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This special report focusses on the escalating tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan following a deadly suicide attack in North Waziristan that killed seven Pakistani soldierS.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching the NewsTrack. I'm Gaurav Sawant.
00:03There's massive escalation in Pakistan-Afghanistan tensions,
00:06not just along the 2,600-kilometre-long Durand line,
00:10but also in the Khaybar-Pakhtoonghua region inside Pakistan.
00:15At least seven Pakistan army soldiers have been killed,
00:20more than 13 injured in what Islamabad describes as
00:25coordinated suicide attack inside a Pakistan army garrison in North Waziristan.
00:34The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan has claimed responsibility
00:37for this strike inside Pakistan army garrison.
00:42Pakistan Air Force attack helicopters and fighter jets are in the air.
00:47Clashes are being reported on ground,
00:49and this attack started just hours before Pakistan and Afghan Taliban began
00:54peace talks mediated by Qatar in Doha.
00:58And these are high-level interactions in Doha.
01:00Pakistan army brass meeting, Taliban's defence minister,
01:04Yaqub Mujahid and intelligence chief and other officials.
01:07The aim to prevent not just escalation,
01:11but also retribution strikes by the Taliban.
01:14The 48-hour ceasefire ends later this evening.
01:19Islamabad says Kabul hasn't stopped cross-border attacks.
01:22Kabul has hit back, accusing Pakistan of bombing civilian areas,
01:26and even sheltering Islamic State Khurasan module.
01:31And these are groups that, according to Afghanistan,
01:34are linking up with Lashkar-e-Taiba and Pakistan's ISI
01:37in an attempt to destabilize Afghanistan.
01:40And while Pakistan claims it wants peace and dialogue along the Durand line,
01:45Pakistan's motormout defence minister Khwaja Asif
01:48is already beating war drums on Pakistan television.
01:53He said Pakistan is also geared up for a two-front war.
01:57Asked if he expects India to get involved at a time
02:01when tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan are at an all-time high,
02:05Khwaja Asif's voice, almost shaking, replied,
02:10absolutely, you cannot rule that out.
02:13He went on to say, strategies are being put in place
02:15that Pakistan is prepared for any eventuality,
02:19which clearly is not true,
02:22given the number of body bags and coffins
02:24that are coming back from the Durand line.
02:26It's a two-front war.
02:30As Defence Minister,
02:32have you come to a meeting,
02:33preside, or the Prime Minister?
02:34If this is a situation,
02:35how do we deal with it?
02:38The strategy is not public.
02:40We don't discuss that at this point.
02:43But we are prepared for any eventuality in this regard.
02:48We are prepared for that.
02:49There is absolutely no doubt about it.
02:51We should not have any problem.
02:52India and the United States of America
03:01are in an advanced stage of negotiations
03:03to conclude the trade deal by fall.
03:07The Indian delegation is currently in the United States of America
03:09for talks,
03:10and Union Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal is confident,
03:13saying,
03:14as the fastest-growing large economy in the world,
03:16with 6.6% GDP growth expected this year
03:20and 7.8% last quarter,
03:22India remains the favoured and preferred destination
03:26both for investment and for trade.
03:28He said India has an active dialogue
03:30with the United States of America
03:32and the European Union,
03:33along with Chile, New Zealand, and Oman.
03:36Mukesh Aagi,
03:37President and CEO of the
03:39U.S.-India Strategic Partnership Forum,
03:41joins me to talk about
03:43the trade delegation in the United States,
03:45the challenges,
03:46and the road ahead.
03:48But before that,
03:49let's quickly listen in
03:49to Union Minister Piyush Goyal.
03:54As the fastest-growing large economy in the world,
03:59with 7.8% GDP growth last quarter,
04:056.6% GDP growth expected in this year,
04:09a strong macroeconomic story in India
04:18is helping to shape our global partnerships.
04:24You are all aware we have done FTAs
04:27with many developed nations in the last few years
04:31under Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
04:33We are in active dialogue
04:37with the United States of America,
04:39with the European Union,
04:41with Chile, Peru, New Zealand, Oman,
04:45clearly showing
04:47that India is the favoured and preferred destination
04:53both for investment
04:55and for bilateral trade.
04:57Mukesh Aghi is the President
05:01and Chief Executive Officer
05:03of the U.S.-India Strategic Partnership Forum.
05:05Sir, welcome on India Today.
05:07There is an Indian delegation
05:09currently in the United States
05:10to discuss tariffs.
05:12How do you see U.S.-India trade talks
05:14proceeding right now
05:16at a time when India's
05:18outrightly rejected
05:19U.S. President Donald Trump's claims
05:21that Prime Minister Narendra Modi
05:23had a telephonic conversation with him
05:25and assured him that New Delhi
05:27will stop buying Russian oil?
05:30Well, you have to understand
05:32both are separate issues.
05:35Trade is critical for India,
05:39for job creation, for investment.
05:42And for the U.S.,
05:44Indian goods are very critical
05:45also for that market.
05:47So I think trade agreement
05:49will come to a conclusion,
05:50hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
05:53And as far as India
05:55basically denying Trump's claim
05:57that he had a call
05:59with PM Modi yesterday
06:01and where Prime Minister committed
06:03that he will stop buying Russian oil,
06:05I think you have to understand
06:06that you will see a lot of hyperbole
06:09coming from the president.
06:10And we need to have a thick skin
06:14and not react to it.
06:15And this is more for the opposition in India
06:18because you have to look at
06:20what's good for the country.
06:21And if you start basically playing politics
06:25within domestic environment
06:27where you are targeting the prime minister
06:30by saying that you made a commitment
06:32to the president of the United States,
06:35I think that does not go well
06:37in the international arena.
06:40Okay.
06:41So it's already mid-October.
06:42Are you confident?
06:43Are you hopeful
06:44that a deal may be clinched
06:46by fall, by November?
06:48Because according to you,
06:49what are the major challenges
06:50that still remain?
06:52What are the hurdles right now?
06:55Well, I think the challenge I see
06:58is more of a style,
07:01not of substance,
07:02because both India has gone
07:05way out of its way
07:06to provide a lot of flexibility
07:09on the goods coming in,
07:12on the tariffs,
07:12and also working
07:14on the non-tariff barriers.
07:16I think the challenge is
07:17Trump is looking for headline news
07:19while we are caught up
07:21with nuts and bolts itself.
07:22So we need to look at
07:24what kind of headline news
07:26we can give to the president
07:28so he can move forward.
07:29Because what we have seen since April,
07:32India was one of the first countries
07:33early on when the prime minister
07:35met with the president in February
07:37to be able to conclude the deal.
07:40But every time Trump's people
07:41went back to the president,
07:43he kept on moving the goalpost.
07:45So I believe that
07:48when the prime minister
07:49goes to the ASEAN summit
07:52next week
07:53and there's a sideline meeting
07:54with the president Trump,
07:56they should be able
07:57to wrap up the deal
07:58with some kind of announcement.
08:00So that's the expectations
08:01we have at the moment.
08:02Okay, okay.
08:04I'll come to the headline news
08:06or what can be the headline point
08:08that India can give to the U.S.
08:09in just a moment.
08:10But I want to quote
08:11statistics of the Commerce Ministry.
08:14So India's merchandise exports
08:16to the U.S., for example,
08:17that's declined by 11.93%.
08:20It's declined to $5.46 billion
08:22and that's in the month of September
08:24where these 50% tariffs kicked in.
08:27Imports increased by 11.78%
08:29to about $3.98 billion.
08:30These figures seem to indicate
08:33that the U.S. has become
08:35India's most adversely affected market
08:39since the tariff hives began.
08:41You know, key sectors
08:41that we've spoken about,
08:43textiles, gems and jewelry,
08:45engineering goods, chemicals,
08:47they bear the brunt.
08:47So is there a long-term impact
08:50of this tariff escalation
08:52on U.S.-India relationship?
08:56Absolutely not.
08:58You have to understand
08:59these numbers fluctuates
09:01and obviously the 50% tariff
09:06on Indian goods,
09:07especially on garments
09:08and gems and jewelries,
09:10did get impacted
09:11from an export perspective.
09:13But it is not,
09:14the relationship is not
09:15just only about tariff.
09:17We're looking at U.S. investment
09:19coming into India.
09:20We're looking at U.S. technology
09:21coming into India.
09:22The global capability centers
09:24are going up and up
09:26and 60% are U.S.
09:28So I would say that
09:30the investment momentum
09:31has not slowed down
09:33from U.S. into India
09:34regardless of what percentage
09:36of the tariffs we have.
09:37But more important is
09:38I have talked to roughly
09:3970-plus global CEOs
09:42in the last two months
09:43and not a single one
09:45has made a statement to me
09:46that they will move
09:47their investment out of the country
09:49or they will move
09:49their supply chain
09:50out of the country
09:51from India itself.
09:53I think the commitment
09:54and the leverage of India
09:56stays on for the U.S. CEOs.
09:59Okay.
10:00So on the 8th of October,
10:01Indian-American Congressman
10:02Ro Khanna,
10:03Congressman Deborah Ross,
10:05they led a 19-member delegation
10:09to urge U.S. President Donald Trump
10:12to take immediate steps
10:13to repair the strain ties,
10:15to reverse these tariff policies.
10:17What are the signals,
10:20according to you,
10:20from both sides
10:21to bring temperatures down?
10:23What can you tell us
10:24about back-channel communication
10:26that's happening?
10:26You've talked about CEOs
10:28and their stance,
10:30but the White House?
10:34Absolutely.
10:35I think when the president tweeted
10:37happy birthday greetings
10:39to the prime minister,
10:41that brought the temperature down
10:43and he made a call
10:44to the prime minister.
10:46Since then,
10:47they've talked a couple of times
10:48on multiple issues.
10:50The prime minister
10:50has congratulated the president
10:52on Gaza's success itself.
10:55And then at the moment,
10:56there's a communication going on
10:57to see what India can do
10:59to basically bring a solution
11:01to Ukraine,
11:02Russian war itself.
11:04So I think there are
11:05communication happening.
11:06There are effort
11:07to be happening
11:07between the prime minister
11:09and the president,
11:10and also within
11:12respective ministries here
11:13and also in Washington, D.C.
11:15So I think those things
11:17have not slowed down.
11:18The focus is,
11:20yes,
11:20the White House,
11:22but otherwise,
11:22the rest of the engine
11:23continues to move forward.
11:25Okay.
11:26Okay.
11:27What about the thaw
11:27in India-China relationship?
11:29You know,
11:30Prime Minister Narendra Modi
11:31visited China
11:31after a gap of seven years.
11:33There's resumption
11:34of direct flights
11:35between India and China
11:36after this freeze.
11:39Do you think
11:39the thaw
11:40in India-China relationship
11:42will also impact
11:44India-U.S. relationship?
11:48Well,
11:49when the prime minister
11:50was in SCORE Summit
11:53and there was a picture
11:54which flashed
11:55all across the world,
11:57Prime Minister
11:57along with
11:58President Putin
11:59and President Xi,
12:01it did send a message
12:03to America.
12:05In fact,
12:05people said,
12:06we're asking the question,
12:08who lost India?
12:09And I think
12:10that picture
12:11really alarmed
12:12a lot of people
12:13saying that
12:14we need to
12:15basically rebuild
12:17our effort
12:17and relationship
12:18with India.
12:20So I would say
12:21that there are
12:22efforts being put in
12:23by the State Department,
12:25by the Defense Department
12:26in the U.S.
12:27to ensure
12:27the relationship
12:28does not go
12:30in this way.
12:32But when I look at
12:33in Delhi itself,
12:35the trust factor
12:36has dissipated.
12:38And some people
12:39call this
12:40a 1971 movement
12:41for Indians
12:42itself.
12:43So I would say
12:44the damage
12:44is quite deep
12:47and we need
12:48to work hard
12:48to win that
12:49heart and soul
12:50of the leadership
12:51in India
12:52and we'll have
12:53to keep on
12:53working at that.
12:56Oh, you're
12:57absolutely right
12:57about that.
12:59And one more
12:59reason that may
13:00lead to damage
13:01or at least
13:01there are
13:02fresh concerns
13:03in India
13:03over Trump
13:04administration's
13:05decision to
13:05impose this
13:06$100,000
13:07fee on the
13:08new H-1B
13:09visa applicants.
13:10this think
13:12think tank
13:12GTRI
13:13that suggested
13:14that President
13:15Trump's decision
13:15to significantly
13:16raise the
13:17visa fee
13:17may negatively
13:18impact
13:19U.S.
13:20ties more
13:21than with
13:21India
13:22and it may
13:22adversely
13:23impact the
13:23U.S.
13:24more.
13:25There are
13:25those who
13:25are going
13:26to court.
13:27So in
13:27your view,
13:28who stands
13:29to lose
13:30and is this
13:31a blessing
13:31in disguise
13:32for India?
13:32Well, the
13:35H-1B
13:36$100,000
13:37fee
13:38does not
13:40do any
13:40damage
13:41to the
13:42Indian
13:42economy.
13:43You have
13:43to understand
13:44that the
13:45low-end
13:46jobs on
13:47H-1B
13:47which are
13:48being done
13:48in the
13:49U.S.,
13:50they'll
13:50move to
13:50India.
13:51And the
13:52high-end
13:52jobs will
13:54basically
13:55get a much
13:56higher
13:57compensation
13:57structure
13:58itself.
13:58But where
13:59it really
14:00hurts the
14:01U.S.
14:01economy
14:02fee is
14:03the
14:03startups
14:04which can
14:04afford
14:05a $400,000
14:05fee,
14:06the nurses,
14:07the teachers
14:08whose
14:09compensation
14:10are much,
14:10much lower.
14:11So I
14:12would say
14:12that it
14:12does have
14:13an impact
14:14on the
14:15U.S.
14:16ecosystem.
14:17And because
14:18this is only
14:18a one-year
14:19cycle,
14:21if you
14:22want to go
14:23next year
14:23again for
14:23$100,000
14:24fee,
14:25the exterior
14:26order has
14:27to come
14:27out from
14:27the president.
14:28So I
14:29would say
14:29that the
14:29damage is
14:30limited.
14:31And a
14:32lot of
14:32this work
14:32will move
14:33to India.
14:35A lot
14:35of work
14:36will move
14:36to India.
14:37So you
14:38mentioned
14:39this just
14:39a short
14:40while back
14:40that there
14:41should be
14:41some big
14:42headline that
14:44Donald Trump
14:45can walk
14:46away with.
14:46So what
14:47is that
14:47headline that
14:48India and
14:49the United
14:49States could
14:50agree to
14:51that would
14:51give momentum
14:52to the
14:52negotiations
14:53without
14:54compromising
14:55India's
14:56core
14:56concerns,
14:57especially on
14:58agriculture
14:58and
14:59dairy?
15:01Well,
15:02you have
15:03to basically
15:03look at
15:04today the
15:04trade between
15:05two countries
15:06is $200
15:07billion.
15:08And the
15:10February
15:12statement put
15:13out by the
15:13White House
15:14basically
15:15envisaged
15:17to take it
15:18to $500
15:19billion by
15:202030.
15:21and I
15:23think we
15:24need to
15:24look at
15:24a trade
15:25deal which
15:26announces a
15:27trillion dollar
15:28trade between
15:29the two
15:30countries going
15:31forward by
15:312040.
15:32That's a
15:33great headline
15:34news.
15:35Or look at
15:35India has
15:36over 250
15:37Boeing plane
15:38orders.
15:39You talk to
15:39other airlines
15:40in India and
15:41look at how
15:42you can make
15:42that to a
15:43500 Boeing
15:46plane orders.
15:47Or look at
15:48buying a bulk
15:49of $50
15:50billion worth
15:50of energy
15:51from the
15:52U.S.
15:53Or look at
15:53the defense
15:54equipment.
15:54So I think
15:55there are ways
15:56to package
15:56this without
15:58compromising
15:58India's position
15:59and giving
16:00the headline
16:01to the
16:01president.
16:02Okay.
16:03In a recent
16:04interview,
16:04sir,
16:05former U.S.
16:06ambassador
16:06Ram Manwul,
16:07he accused
16:08President Donald
16:09Trump of
16:09destroying decades
16:10of U.S.-India
16:12ties,
16:13perhaps because
16:14of his ego.
16:15He also
16:15alleged that
16:16Trump sought
16:17a Nobel Prize
16:18and Trump
16:19and his
16:19family are
16:20benefiting
16:20from Pakistan
16:22linked money.
16:24Now,
16:24do you believe
16:24the recent
16:25strains in
16:26India-U.S.
16:26relations stem
16:28from President
16:28Trump's personal
16:30or family
16:31business interests?
16:34Well,
16:35you have to
16:36understand
16:37you have
16:39a country,
16:40Pakistan,
16:41whose economy
16:42is in tatters
16:43and its
16:46approach to
16:47basically dealing
16:48with Trump
16:48with Trump
16:48is to give
16:49up whatever
16:50is left,
16:51either buying
16:52cryptocurrency
16:53or giving
16:54a port
16:55or rare minerals
16:56which don't
16:57exist itself.
16:59And that's
16:59a short-term
17:00game.
17:01In the long-term,
17:02that's not
17:03sustainable.
17:04Whereas India
17:05provides a market
17:06opportunity of
17:07an economy which
17:08is $4 trillion,
17:09which will go up
17:10to $10 trillion
17:11in the next few
17:12years itself,
17:13a population
17:14whose spending
17:15power is going
17:15up 15%
17:17annually itself.
17:18And we have
17:18seen the example
17:19of Apple,
17:21which was doing
17:22not much domestic
17:22business in India
17:23a few years ago.
17:25Now its domestic
17:25sales cost
17:26over $8 billion.
17:28So I think
17:29India provides
17:30real market
17:30opportunity to
17:31U.S.
17:32companies.
17:32It provides
17:33real intellectual
17:34engine for its
17:36GCCs.
17:37So India
17:38provides substance,
17:39whereas there's
17:40no substance
17:40coming out from
17:41Pakistan.
17:43Okay.
17:44So Mr.
17:44Aagi,
17:45what gives you
17:45confidence that
17:46between Diwali
17:48and Christmas,
17:49you know,
17:50there'll be a
17:51happy Diwali
17:51and there'll be
17:52Merry Christmas
17:53for U.S.-India
17:54trade ties beyond
17:55the current
17:56challenges?
17:59Absolutely.
18:00I think both
18:01countries have no
18:02choice but to
18:03come to an
18:04agreement so you
18:05can start focusing
18:06on building the
18:07relationship,
18:08start building
18:09employment in
18:10both countries,
18:11investment in
18:12both countries.
18:13And so it does
18:14serve the interests
18:15of the United
18:15States and India
18:17to come to
18:17some kind of
18:18understanding.
18:19You have to
18:19understand it's
18:20not just about
18:21trade deal.
18:22It's about
18:22geopolitics.
18:23It's about
18:24technology.
18:25It's about,
18:26we have 300,000
18:27Indian students
18:28in the U.S.
18:29You have 6 million
18:30Indian Americans
18:31in the U.S.
18:32who are
18:32contributing
18:33substantially to
18:34the domestic
18:34economy.
18:36So I think
18:36the relationship
18:37is not just
18:38a trade deal.
18:39it's much
18:40broader and
18:40deeper and
18:41we will come
18:42to some
18:42understanding
18:43in the near
18:43future.
18:45Okay.
18:46Great.
18:46On that note,
18:47let me wish you,
18:48your family and
18:49your friends,
18:50a very happy
18:51Diwali and
18:52many thanks for
18:53joining me here
18:53on India Today.
18:55Thank you and
18:56a happy Diwali.
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20:32made clear
20:32that this launch
20:33is part of a
20:34larger global
20:36commitment to
20:37ethical partnerships.
20:38We actually
20:39announced yesterday
20:40that this year
20:41we expect to
20:41generate and
20:42pay to publishers
20:43more than
20:44one and a half
20:45billion dollars.
20:46A company I
20:46started in my
20:47parents' house.
20:48The CEO was
20:50also direct
20:51about the
20:51companies that
20:52failed to
20:53honor the
20:54content ecosystem.
20:56I'm not okay
20:57with not sending
20:57traffic to
20:58publishers.
20:59I'm not okay
20:59with not paying
20:59money to
21:00publishers.
21:01I'm not okay
21:01with stealing
21:01content from
21:03publishers.
21:04I don't think
21:04that's okay.
21:05So for me,
21:06I love the
21:07fight.
21:08For the
21:08India Today
21:09group, the
21:09core of the
21:10challenge and
21:11opportunity is to
21:13quickly adapt to
21:14consumers, building
21:15new habits and
21:17giving them a
21:18search capability
21:18that's more
21:20intuitive.
21:21Adam Singolda
21:22praised the media
21:23group's pioneering
21:24culture.
21:26With India Today
21:26and Tabula, we're
21:27so lucky because
21:28you love change.
21:29Yeah, we love
21:30innovation.
21:32You're not afraid
21:32of making a
21:33mistake, which is
21:34the most important
21:35ingredient of
21:36growth.
21:37Why is the
21:38stock market
21:39down?
21:40Well, there's
21:40the tariff news,
21:41but some people
21:42think it can also
21:42be weak earnings
21:43from tech stocks
21:44and rising bond
21:45yields.
21:45Deeper Dive
21:46addresses a
21:47critical, unmet
21:48need.
21:49It's not just a
21:50tool for readers,
21:52but a feedback
21:53loop that informs
21:54newsroom strategy.
21:56And that's a
21:57really great learning
21:58back as a full
22:00circle to our
22:01editors to say...
22:02The queries.
22:03Yeah, the queries.
22:03Like, what are
22:04people searching for
22:05that we're not
22:05getting right?
22:06Why is this not
22:06on our homepage?
22:08Why didn't we
22:08upfront this on the
22:09headline?
22:10Et cetera.
22:10I think that'll be
22:11really good learning
22:12for us, right?
22:13I mean, it's
22:13fascinating to get
22:14front seat to this
22:16raw data of consumers
22:17and what they
22:17actually want to know.
22:18Yeah.
22:19This new AI engine
22:21creates what the
22:22group calls an AI
22:23sandwich, where the
22:25machine provides the
22:26instant answer, but the
22:28human-verified journalism
22:30provides the conviction.
22:33The consumer always
22:34returns to the
22:36content they trust.
22:38The desire for a
22:39human-verified,
22:41editorial-driven
22:42point of view is
22:44going to be like
22:44organic food.
22:45You know, we're
22:45going to need it like
22:46humans need healthy
22:47food.
22:48Yeah.
22:48The launch
22:49concluded on an
22:50unexpectedly high note
22:52with the CEO
22:53dedicating a performance
22:55to the spirit of
22:56their partnership and
22:58shared innovative
22:58situation.
22:59Oh, wow.
23:00I know this song.
23:03You know it?
23:04Yes.
23:05Te reja sa yaar kahaan.
23:11Adam plays the
23:12piano, smiles and
23:14accepts applause.
23:17Wow.
23:18Friendships that are
23:19going to be written
23:20about for ages to
23:22come.
23:22You see?
23:23Our legacy.
23:24All other partners,
23:25please be warned.
23:27This is the
23:28standard.
23:28This is the standard
23:29that Tabula is
23:30setting.
23:32Yeah.
23:32So thank you so much
23:33again for Deeper Dive,
23:34for your friendship,
23:35for having us.
23:36You're the best.
23:36Thank you very much.
23:37Aplausal.
23:51Thanks.
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