00:00Elle est apparue entravée par des chaînes lors de son procès.
00:03Ilaria Salis.
00:04Ilaria Salis.
00:05Ilaria Salis.
00:06Ilaria Salis.
00:07Cette enseignante de 40 ans, originaire de Monza en Italie, a passé 15 mois en prison
00:11après avoir été accusée d'avoir attaqué des manifestants néonazis à Budapest en février 2000.
00:16J'étais full of spots from bites of bad bugs.
00:20We were also full of beetles inside the cell.
00:24I thought I would have not survived.
00:27Ilaria Salis a tabassé des gens avec des barres de fer dans les rues de Budapest.
00:33Et voilà qu'elle nous fait la leçon sur l'état de droit.
00:36C'est absurde, non ?
00:38This is a political motivated trial.
00:41Urban's government is carrying over this trial.
00:46Fight against anti-fascists.
00:49La Hongrie et son premier ministre d'extrême droite, Viktor Orban,
00:51viennent de classer l'idéologie antifa comme organisation terroriste.
00:56Et ça, quelques jours seulement après Donald Trump.
00:58Il y a quelques mois, sur Street Press, on a sorti une enquête vidéo sur ce qu'on appelle l'affaire de Budapest.
01:04C'est une affaire politique qui secoue l'Europe.
01:07Des milliers de néonazis qui défilent dans une capitale européenne.
01:10C'est un vrai délire, quoi.
01:12Des militants antifascistes qui les attaquent à coups de marteau.
01:16En 2023, après une série d'attaques contre des néonazis à Budapest,
01:19le gouvernement hongrois s'est lancé dans une chasse aux militants antifascistes dans toute l'Europe.
01:25Et l'une des militantes ciblées par la Hongrie, c'est Hilaria Salis.
01:28Dans cette vidéo, vous allez entendre le témoignage de cette professeure italienne.
01:32Elle a vécu 15 mois de calvaire dans une prison hongroise,
01:35avant d'être élue députée au Parlement européen.
01:49En Italien, le TAV, c'est le TGV.
02:04Ils ne veulent pas de cette ligne Lyon-Turin et l'ont montré une énième fois.
02:08C'était aussi une lutte anti-fasciste.
02:14C'est la raison pour laquelle j'ai reçu à Budapest en 2023,
02:20parce que j'ai voulu prendre part dans les démonstrations
02:24contre le Day d'Honor,
02:27que c'est une démonstration nazi qui gagne les nazis de toute l'Europe.
02:34Chaque février, en Hongrie,
02:36l'extrême droite rend hommage aux combattants hongrois
02:38et leurs alliés nazis défaits face à l'armée rouge en 1944,
02:43lors du siège de Budapest.
02:44Une marche annuelle est organisée par des mouvements ouvertement néo-nazis.
02:48En 2023, une contre-manifestation anti-fasciste s'y est opposée,
02:53entraînant des affrontements entre les deux camps.
02:55Entre les 9 et 11 février,
02:57cinq attaques contre des militants d'extrême droite ont été documentées dans la ville.
03:01Les autorités hongroises lancent ce qu'elles appellent
03:04« Une chasse à l'homme contre les militants antifas ».
03:06La police communique à grand renfort d'images
03:09et diffuse les vidéos de l'interpellation de trois personnes à bord d'un taxi.
03:14Elle montre avoir retrouvé sur eux un marteau,
03:16du gaz lacrymogène,
03:18une matraque télescopique et des gants.
03:20I was taken off from this taxi.
03:23A policewoman on a van where she searched on me
03:28and she didn't find anything on me.
03:31Then I was taken back to the taxi.
03:33A policeman put inside my bag, opened my bag.
03:36I had my bag here around my neck because I was handcuffed
03:42so I could not have any reaction.
03:44He put in my bag a hat and this stick, this strange stick.
03:52I was so astonished and frightened that I was not able to say a word when this happened
03:59because I was like this and what's going on?
04:02Who are these people?
04:04And it was such a strange situation.
04:06They said that the accusations were taking part in two aggressions against the neo-Nazis,
04:14two aggressions that happened in the days before.
04:19For one of the facts of which I was accused, I was not even in Hungary
04:25and I could also prove this to the judge because I had my travel tickets.
04:30Well, I was quite astonished but I could not even understand fully
04:35because they spoke only Hungarian.
04:38A translator arrived but she didn't speak good Italian
04:43so I could understand only some pieces of the accusation.
04:49The judge didn't set me free and he decided to send me to prison.
04:55Firstly, he said for one month and I didn't understand
04:58that one month could be renewed for another several months.
05:03The accusations became heavier and heavier until I was accused of crimes
05:11that in Hungary can be punished with 24 years of hard prison.
05:18I can say that I went to Budapest to take part in the anti-fascist demonstrations.
05:25I don't want in this moment to add further information because anything that I can say
05:33I think that the Hungarian judges or the Hungarian government could decide to use it against me
05:40or against other people.
05:42It was the only prison in Budapest for women where are kept women that are in pretrial detention as I was.
06:01It was my first time in prison. It was very hard.
06:07When you arrive, I think they are supposed to give you a package with toilet paper and soap
06:14and these kind of things for hygienic issues.
06:19But I don't know why they didn't give to me this packet.
06:22I was in a cell alone so nobody could help me giving me some of these things.
06:28And so I was actually left without these things for more than one week.
06:35We had to stay closed in the cell the whole day.
06:41Only for one hour we were allowed to go to the fresh air.
06:47But it didn't happen every day because sometimes the police forgot to take us down.
06:54And so you had to stay closed in the cell for two days or three days without going out.
07:00But I was full of spots from bites of bed bugs during the night.
07:06I suppose they used to bite me a lot.
07:10We were also full of beetles inside the cell.
07:15And we had mice not inside the cell fortunately but in the yard.
07:24They changed me whenever they wanted.
07:27They came and they said okay pack up, pack, pack everything.
07:30I changed 12 cells I think because then during the first month was a very stressful thing.
07:37I thought I would have not survived.
07:41I don't think they are human, it's human conditions.
07:43The trial started, I was taken towards the judge with handcuffs and with a leash and with chains also at my feet.
08:01I felt well because I saw a lot of people coming from Italy and this gave me a lot of strength.
08:12It's very important when you are in prison to you can never see anybody and so it was very important for me.
08:20When I see me in chains, I still feel bad, badly, it's still humiliating and it makes me suffer still now when I see these pictures.
08:35These images created a bigger solidarity around my case.
08:41Ilaria libera! Ilaria libera!
08:46My case became quite interesting from a mediatic and also political point of view in Italy.
08:55It was a trial with thousands of pages of investigation and these pages were not translated.
09:16I could not understand everything that was going on and it was also very hard for me to defend myself in that situation.
09:26Quell'accusa della procura ungherese, per cui rischia fino a 24 anni, avrebbe aggredito un anno fa due partecipanti a un raduno neonazista a Budapest.
09:36Loro, guariti in pochi giorni, non hanno mai sborto denuncia.
09:40Lo ricorda la difesa e ripete, nessuna prova.
09:42Nel video dell'attacco diffuso dall'accusa Salis non è riconoscibile.
09:47Deeply I knew that this trial could not be a fair trial, an equal trial, and so anything I could do, anything that my lawyer could say would have not been even considered by the judge that was only considering what the public persecutor was saying.
10:06The statements that were made by the Hungarian officials, members of the government, they said that I was guilty and I deserved.
10:16It's supposed to be a very severe punishment.
10:18It's supposed to be a judge and not the government who says if somebody is guilty or not.
10:32I think that this is a politically motivated trial and that Urban's government is carrying over this trial, fight against anti-fascists because it brings him votes in Hungary.
10:48While I was in prison, the Italian left-wing parties, it was more the one who suggested the election.
11:02Finally, I decided, yes, to accept to be a candidate with the Allianza Verde Sinistra.
11:09I could not do myself the campaign.
11:24I was able to make an interview with an Italian newspaper that sent me the written questions and I replied by writing.
11:33During the two final weeks of the campaign, actually, I was in house detention, so I could communicate with Italy.
11:41Everything went well.
11:47I was finally elected.
11:50After the election, I was set free.
11:54Hello, Ilaria.
11:55How are you?
11:56At the moment, the trial for me is suspended and it will restart in case my immunity is revoked.
12:04If immunity is revoked, probably would be an arrest warrant against me, so I would be arrested in Italy or in France or in Belgium or wherever I will be in Europe in that moment.
12:18And then the country where I would be arrested would have to decide whether to give the extradition and give me to Hungary or not.
12:31In case this is adopted, the immunity is not waved.
12:37The 7th October, Ilaria Salis has preserved her immunity during a vote in the European Parliament.
12:43It is a victory for democracy, a victory for the right state, a victory for the anti-fascism,
12:49the anti-fascist Europe.
12:51Obviously, I am very happy with the vote vote.
12:55But this is the only confirmation that there is no right process in Hungary,
13:00nor against the anti-fascists, nor against any political opposition.
13:04For me, I ask that the process is carried out in Italy with respect to the democratic guarantees.
13:10D'autres militants anti-fascists are always imprisoned or searched by Hungary.
13:14If you want to know more about the issue of Budapest,
13:17I advise you to go to see our inquiry, which I talked about at the beginning of this video.
13:21We, at Street Press, are going to continue to follow this affair.
13:24So don't forget to subscribe to nothing to forget.
13:27And one last word to tell you that this interview,
13:29is the fruit of a collaboration with VD News.
13:31C'est un média indépendant italien avec qui Street Press collabore depuis plusieurs années
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