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00:00We lost 1-0 at Old Stafford.
00:02Alex Ferguson for two weeks didn't speak to us.
00:07And then he said he got pulled over.
00:09He's obviously got cash on him because he's going somewhere.
00:12Police have asked him why he got cash.
00:13He's turned around and said to me, I told him I robbed the bank.
00:16I've never seen the manager go at someone like he did.
00:20Like, no way someone's getting in.
00:22You're just like, you feel like saying, come on, like, lose him now.
00:25With me and my kids, I've refused to play football with them.
00:28Don't want to show them up?
00:29No, I just, like, it was the same.
00:31They're all bigger than me.
00:36Well, this is nice, isn't it?
00:37Wayne, you like this sofa?
00:39Yeah, it actually reminds me of my mum's one when I was a kid.
00:43I think there's a picture in my book.
00:45And I'm like, just laid out on it.
00:47But yeah, it looks nice.
00:49And this is somewhere that you're familiar with as well, isn't it?
00:51Yeah, I've been here a few times.
00:52Not to record any music or anything.
00:54But you've recorded one of our shows from this.
00:56Well, near here.
00:57Yeah, I was here.
00:58Remember, I was in that basement and I was like, I've been in town working.
01:00I was here.
01:01That got cut out of the pod because it was such a boring answer.
01:03I think when I was like, hey, where are you?
01:05Yeah, I was like, what moment to go?
01:07Yeah, I'm in a basement in a gym.
01:08Like, just can't lie about it.
01:11But yeah, it feels like we're about to do like a radio interview about what your album sounds like.
01:16Yeah, I should probably say at this point for people that aren't watching this on YouTube or iPlayer.
01:20We are in a studio together in London, myself, Kelly Summers with Wayne Rooney, Kay Curd, and we've got a special guest with us today as well.
01:28The one and only Sean Wright-Phillips.
01:29Sean?
01:30Oh, we're giving you an applause, are we?
01:32Yeah, man, come on, give him a proper welcome.
01:34Yeah.
01:35Sean, thanks for coming on the show today.
01:37It's Manchester Derby weekend, so we have to get you in.
01:40Yeah, it's a tricky one, isn't it, this weekend, Wayne?
01:43Well, United are ahead in the table, Andy, Sean.
01:47I'll give you that one for this season.
01:51Yeah, it's early in the season, and Kay, that was your favourite start of the season so far, isn't it?
01:55Yeah, it was, but yeah, you can only look at the table, right?
01:57You can only be as good as whoever's been put in front of you, and we're higher than City are at the moment.
02:03This is typical Man United fan.
02:05Oh, come on, Sean, man, look, listen, you get it, you played for them.
02:09You saw much pain all the time.
02:11Yeah, that's what I mean.
02:12I've come from the dark stages of Man City, now we're all in the line.
02:16You had a bit of success with them, didn't you?
02:18Yeah, I had enough.
02:20I had enough.
02:21It made me as a person and a character in many ways to be able to deal with a lot of things that I walked into,
02:27because there was games that was going in, especially against United,
02:30where a lot of players, senior players, were worried about keeping the score down rather about winning.
02:34How was it?
02:35Yeah.
02:36How was that transition, though, to go from losing all the time and then...
02:40We didn't lose all the time.
02:41It's quite early to go in with that, Kai.
02:45I just wanted to see his mentality.
02:48Right, he's a few years older than me.
02:50I remember as I was trying to get into the first team, Sean's come through at City.
02:55I remember them sleeves.
02:57Oh, it took long for me everything.
03:00We was laughing about that the other day.
03:02The kids weren't made to measure, wasn't he?
03:03My kids, when I first come through, the sleeves were massive.
03:07Any size fits all, one size.
03:09Wasn't it in the regulations as well where you had to tuck in your shirt when you guys were playing?
03:13I'm not sure if it was a regulation thing.
03:15I think it was more of a team etiquette thing.
03:18That's what a certain manager wanted rather than you had to.
03:22Oh, because, yeah.
03:23It comes through the academies and then, especially if you've come through as an academy player,
03:27you're going to the first team, then you've done it your whole time at that club.
03:30So, in Everton still do it.
03:32My boys, young boys are at Everton now and you have to tuck the shirt and still.
03:35Oh, really?
03:36Yeah, because I was watching a game recently and I was like,
03:38nobody's got their shirts tucked in anymore.
03:40It doesn't look right.
03:41I don't like it.
03:42I prefer it when it's tucked in.
03:43I don't know.
03:44I think you can get away with it now because, as Wayne said,
03:45when we were coming through, we couldn't have our shirt out
03:48because me with a shirt out, it would have been down to my knees.
03:51Yeah, so it was better tucked in.
03:55That's wild, isn't it?
03:56The kits didn't really actually fit.
03:58It was literally.
03:59And they were heavy as well.
04:00If it rained, they'd put like an extra half a stone on you.
04:05Did you get to decide whether you wanted long sleeve or short sleeve?
04:08Yeah, I think then you could, but then it changed.
04:10I think with all the sponsorship deals and stuff,
04:13they brought all under tops out and so then they stopped making the long sleeve shirts.
04:17So, if you look now, no players wear long sleeve shirts.
04:20That's a really good point.
04:21Yeah.
04:22So, it's either short sleeve or short sleeve with the...
04:24Under armour.
04:25So, you've got to try to make more money off the fans, I suppose.
04:30Is that literally the reason?
04:33That's the reason.
04:34I wore long sleeve at United for a bit and then they stopped making them.
04:39So, that's why I started to wear an under vest.
04:41I think there was a Liverpool shirt though in the last few years that they released as a long sleeve one,
04:44but I think it was like they made a big deal out of it,
04:46because like you're right, they stopped making them.
04:48Yeah, I think sometimes they...
04:49I think they still released them for the fans,
04:51but actually for the first team players because they want to advertise the tops underneath
04:55and they don't make them at all.
04:56You really wore long sleeves, didn't you?
04:58Yeah.
04:59I weren't a fan of the cold me, man.
05:02Did you have to roll the sleeves up though?
05:04No.
05:05Talk to me in my gloves normally, girls.
05:07So, I used to wear the under sleeve, so I wore that in the States when I play out there
05:12and you know, in like a hundred degrees I used to wear it.
05:15And the reason I used to wear it because if it don't and the sun burns my skin,
05:21it absolutely tore my body up.
05:23So, I used to wear it to like stop the sun actually burning my skin.
05:26Something I've learnt from these early pods is Wayne can't handle the sun, remember?
05:30The top of the lock.
05:31The top of the lock flim in Dubai wearing his skin tight.
05:35So, yeah, no, that's why people used to ask why I do it.
05:38And then there's a little break and you get some water, I put water on and it cools it down.
05:42I'm going to love in like three weeks there's going to be like a suntan lotion company sponsoring Wayne.
05:48I don't think there'd be any that would be strong enough.
05:50It's very sensitive.
05:51Let's bring it back round to the Manchester Derby then because that is why Sean's here.
05:55How much did you look forward to these games or did you dread them?
05:59It depends.
06:00From academy days, I would say coming through the ranks,
06:02like it was something we really looked forward to for.
06:05And we couldn't get away from it because back then that's all the fans lived for was like that moment from 16 all the way to the first team.
06:13They'd watched all of those games.
06:15So I kind of got dragged into the culture from a, from a young age, especially being from London.
06:20And it became my Derby rather than just a South Londoner playing in a Manchester Derby.
06:25But then when we get, when I got to like the first team and the Derby was coming up, I think like 10 to 20 days before I'll just be out with my kids and stuff.
06:35And you fans will walk past you and be like, look, honestly, we know how the season's going to go.
06:40But right now we don't really care.
06:42Just beat Man United and we will be happy.
06:46And I was, I was always like, I'm just going to try my best because at that time getting the ball off Man United was hard enough.
06:52So it was like, when you get the ball, try and make something happen.
06:56But yeah, that, those days were good.
06:58But then when I came back the second time and certain players started coming into the fold, those players that came in had a different sort of belief in terms of...
07:07Which players in particular?
07:09There's a few of them I can't name for some reasons, but like, if you bring in like your Vincent companies, your Nigel Dijon, your Yaya's and like we said in there that your David Silva's like it kind of changed the ballpark.
07:21Like you're going into a game and Mark Hughes was the manager at that time.
07:24And as much as he wanted us to defend, he believed in us expressing ourselves.
07:29And he's like, as soon as you get the ball off them, you go basically and you don't look back.
07:33And then the game started to change.
07:35And then I was thinking every time we came up against him, we just believed we could beat him.
07:39Like, even if it didn't happen.
07:41That's mad because, so what you're saying then about, you know, the fans coming up to you and stuff.
07:47So I had that obviously at Everton when I was at Everton versus Everton v Liverpool.
07:51So I was that side of it where the fans are coming up and ran the training ground for the week before.
07:55It's just everyone, like the staff, you know, like City fans there or Everton fans.
08:00Like they feel sick because the game's coming up and they're that worried about losing the game.
08:05So then when at United, when I was there, as Sean, for the first few years, it never really felt like a rivalry.
08:12It felt like we were going to go and win the game and move on.
08:16And then the longer it went on, obviously City then got more money behind them, getting better players in.
08:22It become more competitive game.
08:24As I said to Kay as we walked in last year, you're going to come into your own here because you'll remember all the Manchester derbies throughout your life.
08:31And you were like, well back then it was more Liverpool and Arsenal when you were growing up, wasn't it?
08:35I guess. But then it has changed as the status of two plus has changed, as these guys have said.
08:39Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, when I was, when I was a kid, it was like, Man City, I mean, it was like Trevor Sinclair playing for them and all that.
08:45He absolutely destroyed the season.
08:47Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. That's the sort of era I remember.
08:51I'm so sorry for Patrice. He gets mentioned on this show a lot. We need to get him on to defend himself.
08:55No, I mean, I remember that game and it was like, yeah, you're right.
08:58Vidic and Evra were having a hard time. It was, they'd just been signed in January, hadn't they?
09:02So, but yeah, like I said, it was, it was that era. So I didn't really care too tough about it.
09:07But yeah, it was the Arsenal and the Liverpool games that I was a bit more concerned about.
09:11But yeah, I mean, there was a few really bad ones once like they started having some success.
09:16The 6-1, I remember, I was watching it in the gym with a couple of my mates and I was just like, I was about to cry a breath.
09:25I think that was a big moment for City then because you could feel City coming, coming up and getting closer to us.
09:31But to come to Old Trafford and win 6-1, I think that was like...
09:34A statement.
09:35Yeah, that was a, that was a statement. And like, I remember being on the pitch and...
09:39What was that like?
09:40That was horrible. Obviously, we went to 10 men, I don't have to say that as well.
09:44Sorry, before we came here, you started talking about the shots on target.
09:48Yeah, no, because...
09:49And I was like, as if we're still talking about it.
09:50Honestly, the shots on target, the shots on target were very similar. It was just that they tripped it.
09:55Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:56Okay, you lost 6-1. No one cares how many shots on target there were.
09:58No, it was horrible. It was like, second half just felt like it was goal after goal and you're just like, oh, get me off this pitch.
10:04But do you know what made it worse? Because at that period, we weren't used to losing. Like you didn't know how to process a loss.
10:10No, not at Old Trafford, 6-1. Yeah, it was insane. I don't think that's ever...
10:15I don't think it was a thing.
10:16Yeah.
10:17I don't think I'd ever come close to getting beat 6-1 at Old Trafford.
10:19Yeah, it was insane.
10:20Before or after.
10:21It's not like now where it's like, okay, yeah, fair enough. Whereas, no, I'm being serious. Like nowadays, if we lose, I'm like, yeah, it is where it is.
10:28But back then, it was like, are you seeing our team, bro? How has this happened?
10:32No, but City then had a good team. Like, so even Jaco, I don't think that's the credit he deserves and Silva and I think Balotelli there then as well.
10:42He was, you didn't know what you were going to get with him. So, you know, they had a good team, Torre, Kompany, Harty and Goal.
10:50I know, but what were the players and the manager saying at the end of the game? What was it like? Did they need to say much or were you all just like, yeah, I can't remember what the man just said, but...
10:59Plogged it out.
11:00No, but honestly, I think it, I'd imagine it would be just, you know, see us tomorrow and we'd just have to move on from it.
11:08Is that, is that how, it didn't happen often, admittedly, is that how United at that time dealt with any setbacks? It was like, that's just a one-off, you just move on from it.
11:16No, there was times where, when we played Portman in the FA Cup quarter-final and Thomas Cusack got sent off.
11:24Real winning goal. We lost 1-0 at Old Stafford. And it was the year we won the league on the Champions League.
11:32And I think it was Middlesbrough and Cardiff in the semi-final final for the treble. So Alex Ferguson for two weeks didn't speak to us.
11:40It was two weeks, two weeks, we had games.
11:42None of you?
11:43We had games.
11:48Wayne, you're going to have to tell us more. Like, who's picking the team?
11:50Yeah, he didn't speak to us. He literally picked the team more than the day of the game.
11:54He just wrote it down.
11:56You walk past him in the corridor, wouldn't look at you. Two weeks, because he knew that was a massive missed opportunity for the treble game.
12:02Oh my word.
12:03What are you and the players saying to each other at that point?
12:05Just trying to stay away from him.
12:08If you see him come down the corridor, are you trying to go another way?
12:11You see, when you were at City, say you did lose a Manchester derby, could you go out in Manchester that night or would you hide for the week?
12:19It kind of depended on the player. Like, the Man City fans were good in terms of they were used to losing in so many ways.
12:28So they knew how to deal with that. So they wouldn't prevent, say, a player from having that social side.
12:36Because sometimes that's how players get rid of a bad energy or a bad loss or a bad game.
12:43Some players just use it just to switch off. But they weren't too bad with me, to be fair.
12:48Not even United fans were bad with me.
12:51Wayne's smiling.
12:52So do you know after the 6-1 game, England beat 6-1, after something like that, I never got out to go home.
12:59I had a birthday party.
13:01I'm glad you brought that up.
13:03I had a birthday party. Joe Hart, Cara Barry, City players were invited to me party.
13:10Wayne, I don't know why you're saying this as if no one knew. It was in the press, wasn't it?
13:14I don't know.
13:15It was, yeah.
13:16Was it?
13:17Because I knew about it.
13:18No, but I was literally sat there, I think, and needed to cancel her.
13:21Oh, really?
13:22And then, obviously, we've got family, friends, everyone who's obviously made their own plans to cover.
13:29And I was like, that's how it went.
13:32And then, obviously, we've got the United lads, some of the City lads sat there and we sat there just like...
13:37Do you talk to each other?
13:38Yeah, of course. And, well, in the end, there was, I think there was me, Crouchy, Hearty.
13:43We all grew up and done a song of Baxley Boys.
13:48Which one?
13:50Which one was it?
13:51I can't remember, I can't remember which one it was.
13:53Well, is that how you throw the ice?
13:55That was just the best way to get over it, but...
13:58Did the players in general, did you have like friends from United as well?
14:01Did the players kind of, did the rivalry stretch to the players in terms of off the pitch?
14:06No. I just felt like as soon as you cross that white line, you're just arch enemies.
14:12And then once it's over and done with, you get a bit of banter from your mates about it or the players you know.
14:17But other than that, it was just always there. It's just on the field action only.
14:21That's where I was saying before when we go with England, I was actually closer to the non-United players.
14:30Yeah, we were always together, me, him and the front.
14:32No problem.
14:33Than it was with the United players. I think because I probably just had enough of being with them every day.
14:37Yeah.
14:38Different people, yes.
14:40Was there anybody that you probably had an argument with on the pitch and then like, you were probably like friends with him later on?
14:47No, I remember, I used to love me little battles with company.
14:51Because he was a big strong lad and you know, he was a good player.
14:54So it was always, I knew it was always going to be a difficult game.
14:56And then, I remember, I've turned to make a run and I've butted him and I could see he was clearly gone.
15:02So I ended up getting my head stapled at the side of the pitch.
15:07And then Vinny went in and then he didn't come out at half time.
15:11He was like, he must have been concussed.
15:12So then on the, I think this was the Sunday, on the Monday, we bolted the skills off, my kids are off at school.
15:19So we're chatting to him, I'm like, how's your dad?
15:22How are you doing with him?
15:23Did you ever hang out with Balotelli?
15:25Because he was a bit of a character, wasn't he?
15:27Yeah, he was a special guy.
15:29Very special guy.
15:32Because I remember that shirt in it, the one where it said, why always me?
15:35Yeah.
15:36When you saw that on a pitch, what were you thinking?
15:37I see, I don't mind. I think it's just him showing character.
15:40We haven't seen enough of that, do we? Especially not now.
15:43It's a bit like, if you look at Cantona where he puts his collar up.
15:47I like players who've got that little bit of arrogance and confidence about themselves.
15:51I met Mayor a couple of times and I've always seen him as a nice lad.
15:55But then you see some of the stories where he ran round his house on his motorbike.
16:00What was he actually like as a person?
16:03Because we hear the stories, but what was he actually like?
16:06He was like a 12 year old in almost like an adult's body.
16:11Like the things that he would do, would you expect from a 12 or 13 year old?
16:16Like the fireworks in his bathroom.
16:18Like who would think of, when you've got a garden, why would you like fireworks in your bathroom?
16:23Was he finding them out the window into the garden?
16:25I'm not even sure what he was doing.
16:27Yeah, maybe he just wanted him to get real lift off.
16:29And he said to me one time, and he came straining.
16:31He was like, Sean, you never guessed what happened to me yesterday.
16:33So he said to me after the game.
16:35So I decided I'm just going to drive through orderly edge with my roof down and sing Manchester City songs.
16:42Cause we beat United.
16:43And then he said he got pulled over.
16:45He's obviously got cash on him cause he's going somewhere.
16:48Police have asked him why he got cash.
16:50He's turned around.
16:51He said to me, I told him I've robbed some, robbed the bank.
16:53I was just like, why would you like think of, that's just his personality.
16:57Like you said, it's just his character.
16:59Like some player he could have been.
17:01Yeah.
17:02And some player he was at the time.
17:04Yeah.
17:05I was going to say, like you say some player he could have been, but when he was good, he was really good.
17:08He was a special player.
17:09In many ways it was unstoppable, but his temperament always got him in trouble on the pit.
17:14Yeah.
17:15No, I think playing, obviously not directly against him, but you see the ability adding him.
17:20And that's why I was saying that, I think that having that bit of arrogance is good.
17:25But then I think you just need to show a little bit more, a bit more consistent with it.
17:30And I think he was just a little bit unconsistent.
17:32Yeah.
17:33I bet you would have loved to have invited him to the party though.
17:36He had fireworks going off in his bathroom.
17:38I'm not sure about that.
17:40No, but no, he was, he was a top player.
17:43Yeah, mate.
17:44Okay.
17:45Well, you've spoken a lot about the 6-1.
17:46Sorry about that, Wayne.
17:47What was your favourite Manchester derby?
17:48I think it was the one, we won 1-0 at the Etihad.
17:52Ronaldo might score the penalty.
17:55It was.
17:56And the next day we won the league.
17:58So we almost won the league at the Etihad.
18:02Chelsea played Arsenal the next day and they drew 1-1.
18:05So that was mad because I remember sat at home, I've literally got me cloned, clothes ready.
18:10Had a couple of beers watching the Chelsea Arsenal game thinking like, if Chelsea don't win we've won the league.
18:16And then Chelsea got, I can't remember his name, the Dutch centre back.
18:20Bulleridge, yeah.
18:21He got sent off early.
18:24So then Arsenal went 1-0 up.
18:26So he was like, actually, are you lying on your clothes now?
18:31And then Chelsea equalised with about 10 minutes to go.
18:36I think it was.
18:37And then he hung on.
18:38So then we've obviously all met up and gone out.
18:40But I think that game was, I think we knew if we won that game, we've won the league.
18:45And that was the first title, which I would have won.
18:47So I'd say that game.
18:49Were you surprised you said that?
18:50Or it makes sense, doesn't it?
18:52I think for a player, it's probably different.
18:54Us fans, I love like a last minute winner.
18:56The drama.
18:57Yeah, the 4-3.
18:58Yeah, the 4-3 was like, it was just insane.
19:01And it was even better because it was in Fergie time.
19:03There was another one as well, which the League Cup final.
19:07I scored in the 90th minute.
19:10It was 3-3 over two legs.
19:12And I scored the last kick of the game.
19:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:15Those moments are like, for a fan, it's so good because it's like,
19:21you're almost going to lose all your drawing or whatever.
19:23And then you just see the reaction on the players' faces.
19:26Mark Hughes went mad on that 4-3 one, didn't he?
19:29Because I think they went to like eight or nine minutes instead of seven.
19:32Yeah, it was cool.
19:33And I think it was one of those where, at that time, City were still,
19:40were really good as well, weren't they, at that point?
19:43Yeah, City were a good team then.
19:45And I remember, you know, Bellamy was on fire.
19:48He scored a thing.
19:49He scored two great goals.
19:50Like, that was a tough game for us.
19:51And I think City were probably a better team, to be honest, in that game.
19:54And then Michael Owen scores, scores later on.
19:58But I remember the one where Malateli's done while it was me.
20:03Yeah.
20:04I'm sure it was that game when Ben Foster played and he messed up.
20:08And I've never seen the manager go at someone like he did.
20:13Really?
20:14Like, no way someone's getting in.
20:16You just like, you feel like saying, come on, like, leave him now.
20:19There's no, there's no way Ben Foster could have played for Man United ever again.
20:23Yeah, I think he's spoken about that.
20:25But van der Sar had been injured.
20:27So we knew van der Sar was ready for the next game.
20:30So I think that's added to it.
20:32And he's just gone on me.
20:33And that's the worst I've ever seen.
20:36Does anyone dare say anything in that situation?
20:38He's just looking at Ben.
20:40Don't worry mate, in 10 years your YouTube channel is going to be amazing.
20:47So yeah, it was a bit too far, I think.
20:51What was your favourite one?
20:52The 4-1 at the Etihad.
20:55I'd say that was like a massive one for me in terms of games.
20:59Because even through that game, Man United were bringing it.
21:03And with Man United's teams, you could have been 3-0 up
21:06and they have 20 minutes left to go.
21:08And with that team, they could have still come back and got something out of the game.
21:12And I remember it being 3-1.
21:14And I'm just like, there's 20 minutes left, 15 minutes left.
21:17And I'm like, it's still possible for these guys.
21:20Is that genuinely still going through your mind as a player?
21:23As fans they'll think that.
21:24I don't know what the fans think, but 3-1 isn't a good score.
21:28Because as soon as it gets to 3-2, injury time plays a massive part when it's 3-2.
21:35So I remember like, I think it was 3-1, the ball went up the side of the pitch.
21:40And like, I scored the fourth goal and I was dead.
21:43Like I actually didn't want to run, but the ball just for whatever reason wouldn't roll off the pitch.
21:48And I looked at the ball and then the fans started going on in my head.
21:52I was like, damn, I'm going to have to kind of go for it now.
21:55And I just went for it.
21:57And before I knew it, I was in front of Wes.
22:00And I said like, the thing that we learned in training, especially when Mark Hughes was there, is that when we get up there, don't lose the ball.
22:08It either has to go for a corner or something needs to happen so they can't hit us back on the counter-attack basically.
22:15So I just said, I just need like half a yard just to hit that ball as hard as I can.
22:22And just remember it just looping in.
22:24There was one person I wanted to ask about though, about the Derbys.
22:27You see when Tevez came back, what did you lot think?
22:30Did you lot want to get at him or was it just like normal?
22:33No, he was gotten.
22:35I was gutted when he left because I really enjoyed playing with him.
22:39I think he was probably my favourite partner to play with.
22:42Was he?
22:43Yeah.
22:44And then when he went, I think there was all politics around who owned him.
22:48I think he just didn't want to play any part in that.
22:50And like we were there, I think we could have had him for like 20 million.
22:54Yeah.
22:55Something like that.
22:56And like, as players, we're like, what are we doing?
23:00And then anyway, he goes to City and that's his choice.
23:05I don't think.
23:07So as players, none of you thought, oh my God, I can't believe he's done that.
23:11If you ask him, would I have done it or would other players have done it?
23:13No, but he's from Argentina.
23:15I don't think that really has any impact in his decision making whatsoever.
23:19Yeah.
23:20From that point of view.
23:21So it was a massive loss.
23:22And then like, we just knew where City were and trying to grow.
23:27Him going there because we knew the ability was going to help them massively.
23:32It's quite a transfer, isn't it?
23:33Moving from United to City in terms of like doing that.
23:37It's not really something that's done that often.
23:39Well, I mean, there are a couple, like Owen Hargreaves did it.
23:41Schmeichel.
23:42Yeah, Schmeichel.
23:43But at that, but at that moment when he did it.
23:45Yeah.
23:46Yeah.
23:47That, that was like, not, I wouldn't say his peak, but.
23:51It was near it.
23:52That was at Tevez, Tevez time.
23:54Yeah.
23:55Like it was a shock.
23:56It sent shockwaves, didn't it?
23:57Through the industry.
23:58It shocked us, Kelly, as well.
23:59It shocked us.
24:00That was what I was going to kind of ask respectively.
24:02What was it, what was it like?
24:03At Players at City, it shocked us because we never saw that coming.
24:06Normally, if we get a hand-me-down from Man United, they're at the later part of their career,
24:11like kind of winding down.
24:13Hand-me-down.
24:14But when you're getting a player like gifted, because like you said, in many ways it was gifted to us.
24:23Like to get a player like that, at that ability, at the transition of the time Man City were in,
24:28was massive because from he comes that, other players are thinking, well, why is Tevez going there?
24:32It draws.
24:33Well, I think it was against City when he scored at Old Trafford.
24:36Yes.
24:37Towards the end of the season, I think he scored, he kept running off the post.
24:40Yeah.
24:41I think it was against us.
24:42I think it was against City, and then, and from there, you knew, because I think they were trying to
24:47organise for him to stay at the club, and then he's ran over and he's ran to the boards,
24:51and then he's done that with his ears.
24:52It is.
24:53And then you're like, he's not going to be here next year.
24:58Yeah, it was massive.
24:59Yeah, I suppose that was quite, sorry, I can't go over the hand-me-downs phrase.
25:03The phrase for a footballer.
25:05Who would you refer to as a hand-me-down, by the way?
25:08Well, definitely not Tevez, that's for sure.
25:11That's for sure.
25:12But no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even say about Schmeichs, but we got Schmeich, Schmeichel's a fantastic goalkeeper.
25:16And he was when he came to City.
25:18But if he was, Man United wouldn't give us a 25, 26-year-old Schmeichels.
25:24Before we wrap up the Manchester derby chat, I can't believe we haven't spoken about the overhead kick goal.
25:29That must be one of, is that one of your favourites from your career?
25:32Yeah, it is.
25:33I think.
25:34So you said this so casually.
25:35No, no, but when you look back to the game, I was so bad in that game.
25:39It's one of the worst games I've ever played.
25:40I couldn't control the ball.
25:41Obviously, but then the goal happens.
25:45And I think it's more of an iconic goal because it's the derby you score, win the game 2-1.
25:50But it's a goal which I'm sure you've never practiced overhead kicks.
25:57It's a weird thing to practice, isn't it?
26:00It's not.
26:01It went off your shin as well, didn't it?
26:03Yeah, it went in.
26:04I don't know.
26:05You don't practice overhead kicks.
26:10So how do you get good at them?
26:12You just adjust.
26:13It's insane.
26:14And if one comes and you do it, it might go 50 yards over.
26:17So there's a lot of luck with it.
26:20Like me, goal against Newcastle, for instance.
26:21That was something you practiced at the end of training.
26:23You practiced volleying and trying to hit it with the outside of your foot a bit.
26:26That's my favourite goal of yours.
26:27To come back in.
26:28Or even the counter-attack goals where we work on.
26:31We scored a lot against Arsenal doing that.
26:33So them goals, because you've worked on it, you've practiced it,
26:37I think I get more joy out of.
26:39But obviously they scored it over against City.
26:42That's lucky.
26:43Is that one of your favourite goals you've scored?
26:45Yeah, it's one of them.
26:46Yeah, of course.
26:47So against Artie as well.
26:48I used to have a bit of banter with Artie when we meet up with England.
26:49I scored a few past them.
26:50No, I scored a few decent ones.
26:51I scored a free kick.
26:52I scored one from the halfway line.
26:53Overhead kick.
26:54I used to have a bit of banter with Artie.
26:55Do you remember all of your goals, so you could reel off every single one?
26:58Yeah, I think so.
26:59Wow.
27:00That's amazing.
27:01I couldn't do that.
27:02I didn't get nowhere near as many as Artie.
27:04So Wayne says that he enjoyed the overhead kick, but maybe it wasn't his favourite.
27:08I bet that was one of the favourite goals.
27:10It was one of my favourite goals.
27:11It was one of my favourite goals.
27:12But my favourite goal was his Newcastle goal.
27:13The volley.
27:14That was my favourite goal.
27:15That was my favourite goal.
27:16It was because what I loved about that goal was you're still talking to the ref and you
27:21look angry with him.
27:22Yeah, I think Sheila should have been booked on him at that time.
27:27I think Sheila was Mr FA.
27:29I don't think they were going to book him and then, yeah, he's the ball's fellow, the
27:42referee.
27:43Because it just looks so funny, like, because you're just like still talking to him, you're
27:48still talking to him, the ball comes, you smack him and he's the ball's fellow, the
27:53referee.
27:54To add to that, it was, I had a dead leg at the time and I've seen David Bellion getting
28:04ready to come on and I was like, no way.
28:07Just thinking I'm not getting something in my life.
28:12So that helped as well, just all the anger out on the ball.
28:15Yeah, because even when you celebrated, you're still shouting.
28:18It wasn't even like...
28:19Well, I almost nearly broke my jaw.
28:20He come in and he's come in, he's hitting my shoulder right on my jaw.
28:23My jaw was in agony for weeks after that.
28:26Oh my God.
28:27Yeah.
28:28Who's is better?
28:29Do you think Wayne's overhead kick or the Garnaccio against Everton?
28:33Garnaccio's better.
28:35Oh.
28:36I don't know.
28:37Yours felt, when I watch it, more like an overhead kick.
28:40I think Garnaccio's had more of like an angle on it.
28:42His goal was unbelievable, by the way.
28:44Yeah.
28:45I just think he's, he's caught it throughout the distance it was and I think it was better.
28:50You know, Garnaccio one was good, but I just don't think it had the same sort of gravitas
28:54to it.
28:55Do you know what I mean?
28:56Like the importance of it.
28:57Yeah.
28:58Yeah.
28:59I mean, it was, it was a nice moment, but in the grand scheme of things for the season,
29:03what did it really mean?
29:04The goal of the season.
29:05The goal of the season.
29:06Yeah.
29:07Yeah.
29:08That's all it meant really.
29:10Yeah.
29:11To be fair at this stage of our, of our, of our thing, it does mean a lot.
29:14It feels like it's a weird one this weekend because we've spoken about this game being
29:18in the past when Man United were at the top of English football, when Man City were
29:22at the top of English football.
29:23I mean, admittedly Man City are probably a bit nearer than United at the moment, but this
29:27weekend it feels like both teams really need a win and potentially a bit, just to make
29:31a bit of a statement as well.
29:33I think it's massive for City personally.
29:35I don't know what you think.
29:36Yeah.
29:37I just think City have got the experience of players being there and being close to the
29:43top league.
29:44I think for United, I think after, you know, a bit of criticism at the start of the season,
29:51obviously win the last game, this game, if they can win that, then I think it gives
29:55the confidence it gives the players is huge.
29:57I think City will get back up there anyway, regardless, but I think with United, the confidence
30:02it will give the players to win this game will be huge.
30:04You just said then though, you feel it's really big.
30:06Yeah, I think it's massive.
30:07I think they're in a position where it almost feels like it's pre-season for them at the
30:12minute with having that three weeks off before the start of the season, which for me, I
30:15think all players should have a bare minimum of three weeks off anyway, which sadly football
30:20hasn't given us for a good couple of years, especially the top five teams anyway.
30:25So I think they're still getting their legs going.
30:29There's elements you see in games where they're like, City are back, and then when you look
30:33at the Spurs game, then you're thinking, well, we're quite a way away here.
30:38So I still think they're working it out.
30:40There's still a few kinks.
30:41I think with Colo Torre and Pep Linders in there, I think that helps with some new ideas.
30:45I think they're going to be more aggressive this year in terms of, especially when they
30:49break, they're going to try and go for the juggler rather than slow play and retry and
30:53break them down again.
30:54But I still think they're all work in progress.
30:57So it's a step.
30:58You hear Pep speak sometimes and he says with what they've been working on, he's happy
31:03because he's seen a lot of those things happen in a game.
31:05But of course, nobody's happy when you lose a game.
31:08But that for me was another game of individual mistakes.
31:11I think the international games as well now will help as well in terms of the players'
31:16fitness and getting them sharp.
31:17And you see Haaland scored five goals.
31:19Yeah, I saw that.
31:20Did you see Haaland's injury?
31:21Yeah, I knew that.
31:22Sorry, I know I got off piece there, but he put it on social media.
31:25His mouth was like, I don't know what happened, but yeah.
31:27He said the bus, the door of the bus, I think.
31:30He walked into it, I think, which is...
31:32Not a football injury, sorry.
31:34I just had to interject with that because it was one of the fattest,
31:37one of the fattest lips I have ever seen.
31:39Why it affects him on the football pitch this weekend?
31:41There's a lot more pressure though, I think, on Amaran than there is on Guardiola.
31:46I think there should be.
31:48Yeah.
31:49In terms of, I think, with Pep, he tries to adjust things if things ain't working.
31:53He tries to change things tactically and so on.
31:55Whereas I don't think Amaran does.
31:57I think he's got his way of playing.
31:59If it isn't working, he kind of just takes people out and puts people in there.
32:03I used to say about Alex Ferguson.
32:05Well, Pep has earned that right to try new things and try something different
32:10because I'm sure the hierarchy of Manchester City, they trust him.
32:13They know he's a winner.
32:15He wins trophies.
32:16That's what he does.
32:17So, with Amaran obviously coming in, there's a lot of pressure to be successful
32:22and climb the table and win trophies.
32:24And we haven't quite seen that yet in England.
32:27So, that's why I think there's a bit more pressure on Amaran.
32:30Yeah.
32:31Yeah.
32:32And I guess Pep's already proven himself over here, whereas Amaran hasn't.
32:33I don't think he doesn't have to prove himself over here.
32:34No, exactly.
32:35He was enjoying his international break, wasn't he?
32:37He was at...
32:38He was at the US, didn't he?
32:39Yeah, he was at the US Open.
32:40I saw that as well.
32:41Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:42Amaran can't be doing that.
32:43If I saw him at the US Open, I'd be like, bro, what are you doing?
32:46He's been sitting with that tactics board that he pitched side at Grimsby, hasn't he?
32:51Yeah, okay, so big game this weekend, but we also wanted to talk to you guys.
32:54You're both fathers with sons and a daughter who is now involved in the game.
33:00I wanted to firstly talk about your daughter because your daughter is, I said it to you
33:04before we came in here, incredibly exciting time to be involved in women's football.
33:08Did you say she's 11?
33:09Yeah, 12 next month.
33:10And she's just signed for Chelsea, one of the best team in England as it stands.
33:14And it sounds like she's got a pretty good chance.
33:16Yeah, she's got a delightful chance.
33:18I don't, with me and my kids, I refuse to play football with them.
33:22Don't want to show them up?
33:23No, I just like, it was the same with me and Bradley.
33:26They're all bigger than them though.
33:31How long was you waiting for that?
33:35No, I just believe in them learning to fall in love with the game their self and playing football the way they want to play.
33:42If I'm going to teach my kids, I'm going to teach them how I played football.
33:45I think the game's changed.
33:46I want them to learn to find their own way to play the game.
33:49And that's what they both did.
33:51They both fell in love with it.
33:52And she does stuff that I used to do, climb over fences that you're not allowed to do,
33:57do running drills on her own.
33:59So she's earned all of that herself.
34:02That must be hard being a good player, trying to teach her.
34:06I'm very similar.
34:07I'm, let's say, quite lucky where I live and I've got like a little pitch there.
34:12And when the kids say, oh, we've come on the pitch.
34:15All we're going to do is tighten the balls in the top corner.
34:18Yeah.
34:19So when I say to them when I was younger, you're out, you're playing, you're practicing.
34:21I used to remember setting the little squares and passing into it and, you know, just playing off the wall.
34:27And so I'm very similar.
34:29I'm like, well, go out and you need to practice.
34:31You need to work on your speed.
34:32You need to work on your technique, your control and stuff like that.
34:35And because otherwise you go out and just like, oh, watch me hit the ball in the top corner.
34:40Yeah.
34:41Because it must be when you're a good player, you're just like, yeah, just, yeah, of course.
34:44You just hit top bins.
34:45It's easy.
34:46But it's like that came with years of practice for you guys, which people don't see.
34:50So like trying to, you can't really instill, like you can't really show them how to do that.
34:54Can you?
34:55They have to learn it for themselves.
34:56I just found in football, there's so many elements of it.
34:59You can't teach.
35:00Sure.
35:01Like when I dribble or when Rooney does these weird and random things that he would just do off the cuff.
35:07They're not taught.
35:08That's just an instinct thing.
35:09You learn just playing with your friends on the street or doing it by yourself.
35:13Like the rest of the stuff can be coached.
35:15So I've always found like learn your raw ability and the rest of football, you can learn along the journey.
35:21Also, Sean, you've obviously seen it from both sides.
35:24You're the father of children playing football now, but you're also the son of an incredibly famous footballer as well.
35:30Do you think having had that experience has shaped the way you are with your footballing children?
35:36Yeah and no.
35:37I think there's elements of it.
35:38I think that to deal with like the grief that comes along with it, because a lot of people see you and just expect you to be as good as him or play the same way as him.
35:49I've got a lot of stick growing up from parents and all the rest of it.
35:53And I know my daughter's been getting it recently at 11 or 11 and 10 already from parents.
35:59She's been getting like booed off the pitch.
36:01Booed off the pitch?
36:02Yeah, when she's come off injured.
36:03Because she's your daughter?
36:05Because they don't want her to do what she's capable of doing.
36:08So it's a put off tactic.
36:09It happens in men's football.
36:10That's why they give you the abuse they give you, because they don't want you to perform at the level that they know.
36:16There's a bit more pressure on them as well.
36:18Yeah.
36:19I remember with Kai when Ronaldo come back, Ronaldo's lad and Michael Carrick's lad were all on the same team.
36:26And we go and watch and then all of a sudden there's like 10 times the amount of people who've known me there all laying around the pitch watching.
36:33So there's a lot more pressure because they're coming to watch them three kids to see how they play and stuff.
36:38Well they're coming to watch not Kyrie, they're coming to watch Wayne's son.
36:41I think they should mentally prepare them.
36:44Yeah, they've got to mentally be prepared.
36:46And I just tell her, I've always told them, just play your game.
36:49Answer all the questions with your football.
36:51Don't have a reaction that everybody's expecting you to react, which is normally take your focus away from what you're actually meant to be doing.
36:58Do you think your approach helps with your children because your dad was a footballer as well?
37:03I would say a year or no, because like in terms of there's, there's kids and there's kids in it.
37:11Some kids just refuse to hear what people are saying and there's other kids that actually listen.
37:16But I think the fact that I've been through it and I would say most probably the same with Wayne's, the fact that he's been through it all.
37:22For kids around you, there's no better person to really take advice from because what you're saying is stuff that you've actually lived through.
37:30So your daughter's playing, but I feel quite bad. I focused on the daughter because I'm excited that she's signed for Chelsea.
37:35But your son's playing. Is he out in Belgium now?
37:37Yeah, he's out in Belgium.
37:38Because he was at Stoke, wasn't he?
37:39Yeah, he was. He was at Stoke. He did actually really well at Stoke.
37:43And then new manager changes, it becomes a bit tricky.
37:46And now he's learning how to deal with the downside of football, which a lot of kids don't see.
37:51A lot of kids just think you play football, you're going to play all the time and you're going to live the high life where he got a new manager that believed in playing old players.
37:59So he ends up going on loan, helped Bear Scott get promoted to the championship.
38:03He had a terrible season last year in terms of he was injured.
38:07So mentally, he didn't know how to deal with it.
38:09And now the new coaches come in and they want him off the books and now he's learning to deal with something else to deal with football.
38:15And there's something he has to grow up and deal with because there's only some things like me as a dad and as an ex-footballer can help him with.
38:23How much, how involved are you? How much does he call on you?
38:26As kids do when they need something.
38:29What are you saying there? So for instance, I only experienced that towards the end of my career.
38:38Where I'm experienced or if I'm mature enough to know how to deal with it.
38:42So when it's at the start of your career, that's when I imagine you don't know how to deal with it.
38:48So you need advice, whether that's from a parent or a coach or whatever, to try and help you get through that.
38:54Because at that age, there's no way you can know all the answers.
38:57Wayne, you are not going to the NTAs. Some breaking news.
39:00On the last show, we said, oh, we're going to see Wayne in the week.
39:04And then he's going to the NTAs off to be a celeb.
39:07You didn't sound too excited about it. You're not actually going.
39:09And the reason you're not going is because...
39:12I'm going to Korea tomorrow.
39:14As you do?
39:15To play a game, yeah.
39:16It's not just any old game though, is it? It's not a kickabout in the park?
39:19No, there's some good players there, yeah.
39:21Thierry Henry.
39:22Oh, they're all right, aren't they?
39:23Rio, Vida.
39:25A few top players, yeah.
39:27So I think there's a little perks there as well.
39:30So if you do well, your FIFA rating card goes up.
39:35Oh, really?
39:36Are you going to train him for it?
39:37Yeah.
39:38Such a lot!
39:39Such a lot!
39:40As he said that, he left his chest out.
39:45So that would be fun.
39:47It's a long trip, obviously.
39:49But it would be fun.
39:51It would be good to catch up with some old teammates as well.
39:53And I'm sure we'll enjoy the game.
39:55You see, with those charity games, what's the funnest part of it?
39:58Is it an actual game or is it just seeing your old mate?
40:00Surely it's a social now.
40:01Yeah, I think it's meeting up with ex-teammates or even players you play against.
40:06Whatever, I think there's a good vibe there.
40:09And obviously the game, some players will take it a bit more serious than...
40:13It's like I played Socrate last year and I'm playing against Vintage.
40:18So I know I can get everything you said like that.
40:21Or even now?
40:22Yeah.
40:23How?
40:24Because he takes everything serious and he's like...
40:26So he's like, Waz, don't...
40:29Just let's have an easy game.
40:30Don't run in behind.
40:31So naturally, every time...
40:32That's what you do.
40:33Every time Michael Calacook's ball is running behind.
40:36He's fearing with it, whatever.
40:37So yeah, there's little things in games and...
40:40Yeah, it's good to...
40:41I think more importantly, you're doing it for good courses when...
40:45Some charity games, but also...
40:47You go and have a bit of fun and see some of your likes to get into it.
40:50You let it out of sight.
40:51What was that...
40:52When we were talking about like Socrate, have you played in it?
40:56Yeah, I played in it.
40:57Him, me, him and Scalzi midfield.
41:00Who was hardest to play against?
41:02In Socrate?
41:03In Socrate, yeah.
41:04Yeah, but I don't...
41:05I'm going there to entertain the fans.
41:07Like I didn't go there with the mentality that...
41:10Like I have to fight and hustle to win.
41:13Yeah, what Tevez did.
41:15That's just him when he gets on the pitch in general.
41:17That's just Tevez anyway.
41:18That's Carlos.
41:19You get him on a training pitch, mate.
41:21You don't do it.
41:22No, he's horrendous.
41:23He's the worst trainer.
41:24Worst trainer in the world that I've ever played with anyway.
41:28Well, that's a statement.
41:29No, no, honestly, he don't move.
41:31If you play six...
41:32If you're playing a seven a side, you're a man down.
41:34Guaranteed.
41:35Guaranteed.
41:36Yeah, he's horrendous.
41:37But he doesn't stop running.
41:39Yeah, he saved it.
41:40He saved it all.
41:41He saved it all, did it?
41:42He saved all.
41:43Most important question, I'm worried.
41:44I don't know about you, but have you clocked...
41:45If he's in Korea, this podcast on Sunday, what time of day is this going to be?
41:49We're going to probably have to do it at like 3am or something, aren't we?
41:52Yeah, for me, you was in normal time.
41:54Oh, are we?
41:55Indeed.
41:56Oh, that's alright then, innit?
41:57See, they're happy now.
41:59They're happy now.
42:00They don't care no more.
42:01Do you know what I mean?
42:02I'm slightly nervous the podcast can be midway through the post-game night out though,
42:06so...
42:07Tune in on Monday, guys.
42:09No, I think states after the game is about 3am for me then.
42:13Oh, wow.
42:14Okay.
42:15Yeah, I'm eight hours ahead.
42:17Okay.
42:18But you're probably going to be jet lagged anyway, so you're not going to be able to
42:20get to bed at 3am.
42:21Yeah, no, I'll be awake anyway.
42:22Yeah, that's fine.
42:23Sean, thank you so much for joining us.
42:24Thanks for having me.
42:25You got any big plans going to Korea or anywhere fun this weekend?
42:28No, chill.
42:29I'm going to the Derby, aren't I, on Sunday?
42:31Oh, you're actually going?
42:32Yeah, I'll be up there, so I'll be watching it.
42:33Ah, nice.
42:34Well, enjoy that one, and we'll see how that one plays out.
42:35We will be back again on Monday.
42:37A reminder, you can watch the Wayne Rooney Show on the BBC Sport YouTube channel and on
42:41iPlayer, and you can also listen on BBC Sounds.
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