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00:00Spiritualism, the idea of having a belief system into God has been engraved inside of me.
00:05But recently, over the past few months, there's a crisis inside of me.
00:10Is there anything here that is made from belief?
00:13Any single thing here that is made from belief?
00:17Forget about material things, even in intangible things like relationships.
00:21Does belief help?
00:22I had like a lot of down times in my life. I was very down.
00:26And belief in God gave me a lot of hope in some context.
00:30But then belief in an external power, God, isn't it first coming from belief in your internal powerlessness?
00:38If I am not alright, should I not first inquire into my dependencies?
00:43Instead of dropping those things, you go and pray and start feeling relaxed that now you'll be taken care of by an invisible energy.
00:52That which you require defense against is in itself imaginary.
00:58Why do you want to defend the imaginary with the imaginary?
01:02Spirituality and belief should not be spoken of in the same breath.
01:06Spirituality is not belief. Please, please, please.
01:09So, I was born in a Brahmin family.
01:17Okay, and from the very start, the idea of a spiritualism, the idea of having a belief system into God has been engraved inside of me.
01:27And that is my very upbringing.
01:29But recently, like over the past few months, there's a crisis inside of me like it and it raises a question that which side is the right one?
01:42Like I have like shift between these kinds of these two sides of mind.
01:49So, like you have quoted in your book Truth Without Apology that spiritualism is not an escape.
01:56It is a gentle light that guides us through our daily lives.
02:01So, but let's say there are two persons.
02:06One of them is a man of, one of them has a belief system, one of them is religious, he is into spiritualism and he seeks positivity and hope via means of God.
02:18And say there is another person who is a man of logic, he is 100% reasonable, 100% rational thinker.
02:25And if we put both of them into a crisis, this one relies on his belief system for positivity and hope.
02:34This person tries to analyze the situation and accept the situation and tries to find a solution for it.
02:42Even if there is no solution, the acceptance of the situation gives him the hope and positivity that he needs at that point.
02:49So, my question is like, do we actually need a spiritualism?
02:55Do we actually need a belief system or is it just a mere escape for us from our problems?
03:02And if we do need spiritualism and any kind of belief system, then how can we differentiate actual spiritualism from this psychological comfort that we seek during the time of crisis?
03:20Is there anything here that is made from belief?
03:26Any single thing here that is made from belief?
03:31This, this, these, this, those instruments, the watch, anything here that is made from belief?
03:47Belief obviously is a substitute to knowledge.
03:52Right?
03:55When knowing is not possible or when you don't want to pay the price of knowing or when your imaginations are threatened by knowing, then you want to stick to belief.
04:08Otherwise, why does one need to believe?
04:11And what can belief give you?
04:14Anything here, does it come from belief?
04:16I am again asking you.
04:17Point out a single object here that comes from belief.
04:23You will say, but these are material objects.
04:25Alright, let me talk of your inner objects.
04:29Would you just want to believe that you have a good friend?
04:39Or would you want to know that your friend is actually good?
04:44Please tell me.
04:45And if you just believe that you have a good friend, won't you find yourself deceived or let down at critical points?
04:56Because you never knew.
04:57You just kept believing.
04:58And then you found yourself floored when the test came.
05:02Won't that happen?
05:04So, forget about material things.
05:06Even in intangible things like relationships.
05:09Does belief help?
05:11Does belief help?
05:14Can it help in anything?
05:16Please tell me.
05:19Can belief help in anything in life?
05:30What if we have some knowledge which is unknown to us?
05:33We are ignorant.
05:34Because we can't learn everything, right?
05:36No, no.
05:37What do you mean by that?
05:38Give me an example.
05:39If I want to know about the purpose of my existence.
05:43So why will you believe?
05:44You will inquire, right?
05:45I will inquire.
05:46And if I keep inquiring, I start to get a sense of nihilism.
05:50Why do you are afraid?
05:52If I inquire, then I start feeling bad.
05:54So I will not inquire and rather believe something that is in the ears.
05:58I will believe something that is floating around.
06:01Because when I inquire, I start feeling afraid.
06:03Now what kind of argument is this?
06:05An argument of fear?
06:06Do you like this argument?
06:08Again asking you, is there anything in your life where belief can have a gainful purpose?
06:25Please tell me.
06:27So as in my case, I had like a lot of down times in my life.
06:32I was very down.
06:34And belief in God, for instance, belief in God gave me a lot of hope.
06:41And so isn't a belief related to hope in some context.
06:48But then belief in an external power, God, isn't it first coming?
06:55From belief in your internal powerlessness.
07:00So now you have a compensatory belief.
07:04And because it compensates for a pre-existing belief, you are saying this compensatory belief is wonderful.
07:10What you are not seeing is that you need the other belief only because first of all, there is a pre-existing belief.
07:16And this pre-existing belief is so debilitating that it makes you go for another belief.
07:25It's like this.
07:28I'm sitting here, right?
07:32And I believe that there is an enemy behind me, ready to stab me.
07:37And I'm shivering.
07:39And because I'm shivering and I can't talk to you.
07:43Even as you six are here, beautiful people asking me lovely questions.
07:46I find I cannot attend to this.
07:49Why?
07:50Because continuously there is a belief that behind my back lurks an invisible enemy with a dagger.
07:58That too is a belief.
08:03And hence, I summon another belief and say, no, this enemy, this negative energy will not be able to harm me at all.
08:15Because there is an invisible positive energy also that I believe in.
08:20That positive energy is needed only because first of all, you randomly believe in this negative energy.
08:28You randomly believe in your vulnerability.
08:31Are you vulnerable?
08:33Now, instead of compensating for one belief with another belief, why don't you inquire into the first debilitating belief itself?
08:46Are you really so weak, so fragile, so brittle that you have to necessarily go through, as you said, the down times?
08:58What had befallen?
09:00What was the sheer curse?
09:03Why did you have to feel so disappointed?
09:06And what was the nature of disappointment?
09:09That that disappointment could be annulled with mere imagination?
09:14I am so disappointed.
09:16I am so disappointed.
09:17There is somebody behind me ready to kill me.
09:20What do I need to take care of this disappointment and the fear?
09:24Nothing.
09:25Just close my eyes and believe that there is somebody else protecting me.
09:29How amusing is that?
09:36If I am not alright, should I not first inquire into my dependencies?
09:43You are not born to be internally weak.
09:47If you are feeling internally weak, instead of rushing after belief, shouldn't you inquire why you are feeling internally weak?
09:56Maybe you are feeling internally weak because you are carrying random expectations, dependencies, or greed.
10:09Right?
10:10When you carry all those things, those things weaken you from within.
10:14But instead of dropping those things, instead of dropping those things, you go and pray and start feeling relaxed that now you will be taken care of by an invisible energy.
10:26Please tell me.
10:27Please tell me.
10:28I don't want to offend anybody.
10:29Please tell me.
10:30What do people go to places of worship for?
10:34Don't people go to those places to just get what they desire?
10:41Yes?
10:43No.
10:44You are carrying those rubbish desires within.
10:47And they make you feel small and defeated and poor.
10:52Instead of inquiring into those desires, instead of dropping those desires, you summon up, you conjure a big power outside of you and then you go and you kneel and you say, now my belief system has come to my rescue.
11:11That which you require defence against is in itself imaginary.
11:20That which gets hurt within you is in itself imaginary.
11:31Why do you want to defend the imaginary with the imaginary?
11:41There is the imaginary threat standing behind me.
11:45I want to handle, I want to handle this imaginary threat using an imaginary belief.
11:56A fairy with a weapon is just coming to take care of this monster.
12:02Why is the fairy needed?
12:06Because there is a monster.
12:07What if there is no monster at all in the first place?
12:10The monster is imagination.
12:12To take care of this imagination, now you are imagining a fairy.
12:15And a great weapon.
12:21Please see.
12:22There is no monster.
12:24There is no fairy.
12:25There is no weapon.
12:27Why are you going mad?
12:32That's not the same thing.
12:33You should see.
12:34That's true.
12:43Next thing.
12:45Spirituality and belief should not be spoken of in the same breath.
12:50Organised religion is belief.
12:53All organized religions begin with a belief system.
12:58You have to believe in such and such things.
13:01then you are a proper atheist.
13:07In fact, you are called a believer.
13:10When you are in the organized religion,
13:14that's what you are called, a believer.
13:18And they will address you,
13:19Listen, O believers!
13:23All organized religion begins with belief.
13:28But spirituality is not belief.
13:30Spirituality is the unrelenting inquiry into all beliefs in life.
13:37Why am I living on imaginations?
13:40I want to question, I want to question.
13:43This is a spiritual process you are seeing.
13:48Because you have questions.
13:50Right?
13:51And I can say something and you may say,
13:53No, but I don't agree to this.
13:55There is a big but still remaining.
13:58This is spirituality.
14:01Am I asking you to believe?
14:03No.
14:04I am raising questions continuously.
14:06I am raising questions and I am dealing with your questions.
14:09This is spirituality.
14:10Now, how would it have looked, had it been a religious gathering?
14:19This gathering?
14:20This I am saying that you are seeing here, is spiritual.
14:21This I am saying that you are seeing here, is spiritual.
14:22Because what we have is open, honest, transparent questioning.
14:32Right?
14:33Instead of this, how would it have looked, had this been a religious congregation?
14:44How would it be?
14:52The religious authority would sit here?
14:56No, not like this.
14:57Obviously, you are mere mortals.
14:59Who are you?
15:00How can you occupy the same stage as I do and sit at the same level?
15:03No, no, no.
15:04You are not allowed.
15:06So, you will be sitting here.
15:07And you cannot sit this way with the mic in hand.
15:12How should your hands look when you are sitting in front of a religious authority?
15:22And I won't be taking questions really.
15:27Or continuously just preaching, preaching, preaching.
15:30And even if I have to take questions, I'll take questions from, you know, deeply religious and mature people.
15:39Why will I allow kids to question me?
15:46That's how religion proceeds.
15:49Organised religion.
15:50It does not allow you to ask questions.
15:53It says, this is it and you have to believe in it.
15:57You like this?
16:00You like this?
16:02You like this?
16:05This is it.
16:06And you believe.
16:07Otherwise, there is always this otherwise hanging over your head.
16:12Like a sword.
16:14Otherwise, come on.
16:17God will come later.
16:19I will punish you.
16:23I will punish you.
16:26That's how belief systems operate.
16:29Because they are very, very insecure.
16:31I believe in a yellow God.
16:35You believe in a blue God.
16:37He believes in a red God.
16:38She believes in a white God.
16:41And we all will be very insecure because no one really knows.
16:44We are all just believing.
16:47Believing.
16:48Believing.
16:51Because my tradition told me God is red.
16:54His tradition told him blue.
16:55His tradition told him yellow.
16:57The white there and violet here.
16:59We will all be very insecure because we cannot be secure without the truth.
17:04And we do not know the truth.
17:05We are just believing.
17:06Believing.
17:07So, he comes to me and says God is red.
17:09I will say no, my God is yellow.
17:11And then we will fight and kill each other down.
17:15That's what belief systems do.
17:18They breed violence.
17:21Truth cannot breed violence.
17:23Because truth is the same for all.
17:25But beliefs will definitely be different for all.
17:27Do you now see why religions fight with each other?
17:30Because they are based on belief.
17:34And you now know why scientists cannot fight.
17:38Because doesn't matter whether you are coming from Germany or US or India or any place.
17:44The facts of science remain the same.
17:48Hence, scientists will not fight.
17:50In fact, they collaborate.
17:52Scientists across countries and cultures collaborate.
17:57And religious people across cultures and beliefs, they continuously fight.
18:04Because beliefs cannot match.
18:07Because stories cannot match.
18:08Because imaginations cannot match.
18:12He will never be able to prove God is white.
18:14He will never be able to prove God is yellow.
18:17And I will say both of you are idiots.
18:22And not just idiots.
18:23You are committing blasphemy.
18:31Heretics who deserve to be killed.
18:36God is white.
18:40Do you all agree or not?
18:42Or should I pull out the gun?
18:43Repeat after me.
18:45God is white.
18:46And if you don't, we will have riots.
18:54That's belief.
18:56Nobody knows anything.
18:58All have their stories.
19:00That's belief.
19:01Spirituality is not belief.
19:02Please, please, please.
19:03In fact, spirituality is constantly sniffing for belief.
19:11And if I smell belief there, I will come hunting.
19:20Do you get this?
19:22Do you also see how within the human being, there is something that just lazily wants to believe?
19:30Why?
19:31Because truth is arduous.
19:34Truth demands hard work.
19:39The sun is hanging there.
19:43Because the gods ordered it.
19:45How much work does it take to come up with this fancy story?
19:49How much work does it take?
19:51No work it takes.
19:52The earth is the centre of the universe.
19:56And the suns and the moons and the stars and the galaxies are all orbiting around the earth.
20:02How much work does it come to come up with this kind of a nonsensical story?
20:07Zero work.
20:09Therefore, we go for easy, lazy beliefs.
20:11But to discover the distance between the sun and the earth.
20:18To really come to the shape of the orbits.
20:24To derive equations.
20:27To come to the exact numbers.
20:29To determine the speed of light.
20:31All that takes effort.
20:33Therefore, we settle for easy, lazy beliefs.
20:39Because we don't want to work.
20:41And because we are also afraid.
20:43He said the sun is circling the earth.
20:48If I say no, no, that is not right, I will be killed.
20:52And you know of the name of the gentleman.
20:53You know of Bruno, you know of Galileo.
21:00You know what happened to them.
21:01You also know that even Newton was threatened.
21:09Do you understand this?
21:12You are not born to believe.
21:14Belief is simply a validation of ignorance.
21:23If I am blind.
21:25I want to get out of this hall.
21:27I will have to ask you.
21:31And then I may have no recourse but to believe.
21:36Right?
21:38Which way is the exit please?
21:41And you will tell me.
21:43And I have no option but to believe.
21:46But what if I do have eyes?
21:49And I still keep believing what others tell me.
21:51And this one is telling me.
21:52You can go out of this room only by blasting through the roof.
21:57And there is a fire here.
21:59And I am believing that the only way to exit is through the roof.
22:04I am stupid.
22:05Am I not?
22:06I have my eyes.
22:07I can see.
22:08I can know.
22:09Why do I need to believe?
22:12How stupid would I look?
22:14If in spite of being gifted with eyes.
22:17I still keep asking all and sundry and believing what they say.
22:20And also get roasted in the process.
22:27What is it that you cannot know?
22:29Please tell me.
22:30What is it that you cannot even question?
22:32Please tell me.
22:35Just that the process of inquiry is long.
22:40But beautiful.
22:41Be it the external world, be it the internal world.
22:46None are exempt from the question mark.
22:51Can't you ask yourself?
22:53There is a certain attraction I am feeling towards this individual.
22:56Where is this coming from?
22:57Why can't you ask this?
22:58Just as the scientist, the experimenter proceeds in his lab.
23:04Why can't you question your emotions, your intuitions, your instincts, your love, your anger, your greed?
23:12Have you seen?
23:13When you look at yourself, it is possible to see what is happening within.
23:16Have you seen?
23:17You are unreasonably irritated.
23:20Somebody asks you, what's the matter?
23:22You say, no, no, no.
23:23Just the mood.
23:25But if you honestly look at yourself, you will discover there is a reason why you are irritated.
23:30Inquiry does yield results.
23:32But it requires honesty.
23:34In absence of honesty, belief is the crutch.
23:48Even more confused.
23:50Spirituality is an extension of logic.
23:54Not really.
23:55Because, what is logic?
23:56What is the definition of logic?
23:59Logic simply is, there are these two statements.
24:02And then you derive a conclusion from the two statements.
24:07If the conclusion follows from the two statements, then you say it is logical.
24:11That's how logic is defined.
24:13So, spirituality is way beyond logic.
24:18Spirituality is way beyond logic.
24:20You see, I'll tell you.
24:22There is a conclusion in logic and these statements on which you base your conclusion.
24:27They are called prepositions.
24:28Logic will only test whether the conclusion follows from propositions.
24:34But logic will not test the validity of the proposition itself.
24:42No.
24:43The conclusion is never seen as truth.
24:45The conclusion is said to be logical.
24:49Logical.
24:50For example.
24:51For example.
24:55He is stupid.
24:56She is stupid.
24:58They recommended this towel to me.
25:01This towel must be the wrong one.
25:04Now, this is logical but not necessarily true.
25:08This is logical but not necessarily true.
25:11Why?
25:13Because I am basing my conclusion on two statements.
25:17The conclusion, yes, definitely follows the two statements.
25:20But how do I know whether the two statements themselves are fact based?
25:24Maybe he is not stupid.
25:25Maybe she is very, very wise.
25:27Maybe I am the idiot.
25:30Maybe, maybe I have a personal grudge against the two of them.
25:33Therefore, I am labeling them idiots.
25:35Logic will not test that.
25:37Logic will not take you to truth.
25:40But logic is useful in testing the veracity of the conclusion.
25:45So, spirituality is not really logic.
25:48Spirituality is an examination of the self.
25:52Hmm?
25:53If I am doing something, why am I doing it?
25:55What have I become?
25:57Do I really need to chase that desire?
25:59Where is that desire first of all arising from?
26:02That's, that's spirituality.
26:03The fundamental question, who am I?
26:08That is spirituality.
26:11And in that, there is no space for beliefs.
26:19Good evening everyone.
26:21Achayal Ji has repeatedly told us,
26:24brought our attention to a very important thing
26:27regarding the Bhagavad Gita.
26:29Is that the, it has been heavily misinterpreted by the people.
26:35And misinterpretation has been to such an extent that people have justified
26:42all kinds of nonsense and pseudo-science and superstitious beliefs
26:48by misquoting the verses of Gita.
26:52So, Achayal Ji points out yet again, that this is the verse we were discussing today.
26:59Is one of those verses, which, which is the victim of the evil intentions of the people.
27:07Achayal Ji explains to us that the, that the Gita is not about focusing on, focusing on the, what we are doing.
27:18It does not, it does not talk in the language of good or bad.
27:23It centers everything from where that act is sprouting from.
27:28That has to be taken care of.
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