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Cold Case Season 1 Episode 2
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00:00finds a body in a ditch they call police and it's ascertained that this body is emma
00:07a murder investigation was set up which consisted of about 50 detectives the police were taking this
00:13seriously they were putting the resources in to try and solve it as quickly as possible
00:19police are now under tremendous pressure they are desperate to get this dangerous man off the streets
00:24he was frightening he was terrified this man is a stalker he's aggressive
00:32the hunt for the killer of emma caldwell would become one of the longest running cold cases in
00:37recent history leaving the glasgow community terrified and vulnerable women in that area
00:44were terrified of encountering him they're terrified of going out onto the streets because
00:48of this vicious individual this is just someone who is violent towards women who wants his way with
00:56them a full 13 years passed before the cold case file is reopened emma's family are desperate for
01:07news desperate to find the monster that killed their daughter the police they're able to identify
01:13the man that they believe is a suspect in this investigation they believe that he is emma's killer
01:22and this time they're going to get him
01:43emma caldwell who was born in 1978 and was reported to have a very happy childhood
01:58emma caldwell grew up in a loving family great parents who doted on her but her life dramatically
02:04changed just as she was reaching adulthood when her beloved older sister karen sadly died aged 31
02:11emma who had previously been doing really well at school going to horse riding lessons and she
02:19was heavily involved in looking after animals in the local area very outdoorsy very caring
02:25but this had a catastrophic impact on her unfortunately at the time a boyfriend that she
02:30was seeing said i know a way that you can treat your grief here's something that you can try and that
02:36something to try was unfortunately heroin and that set her on a course which had a catastrophic impact
02:43on her life she moves to glasgow to have better access to these drugs and quickly her life spirals
02:53she ends up living in the inglefield hostel which is a women's only hostel
02:57heroin is a massively destructive drug once they try it they very much want to try and recreate the
03:09high that they get from heroin every time they try it which means that each high has to be sooner
03:16and they have to take more to reach the high they had before and it's obviously expensive so they have
03:21to fund this habit unbeknown to her parents and unbeknown to her family tragically at this point emma
03:28begins to support her drug addiction with sex work i was a detective and i suppose a semi-rural area i
03:38worked in dumbarton on the book book inquiries that's what your day-to-day jobs you know thefts
03:45minor assaults serious assaults some occasionally models but i hadn't worked on a
03:49and murdered as a detective up until that point
03:55going to glasgow it was an eye-opener for me some of the stories the girls would tell you horrendous
04:04all the activities were drugs driven you know they did it because they had to they didn't want to do it
04:13by all accounts a terrible life
04:15it's going off to secluded places so they're exposed to risks of violence rape physical
04:24abuse sexual abuse the girls there were reporting lots of violence they were keeping a book that they
04:31were calling the beware book to warn each other against particularly bad customers meant that they
04:37needed to be on the guard for because it was so dangerous there had been all these murders and attacks
04:45for emma herself she was what i would describe as vulnerable and in probably one of the most
04:51dangerous places that she could be although emma's family is unaware of her lifestyle they remain in
04:59regular contact she's speaking to her mom and dad every single day her parents are visiting her faithfully
05:07at this hostel which must break their heart every time they go there to give her oranges clean clothes
05:12top up a phone card make sure she's got everything they need and also saying to her look whenever you
05:19want to come home please come home we're here for you we'll do anything you need they are there they
05:24are listening and emma who's responded she knows that she's in a bad way and she's looking at getting rehab
05:30treatment at this point
05:34but in april 2005 emma's parents stop hearing from her
05:41it was emma's mom that first became concerned that she hadn't heard from her daughter for some
05:46time which was really really unusual her father had tried to contact her by phone and she hadn't
05:52answered so he'd gone to her hostel and he'd knocked on the door but there was no answer he'd
05:56gone back and told his wife that he'd tried and there was no answer from emma and this was really
06:00out of character for emma so the following day emma's mother went to try and knock on her door as
06:06well so she knocks on the door again no answer she sits outside she hoots a horn for a long time
06:11but emma doesn't appear they were really concerned and they reported her missing
06:16when a person is reported is missing well essentially the police investigation will
06:23consist of is looking for the footprints in life that we all leave behind wherever we go
06:29so that's what they were doing back then for emma looking for the places that she would have
06:34frequented any use of any debit cards credit cards use of a mobile phone all these kind of breadcrumbs
06:41that we leave behind in our everyday life there's one in particular with emma that was really
06:46important to the police investigation and that was the fact that she was prescribed methadone
06:51a drug that is given to heroin users essentially what that means is every day she would have to go to
06:57a chemist and there and then in front of the chemist drink the methadone that's prescribed to her
07:03the fact that she wasn't doing this really then raised concerns because this was what was keeping
07:10it going essentially and the fact that she wasn't getting her prescription really suggested that
07:16something may have happened to her if you're a police officer investigating a missing sex worker
07:22who is also an addict you've got a number of problems first of all generally speaking away from
07:27this case somebody who's an addict will go anywhere they can to get their fix and also sex workers they
07:34don't necessarily want to speak to the police because they might face criminal charges and their client
07:38group also don't want to speak to police because they don't want to face charges and so you have
07:43this whole cloak of silence around a vice industry a vice industry where there's a huge amount of risk
07:49huge amounts of potential for violence uh issues of drugs issues of other problems
07:58when the missing person investigation fails to turn up any initial leads detectives begin checking local cctv
08:05footage the last known footage of emma was cctv from the hostel where she leaves on the 4th of april 2005
08:17and it's about quarter to 11 in the evening and she's seen leaving to go out to start her evening on the
08:22streets the last images of emma that are seen are emma in a short skirt her hair dragged into a bob
08:31walking down the street preparing to get into a car to meet a client that's the last image that we
08:38know definitively that's ever captured over on cctv on sunday the 8th of may which is now five weeks
08:46since emma was last seen there was a terrible discovery
08:50a dog walker is walking in a place called limefield woods beautiful countryside but very remote and
09:02they're about 43 miles away from the center of glasgow they're letting their dog off the lead and
09:08the dog smells something and essentially leads the owner through a dead body
09:15she was in a ditch naked and quite clearly been subjected to some violence they call police and
09:24it's ascertained that this body is emma the missing persons case is now upgraded to a homicide
09:31investigation a violent predator is at large in the city of glasgow and for strathclyde police
09:38the local community is at risk and the clock is ticking on the 8th of may 2005 the body of 27 year
09:56old emma caldwell has just been discovered in the remote area of limefield woods in south lanarkshire
10:0243 miles south of glasgow on finding a body and on calling the police they would attend they would
10:09confirm what the dog walker has found they would then cordon off that area and you would have an
10:14inner cordon and an outer cordon only people that would then enter the crime scene are those that
10:21are wearing what we call full barrier clothing you'd have seen them in the white paper suits and the
10:26masks over shoes and gloves so that when they go into there they're not going to be
10:31interfering in any way with the evidence and they would then be looking for any forensic clues anything
10:38within that crime scene that could give a clue as to who the person is can give a clue as to
10:43how they got there and how they died and also who killed them
10:50one particularly important piece of evidence and that was some cable which was found with the body and
10:57it was kind of charred at one end i never thought anything of it at that point
11:04emma's body was moved to a mortuary in order to carry out a special post-mortem where they'd be
11:09looking to try and establish a cause of death the forensic pathologist was able to establish that
11:14emma had died through strangulation manual strangulation meaning it was done with somebody's hands if you just
11:19think about the mechanics of manual strangulation it's such a personal crime you're up close now
11:27generally it would be someone face to face which means you're looking at someone in the eye as you're
11:32doing it but they were also able to establish that there was some injuries around the neck consistent
11:39with a cord being placed around it it takes a a certain type of mentality to be able to
11:45kill someone in this way having identified the body to be that of 27 year old emma caldwell
11:54police now turn to emma's parents to confirm the news
11:59as a police officer you give people what we call a death message and you have to do it fairly often
12:06but you know it never gets easier a really brutal thing to have to do but it needed to be done face to
12:12face and emma's parents needed to know as quickly as possible emma's family are dealing with the
12:18horrifying grief that they've lost a second daughter and they also didn't know until she went missing
12:27until her body was found that she turned to sex work to pursue her drug habit the police are now under
12:32tremendous pressure as discussed earlier more than one woman tragically has been murdered in this area
12:38and the police have a poor record of finding those who did it
12:45as soon as police realize that emma is in a line of sex workers who have been killed they set up an
12:52operation and they call it operation grail they put excess of 50 police officers onto this operation
12:59and this operation will work day and night to try and find the killer
13:03there's concern that this killer obviously might strike again and there's a scramble to gather all of
13:11the shards and bits of information there's a public appeal tv shows tv news are running every single
13:18piece of information there's press outside the poor family's house the young lady's image is beamed on a
13:25huge building in the town center so absolutely everybody can see emma's face and so everybody
13:32knows this girl everybody knows what happened to her nobody knows how and so the police are scrambling
13:39around trying to interview people that might have booked her services as a sex worker speak to people
13:44that lived in the hostel with her people that might have worked with her known her and it's very
13:49difficult to know exactly who she might have seen or been in contact with in the hours leading up to her
13:54death detectives take in excess of 8 000 statements and it's not long before a suspect begins to emerge
14:02in this case there was a girl called kellyann she had information about a guy who seemed kind of obsessed
14:13by emma she recalled one incident that this guy approached in the van and emma's immediate
14:22reaction was oh no not him i don't want to go with him but anyway the guy get out and she did go with
14:29him the billboards i believe there were some bushes and emma came out screaming and crying shouting he raped me
14:36he had traumatized emma because of this appalling public attack not only that as emma desperately
14:47tried to get money to feed her drug habit he also scared off any other men that might try and pay for
14:54emma's services other men would drive past emma on her street spot and this individual would drive his
15:01van at them make lots of noise scare them off and so emma was left in the position that she would have
15:07to use this individual for cash they would have to get in his car so that she could earn the money to
15:13pay for her habit emma was desperately distressed and frightened and other girls in the area were
15:18frightened of this individual surely the police should be looking at this individual as number one suspect
15:25i took a statement from kelly ann she described this guy she talked about his height she talked
15:34about his build he looked kind of muscular with dark hair she described his tattoos she described his
15:39jewelry kelly ann talks about this guy with livery on the side of his van she thought he was a painter and
15:46decorator so took the statement that was fine but we're heading back to the office and we got information
15:55that there had been a guy called the impact he stopped in a van been driving around the area that emma
16:01worked got the details of this guy who had been stalked and information came through that he had been
16:07quite hostile in his opinions of prostitutes the cop that had spoken to him at the time and asked him
16:14have you ever been up here do you ever use prostitutes and his reaction was creeping up i've never used prostitutes hate
16:19them despite his repeated denials of soliciting sex workers police grew increasingly suspicious of ian
16:27packer his ban was similar to the vehicle described in the witness statement
16:34we got his address and arrangements were made for him to come to the police office to be spoken to
16:41the following day he attended and he was exactly as kelly ann described same height he's a kind of
16:51swarthy kind of look he just come straight from what so he was dressed in his work clothes i was even at
16:57that point although i hadn't been a detective for that long i had been interviewing people for a long
17:01time i used to be on a dedicated prisoner interview team so i would interview dozens of people every
17:07day and you get a feel for it when people are trying to ingratiate themselves with you they use
17:13your name too much they're overly friendly this was what ian packer was doing ian denies ever having
17:22visited sex workers no absolutely not i don't visit sex workers emma caldwell no never heard of her
17:28never seen anybody or heard of anybody called emma caldwell so although ian packer denies any
17:34responsibility or even knowing any sex workers one of the police officers working on the case
17:40recognizes the wire that was found on emma's body i used to be a neon draftsman
17:48for some reason i thought the cable and i thought the cable burnt at one end
17:54could it be that that piece of cable had been used for something other than its original purpose
18:01could it have been used to repair a sign and the voltage of the sign was too much for the cable
18:07in the case against suspect ian packer a sign writer by trade the evidence is mounting but
18:15detectives do not have enough to retain him in custody and he is released undeterred stuart hall
18:21and his team continue to build the case against him we were instructed to seize packer's van so
18:30we went to his home address it's pretty late on and forensic suits on you know the paper suits and
18:37boots and masks and hoods and we seized his van and took that back to a secure
18:44lockup at paisley police office where that was to be forensically examined so you would look for
18:51things like soil samples and body fluid samples anything at all which may connect him with the murder
19:02they take a photograph of him and then they put this photograph into an album of 11 other men
19:09who are similar in age looks and they take it to the girls out in the streets
19:17and they were asked is there anyone within these photos that you recognize
19:21and they said yes what had this man done well he was the man that was harassing emma he was the man
19:29that was scaring off her clients and most worryingly he was a man that raped her
19:36she picked him out immediately that's him so as police continue to talk to the sex workers more and
19:46more of them come forward to talk specifically about ian packer they will say that he was violent
19:52that he didn't like to use a condom but that he always wanted them to get naked
19:59and there was another girl she also recognized packer she talks about being taken to pollock park
20:10by a male in a van who assaulted her and that was also packer
20:20in the investigation room they are beginning to very much think ian packer's the man there's a hardcore
20:25group who are saying look packer is the guy and one of those investigators he said look i worked
20:31making neon signs myself for 10 years and i recognized the wire at the scene of the crime
20:38has been a wire that you would use in neon signs this guy drives a van he makes signs for a living
20:44also has been picked out by multiple sex workers who say he put his hands around my throat he was violent
20:50he was aggressive he raped me this guy is terrifying please take this guy off the streets
20:57detectives working on operation grail are confident that ian packer is their killer
21:02but unbeknownst to them another team who are working on the case have narrowed
21:06in on a completely new group of suspects
21:10is ian packer about to fall through the cracks in the investigation
21:20ian packer in the murder case of 27 year old glaswegian local emma caldwell
21:36but as they're about to make an arrest they are ordered to stand down
21:40another team has zeroed in on a group of men that they are convinced they're responsible for emma's death
21:45scene
21:48emma caldwell the night she went missing at 20 past 11 that night she received a phone call to her
21:54mobile phone 70 seconds long and it was from a turkish man
22:00this individual then left the country shortly after emma went missing and emma's body was found
22:07He was arguably the last person to see Emma alive, as far as they know,
22:13and so they start piecing a case around him.
22:16They interview him, he admits that he booked Emma and that he'd paid for sex,
22:21and that he also frequented this Turkish cafe.
22:24This Turkish cafe is particularly interesting for a number of reasons.
22:26The police become aware that sex workers are often brought to this cafe
22:31where they are given a rough time.
22:33They are abused, some of them have sex on the site.
22:37It's largely male clientele of this cafe,
22:40and indeed, the owner of the cafe is a convicted sex offender.
22:46So the police then set up an operation called the Operation Guard.
22:51They placed covert listening devices in this cafe.
22:54They were audio and visually recorded.
22:57And they also deployed a Turkish police officer undercover within this cafe.
23:01And they obtained audio recordings from these listening devices.
23:08Their interpretation was that these men were talking about having known Emma
23:13and having got rid of her.
23:15The translators tells his supervisors that the audio reveals the Turkish men
23:20discussing how they murdered Emma and dumped her body.
23:22Their next priority is to gather more evidence proving their guilt.
23:29Investigators also search the home of the Turkish male
23:33who had made the 72nd-long call to Emma the night before she disappeared.
23:38When they search his home, they find wire very similar
23:41to the wire that was found next to Emma's body.
23:44The police decided it was time to bring the Turkish males in.
23:49And whilst they're being questioned, they search the cafe.
23:52And up in one of the bedrooms in the cafe, they find a speck of blood.
23:56And this speck of blood belongs to Emma.
24:01You can see why they're building a strong case here.
24:04This strong case becomes cemented in the senior officer's mind
24:08when they find traces of Emma's DNA within the premises of the cafe itself.
24:14You now have Emma in the cafe.
24:16You have sex workers saying that they've had rough treatment in the cafe.
24:20You've got a guy who's previously attacked women running the cafe.
24:24DNA appears on the face of it to be an open and shut case.
24:29In murder inquiries, it's not the case.
24:31You have to explore every possible reasonable reason
24:36that to explain the presence of that DNA.
24:40And the fact that the police had information at the time
24:43that numerous prostitutes were frequenting this cafe,
24:46they had to take into account that there could have been
24:48a reasonable explanation for Emma's DNA being within this premises at that time.
24:54And it wasn't entirely sinister that it was there.
24:58Tensions surrounding the identity of the killer
25:00begin to fester among the police officers.
25:02It was kind of like the rug had been taken
25:15because the other detectives who were there,
25:19there was a kind of attitude like,
25:21we know, we know.
25:23And we're, you know what?
25:25What do you know? Tell us.
25:26I've still not heard a connection with the deposition site.
25:33I'm not hearing anything that's given me hope
25:36that what I've found is wrong.
25:39At no point in this inquiry did I hear anything
25:41that bettered what I had found from Parker.
25:45The connection to that site was he was a sign erector.
25:53In my experience and my knowledge,
25:55sign erectors have an almost encyclopedic knowledge
26:00of the highways and byways of the country.
26:03They're like taxi drivers on a bigger scale.
26:06They'll know all the shortcuts and they'll know all the roads.
26:09But perhaps the most telling thing
26:15was meeting Pauline McGaughy.
26:19She was another drug user, a prostitute.
26:21We met with Pauline on February 2006
26:25with her boyfriend in Glasgow.
26:31And took a statement from Pauline
26:33and she talks about a male in a van
26:35who assaulted her.
26:38Police accompany this woman
26:39to the location of the assault.
26:42Shockingly, they are led to Limfield Woods,
26:45the place where Emma's body was discovered.
26:49She's telling us how Ian Packer,
26:52who she had identified,
26:54described his van and everything else,
26:57made her strip naked,
26:59made her turn off her phone,
27:00and he demanded that he wanted sex with her.
27:04And while he was doing that,
27:06he was choking her.
27:09She didn't want to strip completely.
27:11She says, I still had one leg in my trousers.
27:16I'm there and I'm looking.
27:17Across there's where Emma's body's found.
27:22The chances of two people
27:24going to the same place for the same thing,
27:27he's made her strip naked,
27:29turn off her phone,
27:29he's choked her.
27:31Emma was found naked
27:32and we believe she was strangled.
27:35How is this not connected?
27:40They'll stand by that.
27:41Absolutely.
27:42So I'm thinking,
27:43up until this point on the inquiry,
27:44I haven't heard any connection
27:46with any of the Turks
27:47to Limfield Woods.
27:52I'm keeping an open mind,
27:53but I've not heard anything
27:56that makes me think,
27:56oh, no, no, right, okay, Packer.
27:59Maybe not.
28:00However,
28:01I can't say the same
28:02on my colleagues.
28:04And it's like everyone's heads turned,
28:06ah, this is it,
28:07this is what it is.
28:09Packer, it's not Packer.
28:10And I was actually ridiculed
28:12a couple of times by colleagues,
28:14come on, Stuart,
28:15it's not Packer.
28:15They obviously know something
28:16that we don't.
28:18And I think, well,
28:19I've not heard it yet.
28:22Despite the lack of evidence
28:23tying the Turkish suspects
28:25to the crime scene
28:26where Emma was found,
28:27police think they have enough evidence
28:29to charge them,
28:30the strongest piece
28:30being the audio recordings.
28:32So following the arrest
28:35of four Turkish males,
28:36their defense says
28:38that they want the tapes
28:39that have been gained
28:40through the covert surveillance,
28:41they want them translated
28:43by a proper translator.
28:46It turns out that originally
28:47these tapes were translated
28:48by a police officer
28:50who was Turkish,
28:51but only had a small grasp
28:53of the Turkish language.
28:54So they asked for them
28:55to be translated properly.
28:56When they take it
28:57for a second opinion,
28:58these translators just say,
29:00this is not what these tapes
29:01are saying.
29:02This is,
29:03this evidence proves nothing.
29:05And at that point,
29:06the case against the Turkish men
29:07falls apart.
29:09The case against the Turkish men
29:11was dropped in 2008.
29:13By this point,
29:14Strathclyde police
29:15have spent four million pounds
29:16in the Emma Caldwell
29:17murder investigation.
29:19The case goes cold.
29:22Emma's family,
29:23desperate for news
29:24to catch the monster
29:25that killed their daughter,
29:27put him behind bars,
29:28stopped getting regular up
29:30dates from the investigation team
29:31and the investigation team,
29:34they don't have
29:35any new information.
29:37Police officers still
29:38have their suspicions
29:39about Ian Packer,
29:40but he's not being touched anymore.
29:42So we have out on the streets,
29:44we have the sex workers.
29:45They're scared.
29:48The case goes cold
29:49for a number of years,
29:51but then seven years later,
29:532015,
29:54Ian Packer is cast
29:55into the spotlight once again.
30:00After the most expensive murder inquiry
30:10in the history of Strathclyde police
30:12in 2008,
30:14the investigation
30:15into 27-year-old Emma Caldwell's death
30:17collapsed.
30:18After the case against its prime suspects,
30:20a group of Turkish men fell apart.
30:23The trail went cold
30:24until seven years later in 2015,
30:26when the spotlight of suspicion
30:28fell back to 42-year-old sign maker
30:31Ian Packer.
30:34After the case collapsed
30:35against the Turkish men,
30:37the police carried on their investigation.
30:39The investigation actually never stopped.
30:43Ian Packer was somebody
30:44that was always in the background
30:46of this crime,
30:48but not just with the police,
30:50but with the public as well,
30:51to the point where,
30:52about 10 years later,
30:54he was named
30:55in the Sunday Mail
30:56as somebody connected
30:58with Emma's murder.
31:01The people of Glasgow
31:02suddenly knew Ian Packer's name,
31:04and Ian Packer suddenly knows,
31:07everyone knows it might be him.
31:11From 2016 onwards,
31:13at that time,
31:14I was working on,
31:15within the major investigation team,
31:17and at that time there,
31:19me and my team were tasked
31:20with conducting
31:21directed surveillance
31:23of Ian Packer.
31:25We were told to keep an eye on him.
31:28He was staying
31:28in a flat in Glasgow,
31:30so we had to do
31:33what we would call a recce,
31:35and that's reconnaissance.
31:37We would typically use
31:38covert vehicles.
31:40We typically wouldn't dress
31:41like police officers.
31:41We followed him continuously
31:45to ensure that he didn't
31:47attack any female.
31:50He was creepy
31:50and he was strange.
31:52Very,
31:52he would walk his dog
31:53habitually,
31:54and the way he walked around
31:56didn't sit right with me.
31:59You were,
32:00you felt almost on edge,
32:02keeping an eye on him,
32:04and you could tell
32:04there just something
32:05wasn't right with him.
32:07Luckily enough,
32:09he didn't attack anyone
32:10during the time
32:11that we were keeping an eye on him.
32:15Although the surveillance operation
32:16uncovers no evidence,
32:18growing media speculation
32:19naming Ian Packer
32:20as the killer
32:21prompts him
32:22to try to clear his name.
32:24In 2018,
32:26he gets in touch
32:26with a BBC journalist
32:27by the name of
32:28Samantha Poling,
32:29and he says that
32:30he wants to clear his name.
32:31He wants to tell
32:32his side of the story,
32:33how he's an innocent man,
32:34and he's been dragged
32:36through the mud.
32:37His name's been dragged
32:38through the mud
32:38of all these years
32:39that he's been linked
32:40to this murder
32:40that he didn't commit.
32:43The first interview
32:44that she does
32:45is very soft,
32:46it's very gentle,
32:47it's letting him
32:48tell the story
32:49from his point of view.
32:51This is his chance
32:51to really put his word forward.
32:53He can clear his name,
32:55he can tell her,
32:56you know,
32:56how he's the victim
32:57in it all, almost.
32:58Unbeknown to him,
33:00she is an investigative journalist
33:02and she's going to go away
33:03and do her research.
33:07She spoke to other girls
33:09who had been working
33:10in the area
33:10that reported
33:11having been attacked by him.
33:13There was lots and lots
33:14of evidence
33:15that came forward
33:15to suggest that he was
33:16telling a pack of lies.
33:19She calls him back
33:20for a second interview.
33:22He sits down
33:22to be interviewed by her
33:24and he's confronted
33:25with all this evidence
33:28and she puts it to him,
33:29you're lying to me,
33:30you did know Emma.
33:37You took Emma
33:38to that secluded location,
33:41you'd met with her
33:41very regularly,
33:43you were obsessed with her
33:44and the colours
33:46draining from his face,
33:47he was not expecting this
33:49and he's really,
33:50his back's against the wall,
33:52he's stuck,
33:53he can't,
33:54he continues trying
33:55to deny it,
33:56why would I,
33:57why would I have come
33:58to you with this story
33:58if I had done all of this
34:00but she's got it,
34:02she's got him.
34:04Ian Packer's BBC interview
34:06is broadcast on screens
34:08and it grabs a huge amount
34:10of attention,
34:11not only in Scotland
34:12but abroad
34:13where people who grew up
34:14in Scotland
34:15might also be watching it.
34:17Ian Packer's face
34:18is immediately recognisable
34:20to somebody in Thailand.
34:22this lady remembers
34:24Ian Packer
34:24because he had
34:25a nightmarish impact
34:27on her childhood.
34:29Growing up in Scotland,
34:30then aged 14 years old,
34:32Ian Packer would arrive
34:33at the house
34:34as a family friend
34:35and he would put
34:36his hands on her,
34:37he would grope her,
34:38he would touch her.
34:39Sometimes she would
34:40wake up on her bed
34:42and she would look there
34:43and Ian Packer
34:44was hovering over her.
34:46Not only that,
34:48Ian Packer,
34:48she said,
34:49definitely raped her.
34:56Due to some brilliant journalism
34:58and the doggedness
34:59of this journalist,
35:01Samantha Poling,
35:02the police reopen
35:03the investigation.
35:05They believe that
35:06Ian Packer is their man
35:07who had murdered Emma
35:08and this time
35:10they're going to get him.
35:11They go back
35:14and they talk to
35:15the victims
35:15from the first time round,
35:17they talk to them again,
35:18they restatement them.
35:19But of course,
35:20initially,
35:20the police,
35:21the actual police
35:22on Op Grail
35:23had done a really good job.
35:25They knew they had their man,
35:27they were just told
35:27to leave him alone.
35:28So all that information
35:30that had been gathered then
35:31was still there.
35:32Together with the new information
35:34that the police had
35:35and the information
35:36that Samantha had given them,
35:38police were able
35:38to charge Packer
35:39with the murder
35:40of Emma Caldwell.
35:44At this point,
35:45I had retired
35:46a couple of times.
35:47I was determined
35:48not to go to court.
35:49I had such a hatred
35:50for the police
35:51because of this case,
35:52I wasn't going
35:52to be one of them.
35:53But I was happy
35:54to do my best
35:56to put Packer away
35:57because even after
35:58all these years,
35:59I knew it was him.
36:00So at the trial
36:13it came out
36:13there was soil samples
36:14found in a footwell
36:15of a van
36:16we had seized
36:17in 2005.
36:19I don't know
36:20if the samples
36:21were actually
36:22looked at
36:23at that point
36:24or they were just
36:25seized and stored
36:26because they were
36:27not interested
36:28in Packer.
36:29They wanted to
36:30make it
36:32these four
36:33Turkish males.
36:35These soil samples
36:36match to the
36:37forest where
36:38Emma was found
36:39with a 99.99%
36:41accuracy.
36:44Even after
36:45all the evidence
36:47that had been
36:47gathered by the police,
36:49the evidence
36:50gathered by the
36:51investigative journalist
36:52was put to him,
36:53he was still denying
36:54having murdered Emma.
36:57He admitted that
36:57yes, I'd been with Emma
36:59on a number of occasions.
37:00He denied raping Emma
37:01but he admitted
37:02that he may have had
37:03sex with her
37:04and carried on
37:05after she asked him
37:06to stop.
37:07But he fell short
37:08of admitting rape.
37:10To him,
37:11all the allegations
37:12that were put
37:13against him
37:13were essentially
37:14liars.
37:16Allegations from
37:1722 different women.
37:21Packer assured
37:22the court,
37:24assured the witnesses,
37:25assured the jury,
37:26assured the legal teams,
37:28assured the judge,
37:29wasn't him.
37:30Even when it was
37:31put to him,
37:32you've got that
37:32witness, that witness.
37:33We've got all
37:33these witnesses,
37:35they're all saying
37:35you'd done this.
37:36Now come on,
37:36Mr Packer,
37:38we are way beyond,
37:40you know,
37:40the chances of a mistake
37:42being made here.
37:44No, I can assure you
37:45it wasn't me.
37:46So you're saying
37:46everyone got it wrong?
37:48Yeah.
37:50It's kind of like
37:51my scenario,
37:52you know,
37:53very rarely in life
37:55are you ever right
37:57and everyone else
37:58is wrong.
38:00You know,
38:00Ian Packer,
38:02it's kind of
38:03the opposite way around,
38:04you know.
38:05The jury
38:06didn't believe
38:07his story.
38:08He was found guilty
38:09of Emma's murder.
38:11He was also found guilty
38:13of 36 different counts
38:14against 22 women.
38:17When I look at the,
38:19all the information
38:20around Emma's murder
38:21and when I put my mind
38:23to motive,
38:25what is it that drove
38:26Packer to kill her
38:28in this way?
38:29For me,
38:29it's quite simple
38:30in that this is about
38:32power and control.
38:34It's behaviour
38:35that he has demonstrated
38:36throughout his whole life.
38:38When you look at his history,
38:40he was involved
38:41in relationships,
38:42domestic relationships,
38:43where he displayed
38:45this behaviour.
38:46He was violent
38:47and domestic violence
38:49stems from
38:50that need for power
38:51and control.
38:53The way he
38:54tried to control
38:55Emma's movements,
38:56scaring off
38:57her clients,
38:59the fact that
38:59he was raping someone
39:01that was willingly
39:03giving him sex,
39:05although it was for money,
39:06why rape her?
39:08Power and control.
39:09When he went with Pauline
39:11to the deposition site area
39:14and he displayed
39:16those same behaviours
39:18towards her,
39:18again,
39:18about power and control.
39:21So that is what
39:22is central to this
39:24and that's the behaviour
39:26he showed after the murder.
39:28Why would he go
39:28to the journalist?
39:30It's about power and control.
39:32People are saying
39:33stuff about me.
39:34I won't control
39:35that narrative around me.
39:36He was sentenced
39:38to 36 years
39:40as a minimum
39:41for the crimes
39:42he had committed
39:43and this was
39:44the second longest
39:45sentence
39:46for anybody
39:48in Scottish history
39:49to that point.
39:49receiving the verdict
39:53wasn't like I imagined.
39:55I thought we'd be
39:56jumping in our seats
39:58and high fives
39:59and curls
39:59and tears.
40:01Well,
40:02there was nearly tears.
40:04It was a bit
40:04of an anticlimax,
40:05not because
40:06I wanted more,
40:08but because
40:09I don't feel better
40:11because he's in prison.
40:12I feel better
40:13that people,
40:15his victims,
40:16have had justice.
40:17I'm glad they have
40:18and the family
40:19gets something from it.
40:20I'm glad.
40:21If he's kept
40:22off the streets,
40:23he's stopped,
40:25he can't rape,
40:26he can't murder,
40:27he can't sexually
40:27assault people,
40:28then yeah,
40:29that's all good.
40:31But I personally
40:32didn't feel
40:34any kind of elation.
40:36There was a great,
40:38big, huge,
40:39I told you so
40:40and you never listened.
40:44When Ian Packer
40:46committed these crimes,
40:47he was 31 years old.
40:49By the time
40:49he went to prison,
40:51he was in his 50s.
40:52He'd lived
40:53the best years
40:54of his life,
40:55years that he'd
40:56snatched away
40:57from Emma
40:58and all those
40:59other victims
40:59in many other ways
41:01who were left
41:01with heroin experiences
41:03at his hands.
41:04Dozens of opportunities
41:05to put this man
41:06behind bars,
41:08dozens of opportunities
41:09to ease the
41:10unending hurt
41:12that the Caldwell family
41:13faced
41:13were missed.
41:14he was in prison
41:16but many,
41:17many chances
41:18to put him there
41:19sooner
41:19had passed them by.
41:23For the family
41:24of Emma,
41:25the trauma's
41:26never going to go away.
41:27Emma was troubled.
41:29She'd,
41:30like,
41:31like so many girls
41:32that end up
41:32in her situation,
41:34it comes from
41:34a background
41:35of trauma
41:35and she was
41:38really preyed on
41:40by the worst
41:41type of man.
41:43I just hope
41:43that all those
41:45years later
41:46that her mum
41:47is now able
41:49to at least
41:50have some kind
41:52of peace,
41:53some kind
41:53of closure
41:53that the man
41:54who did this
41:55to her girl
41:56is now
41:57probably never
41:58going to come
41:59out of prison.
42:00Emma was a very,
42:02very loving person.
42:04She clearly loved
42:04her family
42:05and they were
42:06at the heart
42:06of everything
42:07she did.
42:09No matter where
42:09life took her,
42:10her family
42:11were always
42:12foremost in her thoughts.
42:13She was a very,
42:24she was a very,
42:25a very,
42:26a very low
42:26girl
42:27and she was
42:27like,
42:28oh,
42:29she was a very
42:29girl.
42:30She was a very,
42:31very,
42:32girl.
42:32She was a very,
42:34girl.
42:34And she loved
42:35her,
42:36and she was a very,
42:37the man
42:37got no
42:39take it,
42:40and she was
42:40a very,
42:41and she was
42:41like,
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