In this EXCLUSIVE interview with Asianet News English, Palestine's Ambassador to India, Abdullah Abu Shawesh, breaks down the latest on the Gaza Peace Plan, the controversy around the Hamas Charter, the situation of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, and the October 7 attacks. He also discusses the urgent humanitarian crisis in Gaza and shares insights on how the international community can help achieve a lasting two-state solution. Don't miss these critical perspectives on one of the world's most pressing conflicts. WATCH.
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00:00:00Can I provide you with tens if not hundreds of videos how did they used to kill the Palestinian people for fun?
00:00:07Will you dare, sorry to say that, will you accept to publish it?
00:00:10How will you decouple from Israel and how will you be able to self-rule the entire West Bank?
00:00:16It will take a long time I think.
00:00:18The one who supported Hamas, cemented Hamas, financed Hamas, funded Hamas is the current Israeli fidget from justice.
00:00:28I heard you, I heard you.
00:00:30Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:00:31Otherwise, zero sanction against Israel because they still treated Israel as the grumpy, spoily teenager.
00:00:38I sent a lot of requests to all the political party here and I start by the big political party, of course.
00:00:45But yet, it seems that their schedule is busy.
00:00:53So today I have the privilege of speaking with Palestinian Ambassador to India, Abdullah Abu Shavesh.
00:00:58His journey started from a refugee camp in Gaza and now to the highest circles of diplomacy.
00:01:06You are the voice of Palestine in India, but you've also served for eight years in the United Nations.
00:01:12So I really want to begin and I would appreciate if you talk about your journey, Ambassador.
00:01:16First, a little bit about how was your life in the refugee camp in Gaza, then how did you come to West Bank and then all of this.
00:01:25I thank you so much indeed, Hina and for having me today and of course for Asia News today for also being with us.
00:01:34Yes.
00:01:35Yes.
00:01:36As someone born in a refugee camp for a father who was descendant and a descendant of a refugee people whom was born, my father born in our old village, Berga.
00:01:49Yes.
00:01:50Yes.
00:01:51This Berga is in West Bank?
00:01:52No.
00:01:53It's in Gaza.
00:01:54Right now in Israel.
00:01:55Israel, okay.
00:01:56It's approximately 25 kilometers in the north of Gaza right now.
00:02:02And of course my grandfather and all of my family was there descendant from our ancient village, Berga.
00:02:10But I born in a refugee camp and to born in a refugee camp, this is a big story.
00:02:16Anyone know or anyone born as a refugee or in a refugee camp and they grow in a refugee camp that know how much he is suffering.
00:02:26In 1992 I moved from Gaza to West Bank.
00:02:30And you were of what age at that time?
00:02:331970.
00:02:34I was born in 1970.
00:02:35Okay.
00:02:36Yeah.
00:02:37But 1988…
00:02:38So around 22 years old you were.
00:02:39Yes.
00:02:40Because there is a gap between once I finished high school and went to the university because at that time it was the Antifada and all the universities were utterly complete.
00:02:52The Palestinian University, local universities closed.
00:02:56And to travel outside it wasn't a big issue due to the Israeli occupation.
00:03:01So that since 1988 till 1993 when I moved to start my education in Birzeit University, I graduated with BA degree in economy.
00:03:13Then master degree also in economy, professional diploma in marketing, and the B&B project management professional, beside many other courses.
00:03:22Of course then I became employee in the Ministry of Planning and International Cooperation under the supervision of my great leader and my great manager, Ilan Halevy.
00:03:36Ilan Halevy is a Jewish man.
00:03:38Okay.
00:03:39This is to your surprise.
00:03:40I know it's surprising that my first ever manager, my first ever one who guided me…
00:03:45How was he?
00:03:46He's the special representative of Yasser Arafat.
00:03:50Ilan, the late Ilan Halevy of course, a Jewish man of course, but a pure Palestinian.
00:03:55As a question, I mean, as someone who's belonging, he would belong to us as a Palestinian question.
00:04:05Then, of course, until 19, 2009, I did not have the privilege to travel outside the country at all.
00:04:17I even did not have the privilege to have a passport because Israel, according to the Israeli, they considering me, because I was born in Gaza and live in West Bank, they consider me as an infiltrator.
00:04:33I did not have the right to live in West Bank.
00:04:36So you applied for visa, but it did not…
00:04:38No, no, not visa.
00:04:39Okay.
00:04:40It's not visa.
00:04:41For West Bank?
00:04:42For West Bank, Gaza, there is two IDs.
00:04:44For the Gaza, we are classified as a Palestinian Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem, the refugee and the Palestinian who is inside Israel right now.
00:04:53We approximately are talking about five classification when it came to the ID itself, according to the Israeli, of course.
00:05:01But in 2009, they accepted that I became a resident in West Bank, so that the very first time ever in my life to travel, to exercise was the meaning of crossing the border, flying when I was 39 years old.
00:05:14And how about traveling from West Bank to New York for this UN position?
00:05:18I should cross, of course, to Amman, West Bank, Amman, Jordan, then from Amman to New York.
00:05:24But in 2014, I had been appointed or posted to become a member of our delegation there in New York.
00:05:32For people who want to go from West Bank to US or any other country, is it really difficult?
00:05:37Only one path, which is we should go to Amman, to Jordan and throw Amman to leave.
00:05:45Right, okay. And that process happens through Israel or is it the administrative work?
00:05:51No, no, no. The border is utterly, completely controlled by the Israeli occupation.
00:05:56So we should cross through the Israeli occupation, I mean checkpoints and all of this stuff. The border is controlled.
00:06:06Ambassador, coming to your tenure in the UN, that was also the time when in 2017 the US recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
00:06:17Yes.
00:06:18And you were the diplomat at that time in New York. How did you deal with it in terms of diplomacy?
00:06:22How did you promote dialogue regarding this particular issue?
00:06:26We have two main bodies when it came to the United Nations to deal with the political issue.
00:06:33But there is another six bodies for the six committees belonging to the General Assembly itself.
00:06:38But two main bodies, Security Council and the General Assembly.
00:06:43And the Security Council, everyone knows, and I'm not revealing a secret, when it came to the Palestinian question,
00:06:49Palestinian-Israeli issue, there is the elephant in the room, which is the American there,
00:06:54and they blocked everything that belongs to the peace process or anything related to the question of Palestine.
00:07:01They are offering the full, full, without any hesitation, the full support and the full shield, iron shield to Israel in the Security Council.
00:07:12Just to let you know that approximately some statistics is talking about 70 plus percent of their vetoed resilience,
00:07:21the vetoed resilience, the vetoed, the use of the veto by the American is used against the Palestinian people.
00:07:27During the last two years of the continuous genocide in Gaza,
00:07:31America itself used the veto six times to not stop the war on Gaza.
00:07:36I would like to go here.
00:07:38Yeah.
00:07:39Yeah.
00:07:40But back to your question, yes.
00:07:41So this body, which is completely paralyzed when it came to the Israeli-Palestinian issue,
00:07:46but the other body, which is, we used to go under the, what we call it, United for Peace,
00:07:53to the General Assembly, or the 10th emergency session, open-ended emergency session,
00:08:00so that we went to the United Nations General Assembly and we adopted a resolution.
00:08:06Of course, this resolution will make no difference when it came to the practical issue,
00:08:12once the United States recognized Jerusalem as the capital of, or eternal capital of the Jewish people.
00:08:20There is a lot of, in the wording itself, but to your surprise, this exact United State of America,
00:08:28when Israel adopted a law called for a United Jerusalem in 1980,
00:08:34this exact United State of America, which was adopted a resolution in the Security Council calling for,
00:08:42or considering the law, the Israeli law, is utterly non-valid, non-applied,
00:08:51and it is, again, the international law, and they called the international community
00:08:56not to move their embassies to Jerusalem.
00:09:00Just less than four decades ago, they completely went against the resolution
00:09:06that they adopted it and accepted it in the United.
00:09:11Ambassador, when we talk about the two-nation theory and two-state solution,
00:09:17how will it happen, even if you have a huge support from a lot of countries around the globe,
00:09:25how will it happen, because when we talk about West Bank,
00:09:28there are three administrative areas, area A, B and C,
00:09:31and there are a lot of Israeli military installations, Israeli infrastructure,
00:09:36a lot of management of land is being controlled by Israel,
00:09:40a lot of settlements, and, of course, there is more that we can talk about,
00:09:45how these Israeli settlements are operating, how they are benefiting, and all of that.
00:09:50With such a huge complex situation on ground in West Bank,
00:09:54how will you decouple from Israel, and how will you be able to self-rule the entire West Bank?
00:10:00It will take a long time, I think.
00:10:02Hina, I'm really surprised that you are well-educated about the Palestinian issue internal West Bank
00:10:09when you shed light on A, B, C areas and all of this stuff.
00:10:14Back just to your question, the issue of the two-state solution.
00:10:18We did not invent the wheel. This solution was on the international table, 1947.
00:10:27The birth certificate for the state of Israel, the same exact birth certificate, resolution 181.
00:10:36In this resolution, this resolution called for two states, one for the Jewish and one for the Palestinian.
00:10:46Unfortunately, only one state was, only one part of this resolution, or one part of this,
00:10:53I like to say it, call it a birth certificate, a birth certificate of the two-state solution.
00:11:02Only one part of this resolution was adopted, and adopted unfairly also,
00:11:08because this resolution or the birth certificate of Israel was calling to Israel to be built in only 54% of the historical land of Palestine,
00:11:19but Israel at that time was built in 78% of the historical land of Palestine.
00:11:25So that when we talk about two-state solution, it's there. We did not invent the wheel.
00:11:30It's there long time ago, 1947.
00:11:34But in the recent days, I mean the recent decades, 1993, when the BLO,
00:11:41the Palestinian Liberation Organization, except the two-state solution,
00:11:46and signed Oslo Accord, and all of this stuff.
00:11:50We signed it as a five years interval agreement.
00:11:56It should not be, it's a step forward, the two-state solution.
00:12:00But unfortunately, we found ourselves stuck in this issue.
00:12:05Once we sign it, we start with this then 120 settlement.
00:12:10Something like this.
00:12:11Today we are talking about between settlement and,
00:12:14they call it even, they call it illegal outpost.
00:12:18We are talking about 500 to 600 because every single day,
00:12:22they used to bring some caravans and to seize some of the Palestinian land
00:12:27and to start a new settlement.
00:12:31We, when we start the peace process itself,
00:12:34we are talking, we start with less than 150,000 settlers.
00:12:40Now we are talking about 750,000 plus of the criminal settlers,
00:12:46or if you want the exact name of them, illegal settlers.
00:12:50And the very exact name is, the vast majority of them is terrorist settler,
00:12:55terrorist Jewish settler, whom is in a daily pace conducting,
00:13:00conducting tens of attacks against the Palestinian people in the isolated village.
00:13:06So what I gathered from my reading is that these settlers are benefiting economically,
00:13:10but what you are saying is that they are also attacking normal civilian Palestinians inside of West Bank?
00:13:15In a daily pace, tens of attacks, those terrorist settlers,
00:13:20and I want to repeat it.
00:13:22Terrorist fanatic Jewish settlers,
00:13:25Messianic settlers,
00:13:27is conducting in a daily pace tens of terrorist attacks against the Palestinian in their village,
00:13:35in their isolated village.
00:13:38In a daily pace,
00:13:40tens of terror acts they are conducting against the Palestinian.
00:13:45I want to go back.
00:13:46And they also,
00:13:47all of them is militarized to the teeth.
00:13:50The area area.
00:13:51Not civilians,
00:13:52because many are talking about they are civilians.
00:13:55Absolutely, utterly not civilians.
00:13:56But they are running businesses in West Bank.
00:13:58I'm coming.
00:13:59It's not only business.
00:14:00They are benefiting from the business because Israel,
00:14:03Israel,
00:14:04and many other fanatic organization,
00:14:08especially in America,
00:14:09and many of it in Europe.
00:14:11I mean,
00:14:12the evangelical organization is supporting them to establish this settlement in West Bank.
00:14:22And the tax,
00:14:24and all of these stuff,
00:14:26they have a lot of privilege,
00:14:28so that a lot of the business,
00:14:30they are benefiting.
00:14:31Ambassador,
00:14:32I'm really sorry that I'm interrupting you here,
00:14:33but I am very intrigued with what I read,
00:14:37is that before 7 October 2023,
00:14:40Israel was actually collecting all the taxes,
00:14:43which it was gathering from the imports by the Palestinians,
00:14:47and then it was on a monthly basis giving it to the Palestinian Authority,
00:14:50so that it can later on pay the salaries of the Palestinians.
00:14:53Yes.
00:14:54But after 2023,
00:14:55it refused,
00:14:56because it said that the Palestinian Authority is actually paying salaries
00:14:59to the families of Hamas,
00:15:01to the families of the prisoners.
00:15:03How do you rebut that?
00:15:04I do know that there is an amendment,
00:15:06which Palestinian Authority did regarding that,
00:15:08but what is the current status?
00:15:10Just shed light on it.
00:15:12More than one issue.
00:15:13And again,
00:15:14really,
00:15:15I'm very proud that you are having all of these information.
00:15:18This is very important.
00:15:20They used to collect the money,
00:15:22because we imported through the Israeli borders,
00:15:25so that they collect the taxes,
00:15:27and they used to transfer the taxes to us.
00:15:30Yes.
00:15:31Since 2021.
00:15:32It's not October 2023.
00:15:342021, you're saying?
00:15:36Yes.
00:15:37The last ever full salary that I received,
00:15:40November 2021.
00:15:43How much are we talking about?
00:15:45Three billion dollars right now.
00:15:46Right now.
00:15:47Yes.
00:15:48Yes.
00:15:49Yes.
00:15:50Yes.
00:15:51Yes.
00:15:52Yes.
00:15:53Yes.
00:15:54Yes.
00:15:55Yes.
00:15:56Yes.
00:15:57Yes.
00:15:58Yes.
00:15:59Yes.
00:16:00Yes.
00:16:01Yes.
00:16:02Yes.
00:16:03Yes.
00:16:04Yes.
00:16:05Yes.
00:16:06Yes.
00:16:07Yes.
00:16:08Yes.
00:16:09Yes.
00:16:12Well,
00:16:13we're paying the money for the prisoners.
00:16:19We're paying the money for the terrorists.
00:16:21Yes.
00:16:22How do you the 대RET?
00:16:23I'm coming,
00:16:24I'm coming,
00:16:24I'm just tell you how they used to,
00:16:26but you are paying the money for the prisoners.
00:16:29Yes.
00:16:30When it came to the prisoners, without any doubt, all of them is a victim of the Israeli occupation.
00:16:39All the prisoners.
00:16:40Today we are talking about 11,000 prisoners.
00:16:43Let's talk about Hamas, the payments to Hamas.
00:16:45Because the justification.
00:16:49When you talk about 11,000 Palestinian hostages right now,
00:16:535,000 of them is serving an administrative detention.
00:16:57This administrative detention came from a law that imposed on your people 1919 by the bridge.
00:17:07The same exact bridge.
00:17:08Bring this law and the Israeli is using this law right now.
00:17:11Rawal...
00:17:12Rawal...
00:17:13Rawal...
00:17:14Rawal...
00:17:15Rawal...
00:17:16Yes, which led to the...
00:17:19Rawal...
00:17:20Rawal...
00:17:21Yes.
00:17:22The same exact law, 5,000 Palestinian right now.
00:17:26By the same exact law, serving administrative detention in the Israel.
00:17:30So, yes, we used to take care because those families, do you want us for the people who was killed at the hand of the Israeli occupation?
00:17:40Do you want us to let their women to begin in the streets?
00:17:45What about Hamas?
00:17:45I'm coming.
00:17:46This is just, I'm going to tell you who's there.
00:17:49Because I will talk about prisoners later on.
00:17:51Yes.
00:17:52Okay, if you want me to go to Hamas.
00:17:53Yes.
00:17:54No, we did not be Hamas.
00:17:55The one who's being Hamas, officially speaking, is the fugitive from justice, international justice, Benjamin Netanyahu, the current Israeli prime minister.
00:18:06Do you want me to approve it?
00:18:08Yes.
00:18:09It's my duty to...
00:18:10I have a follow-up question to this statement that you're giving.
00:18:12Yes.
00:18:13But let me just be repeated it because I want to stress it.
00:18:16The one who supported Hamas, cemented Hamas, financed Hamas, funded Hamas is the current Israeli fugitive from justice.
00:18:27I heard you.
00:18:28I heard you.
00:18:29Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:18:30I have a follow-up question to that.
00:18:32You know, when Israel attacked Qatar, there was a lot of debate going on around it and people said that, you know what, Israel was actually backing Qatar so that it can financially aid Hamas.
00:18:44Now, there are two conversations regarding it.
00:18:47First is that Israel wanted to support humanitarian aid.
00:18:50Where?
00:18:51In Gaza.
00:18:52And that is one of the reasons that they give, that this is the reason why they allowed the financial aid to flow from this Middle Eastern region to Hamas, in the hands of Hamas.
00:19:01And the second conversation is that they were trying to actually create a rift between Fateh and Hamas.
00:19:09Now, my question to you is, if you are saying that Benjamin Netanyahu has been supporting Hamas for so long,
00:19:17why did Hamas then, you know, did this attack on Israel on 7th of October 2023?
00:19:23No, but you did not give me the chance to continue.
00:19:26I asked you for this follow-up question so that you can further elaborate here.
00:19:28Yes, yes, of course.
00:19:29Back again.
00:19:30I already declared myself loud and clear the one who cement finance funded Hamas through the Qatar by request of Benjamin Netanyahu himself to the Qatarian brothers.
00:19:43We want you to support them.
00:19:45To do one thing, as you rightly mentioned, not to support the humanitarian issue in Gaza, just to maintain the rift.
00:19:52And this is a declared and declared position by again the Israeli Prime Minister himself.
00:19:59It's not our wording.
00:20:00He used to say who want to stand against the two-state solution.
00:20:05He should maintain the rift between Fateh and Hamas or the Palestinian Authority and Hamas itself.
00:20:11And so he should support and accept supporting Hamas in Gaza.
00:20:16So he wanted to divide and rule.
00:20:18That's what you're saying.
00:20:19It's a declared position.
00:20:20Anyone can't say.
00:20:21Okay.
00:20:22Thanks, Google.
00:20:23All of these in Google.
00:20:24It's not our word.
00:20:25We did not create the but we did not have the chance to tell this story to the people.
00:20:29Not more than that.
00:20:30Because again, the complicit media.
00:20:34Western media.
00:20:35Why do you say?
00:20:36Why do you target media?
00:20:38Because the media itself did not give us the chance to tell our story.
00:20:42Media is doing good job.
00:20:43Why?
00:20:44Why are you saying it?
00:20:45Because in West we often see pro-Palestinian protests happening.
00:20:48Wait a minute.
00:20:49This is reporting.
00:20:50Thank you so much.
00:20:51You already said something.
00:20:53This is reporting.
00:20:542,000 Palestinians, 5,000 Palestinians, 66,000 Palestinians.
00:20:58They have been killed.
00:20:59This is reporting.
00:21:00The story is completely different.
00:21:03The root of the issue is completely different.
00:21:06Even when they use the wording, how they declassified the Palestinian journalists.
00:21:14252 Palestinian journalists paid their life to tell the word the truth.
00:21:20They used to say that, but we want Israel to allow us.
00:21:24Not all the media, of course.
00:21:25I mean that in particular, in general.
00:21:28You are talking about the West.
00:21:29We want Israel to allow an independent media to enter.
00:21:34Which means by default, those 250 to 1 is not independent.
00:21:39This is their complicity.
00:21:41But Israel says that if they let this Palestinian media enter Gaza to report,
00:21:47they are actually hand in gloves with Hamas.
00:21:49What is your response to that?
00:21:50200?
00:21:51Okay.
00:21:52They are saying that they are actually, the evidence that they have found,
00:21:54the archives, the documents of Hamas, what they found,
00:21:57is their names are there in those documents.
00:21:59The name of the journalists.
00:22:00The 252 journalists.
00:22:01I am not sure about that particular number.
00:22:03But the journalists who have entered Gaza to report there.
00:22:06Not entered.
00:22:07They are from Gaza.
00:22:08Specifically of.
00:22:09No, no.
00:22:10They are from Gaza.
00:22:11All of those journalists are from Gaza.
00:22:12Okay.
00:22:13What about your colleagues, Shireen Abu Aqla?
00:22:17Three years ago, when they assassinated and targeted her.
00:22:21Shireen is not Hamas.
00:22:23Shireen is a Christian woman.
00:22:25Shireen is from West Bank.
00:22:26Shireen is an American citizen.
00:22:28But they intentionally targeted and killed her.
00:22:32To make sure that they were going to stifle her voice.
00:22:35The 2025 journalists who was targeted and assassinated is Hamas.
00:22:41Let me just, I gave you one example.
00:22:44One very clear example.
00:22:46And Israel, Israel itself, did not claim that the 252,000,
00:22:51the 252 journalists is Hamas.
00:22:54Did not.
00:22:55Even Israel did not claim that.
00:22:57They claimed that just Anas al-Sharif.
00:22:59Two months ago, Anas al-Sharif is Hamas.
00:23:02They claimed that.
00:23:03But the question is, Anas used to report from the street with his camera and cameraman.
00:23:09Day and night from Gaza.
00:23:11From all over Gaza.
00:23:12But they chose to target him alongside another five journalists.
00:23:18Not to target him when he was reporting in the street.
00:23:21This is the exact intentional policy to execute and to stifle the Palestinian voice.
00:23:28If you are going to hunt Anas al-Sharif.
00:23:33And for sake of argument, I totally utterly agree with for sake of argument.
00:23:37That he's a Hamas man.
00:23:39But you did not killed him.
00:23:40Or you did not target him for two years approximately.
00:23:43You left him freely for two years.
00:23:45Then when you decide to target him, to kill him, to assassinate him.
00:23:49You choose to kill him while he's sit in the tent with another five journalists.
00:23:56So you, one word loud and clear.
00:24:00Israel is targeting them intentionally.
00:24:02It's not because he's Hamas.
00:24:04Can I, just because you already opened a very important question.
00:24:09Who financed Hamas? Who funded Hamas?
00:24:12Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:24:13Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:24:14And let me give you another example.
00:24:16We used, in Gaza, we used to import the electricity from Israel.
00:24:21We did not control Gaza as a Palestinian authority.
00:24:24The one who controlled it before the war is Hamas.
00:24:28The one who collect the money from the people, from my family there, is Hamas.
00:24:33So who's paying the bill?
00:24:35We, the Palestinian authority.
00:24:37Who enforce us to pay the bill, the electricity bill?
00:24:40Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:24:41When we discuss this officially with them, with the Israeli side.
00:24:45We should not pay the bill to them.
00:24:47You should take the bill from them directly.
00:24:50I mean the money.
00:24:51He refused.
00:24:52He is the one.
00:24:53And enforce us by force, by power.
00:24:56He has deducted the electricity bill from the Palestinian revenue,
00:25:00Palestinian national authority revenue.
00:25:02While he's knowing that Hamas is collecting it from the people in Gaza to fund her.
00:25:08Why do you think that there, what is the reason why there has been no sanctions against Israel so far?
00:25:17What could be the reason?
00:25:18But to complete the picture, you should, I sorry to say that.
00:25:22No, you were talking about economical.
00:25:23Yes.
00:25:24Yes.
00:25:25Yes.
00:25:26Yes.
00:25:27I'm coming to complete no sanctions against Israel.
00:25:28While Russia.
00:25:29Yeah.
00:25:30Yeah.
00:25:31They impose on it 30,000 different, different type of sanctions.
00:25:34But Israel.
00:25:35That's a hypocrisy of US.
00:25:36No.
00:25:37And the Western country.
00:25:38It's not the US only.
00:25:40But also with all due respect, the Western country and the international community.
00:25:44Even those countries have actually recognized the state of Palestine.
00:25:47And the international community.
00:25:49You recognize the state of Palestine, X or Y.
00:25:52And you stand strong against the, you stand strong to back and to support the two state solution.
00:25:59And you, your official position is that the settlement, the illegal settlement.
00:26:06Your official position in X and Y country is the settlement is illegal.
00:26:10And the main obstacle to the two state solution.
00:26:13Then you allow the settlement to trade.
00:26:16And you, your countries trading with the settlement.
00:26:19Investing in the settlement.
00:26:20And all the products in the settlement is flooding.
00:26:23And flooding your market and, excuse me.
00:26:28Hypocrisy.
00:26:2930 different, 30,000 different type of sanctions against Russia.
00:26:33With, except of course, Spain.
00:26:36They imposed some sanctions.
00:26:38But otherwise, zero sanctions against Israel.
00:26:41Because they still treated Israel as the grumpy, spoily teenager.
00:26:46This is the hypocrisy.
00:26:48This is the double standard.
00:26:50Right.
00:26:51So, did I answer you?
00:26:54Do you want me to give you more proof that Israel and the current fugitive from justice,
00:26:59the Israeli Prime Minister, is whom as well financing Hamas?
00:27:03Do you want more proof?
00:27:04There are two schools that have thought on it.
00:27:06No.
00:27:07It's a fact.
00:27:08It's not our word.
00:27:09So, when we used to say that we want, we want an independent, international,
00:27:15investigation committee or fact-finding mission to come to investigate what happened before
00:27:21October 7, in October 7, and after October 7, we mean it.
00:27:26When we used to say that this is not our word.
00:27:29This is the Israeli wording.
00:27:31You are the one who funded Hamas.
00:27:33This is not our word.
00:27:34Google it.
00:27:35But Israel says that it wanted to...
00:27:38Even he himself did not deny this issue.
00:27:41But he used to justify it by saying...
00:27:44Israel says that it was hopeful that somehow Hamas will be able to take the political control
00:27:49of Gaza and have peace there.
00:27:51Okay, great.
00:27:52So, we agree that, and they agree that they funded Hamas, for a sake of other issue.
00:27:59But they did not accomplish this issue.
00:28:01But who funded Hamas?
00:28:02Who cemented Hamas?
00:28:03Israel.
00:28:04One word loud and clear.
00:28:05And they themselves...
00:28:06Iran also backed Hamas.
00:28:07100%.
00:28:08There are so many tunnels from where the weapons flood Gaza.
00:28:09The tunnels.
00:28:10Very important question.
00:28:11When is the last time did you hear about the tunnels?
00:28:12Most recently, I think.
00:28:13No.
00:28:14The tunnels was...
00:28:15demonating the discourse, the underground tunnels, at the very beginning of the war.
00:28:34Then, I can assure you, today you will not find any single word in the Israeli media
00:28:40or the complicit media.
00:28:41I'm coming.
00:28:42I'm coming.
00:28:43I'm gonna tell you why.
00:28:44All the complicit western media regarding the tunnels.
00:28:47The tunnels are utterly removed from the discourse for one reason.
00:28:51Because you justified the war in Gaza and Hamas because they are in the tunnel.
00:28:57Then you are killing the people on the ground, in their homes.
00:29:01But the tunnels are under the infrastructure.
00:29:03So, if you will continue to say tunnels and killing the people on the surface, on the ground,
00:29:10above the...
00:29:11above the...
00:29:12not in the tunnel.
00:29:13This means that you are saying something not logic.
00:29:16What?
00:29:17So, they removed the...
00:29:18I can assure you, in the Israeli media there is no...
00:29:21But the infrastructure, the hospitals...
00:29:23Yes, it's there.
00:29:24Everything is above the tunnel.
00:29:25The...
00:29:26The hostages?
00:29:27Israel is the only one.
00:29:29It might be more than the...
00:29:31The Hamas political leader knowing, know where exactly the hostages.
00:29:36And they know that.
00:29:37They know that.
00:29:38They know that.
00:29:39They know that where exactly.
00:29:40If they knew, why didn't they...
00:29:41Because it's a complicated war zone.
00:29:43That's it.
00:29:44But Israel, according to their media, according to their intelligence, according to the reports
00:29:50that it came from their side, is knowing exactly where is the hostages.
00:29:55What about the dead bodies of the hostages?
00:29:5828 of them.
00:29:59I hope...
00:30:00You ask us about our official position or the...
00:30:04I'm not there.
00:30:05Okay, let me pause this.
00:30:06But if you ask about our official position, whether it is hostages or dead bodies, all the
00:30:14hostages should not be taken from scratch.
00:30:17Is it clear?
00:30:18And this is our clear position.
00:30:20Yeah.
00:30:21When we talk about all the hostages, we mean also the Palestinian hostages.
00:30:25We would not mean only the Israeli hostages.
00:30:28Each hostages should back to his family yesterday, this moment, after one minute, no one
00:30:35should be in captivity for one single minute.
00:30:40Hmm.
00:30:41When we talk about the dead body, do you know how many dead bodies for the Palestinian
00:30:47in Israel since 1967?
00:30:50I want to keep this focused because I will talk about this issue also, but I want to keep
00:30:55it focused here.
00:30:56One thing, I will come to the PSD later on, but I want to talk about the two-state solution.
00:31:03Now, East Jerusalem is one territory which is, of course, very contested territory.
00:31:08What are you saying?
00:31:09Okay, okay.
00:31:10I will back.
00:31:11Okay.
00:31:12Yeah.
00:31:13So, West Bank says that it wants to have the capital in East Jerusalem, but according to
00:31:18the recent reports, what we found is that Israel is trying to build settlements in between
00:31:22East Jerusalem and West Bank so that there is no continuity.
00:31:26Yes.
00:31:27If all of this is happening and my first question which I pose to you that there are so many
00:31:31settlements inside of West Bank, how is this entire plan going to work out?
00:31:37Yes.
00:31:38We should all the time rely on the international law, on the international adapted resolution,
00:31:48in the security council resolution and general assembly resolution.
00:31:52And the principle is, of course, of the human right, the human right, the universal human
00:31:59right declaration and all of this stuff.
00:32:01The very basic human right fundamental human right is the self-determination, which is human
00:32:12right.
00:32:13When it came to, because you became independent as India, based on this set towards self-determination,
00:32:22the full right to self-determination.
00:32:24And all the countries whom was enduring, occupation, colonization, became free people, based on
00:32:33this very principle, very, very essential.
00:32:36When it came to the East Jerusalem, according to the international law, it's an occupied territory.
00:32:42One word loud and clear.
00:32:44And the Israeli themselves cannot stand against the international law.
00:32:49But since the mighty create right, and this is the logic of power, and they are fully supported
00:32:56by many Western countries, I'm not revealing a secret when I say that also by the United States
00:33:01of America, I'm not revealing a secret when I say that the current messianic fanatic ambassador
00:33:07of the U.S. to the United, to Israel, is also believing that there is no such thing called
00:33:14a Palestinian people.
00:33:16He did not believe this is in a West Bank.
00:33:18It's Judea and Samaria, the public name of our land.
00:33:22So, when it came to East Jerusalem, according to the international law, it's the occupied territory.
00:33:29So, when we talk about two-state solution, we talk about one unity, geographical unity,
00:33:34Gaza, West Bank, including East Jerusalem, to build the state of Palestine, which consists
00:33:41only 22% of our historical land.
00:33:45And when I say our historical land, we still have the title deeds, the official document
00:33:51that we own this land.
00:33:53Israel, till today, managing our property in Israel by special law, every one of you can
00:34:00find it, absent the property law.
00:34:03Period.
00:34:04This is our land and we accept for peace.
00:34:07So, you will not accept the two-state solution if it does not include Gaza and East Jerusalem?
00:34:14Should I say so?
00:34:15It's the agreed, it's not only our position, it's the international position.
00:34:20It's the global position.
00:34:23It's the agreed position.
00:34:25I want to understand the stance of Palestinian Authority.
00:34:28Palestinian Authority.
00:34:29Yes.
00:34:30Palestinian Authority.
00:34:31Palestinian Authority.
00:34:32Palestinian Authority.
00:34:33Yeah.
00:34:34What, what, which land you would vouch that it needs to come under Palestinian land?
00:34:40All the land, all the lands that occupied in 1960.
00:34:43So, Gaza, East Jerusalem and West Bank.
00:34:45Yes, and West Bank.
00:34:46Yes.
00:34:47You will not accept anything less than that.
00:34:4922% of our historical land.
00:34:51When I say our historical land, I mean it.
00:34:53We still have the title deeds, the official document that this is our land.
00:34:57Israel is still managing our property inside Israel by special law.
00:35:02So, the two-state solution then seems to be decades away because we have the peace plan
00:35:07which is still not, has come to friction.
00:35:09Yes, because of the Israeli barriers.
00:35:11And then we have the problem in East Jerusalem.
00:35:14Yes.
00:35:15That's an occupied territory.
00:35:16There are settlements going on between West Bank and East Jerusalem.
00:35:19So, I think it's, we are talking about a couple of decades more if we talk about the two-state solution.
00:35:26No, why?
00:35:27Why?
00:35:28If there is no will, there is no way.
00:35:30I'm going to give you one example from the history.
00:35:331956, France, British and Israel attacked Egypt for the Swiss Canal and all of this stuff.
00:35:42Then Israel occupied Gaza Strip and Sinai Banesinola.
00:35:47It took them between the Soviet Union at that time.
00:35:54It took the American president one phone call.
00:35:57Do you want me to repeat that?
00:35:58There is a will.
00:35:59One phone call to Ingrion, to the Godfather of Israel.
00:36:03Tonight you should withdraw from Sinai Banesinola and Gaza.
00:36:07Tonight.
00:36:09One phone call.
00:36:11Well.
00:36:12At that time there was a will.
00:36:14And he withdrew.
00:36:16But the US and the administration.
00:36:18I'm sorry.
00:36:19Because I should finish.
00:36:20So, if we agree that if there is no will, there is no way.
00:36:25Hope is always there.
00:36:26Of course.
00:36:27How did you became independent people without the hope?
00:36:30How your ancestors became independent.
00:36:31True.
00:36:32How much you endured.
00:36:3435 to 45 million Indians buried their life.
00:36:38But you became independent because you saw your ancestors saw that light at the end of the tunnel.
00:36:44We are like you.
00:36:45We will not became a slave for anyone.
00:36:48We are copying you.
00:36:49But again, if there is a will, there is a way.
00:36:53What is the main obstacle for the two-state solution?
00:36:56You already said.
00:36:57The settlement.
00:36:59Stifle the settlement.
00:37:02Strangulate the settlement.
00:37:04Don't make it as international community.
00:37:07Don't make it a profit project.
00:37:09Stop trading with the settlement.
00:37:12Stop flying to Israel.
00:37:14Stop accepting in your countries.
00:37:16The ambassador of Israel to be a settler.
00:37:19Stop allowing any settler to enter your land.
00:37:24Stop funding the settlement.
00:37:26Today, America, if the American international community, European country, Israel decided your bank account, you will not receive forever any single dollar or any single penny in your personal account.
00:37:41personal bank account.
00:37:44You will be there.
00:37:45I want to come to this point.
00:37:46So they can do it.
00:37:47They can do it.
00:37:48I want to come to this point that you just raised.
00:37:52Given the fact that in US we have Trump administration, who has actually cut down funding for the Palestinians, who have cut down funding for UNRWA, have moved to the embassy, have recognized Jerusalem in 2017.
00:38:07Given this kind of administration in power, do you think that the Gaza peace plan will be according to the wills of the Palestinians?
00:38:16More than one issue.
00:38:18First and foremost, it was not just with President Trump.
00:38:22President Trump, the US position towards the Palestinian people, long time.
00:38:26Even before President Trump had a dream to become President of the US.
00:38:31Since the very first ever moment of establishing Israel, seven minutes after declaring a state of Israel, America the first ever one to recognize Israel, without taking any move towards recognizing the Palestinian people at that time.
00:38:47So America, historically, is not only President Trump.
00:38:53But again, it was not started with President Trump administration itself.
00:38:59It is a long time before President Trump himself.
00:39:02But with President Trump first, of course, first term, you already mentioned Shed Lighton, what is the devastating moves he took against us.
00:39:12Also, we used to judge the people based on their attitudes towards our struggle.
00:39:19This is very important.
00:39:21We did not judge them because we love or we did not love them or their rhetoric itself.
00:39:27We judge them based on their attitude towards our struggle.
00:39:32Okay.
00:39:33I want to come to the Gaza peace plan now.
00:39:38The Gaza peace plan, the first phase, I want to skip because we will see more unfold happening on Monday and Tuesday.
00:39:47But coming to the second phase of the Gaza peace plan, do you think that Hamas will be ready to disarm itself completely?
00:39:55First and foremost, I'm wondering why you would call it a peace plan.
00:40:01If the owner of it call it comprehensive plan to end the conflict in Gaza.
00:40:06Let's say it to him.
00:40:07But again, wording, I am the son of the United Nations.
00:40:12And the first lesson that I brought to say that I learned it.
00:40:16I learned it from an Indian colleague.
00:40:18Words have a meaning.
00:40:19Words have a meaning.
00:40:20Words, wording.
00:40:21He, exactly, sharply.
00:40:22It was in conference room five or six at that day.
00:40:26Words have a meaning.
00:40:28I was very new at that time, but I like it.
00:40:31Then I started realizing that there is a big difference between coma and semi-coma in the international law.
00:40:41It is official name, comprehensive plan to put and to end the conflict in Gaza.
00:40:47So our official position, because before I shed light on it, we are, President Abbas,
00:40:55the own Palestinian authority with any decent effort, honored effort that gonna put an end to the bloodshed in Gaza,
00:41:03to the genocide, to the textbook genocide, to the war in Gaza, with any effort that will make sure that there is no more people will go,
00:41:12more, no, no more entire family will going to erupt, to erase from...
00:41:18What about the disarmament?
00:41:19I'm coming, I'm coming.
00:41:20We are with any decent effort, because discipline is talking about this, which is very important.
00:41:25That will guarantee no more child will die due to the malnutrition and starvation.
00:41:31We are with any decent effort that will guarantee our people is not going to sleep without food.
00:41:39My family is there.
00:41:40I'm not telling you something.
00:41:41I'm telling you what my, me in person is suffering in a daily pace since two years and three days.
00:41:48This is the issue.
00:41:50We are also with any decent effort that will guarantee no amputated arms or legs will went without anesthesia.
00:42:02And this happened, and we have video to this.
00:42:05We are with any decent effort that will guarantee there is a sufficient amount of pain killer.
00:42:12Could you imagine we are lake of the pain killer in Gaza?
00:42:15There are about 5,000 amputations.
00:42:18We are talking about 45, according to the recent report, or recent report from the United Nations.
00:42:2445,000 whom already endured a life-changing injury.
00:42:30One more life-changing injury.
00:42:31One more life.
00:42:32One more life.
00:42:33Five thousand whom is imputated.
00:42:34Paralyzed people.
00:42:35Put aside the trauma, any child, any pregnant women suffer, suffered malnutrition.
00:42:47It's a life-changing injury.
00:42:50To the peace, to the Gaza Comprehensive.
00:42:55Yes, we are fully endorsing it, and we consider it step forward.
00:42:58You are endorsing the disarmament of Hamas, complete disarmament.
00:43:01This is our official position.
00:43:02And I should say, who stands against it?
00:43:05Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:43:06We just to disarmament, because two things.
00:43:10When we talk about disarmament, again, international law.
00:43:14This means that there is an army stand against the 15 power in the rank, Israel.
00:43:22The nuclear power.
00:43:23Which is not true.
00:43:24Hamas is not army.
00:43:26Hamas is utterly not army.
00:43:28And we saw, and we know that, and everyone is knowing that.
00:43:31So that, when we talk about disarmament, according to the international law,
00:43:35chemical weapons, arsenal weapons, jets, tanks.
00:43:43This is not that true.
00:43:44But again, disarmament.
00:43:46We will going to accept that.
00:43:48Because we, we, we, on first to accept ceasefire,
00:43:51which should not be called ceasefire in the war on Gaza.
00:43:55But we accepted it, and disarmament.
00:43:57This is our official position as a Palestinian national authority.
00:44:01We used to call long time ago for one,
00:44:04one legitimate security for us.
00:44:07Let me repeat that.
00:44:08One legitimate security for us.
00:44:11Not army.
00:44:12Even our declared position.
00:44:14We want to build a state without army.
00:44:17Is it fair?
00:44:19Without army.
00:44:20We did not want to have tanks.
00:44:22We would not to have, want to have,
00:44:25nuclear power and all of this stuff.
00:44:28Just legitimate security for us.
00:44:32This means that we are fully, and before the war,
00:44:38we, this is our official position,
00:44:41even when we used to discuss the unity with Hamas.
00:44:44But when we talk about security, definitely, most definitely,
00:44:47I do not think that Palestinian authorities would want to give weapons to Hamas,
00:44:51when we talk about security.
00:44:53No, security for, legitimate security.
00:44:55Legitimate security, that's not Hamas.
00:44:57Legitimate security for us Palestinian soldiers, Palestinian cops, Palestinian, I mean, Palestinian security men.
00:45:10Who are going to deal with the security issue?
00:45:13Period.
00:45:14If you have a state, we need to have security.
00:45:15It's not Hamas.
00:45:16It's not Fatih.
00:45:17It's not.
00:45:18Should not.
00:45:19When we say legitimate, this even should not be belong to the Fatih or Hamas or anyone.
00:45:25We did not seeking a militia.
00:45:27Legitimate security for us.
00:45:29Period.
00:45:30There is one comment which actually made me think, why so?
00:45:35Which is, why don't you accept that Hamas is a terrorist organization?
00:45:41Can I ask you, did you accept Bahagat Singh to be a terrorist man?
00:45:47I failed to understand why do you give that analogy.
00:45:50Yes, yes.
00:45:51The comparison is very important.
00:45:52Because who's telling us or who should say that this is a terrorist or not a terrorist?
00:45:59Do we, as a Palestinian, we have two positions.
00:46:04We utterly against what did Hamas conducted in October 7.
00:46:10100%, it's not 99%.
00:46:13But the question is, who's classified Hamas?
00:46:17But before Hamas, just let me let you know that even the BLO, Palestinian Liberation Organization,
00:46:24which is recognized by Israel as the sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people,
00:46:29is still in America classified as a terrorist organization.
00:46:35So, it's matter of who classifying us?
00:46:39Who classifying our people?
00:46:41But Ambassador, why are these parents?
00:46:42Who classifying us?
00:46:43Israel?
00:46:44The occupation?
00:46:45I understand that you have objection of BLO being classified as a terrorist organization in the US.
00:46:50That I completely accept.
00:46:52But why do not classify and even say from your official stance that yes, what Hamas did was a terrorist act?
00:47:01Let me just, again, borrow your, if it is possible.
00:47:04Of course, I know that you, many times, many of the Indian people did not want me to touch that.
00:47:09But even during the 1930s.
00:47:12But Bhagat Singh, when you talk about Bhagat Singh, he did not kill civilians.
00:47:17No, can I make Bhagat Singh accused of being a terrorist and hanged to death because they accused him, not you and me.
00:47:26We never saw an Israeli defense official dragging people at the back of the truck, spitting on them, kidnapping them.
00:47:37Can, can.
00:47:38Why don't you say that?
00:47:39Wait a minute.
00:47:40What happened on 7th October.
00:47:41Wait a minute.
00:47:42Wait a minute.
00:47:43Wait a minute.
00:47:44Wait a minute.
00:47:45Wait a minute.
00:47:46You did not see.
00:47:47Can I provide you with tens, if not hundreds of videos, how did they used to kill the Palestinian people for fun?
00:47:52Will you dare, sorry to say that, will you accept to publish it?
00:47:56Can I provide you with tens of videos how the settler terrorist gangs in West Bank killing the Palestinian and enduring even,
00:48:05did not endure even one hour in the jail?
00:48:08Can I, I gave you this and will you be able to publish it?
00:48:14And if this is the classification of the terror, I'm willing, 100% accepted that.
00:48:20But give us the chance, you in particular, to shed light or to show you, to show you how did the Israeli terrorists, soldiers, killing the Palestinian.
00:48:31Give me the chance to show you videos, photos of how did they trample by their tanks, the Palestinian people in Gaza.
00:48:40Give us the chance to show you some of the real videos, how did they killed and assassinated the Palestinian.
00:48:47Is this the definition of terror?
00:48:49Thank you so much.
00:48:50We already let them bring the videos from October 7th and let us bring the videos.
00:48:55All the videos since 1948 till today, what did we have videos and evidence, evidence that they conducted a terror act against us.
00:49:05And let us classify what the meaning of terror, but back to your history.
00:49:09During the 1930s, two schools of thought to liberate India.
00:49:14One led by one of the prominent figures of it is the late, the great murder, Bahagat Singh.
00:49:22And the other school of thought was led by the great leader, of course, Gandhi.
00:49:31Both the school of thought is completely, utterly opposite.
00:49:38But did Gandhi denounce or declare that Bahagat Singh is a terror?
00:49:45Now let us just move on.
00:49:46Wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:49:47Because, because wording.
00:49:49I do understand.
00:49:51I do understand that.
00:49:52I was just trying to understand why would you hesitate?
00:49:55No, because they want even the word terror is not our creation.
00:49:59It's basically what you are saying.
00:50:01The word terror was created by the colonial powers.
00:50:06And one of the first people who accused of being terror is your people.
00:50:13But did we agree with Hamas?
00:50:15Are we an agreement with Hamas?
00:50:17Utterly no.
00:50:18We exercise the military resistance long time ago and fattach.
00:50:23Yasser Arafat himself, the current president,
00:50:27used, they classified him as a terror.
00:50:29But now they removed the terror and added another objective to him.
00:50:33Terrorist diplomat.
00:50:35President Abbas, the signatory of Oslo, the one who accept to build our state
00:50:42in only 22% of our historical land.
00:50:45They accused him officially.
00:50:47They officially declared that he is a terrorist diplomat.
00:50:50It's a diplomat.
00:50:51Classification is there.
00:50:52Three classification.
00:50:53When it came to Israel.
00:50:55For me as a Palestinian, I'm a terror.
00:50:57One word loud and clear even if I...
00:51:00If he is just one hour old.
00:51:05He's a terrorist but still in a process.
00:51:09Terrorist.
00:51:10We are all of us terrorists.
00:51:12And the good one for them, the good Palestinian is the dead one.
00:51:16Period.
00:51:17And this is a declared position.
00:51:18You can...
00:51:19All of these words were there.
00:51:21The second classification, you, Henia.
00:51:23If you dare to criticize the Israeli occupation, you are anti-Semitic.
00:51:28Whether you like it.
00:51:30Whether you know what the meaning of anti-Semitic or did not know it.
00:51:33It's yours.
00:51:34You are anti-Semitic.
00:51:35One word loud and clear.
00:51:37The third classification is for the Jewish themselves.
00:51:40And I start by telling you that my first ever boss in the Minister of Planning is a Jewish man.
00:51:46But he's according to them, he's a self-hate Jew.
00:51:49Hundred, if not thousand, of the Jewish in America, the outspoken persons, writers, novelists,
00:51:58whom is defending the Palestinian question in America, is Jewish people.
00:52:02But all of them is a hate self-Jew.
00:52:07Do you condemn the attacks on Jewish people across the globe?
00:52:13One hundred percent.
00:52:16If you target someone because he's a Muslim or Jew or X or Y, this is a condemnation.
00:52:23We should not think two times.
00:52:25And the one, but because you opened the floor.
00:52:29The one who was attacking them based on their religion is the European, not us.
00:52:35When they used to endure a harsh suffering in Europe, the most safe haven to the Jewish.
00:52:45And we used to call them our brother by the end of the day because they are part of our, at that time,
00:52:51before the establishment of the State of Israel, they are part of the Arab fabric, political fabric.
00:52:58They are leaders.
00:53:00In Iraq, the most significant leaders, politicians, musicians,
00:53:06financially speaking traders, is the Jewish people.
00:53:11In Egypt, the same.
00:53:12In every world, they were the same.
00:53:14The one who attacked them based on their religion.
00:53:17And it was not only from 1940 or 1930.
00:53:20Through the history, they used to be expelled in Europe.
00:53:23Not in.
00:53:24And when they used to find the safe haven place, it is in the Middle East.
00:53:29And they used to say, yes, anyone, believe that he is, or you treated me or judge me based on my religion that I did not choose it.
00:53:41Based on my sex that I did not choose it.
00:53:44Based on my nationality that I did not choose it.
00:53:47It's utterly condemned.
00:53:49Israel says that this is the only land they can have.
00:53:53This is the only land for Jews people.
00:53:55Palestinians, they have so many Arab neighboring nations.
00:53:59You know, Muslim Brotherhood, all of that.
00:54:02And Israel says that this is the only, no, this is the argument that Israel gives.
00:54:06No, they give more than this.
00:54:08They used to say that this is their promised land.
00:54:10No, that, I don't want to get into that debate.
00:54:13But I have, we should, because they use, based on their, this is the promised land they came to here.
00:54:19But they say that they are persecuted across the globe.
00:54:23This is the only land where they feel safe.
00:54:25Okay.
00:54:26So we should expel because they are feel safe.
00:54:29If the, if the Palestinian got forbidden, have the nuclear weapons or that much of power, then they came to X or Y country.
00:54:39And the occupied part of, sorry to say that, one of these countries.
00:54:43And we are not safe in Gaza.
00:54:45So that you should accept that I should expel X and Y of those local people, indigenous people, because I'm safe.
00:54:53But they feel threatened.
00:54:54Why do they feel threatened?
00:54:56Why did they feel threatened?
00:54:58Why did they feel threatened?
00:54:59Once you conduct a war, a crime.
00:55:02Once you are, sorry, once anyone criminal, he will all the time feel that he's threatened.
00:55:08Because he's wanted.
00:55:09Now, again, the current Prime Minister, Israeli Prime Minister, his classification according to the international law.
00:55:17Fugitive, because he's wanted to the ICC.
00:55:20Fugitive from international justice forward.
00:55:25He should not feel safe.
00:55:27So that when he went to United States, just one month ago.
00:55:31Who do you blame for the killing of Rabin?
00:55:33The current Prime Minister.
00:55:35Why?
00:55:36Is there any evidence to that?
00:55:37You ask me, but there is another one, a criminal one in the Israeli cabinet right now, Ben Geber.
00:55:44And Ben Geber himself was accused of conducting a terror attack, inciting, sorry, not conducting.
00:55:52Yes, yes, yes, inciting, I should, inciting for terror.
00:55:57So that even he did not serve in the Israeli army because they consider him inciting for terror and hate speech and all of this stuff.
00:56:07Even the Israeli army did not accepting Ben Geber, the current Israeli minister, to serve in the army itself.
00:56:15The one who said loud and declared in the camera that we succeed to reach Rabin, to his car, and we will succeed to reach to him.
00:56:23It's the current.
00:56:24Ben Geber, it's not our world.
00:56:27Who killed Rabin?
00:56:29Who inciting against him is the current Israeli Prime Minister and one of his cabinet.
00:56:36Of course, alongside of course the settlers and all of this stuff.
00:56:40Those fanatic Messianic people.
00:56:43Ambassador, when we talk about, want to go back to my earlier question, disarmament of Hamas.
00:56:49I do know that the BLO changed, amended its charter to include, to acknowledge the existence of Israel and also remove the harsh wording of the rebellion.
00:57:02Do you think that Hamas will also change its charter, will reprint it?
00:57:07The question is, when we change our charter, we change it as a BLO, the senior liberation organization.
00:57:14No, I'm talking about the charter.
00:57:16I'm coming.
00:57:17Because I should put it in this legal frame.
00:57:20True.
00:57:21Which is the Palestinian liberation organization, according to India, is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.
00:57:28True.
00:57:29So the one who should recognize Israel and amend their charter is the BLO, the sole and legitimacy of the Palestinian people.
00:57:39But to ask anyone, when we sign Oslo Accord, we sign it with the government of Israel.
00:57:46True.
00:57:47We did not sign it with the Likud.
00:57:48And we will not going ask the Likud or any political faction to change his mind.
00:57:54Likud itself, if you read his charter, it's the most radical charter against the Palestinian people.
00:58:04It's not only the Likud and other political faction, but we will not and we should not ask them to change their charter at all.
00:58:11Because this is not our business.
00:58:13We already sign Oslo Accord with the government of Israel.
00:58:17True.
00:58:18We need to ask Fatih, Hamas, popular...
00:58:21But when we talk about Gaza...
00:58:23India...
00:58:24Wait, I'm coming.
00:58:26Gaza should be part of the state of Palestine.
00:58:30Gaza should be governed by the Palestinian Authority.
00:58:33Palestinian Authority is the son of the legitimate son of the legitimate and sole representative of the Palestinian people.
00:58:40When it came again to India, how many political factions you have?
00:58:45Tens.
00:58:46So many, yeah.
00:58:47When His Excellency, the Prime Minister went to X or Y country to sign...
00:58:56Yeah, that I understood.
00:58:57An agreement.
00:58:58He signed it on behalf of India.
00:58:59The country, yeah.
00:59:00Not on behalf of X or Y.
00:59:02And other countries will not ask him, but we want this particular...
00:59:06That's true.
00:59:07But I want to come back to the disarmament of Hamas.
00:59:10I'm just trying to get your opinion.
00:59:11Do you think that it will change its charter?
00:59:13Because that's very important for Hamas to actually recognize prominently the existence of Israel.
00:59:19Yes.
00:59:20We have, again, our declared...
00:59:22Hamas is an engagement in communication with Hamas.
00:59:24Okay.
00:59:25Yes.
00:59:26We are in communication with Hamas.
00:59:28And, again, the charter is individual for a political faction.
00:59:32Will the Likud accept the amended charter and to remove from it the charter, the issue of...
00:59:39But you're talking about the issue in Gaza.
00:59:41I'm coming back.
00:59:42Why do you want to concentrate in Gaza, but do not want to tackle the issue from its macro level?
00:59:48Will we, will the Likud, will the X and Y of the political Israeli faction,
00:59:56Will they go to amended their charter?
01:00:00We should not ask anyone to amend it.
01:00:03But according to us, our official position.
01:00:06Okay.
01:00:07BLO declared, in a written form, it's declared position.
01:00:10Yeah.
01:00:11Anyone want to be a part of Palestinian future, political future, I mean.
01:00:15Or to be part of the election, or all...
01:00:18He should abide by all the commitment that made by the BLO.
01:00:24Which means, by default, two-state solution, accepting the existence of the state of Israel, and all of this stuff.
01:00:30But regarding existing, accepting the right of Israel to exist.
01:00:34It's another ambiguous issue.
01:00:35What's the meaning of if Palestine, or not Palestine, accept or deny the right of India to exist?
01:00:50India is there.
01:00:51India exists.
01:00:52Israel exists.
01:00:53Israel exists.
01:00:54Israel is a member of the United Nations.
01:00:56Put aside all of these, because we had been brainwashed.
01:01:01What's the meaning of acknowledging the right of Israel to exist?
01:01:04But the charter is very important, because when BLO has so many student unions all across the world,
01:01:11Charter is the one which people abide by.
01:01:13Yes, of course.
01:01:14Right.
01:01:15For Hamas also, it's the same.
01:01:16Of course.
01:01:17And for the Likud, the biggest party in Israel should acknowledge the right of Palestinian people to exist.
01:01:25Should acknowledge the right of Palestinian people to be free.
01:01:28Should acknowledge the fundamental right of the Palestinian people to self-determination.
01:01:34They are utterly against our right.
01:01:37We're going to ask Hamad to change its charter.
01:01:40It is a charter.
01:01:41But my question, will anyone dare to ask the Israeli political faction to change their
01:01:47charter?
01:01:48Is anyone know about what is the Israeli political charters talking about how did they tackle
01:01:54on treating the Palestinian people?
01:01:56Is it fair to review all the charters for every single political party in Palestine and Israel?
01:02:02And to make sure that there is no incitement, no hate speech, and coexistence for the two-state solution.
01:02:09Is it fair?
01:02:10I'm asking you, is it fair?
01:02:11So let us together call for an international review for all the political charters, Palestinian
01:02:20and Israeli, and to make sure there is no hate speech, and each one should abide by it.
01:02:26The Israeli and the Palestinian should not mention any hate speech, should recognize the
01:02:31right of the other people to exist, should recognize the right of other people to be free, and
01:02:36should recognize the right of the other people to self-determination.
01:02:40Do you think that US President Donald Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize if this peace
01:02:46plan goes according to the plan?
01:02:49Yes, just two days ago, one of the Palestinian scientists, it's a good opportunity to say that
01:02:59we the Palestinian, before the war, 97.3% is the literacy rate in us, among the Palestinian people.
01:03:07One of the Palestinian scientists, was when the Nobel Prize, and many of the Palestinian
01:03:14whom was employed in the, in NASA itself, the one who led the group, the team to, for creating
01:03:24the objective that fly to Mars, is a Palestinian from a refugee camp, very young, likewise you,
01:03:3132 or something like this, engineer from Gaza.
01:03:39When it came to the Nobel Prize, again, there is a criteria for Nobel Prize.
01:03:46If anyone bring the peace to the world, and the, the Palestinian misery, bring the justice
01:03:58to the Palestinian that we missed that since November 2nd, 1917, when, I'm sorry to say
01:04:05that your occupiers, or colonizers, issued the notorious, despicable bill for declaration.
01:04:14The bill for declaration, the mandate was started after the World War 1, but when they
01:04:20had zero foot print in our land, your colonizer decided to pledge, to gift it, to hand it our
01:04:30homeland, our ancient homeland, to, so, this misery was started since that time.
01:04:36Anyone gonna put an end to this misery, to the Palestinian suffering, 100% he deserved to
01:04:41have a Nobel Prize, but just lasting, just, and lasting peace.
01:04:48Because from Israel, peace for, for, for Israel is to expel the Palestinian people.
01:04:54And as you rightly mentioned, their agreement, there is a lot of Arabic, uh, country, why they
01:04:58did not, but this is, again, this is, again, this is the same exact argument that was used
01:05:04by the Nazi, mid-1930s, that, no, and they used to say, to complete the picture, the
01:05:09Israelis used to say that, uh, and no one, they, see, there is no one want them, everyone
01:05:15has hated them.
01:05:16The same exact argument that was used by the Nazi Germany, mid-1930s, when they used to say,
01:05:22they used to say, when America, British itself, it closed its door, its border, before the
01:05:29Israeli, and did not allow them to, to, to seek a refuge in their land.
01:05:36So the Nazi at that time used the same exact argument that the Israeli today is used it,
01:05:42no one like them, no one want them.
01:05:44What do you have to say about the full UN membership for Palestine?
01:05:49Because US will continue to veto it, and you are endorsing the Nobel Peace Prize for Trump.
01:05:54We are endorsing the Nobel Peace Prize for Trump.
01:05:57If the war gets resolved.
01:05:59But US has always been cracking down on pro-Palestinian protesters.
01:06:03Hina, I did not say that we are endorsing.
01:06:05If this plan goes through.
01:06:07Anyone gonna put an end to the Palestinian misery.
01:06:11Right now we have Trump in the administration.
01:06:14Did he put an end to the Palestinian misery?
01:06:16If it happens.
01:06:17We will totally, utterly, anyone.
01:06:20How will you fight someone who you are endorsing for the Nobel Peace Prize?
01:06:23No, no, I want to finish this.
01:06:25Anyone will put an end to the Palestinian misery that was started November 2, 1917,
01:06:32100% just and lasting peace, we will endorse it.
01:06:37But Trump does not support the two-state solution.
01:06:40Let's not forget that.
01:06:41Wait a minute, wait a minute.
01:06:42But let us remember that.
01:06:44One of the wanted terrorists won a Nobel Prize.
01:06:50Do you know that?
01:06:51There are so many names, Ambassador.
01:06:53No, no, no, because I want to, I should say.
01:06:56Minhaim Begin, one of the leaders of the underground terrorist organization, terrorist gangs, Jewish terrorist gangs before 1948.
01:07:07He was classified by the United Kingdom.
01:07:10Where are we going with this conversation? Are you endorsing?
01:07:12I'm coming, I'm coming, because you are talking about peace prize.
01:07:17I'm talking about Trump, Trump's stance.
01:07:20Can I finish, because it will make an introduction.
01:07:23So that Minhaim Begin, the wanted terrorist, according to the United Kingdom, this is not ours.
01:07:30At that time, he became the Israeli Prime Minister in 1977, and he won the Nobel Prize.
01:07:40As you rightly mentioned.
01:07:42Are you comparing Trump?
01:07:44No, no, I'm telling you, there is a history behind the Nobel Prize and all of this.
01:07:50No, I'm not comparing at all.
01:07:51At least Mr. Trump, he had something, or at least he pledged that he wanted to bring the peace to the Middle East.
01:07:58Ambassador, you are a diplomat. How will you push for UN's full membership in the United Nations?
01:08:03We already used, but we, two stages, to have an full membership.
01:08:08Do you support that India must be included as a permanent member in the United Nations?
01:08:14No, not in the United Nations, United Nations Security Council.
01:08:17We already, our declared position to, because I served there, our declared position is very clear.
01:08:27For eight years, I think.
01:08:28No, no, no, of course, we won't, not all, because this is, it's not fair to have a veto power only in five hands.
01:08:37And we, for us as a Palestinian, at least America used it, the vast majority of the veto that used by America is against us.
01:08:44True.
01:08:45Back to the process of being a full member state, two gates we should cross it.
01:08:53First and foremost, we should submit a letter to the Security Council that Palestine would like to become a, this is an official letter.
01:09:02And we already did.
01:09:03The Security Council should send a letter to the General Assembly to endorse it.
01:09:08I mean, to endorse our, our request.
01:09:10In this letter, they should say that the state of Palestine is a peaceful and a lover and all of this stuff.
01:09:18But when we submitted it, United States of America is a blockade.
01:09:23And it was, it happened many times ago.
01:09:25Or for more than one time.
01:09:28Yes, we are looking to become a full membership of the United Nations itself.
01:09:33It's our right.
01:09:34Ambassador, what was the conversation between you and the Minister of External Affairs?
01:09:38All the time.
01:09:39All the time.
01:09:40I should say.
01:09:41What were the key points that you discussed?
01:09:42No, no.
01:09:43Many things, many things, of course.
01:09:44But I should be very frank and I should be very honest.
01:09:48India used to be with Palestine.
01:09:51Long time ago.
01:09:52Still with Palestine.
01:09:54And I trust India will continue to be with Palestine.
01:09:57Just right now.
01:09:58India is implementing many projects in Palestine.
01:10:01And when I used to have some issue to discuss it,
01:10:05It takes me just to send them WhatsApp.
01:10:09No, usually I go through the official message.
01:10:11But even if I want to say something in phone,
01:10:14India, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is totally...
01:10:18And if, so to speak, all the time is open to us.
01:10:22In particular with the Palestinians.
01:10:24I'm pretty sure that they gave us a privilege to come and to enter the Ministry at any time I would like to request.
01:10:33And again, they are following all of our activity and they are, so to speak, all the time is very supportive.
01:10:43And many things we used to discuss it with the Ministry.
01:10:47Many things.
01:10:48What are your comments on the statements by Congress party, the opposition party in India,
01:10:55saying that Israel is committing quote unquote genocide.
01:10:58Israel is very straightforward condemning the Congress party, saying that it should not speak in that manner.
01:11:09You recently visited Kerala.
01:11:11I have two questions.
01:11:12First of all, your thoughts on this.
01:11:14Do you have a slight hesitation when you visited Kerala, be seen with CPIM leader of getting into the political climate in the country?
01:11:27Three things.
01:11:28First and foremost, it's not the opposition party who claim that Israel is conducting genocide.
01:11:34It's the UN, a minister, and the Israeli watchdog.
01:11:38And the ICC.
01:11:39The ICC is already accused and issued an arrested warrant against the figurative from justice, the Israeli prime minister.
01:11:51So it's not a position of X or Y political party.
01:11:55Second, yes, I visited Kerala.
01:11:57And I met with His Excellency, the CM, there.
01:12:00And they are very welcome to me.
01:12:02And I used to say, and I sent a lot of requests to all the political parties here.
01:12:08Okay.
01:12:09And I start by the big political party, of course.
01:12:12But yet, it seems that their schedule is busy.
01:12:15But I want to meet with everyone.
01:12:18Regarding we are the internal political arena, we will not be under any circumstance.
01:12:26We the Palestinian people.
01:12:28Under the chairmanship of President Abbas.
01:12:30And under the chairmanship before President Abbas, the late, great one, Arafat.
01:12:40We are not part, and we will not be part, even in the Arab country with any internal issue.
01:12:47Utterly, one word loud and clear.
01:12:50But again, I, through your, of course, channel, I already submit a request to the very big political party.
01:13:00And I wish that very soon they will have the time to receive me.
01:13:06We the Palestinian have story.
01:13:08We the Palestinian stand in the same exact distance from everyone.
01:13:13We the Palestinian people have nothing against Israel.
01:13:16Nothing against the Jewish, because our leaders is Jewish.
01:13:21Our own matter, our own conflict, our own issue is the Israeli occupation.
01:13:28We are looking for, me as ambassador of Palestine, to visit, to interact with all the political parties here in India.
01:13:39And I started, but the ones who so far is opening their doors is our Communist Party, CBI, CBM, and all due respect, of course, to the others, and many parliamentarians.
01:13:51Ambassador, when we talk about the Gaza peace plan, Trump has the idea of a technocrat or political Palestinian committee.
01:14:00There is no clarity as to how the members of the committee will be selected.
01:14:04Will Palestinian authority have a say in it?
01:14:07No, there is a lot of ambiguous circumstances surrounding the comprehensive plan.
01:14:13You would definitely want to be included in these conversations.
01:14:15Still, still, it is comprehensive plan.
01:14:17While there is a lot of, it needs a lot of discussion to make, to put, to make this plan is working.
01:14:24There is a lot of discussion.
01:14:26There is a lot of measurement should be there.
01:14:29Circumstance, how to measure it, how to evaluate it at a timetable and all of this stuff.
01:14:36It's still, it needs a lot of work, but as a general claim, we are fully endorsing.
01:14:41Last question from my side ambassador.
01:14:43If I would want to go and visit Palestine, the historical places, the beautiful places inside of Palestine, will I be able to do that?
01:14:52Two things.
01:14:53First and foremost, of course, you are very welcome.
01:14:56You all, the Indian people.
01:14:58The international community is very welcome to visit Palestine.
01:15:03But unfortunately, we did not, as a Palestinian, control the border.
01:15:07So you have no other choice except to go to the Israeli embassy and to have the visa from there.
01:15:14And it depends.
01:15:15If you are pro-Palestinian, you will not get it.
01:15:18If you are pro-Israeli or neutral.
01:15:21But the only channel is to enter to Palestine is to have an Israeli visa.
01:15:28Visa from the Israeli embassy.
01:15:30Great.
01:15:31It was a great conversation.
01:15:32Please.
01:15:33Anytime.
01:15:34And I think you shed light and you, you know, very openly spoke about the story of Palestine.
01:15:39And I'm really grateful to you.
01:15:41And I really appreciate you taking out the time.
01:15:44But still, the story of Palestine is still very deep.
01:15:47And we can start next time from Abraham.
01:15:49Most definitely.
01:15:50When he left all the Kildanese, Abraham, thousands of years ago, we had the story there.
01:15:55At that time, our story is there.
01:15:57And the most important title that I used to use is the Torah, the Old Testament, the Holy Book.
01:16:05Well, on that note, Ambassador.
01:16:06Sure.
01:16:07Thank you so much once again for taking out the time and speaking with Asia.
01:16:11Sure.
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