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Cyndi Lauper and Gracie Abrams meet for the very first time as part of Rolling Stone's seventh annual Musicians on Musicians series.
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00:00You gotta understand when you're gonna start standing there and dig your heels into the ground
00:04I'm gonna outlive you and even when I die, I'm coming for you and you will never sleep again
00:12I'm sorry, I just wanted her to hear this
00:30That's incredible, thank you
00:45So you gotta listen, get the album and listen, her poetry
00:49She is different, but you know, if you think generationally, right?
00:55So I love music history, I love history
01:00Because I always figure, you know where you came from, you know where you're going
01:06Right?
01:08So our history and what we were taught as kids
01:13Like, when I was growing up, you know, like women didn't go to college
01:19And if you did go to college, it wasn't really to learn anything, it was to get married
01:24As women started changing and the women's movement and women became educated
01:30I always laugh when I hear a 30-something-year-old woman say, ah, I'm not a feminist
01:37And she's a lawyer
01:39And I just start giggling like, well, you went to law school? Really?
01:45Because you wouldn't have gone to law school without the feminists
01:49Because they fought for civil rights
01:53And civil rights should be afforded to human beings
01:59Dignity
01:59Right?
02:00Yeah
02:00Right? Fundamental rights
02:02Yeah
02:02I just thought when I heard Death Wish and I heard What You Were Singing
02:08I thought to myself, okay, she's gotta hear Rick and Lee Jones
02:15If I were to ever hear that song out in the world, I would want to leave wherever I was to go write
02:21Yeah
02:21You said it best, but the poetry in that is, that piece alone is
02:26Pretty good
02:27Makes you want to beat everything you've ever done, you know?
02:31I'm still trying to beat anything
02:33You know, it just, for me, I don't know what the hell I am
02:39Because mostly, I'm a singer
02:42Because I worked on my voice for 45 years
02:47In the 80s, the women singers, they weren't
02:53Well, they would categorize us, let's put it that way
02:55What were the categories?
02:57So if you didn't have a strong voice, you were a writer
02:59Yeah
03:00But if you wanted to write and you had a strong voice, well, that was a problem
03:03Because there's so many writers that can't sing and you could sing it for them
03:07And I used to feel like, yeah, give me a lobotomy and I'll just do anything you say
03:11I don't just hear it, I see it
03:15I want to perform it a certain way
03:18Yeah
03:19You know, I want to mix art with it
03:22When I heard that song, I heard, when you said, I know it won't work
03:26You hear, heard you keep the extra closet empty
03:33In case this year, I come back and stay throughout my 20s
03:41I started crying
03:43What?
03:44Don't say that to me
03:45Because...
03:46I mean, what'd you write about, your mother?
03:49Or your father?
03:50Because we're the ones that keep the ghost rooms
03:53And the pictures
03:54And the, you know, the baby teeth
03:57Yeah
03:58And all that
03:59Yeah, I can't believe that you even would
04:01I can't believe you listened to any of the music
04:03I know, I know, I know
04:04We're sitting here together
04:05I listen to all of it
04:06Just having grown up with your voice in the house
04:10Loud, I know, sorry
04:11Loud, thank God
04:12Like, thank God, though
04:13But there was such power in the air
04:16When your music was in the room
04:18It was my mom playing your, just everything
04:22You know, it's like, you don't
04:23You know when you grow up with something
04:25And you just don't remember existing before?
04:27It was like a fabric
04:28Part of the fabric of growing up
04:30For me
04:32I think it's a funny thing
04:34The way that all this stuff works
04:35Where it's like
04:35I didn't know you personally before today
04:38But being able to even have an up-close seat
04:41For ten minutes
04:42To the way that your brain works
04:45Is so
04:46It's a little weird
04:47But it's okay
04:47It's like a
04:48It's the most refreshing thing to be around
04:51And also feels like, of course, you've had
04:54The career that you've had
04:56Because you're the one making these decisions
05:00Across the board
05:01And it, to me, I don't know if you
05:03I had to fight
05:04But that's
05:05But it feels like that
05:06Like, and that
05:07I'm scrappy
05:08But thank God
05:09Like, thank God
05:10I don't know
05:11I feel so grateful as a young
05:14The people that worked for me
05:16Yeah
05:16That not worked for me
05:18But, like, the record company
05:19Yeah
05:20Yeah, they kind of wished I wasn't that way
05:23Really?
05:24Oh
05:24But that's what
05:25That's a voice
05:26That's like
05:27You would think that
05:28I mean, I get what you mean
05:29No, they just wanted to have a hit
05:31Yeah, well
05:32And I wanted to have
05:33A song that meant something
05:36And a song that could inspire people
05:39I mean, I grew up in the civil rights movement
05:42Yeah
05:42And the women's movement
05:44Yeah
05:44I just kept going
05:46I mean, at one point
05:47I had to eat a lot of dirt
05:49And just felt like, okay
05:51If this is what I gotta do
05:53It ain't gonna change me
05:55I was in it with all these men
05:57Yeah
05:58There was no women
05:59To explain anything
06:02Or feel any kind of camaraderie
06:05And then the women that you saw
06:07Like, you couldn't really hang out with them
06:10Or, you know, Joanie
06:11Joan Jepp
06:12Her management was so, like
06:15You know, like
06:16If you went to the ladies' room together
06:19They were right there
06:21And I'm like, whoa
06:22What are you gonna come in with us?
06:24What do you think's gonna happen here?
06:26You know, so
06:27But it was like that
06:30Even me
06:30I was isolated
06:32I think it's interesting
06:33I feel like
06:34I don't know if it's
06:35Due to social media
06:37And just access to everyone all the time
06:40Where, like, I do feel like
06:42The sort of community of female artists
06:45All seem to know each other
06:48Well, it's different now
06:49Right
06:49And all have a point of reference, I guess
06:51For, like, treatment as well
06:53Within the industry
06:54But you never felt like that existed
06:55Are you kidding?
06:57Yeah
06:57You'd go in
06:58The head guy'd be staring at your tits
07:00And smiling at you
07:02And you'd be like
07:03Really?
07:04And then you'd tell somebody
07:05And say, well, maybe they thought
07:06Your tits looked good
07:07And be like
07:08Okay
07:09You know, I just
07:11Plowed through best I could
07:13I worked most of the time
07:15When everybody was having fun
07:16I was warming up my voice
07:18I was warming down my voice
07:19I was trying to do the exercise
07:20I was trying to
07:21Because I wanted to hold on to my voice
07:23And I did
07:24It seems like
07:25In everything that you've ever touched
07:27It's every single detail
07:30Across the board
07:31Is being considered, like
07:32The best quality sound
07:34The best lyrics
07:35The best video
07:36Don't you?
07:37I mean, yes, but I just feel
07:38You said you write
07:39I looked at your stuff
07:40You know
07:41Mindless person going in there
07:43Going, okay, I'll just play it
07:45Bye
07:45No, of course
07:46But I think it's like
07:47Because that's true
07:48I think I look on
07:49Everything you've ever touched
07:50I adored it
07:52Before I understood
07:52What you meant
07:53But do you know what I mean?
07:54And then the more
07:55You grow into being
07:56A woman, period
07:58The more you understand
07:59The significance of it
08:00Well, I try
08:01In the culture
08:02Like
08:02In the culture
08:03In the culture
08:04That's the thing
08:04But that's art, Hans
08:06I like the rhythm
08:07Of what you were doing
08:08In your songs
08:10You know
08:11In the rapid speech
08:13And then
08:14Yeah, I like fitting things in
08:14I like that
08:15Yeah
08:15I think that's great
08:17Sometimes
08:26You write something
08:28You're like
08:28Wow
08:29Look at what we did
08:31Genius
08:31And then the next day
08:33You listen to it
08:33And go
08:34What the heck
08:35Were you thinking?
08:36Oh my god
08:37You know
08:37Yeah
08:38It's always like that
08:39But ain't that what we do?
08:41Did you ever think that
08:42You wouldn't be able
08:43To write a song again?
08:44Did you ever feel
08:45All the time
08:46You do
08:46I suck
08:47I know I suck
08:49That's crazy
08:49And then I feel like
08:50Okay
08:51Get the stuff out
08:52That sucks
08:53And move on
08:54Come on
08:54It's three or four chords
08:56How bad can it be
08:57You'll find it
08:58How do you feel
08:59Being off tour now
09:01We just finished
09:02A week ago as well
09:04And it's been like
09:05A four year
09:05Straight run
09:06Pretty much
09:07That's hard hun
09:08How many days a week?
09:09Well I mean
09:09But I'm saying it
09:10Because in the context
09:11Of the years of touring
09:13You've done
09:14It's like
09:14You're only twenty something
09:15Right?
09:16Yeah
09:16But the first time
09:16It's a little shocking
09:17Ain't it?
09:18The whole thing
09:19Is constantly
09:19I also find
09:20The kind of
09:21Dopamine hit
09:22Piece of it all
09:23Interesting to contend with
09:25When you stop
09:26For even
09:26Two days
09:27No
09:27When I stop
09:28My ribs
09:29Like this weekend
09:30I felt my ribs go
09:32Because do you feel
09:34Restless
09:34Or do you feel
09:35Like
09:35What is it
09:36The actual
09:37I felt my ribs
09:38Actually go
09:39Wow
09:40Because you're not
09:41Breathing
09:41I lay down
09:42Like a sloth
09:43Thinking
09:44Okay
09:44I'm just gonna do
09:45Nothing
09:46And the amount
09:48Of running
09:49And breathing
09:50And those songs
09:51That I was
09:52Attempting
09:53Were
09:54Yeah but
09:55Listen
09:56A lot of times
09:57I'm like
09:57Oh come on
09:58What are you gonna do
09:59Just sing like a fire
10:00Breathing dragon
10:01What are you doing
10:02So you try and switch it up
10:03Yeah
10:03But
10:04First of all
10:06I like tempo
10:06I was gonna ask you about that
10:08I still
10:08She's so unusual
10:09Just because that
10:10Well just
10:11The rhythm in that
10:12Like it is
10:13Got to
10:14My
10:14Greatest
10:15You know
10:17Take away from touring
10:18Especially over the past year
10:20Because I was feeling
10:21Kind of existential about it
10:22Right after the election
10:23In January
10:24And
10:25Everything was on fire
10:26You know what
10:27People needed a place
10:29To go
10:29That's the thing
10:30That's the thing
10:30I think sometimes
10:31It turns out
10:32That the highest
10:33Best and highest
10:34Use of like
10:35My being here
10:37On this planet
10:38At all
10:38Is
10:39For the two hours
10:41A night
10:42That people feel
10:43They can come
10:44And have some place
10:46To at the very least
10:47Be around strangers
10:49Who are expressing
10:50Anything loudly
10:51Like that
10:52We don't even get
10:53Really these days
10:54You know
10:54Community
10:55I appeal to you
10:57Pass it on
10:58Because you're
10:59A young artist
11:00You're speaking
11:01To 20 something
11:02Year olds
11:02It's important
11:04To inspire
11:05To share a story
11:07To understand
11:09How to move forward
11:11To be able to remember
11:13Where you came from
11:14On the way
11:16To who you're
11:17Going to become
11:18That's really right on
11:19Yeah right
11:20Yeah
11:20I was listening to you
11:22Do an interview
11:23And I just appreciated
11:25So much what you were
11:26Talking about
11:26About the quality
11:27Of your shows
11:28Just that everybody
11:29Leaves
11:30Happy
11:31Well that's important
11:32But it is so important
11:33Because I do think
11:34It's like
11:34To have a
11:36You know
11:37To be reminded
11:38Of what it feels like
11:40To be warm
11:41To be happy
11:42Just to be
11:44Held by each other
11:45It's a kind of
11:46Strength
11:47That not many people
11:49Maybe would be able
11:51To find without
11:52Your voice actually
11:53Yeah
11:54Well it's
11:55Taking us all off
11:56To like
11:57It's a lot of good
11:58A lot of voices out there
11:59Singing's very important
12:00Right now
12:01Yeah
12:01I was thinking
12:02On the drive here
12:03About your first album
12:05Being what it is
12:07And I wanted to just
12:09Ask you
12:10You know like
12:11What was the period
12:13Of time between
12:14Releasing that album
12:15And your world
12:17Flipping
12:17Well
12:19Because like
12:21Those songs are all
12:22Like
12:22Every single song
12:24Is an iconic
12:24Anthem
12:26It was supposed to be
12:27I was in a group
12:28Blue Angel
12:29We were developing
12:30But then they wanted me
12:32To be this
12:33Crooner
12:34And I didn't
12:36Want to do that
12:37They said
12:38We're going to make you
12:38The next Barbara Streisand
12:40And I was like
12:41One year together
12:43Two
12:43Really
12:44And that didn't mean
12:47All aspects of Barbara Streisand
12:50No but you're a different person
12:52They always want to make you
12:53Some better
12:53Of course
12:53Of course
12:54Because there's like
12:54References of like
12:55Something that's worked before
12:57So people
12:57Suits feel comfortable
12:59With the formula
12:59Nobody wants to be first
13:01Of course
13:01They want to be second
13:02They just wanted me to
13:04Sing
13:05Certain songs
13:06That she sang
13:07Yeah exactly
13:07And like her
13:09And then
13:10They were going to put
13:11These people around me
13:13Not like her
13:14Because she was her producer
13:16Right
13:16They were going to
13:17You know
13:18So I just didn't want
13:19The whole
13:20You know
13:21Svengali thing
13:22Blue Angel fell apart
13:24Because of that
13:25They were going to
13:26Starve us out
13:27What they didn't realize
13:29Was you know
13:30I'm Sicilian
13:31I was raised
13:31By Sicilian people
13:33I'm half Sicilian
13:34And you know
13:35Mostly you learn endurance
13:37Right
13:39So you got to understand
13:40When you're going to
13:41Start standing there
13:42And dig your heels
13:43Into the ground
13:44I'm going to
13:45Outlive you
13:46And even when I die
13:48I'm coming for you
13:49And you will never
13:50Sleep again
13:52But that's
13:53Of course
13:54I'm working on
13:55That aspect of myself
13:56That's pretty epic
13:56So that I don't
13:58Really think like that
14:00I do
14:00You know
14:01I always do the
14:02Malot care
14:02But I don't mean to
14:04I'm trying really hard
14:05To change
14:06What about you?
14:07Like what was the
14:08First song you wrote?
14:10The songs that I was
14:11Writing at home
14:13Kind of
14:13I felt like the theme
14:15Was always about
14:16Feeling a little bit
14:17Stuck
14:18And not really knowing
14:19How to articulate
14:20That to other people
14:21So I felt like
14:22Generally better
14:24When I would
14:25Not verbalize
14:27To another person
14:28But instead
14:28Just write
14:29Right
14:29Right
14:30You know
14:30A lot of the songs
14:31That I felt
14:32Drawn to
14:33When I was younger
14:34I felt like there
14:35Was always
14:35In it
14:36Some kind of
14:37Tension between
14:38Like place
14:39If that makes sense
14:40Like I felt
14:41Like um
14:42I don't know
14:43Like River
14:43By Joni
14:45Is a great example
14:45Like that song
14:46To me
14:47What?
14:48Some song
14:49I know
14:49You know
14:50Like that to me
14:51Felt like
14:52North Star
14:52And North Star
14:54Way to articulate
14:55A desperation
14:57To get somewhere
14:59I'm in today
15:00An interesting place
15:01Mentally
15:02Like psychologically
15:02Sort of about it all
15:03Where I think
15:04Hearing you talk about
15:05The whole point
15:06Of writing
15:07Reflecting
15:08The world
15:09That we're living in
15:10I'm like
15:11I feel
15:11Called
15:12More
15:13Than ever
15:14That's what I'm
15:15Writing about these days
15:16That's what I find myself
15:17Writing about these days
15:18Just do it sneaky
15:19Tell a story
15:21I do feel like
15:22Sometimes there's
15:22A trance-like state
15:23Where it's almost
15:24Like you black out
15:24For a second
15:25And then come back
15:26And the song's there
15:26Which is bizarre
15:27But I love that feeling
15:28That is like
15:29The drug
15:30Kind of addictive
15:31Yeah
15:31It's the drug
15:32And then when there's
15:34Space between
15:35Experiencing it
15:36I always get into
15:37This cycle
15:37Where I'm like
15:37I feel like
15:38I'm never ever ever
15:39Or like I did this
15:39You know
15:40Never gonna be able
15:41To get back to that thing
15:42Which is
15:43Always
15:43You always feel like that
15:44Yeah exactly
15:45Your father was an artist
15:46And your mother
15:48Was a
15:49Cindy fan
15:49Okay
15:50Yeah
15:50But I'm sorry
15:51About that
15:52And that's the entire identity
15:52No it's not
15:54So what happened
15:55I was very private
15:56About the fact
15:56That I was playing music
15:58As in anytime I heard
15:59Somebody
16:00You didn't perform
16:00For your parents
16:01No never
16:02Oh my god
16:03You're kidding me
16:04No no no
16:04I wanted nothing
16:05To do with
16:07Any of that
16:08That
16:08You didn't
16:09You had the break
16:10I just felt like
16:12My body shut down
16:14If I was playing
16:15Or singing
16:16Something I wrote
16:17And I would hear
16:18Someone walk by
16:19I would stop
16:20Because
16:20It felt like
16:22The opposite
16:23Of what I know it
16:25To be powerful for now
16:27Which is the invitation
16:29For just people
16:30To be connected
16:32To something
16:33Period
16:33Obviously I wasn't
16:34Thinking like that
16:34At all
16:34I was thinking
16:35Selfishly
16:36This is something
16:37That makes me feel better
16:38It makes me feel
16:39Like I can process
16:40The stuff in my head
16:41But it's not
16:41For anyone else
16:42Wow
16:43So that was
16:44An interesting
16:45That is
16:46Because now
16:47You're a performer
16:48Yeah
16:48But it was so scary
16:50And I loved being wrong
16:51About it
16:52Like because
16:52You know
16:53I was up
16:54The night before
16:54I never played a show
16:55Ever prior to COVID
16:57So after the pandemic
16:59Was the first show
17:00I ever played
17:01And the night before
17:02I was awake
17:03The whole night
17:05Throwing up
17:05Because I was so
17:06Anxious about it
17:07Like so scared
17:08And then I was just
17:09Immediately wrong
17:10Because it's
17:11It's fun
17:12Fun
17:12It's like fun
17:20And you actually
17:21Get to feel
17:22You know
17:22I felt very filled up
17:23By the fact
17:25That you know
17:26Other people
17:26Are having a good time
17:27And where'd you go
17:28Where'd you perform
17:29At
17:30In Orange County
17:32At the observatory
17:33It was like
17:33A hundred people
17:34It was tiny
17:34It was just
17:35No
17:35It was the tiny
17:36But the observatory
17:37That's pretty cool
17:38The whole thing
17:39Was all very cool
17:40I wore a gray dress
17:42And I wore a blue converse
17:44And I
17:45Didn't brush my hair
17:47And it was
17:49Was that like
17:50A big fuck you
17:51I think it was
17:53I was so
17:54Paralyzed with fear
17:55That I didn't quite
17:56Consider all these parts
17:57But it was
17:58Oh because you were
17:59A little grunge there
18:00You did a whole grunge thing
18:01I suppose
18:02I suppose
18:02I suppose
18:02Maybe not so consciously
18:04I was just like
18:05What's something I wear
18:06Yeah but cool
18:07On a daily basis
18:09Are you big into poetry?
18:11Do you read
18:12Much of it?
18:12I was
18:13Okay
18:14As a young person
18:16And then fame
18:18And all the different hats
18:19And jobs came
18:20And now I miss it
18:21Yeah
18:22I miss
18:22I miss everything
18:24I miss being able
18:26To just
18:26Take a pause
18:28And
18:29Right
18:29No I got some tattoos
18:31Right
18:31And I was gonna get
18:32Pause
18:33Here
18:34P-A-U-S-E
18:35So I would remember
18:36To pause
18:37Before I say anything
18:38I'm just curious about
18:40Like
18:41Your first hit
18:42What was the first hit?
18:44I have one song
18:45That I think
18:46Would fall under that category
18:48And it
18:49Won
18:49Yeah
18:50You have a few
18:50Well there's one
18:52There's one song
18:53That I wrote
18:54With my
18:54Friend Audrey
18:55Who
18:56Is such a
18:58Such a
18:58Smart writer
18:59Now I saw her
19:00With you on stage
19:01She's so smart
19:02But
19:03It's a song that
19:05To us in real time
19:06Kind of felt like a
19:07Bit of a joke
19:09There is something about
19:10Just the joy of doing it
19:11That made it all
19:12Feel
19:14Well it's rhythmic
19:15Yeah
19:15Totally
19:16Totally
19:17But I think
19:18I hadn't really
19:19You know
19:19Working with
19:20Her
19:21Was a surprise
19:21For our friendship
19:22Because we didn't know
19:23That we would
19:23Do that
19:24You know
19:24Ever together
19:25It just kind of
19:26Came about
19:26How'd you start
19:27To lyric
19:27Did you start
19:28You started the melody
19:29First right
19:30For that song
19:31We had melody first
19:32But we'd start lyric
19:33First sometimes
19:34With songs
19:34But that one
19:35Just you know
19:36I think the way
19:36That like
19:37Virality
19:38Works sometimes
19:40These days
19:40Like people on the
19:41Internet
19:41Will pick a
19:42Just chunk of a song
19:43And then run with it
19:44You know what I mean
19:44In a way that
19:45What do you mean
19:46Wait
19:47What are you talking about
19:48Like
19:48Run with it
19:50Where are you going
19:50With your song
19:51What are you talking about
19:52Taking it far
19:53I know that they
19:55You know
19:55That like
19:55You know
19:56I think
19:56The way that TikTok
19:57Has influenced
19:58That hamster wheel piece
20:00For people
20:00Well I watch TikTok
20:02I used to watch
20:02Nona Pia
20:03Who's that
20:04Um she's
20:06And it was a grandma
20:07Who made
20:08Like Italian food
20:10That's really great
20:11That's a good algorithm
20:13And meatballs
20:13And
20:13Damn
20:14And artichokes
20:16Would you follow the
20:17Yes
20:17You would do them
20:18Of course
20:19So do you cook a lot
20:20I only have time
20:20I like to cook
20:21You know
20:22I can make you ravios
20:23And a nice sauce
20:24To go with that
20:25Or you know
20:26If you're not
20:27Writing a song
20:29Or if you're not
20:29On tour
20:30What's
20:30I clean
20:31You clean
20:32I clean the house
20:33And while I'm cleaning
20:34All this stuff comes to me
20:36Because
20:36I don't know why
20:38Because you're in motion
20:39Same thing like
20:40When my mother used to say
20:42To please clean up the room
20:43Yeah
20:44And then I'd sit down
20:45And play guitar
20:45You know
20:46She used to get so frustrated
20:47Because I had the Beatle pictures
20:49All around
20:50Each one
20:51On each wall
20:52One time
20:54She was so frustrated
20:55She came in
20:56And she said
20:56I want you
20:57And all your friends
20:59To clean this room
21:00I'm up right now
21:00That's incredible
21:02I drove a crazy little bit
21:04Oh god
21:04When you were saying earlier
21:05You said that you're
21:06Currently trying to write a song
21:08For someone
21:09Is
21:10How does that go down?
21:11You know
21:11I've been doing this stuff
21:13For shows
21:13Yeah
21:14And
21:15It's easier
21:17And it's harder
21:19Because
21:21It's never going to be
21:22Your voice
21:23So you got to find out
21:25What the hell their jam is
21:26Yeah
21:26Totally
21:27Totally
21:27And then you got to find out
21:29What register
21:30They sing it
21:30And then
21:31You know
21:32You kind of got to make it sound
21:34Like it came out of their head
21:35And then if you work on a character
21:37And then they get a new person
21:39Come in
21:40And then
21:40It's interesting
21:42I mean
21:43Kinky Boots was different
21:44How long did that take?
21:46This is another
21:46Kinky Boots
21:47Started in 2008
21:50When I came home
21:51And it opened 2013
21:54It was kind of quick
21:55Yeah
21:56This one's been
21:57Really?
21:59At least 10 years
22:00Wow
22:01The project is worth it
22:03Because it's worth
22:05Examining
22:08The history
22:10Of it
22:11And where we are now
22:12Is it
22:13It's secret?
22:14No
22:14It's a working girl
22:16It's the musical
22:18Habitation of working girl
22:20That's going to be
22:21It's funny
22:22Some of it's very funny
22:23That's going to be
22:24So unbelievable
22:26When it's out
22:27In the world
22:28I hope so
22:28When
22:29Yeah
22:29When it's out in the world
22:30It's going to La Jolla now
22:31We'll see
22:32It's going to be put up
22:34So then you really get to
22:35Look at it
22:36But you know
22:37What works in La Jolla
22:39Might not work in New York
22:40Which is a proven thing
22:42But
22:43At least you get to see it
22:45Totally
22:46You know
22:46Yeah
22:46Anyway it'll be fine
22:48I'll just keep working
22:50Until it's right
22:50I feel that way
22:51The older I get
22:53More and more
22:54Grateful to
22:55The fact that I
22:57You know
22:57Was raised in a house
22:58Where your music was playing
22:59Like now separately
23:00As you know
23:01My own person
23:02And the life that I
23:03All my experiences
23:04I'm like
23:05Able to apply your songs
23:06To personal experiences
23:08Whereas before
23:08I think the reason
23:09Obviously that my mom
23:10So drawn to your music
23:12Is because she had a lifetime
23:12Of instances
23:14Where you soundtracked
23:16But
23:16I'm surprised you weren't
23:17Dancing around
23:18I was very shy
23:20Yeah
23:21Yeah
23:22I'm working through
23:23All of this still
23:24Which maybe
23:25Is felt
23:26But I definitely
23:27Feel like
23:28Horizons
23:30It's
23:31Like
23:32It's broadened
23:33A bit
23:33The more
23:34That I
23:34You've been out
23:35On tour
23:36For two years
23:37Four years
23:37So you learned
23:38Four years
23:39Yeah
23:39Holy cow
23:40Yeah
23:41But I
23:42But I
23:42I haven't
23:43Really like
23:43I think
23:44I'm really
23:46Curious
23:47To
23:48Now that the album
23:49Cycle
23:50Is over
23:50The next album
23:53Isn't made
23:54I don't know
23:55What I want
23:56To say yet
23:56I feel really
23:57Well take a breath
23:58That's it
23:59That's it
23:59But it's
23:59Really
24:00Wild
24:01To hear you
24:02Talk about
24:02The way
24:03That you
24:04Just approach
24:04All of
24:05What you do
24:06Because I think
24:06That there's such
24:07Like conviction
24:09In everything
24:10And I'm like
24:10That's the piece
24:11That I understand
24:12Is
24:12What you're saying
24:14Artists are important for
24:15What you're saying
24:15Singing is important for
24:16It's like
24:17Actually having something
24:18To say
24:19Not just making noise
24:19For the sake of making noise
24:21Yeah but you're not doing that
24:22Well I just
24:23That's the
24:23Yeah I hope not
24:25No you're not
24:26Yeah
24:26Listen
24:27The
24:28The
24:29The song that you had
24:32The
24:33The music first
24:36And then you
24:37You sang
24:38The
24:39The repetitiveness
24:41And the
24:42Rhythm of those words
24:44That's really hard to do
24:46And it's really
24:47It was terrific
24:48Thank you
24:48And I think that
24:49That's what
24:5020 something year olds
24:52Because 20 is different
24:53And you got your whole life now
24:56It's going to be really great
24:58And it's
24:58You're going to make it
24:59You're going to write the book
25:01Yeah
25:02Yeah
25:02I just think it's
25:03You know
25:04There's so much noise
25:06Out in the world right now
25:08So what
25:08So I think
25:10It feels
25:11Extra important
25:13To do the listening
25:14You're talking about
25:15And to actually reference
25:17The way that
25:19Someone like you
25:21For example
25:21Has
25:22Always been saying
25:25Something real
25:26Like you're just
25:27Always saying something
25:28That I think
25:29Is
25:30Needs to be heard
25:31Wasn't there a song
25:32That you sang
25:33Growing up
25:34That made you feel better
25:35When everything fell apart
25:36Yeah
25:37Well
25:37Yeah
25:38Right
25:38You're a hero
25:40Thank you so much
25:41For allowing me to
25:43No
25:43Do you live in New York?
25:45Yeah
25:46Me too
25:46Should we make some
25:48Dinner sometime?
25:49I'll bring you some poetry
25:50You might like
25:51To be true
25:51Yeah
25:52Yeah
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