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01:57I can do it all, you know what I mean?
01:59So this is a low voice.
02:01Every show I try and have a transformation between me and the audience
02:04where I start out as the performer and they are the audience
02:07and then by the end I hope to switch.
02:13She is a trained choral conductor.
02:17She knows how to deconstruct music and put it back together again
02:21to promote this idea that music is for everyone.
02:27Everyone has had a voice crack or been laughed at,
02:32been told that their voice is out of tune
02:34and it feels very personal because it is.
02:36Here we go, Chicago. Five, six, seven, six.
02:39One of my main motivations is to be like, it doesn't matter.
02:45Our voices are unique to us and with the help of other people,
02:50anyone can make, you know, beautiful art.
02:57She's an original, she's one of a kind.
03:06Inspiring joy and enthusiasm in people is not an easy task.
03:15Communicating why it feels good to sing all together, that's a real gift.
03:19I'm not great at any particular instrument, but my brain is kind of the instrument
03:33and understanding that about myself was like, it just shaped and changed the rest of my life.
03:39I really don't think you're strong enough, no.
03:45I have been running pub choir for eight years.
04:02It has led me to so many unexpected places, so many unexpected big interactions.
04:07So, who are you?
04:10My name's Astrid. I'm 34 years old.
04:12Very recently, I auditioned for America's Got Talent.
04:17It was broadcast while we were on tour in the US.
04:21We actually watched it in a laundry of a hotel.
04:24It was the only TV that we could get to work.
04:26You are the act. You try.
04:28And since my audition has aired, they posted it online and over 70 million people have watched this audition.
04:36That's an unfathomable number.
04:39From watching my sister sit in her bedroom, listening to the Spice Girls,
04:43to then seeing a clip of her on a stage with the Spice Girl giving an opinion about my sister's performance.
04:50Yeah, I mean, what world does that happen?
04:52This is your audition, not their audition. You know what I mean?
04:55I think what you did was really smart.
05:02And I've started to get quite a lot of interest from people around the world,
05:05and even a little bit in Australia, as if this was a miraculous thing that happened.
05:10I'm happy for people to think that, but I would prefer that they see that it was something that was built up to.
05:19She's worked very, very hard for it, and I think she deserves all the success that she has.
05:25But she's had an unusual relationship with music in that she both loved and hated it at times throughout her life.
05:32I have been making this space for the last 35 years.
05:41Music kind of got infused into the children's lives at some point, either listening to it, or they took up some instrument.
05:50We had a piano, and she would just toy on it.
05:55I have some vague memories of learning that it's very important that you need to lift your wrists up.
06:01My wrists are down, and I'm probably not hitting the keys very well, and then look at this.
06:07I've practiced the piano, and my wrists are up.
06:09Astrid has just got this creative gift right from the beginning.
06:15When she was at the piano, she could pick up things more quickly than the boys.
06:20Mum and Dad, you know, they got married in New Zealand and had five kids in the space in nine years.
06:27Mum was born in Singapore, but she had naturalized as an Australian,
06:31and she had always kind of wanted to go back to Australia.
06:38They moved to Australia to escape anti-Asian racism, and they moved to Queensland in 1998.
06:46It was the height of Pauline Hanson.
06:49I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians.
06:55At school, someone would be kind of speaking about how there's too many Asians.
06:59I'd be like, well, I'm an Asian, and people would disagree with me.
07:04They'd say, well, you're not really...
07:06Like, we don't see you like that.
07:07We don't see you as an other kind of person.
07:09So, I don't know, I think I just tried to push it to the side a bit.
07:18I don't know who it is who convinced Asian immigrants
07:21that the height of success is to be a master of the violin.
07:25I would say that person, you know, should face some pretty hard questions.
07:29Whoever they are.
07:32Astrid would go off to violin lessons every Saturday.
07:35One of my older brothers, Phillip, got on really well with this teacher,
07:38and I observed her getting on well with, I think, all of the other students.
07:43But I had a very hard time emotionally with this teacher,
07:47and she did not like me, and I did not like her.
07:51I thought that music was torture during this time, so it was very confusing,
07:58because music is the most natural thing that I have going on in my body and in my brain.
08:03And I would turn up once a week and someone would sort of yell at me,
08:06just stand over me and just say, you're really stupid and you're so bad at music.
08:09And then I would go do my violin exams and get an A+.
08:14My mum would drop me off to my lessons and pick me up at the end.
08:20But then one lesson, my dad had to pick me up.
08:23I heard the teacher talking to Astrid in a derogatory way, and I thought, oh, my God, this is terrible.
08:33And I was just, like, sobbing uncontrollably on the floor, and this adult person was yelling at me.
08:38I can't remember what she was saying, but it wasn't good.
08:41We just picked up the violin. I said, come on, Astrid, let's go.
08:43It feels like looking at, like, your ex or something, where it didn't quite work out,
08:49but not because anything was wrong, it was just the wrong time or something.
08:52Like, I just feel like, thank you, what a beautiful moment we shared that didn't work out for me.
09:01I ended up just hating music for a bit.
09:03I didn't take music as a subject at high school for ages.
09:06I didn't want to be a part of it.
09:07I found it really confusing and I thought, music's not for me.
09:11Violin didn't work out, but at the same time, there was this other parallel part of her journey.
09:23My precious.
09:24My sister and I loved pop music.
09:27So I used to lay out all of my CDs on my bedspread like little treasures
09:30and just go through them, like, almost like stock take every night.
09:34She would sit in her room and have the stereo going,
09:37listening to B105 Hot 30 Countdown with Kyle and Jackie O.
09:42Ooh.
09:46Astrid's schmozzle.
09:48One night I decided to call up when they invited listeners to call up and write a song.
09:54And I said something stupid and then ten seconds later I was off air
09:57and they offered to send me a free CD.
10:00And I didn't have money to buy CDs but I was like obsessed with music so I wanted more CDs.
10:06It was a childhood of crime, if I'm being honest.
10:09And it worked for a little while but I had called the radio so much that they started to remember my name
10:16and then the producer was like, you can't call anymore, you have too many CDs.
10:21Like, you're hogging the CDs.
10:22And I was like, this is my only CD pipeline.
10:25So then I started to call up as other people.
10:28I'd be like, hello, Kira here.
10:31Like...
10:32Oh, Kira, Kira.
10:33And then Astrid would adopt this other voice of the alter ego so she could take home the free CD for the week.
10:40So, yeah, it was a pretty good gig that she had going there for a while.
10:44This is full of bops.
10:46I never got found out.
10:48If you're finding this out now and you're the radio station, I'm really sorry.
10:53I was the youngest student at my whole school by a year.
11:12I just felt little and small and insignificant when I got to high school.
11:20When I watched the talent contest at school, I saw how that was a pathway to be seen.
11:27That was a way to exist in the minds of others.
11:32I guess it's not nice feeling lonely.
11:36So I just thought, I'll enter the next heat.
11:39I had all of my favourite song lyrics out on my wall in my bedroom
11:44and I just looked at the walls looking for the one that stood out to me.
11:47And a thousand miles, as soon as I saw it, I was like,
11:51that's how I'm going to win friends and influence people.
11:54And I walked downstairs to the piano and played it.
12:02Like, I'd never thought to do that before.
12:04I'd never been like, I love this song.
12:06I'll go and play it.
12:07I didn't know that you could just do that.
12:09And now I wonder if I could fall into the sky.
12:17The crowd went off.
12:19School went crazy.
12:20She loved it.
12:21Oh, cause you know I'd walk a thousand miles if I could just see you tonight.
12:33The whole audience, like hundreds of kids were like,
12:36and I was like, this was easy.
12:39It was such an easy win.
12:46And so, yeah, that sort of clicked a little something in my brain
12:50where I'm like, music is such an easy way to connect with people.
12:53In high school, I didn't love a lot of those years.
13:09I didn't really have a place.
13:11I think mental illness, it's an accumulation of many things.
13:18I put my fingers down my throat and threw up when I would have been,
13:27you know, maybe around 17.
13:32But I had a disordered relationship with eating for a,
13:35far before that first time.
13:41I went through school very convinced that I was an ugly person.
13:46and watched the relationships of many of my peers and other people at school,
13:55and it just seemed to bypass me.
13:58I think that's what drew me a little bit to nunhood.
14:07I wanted some peace and quiet.
14:09I loved the idea of not having to pick your outfits.
14:11We have an aunt who lived in Zambia then,
14:15and who was a nun with the Franciscan missionaries in Lusaka.
14:20That's my aunt up the top right, actually,
14:23Sister Jacinta.
14:24And you can already see that Astrid's already trying to cosplay as a nun here.
14:29I went to meet my auntie,
14:30and I lived in a convent for two months when I was 16.
14:33I would wake up at, like, 5am every day and go to mass and pray five times a day.
14:39When I arrived at, like, my first church service in Zambia,
14:43I was overawed.
14:45Everyone in this space was singing as loud as they could,
14:48but no-one cared.
14:49Like, we were not perceiving each other.
14:51It was like an act of service for each other.
14:53It was the most incredible music I've ever heard.
14:59It really affected her understanding of what can be done
15:02just by improvisation as a community, you know?
15:05You don't need musical training to have a great time with music.
15:13I was having huge spiritual revelations in Zambia,
15:16but it was the music that was blowing my mind, not Jesus.
15:19But I really...I thought it was Jesus for a while.
15:22That's it.
15:24Evan loves collecting records.
15:27He's got such a good collection.
15:30So, when we met in uni
15:31was when she was just starting to change her mind
15:34about wanting to become a nun.
15:36We ended up in lots of each other's classes,
15:38even though we did some pretty random subjects.
15:42I tried to get into a music course at university.
15:46They did not accept me into the opera course.
15:48Very fair.
15:49And so, I just walked around the subject selection day
15:53looking for things to do.
15:55And I added just one music subject,
15:57ear training, oral musicianship.
15:59You're very good at musical thinking.
16:01I don't have, like, an instrument external to my body.
16:05What set her apart from other people in music
16:07was she has a very strong natural ability
16:11for this thing called audiation.
16:14I find it hard to describe what audiation is.
16:16How do you describe it?
16:17Hearing music in your brain when it's not playing out loud.
16:22I think when a lot of people listen to music,
16:24they imagine one thing.
16:25Like, you might listen to the lyrics
16:26or you might like listening to the guitar solo or something.
16:29And so, I would describe that as, like, horizontal listening.
16:34You like listening to the music, kind of, as it travels in time.
16:38But I've always been able to hear the music vertically as well,
16:41like, lots of different textures and, like,
16:43imagine how the song fits together.
16:46And I realised that that is my musical skill.
16:52I mean, I guess, like, I don't really know
16:56how to play any songs on the guitar.
16:59But if I needed to figure it out, I can.
17:03That was the final piece of the puzzle,
17:05where I realised that you can be musical
17:08and you don't need to play an instrument for that to be true.
17:18We both graduated uni with a Bachelor of Arts
17:20and realised that that is not actually a career pathway
17:24specifically for anything.
17:26So, Evan went on and studied medicine.
17:30I didn't know what else to do,
17:32so I got a teacher's qualification as well.
17:35That's when I started writing music,
17:37conducting more choirs,
17:39becoming a musician in the community
17:42while I was a high school teacher.
17:48I used to be a schoolteacher,
17:50and can I just say,
17:51I think schoolteachers work harder than anyone.
17:53Bustrad did not enjoy being a high school music teacher at all.
17:58And then, shake enough that it starts to affect your face a bit.
18:02It was the most awful job for me.
18:03I hated every second of it and every element of it.
18:06Use your face up.
18:08I respond to energy.
18:10With children and teenagers,
18:13even if it's the best day of their life,
18:15they will never communicate that with their face.
18:17You'll never have...
18:20I was just becoming crazy
18:22and then feeling stupid at the end of every day.
18:24I was like,
18:25I have got to find a better way
18:27to channel this huge bubble of anxious energy
18:31in a way that people want.
18:34I suggested that she might consider
18:36being an air traffic controller.
18:38Try it and sing.
18:40She passed all of the aptitude testing
18:42and all of the other tests that were required.
18:45Are you ready to learn a crazy harmony?
18:47I was invited to an in-person interview.
18:50It's the final step.
18:51It had been going for months and months.
18:52And that same week,
18:54I got this email from a school in Townsville.
18:58They wanted to make every single student at the school sing
19:02in a compulsory choir.
19:04Sit on the edge of your chair because you love choir.
19:07I cancelled my air traffic control meeting.
19:09And then when you get to the chorus,
19:10bring it.
19:12I stood on the stage at the school assembly.
19:15I'd never done it before,
19:16but I just knew how to get 500 kids singing.
19:18If you wanna go somewhere,
19:21you better wake up and pay attention.
19:26And I realised that that's the version of music
19:28I had been looking for all along.
19:31The non-competitive, big, welcoming, experiential version of music.
19:37And that was the direct precursor to pub choir.
19:43Oh, one, two, oh, one, two, three.
19:46She had this idea that she was just gonna get a couple of her mates
19:49to come and sing together at this bar in Brisbane.
19:53You know, you're passing by,
19:54you see, oh, I can go in here and have a sing
19:56for the price of a beer.
19:59Why not?
20:00I mean, teaching unwilling teenagers
20:05is pretty similar to teaching drunk adults.
20:09So it was like quite a lot of crossover in skillset.
20:13I just needed to go first.
20:15That's the thing that I knew instinctively.
20:17I will sing every line and you just copy me.
20:19We'll just call and response it.
20:24I got this call being like,
20:25hey, can you come film this gig?
20:27I thought it might be karaoke or something like that.
20:30And then it was like,
20:31oh, the audience are the ones singing.
20:36Elvira and I went along,
20:37we all received a little piece of paper
20:39and the place was packed.
20:42She just stood up the front
20:43and taught this stuff from a lyric sheet in three parts.
20:46I was so nervous before the show.
20:50And the second that it started,
20:51I just knew what to do and say.
20:55She is taking existing popular songs,
20:58deconstructing them by listening to them
20:59hundreds and hundreds of times,
21:01finding ways to rearrange them
21:03and then present it to a crowd.
21:05It was something that people hadn't really seen before.
21:08And it was kind of magical seeing like three part harmony
21:11actually come together.
21:12I felt something really different like in my heart.
21:18I'm like, something has changed.
21:21My life has changed.
21:22I don't know how,
21:23but this is different now that I've done pub choir.
21:30I remember getting a message being like,
21:31hey, this has gone really well.
21:32Like the video was really big.
21:34Let's do it again.
21:35Pub choir is the smallest crew of people.
21:43And for at least the first two years,
21:46I did everything off stage myself.
21:50So I was booking the venues,
21:53finding the licenses for the songs.
21:55I was taking phone calls and complaints.
21:57It actually got so out of control
22:00that I bought a burner phone
22:01and I created a fake assistant.
22:04Hi, thanks for calling pub choir.
22:06This is Kirsten.
22:08Sometimes dealing with some aspects of the music industry
22:11can be difficult being, you know, not listened to,
22:14or they'll ask, ask the nearest man
22:17the questions that should be directed to Astrid as the boss.
22:20Many people have talked down to me over the years
22:23to do with pub choir
22:24because they see me
22:26as a person who couldn't possibly be in charge,
22:28who couldn't possibly have thought of this.
22:32There seems to be a problem with the pre-sales.
22:35Eventually, I realised that I needed a person
22:37in the real world to help me.
22:39It was supposed to be full capacity.
22:41So about two years in, I hired John Patterson,
22:43who has been pub choir's manager ever since.
22:45Ooh, yeah, it's just an ooh, yeah.
22:47She invited me to a show and I was like,
22:50this is magic.
22:52Like, she's casting a spell.
22:54Like, she's using her hands and casting a spell on the audience.
22:57I was like, I'll do the work.
22:59But yeah, you're in charge.
23:05It was just exponentially growing.
23:07Each gig was twice the size of the last.
23:09The momentum was enormous.
23:15She sort of sold out these larger and larger venues in Brisbane.
23:20Then decided to start touring Australia.
23:23That continued to work well.
23:24And then got booked for South by Southwest in Austin, Texas,
23:28which is this huge, world-famous, amazing festival.
23:32And that was probably going to be the big international break,
23:35but that's when the COVID pandemic began.
23:38Heightened states of emergency across the nation.
23:40California shutting down bars and wineries and asking those...
23:41We were in San Francisco when a mandate came through that no-one could go out.
23:53Aussies are being urged to board planes and head for home.
23:56And then so we just had to pack up and go to the airport.
23:5920,000 tickets disappeared overnight.
24:01The federal government banning a non-essential indoor gathering.
24:04It was a terrible time to be a live musician.
24:12Something that Astrid's very good at and something that I admire about her is she's very quick to pivot.
24:17And she came up with the idea of couch choir.
24:20Welcome to our first attempt at couch choir.
24:23We have sung through three different harmonies for Close To You by the Carpenters.
24:29So you record yourself singing your part and when you're happy with it, you're going to send it back to us.
24:34Astrid and John were like, hey, we've got an idea to keep our jobs.
24:38How about we do a virtual kind of choir like Astrid normally does?
24:44Get a lot of submissions and get people to send it in.
24:47I'm going to sing through the whole part from start to finish.
24:50And I'm going to sing the guy's part.
24:55Why do birds they appear?
25:00I thought a hundred would be awesome.
25:04That's quite a big choir already, but a thousand was unbelievable.
25:07We weren't ready for that.
25:09We'd never done it before.
25:15No one told us how, there was no app.
25:17We just figured it out in real time because we cared and we were motivated.
25:20So they sprinkle the moon dust in your hair.
25:24Oh, the star light in your eyes are blue.
25:27Hundreds of everyday Aussies singing the one song from the comfort of their very own cow.
25:32You know, in this moment of real sadness and anxiety around the world,
25:37she found a way to bring people together even from within their own homes.
25:42You know, it was a brilliant, brilliant idea.
25:44And it was playing immediately all around the world.
25:48A thousand people from 18 countries took part in this virtual choir performance.
25:52People started following us from all these new places and it like helped helped me express my idea in places that would have never heard about pub choir.
26:03I've done the soundcheck. People are starting to arrive. I think we have our first show in two years. It's wild.
26:21It was so hard to get people to buy tickets once the COVID restrictions lifted.
26:28I cannot believe. I have so many goosebumps. It is amazing to see you!
26:35Prior to COVID, people were buying a thousand tickets in a minute and then after COVID, the venues, even when the restrictions were lifted and it could be full capacity, we were selling half capacity.
26:45Because people just weren't, weren't keen.
26:51The person who changed that for me was Kate Bush.
26:59Wrote a beautiful string arrangement and everything just worked that night quite well.
27:04And when the video came out, Kate Bush shared it.
27:06When I could, we'd deal with God.
27:10And then we'd just walk out with it.
27:13We'd run that road and we'd run that road and we'd run that road and we'd run that road and we'd run that road.
27:18Kate Bush is notoriously very private and doesn't chit-chat and give lots of media interviews.
27:25So this was such a rare email that was sent.
27:26And it caught the attention of so many people around the world that from that show, from Kate Bush onwards, every show has been sold out from then on.
27:43Choirs are a very old idea, but it seems to have, yeah, struck a chord with people.
27:48I had 5,000 people the other day in Sydney and in Melbourne and there'll be 7,000 at Christmas in Brisbane.
27:56And there were 10,000 people in America who came to shows.
28:01I keep thinking to myself, like, I wonder if I'm like a fraud. Do people know that this is a choir lesson?
28:07Two minutes, two minutes, two minutes.
28:09Steven and I pinch ourselves.
28:11Hello, Brisbane!
28:19And I said, you know, that's our daughter, you know, sort of thing.
28:23I have both, you know.
28:25This is the tempo. This is our first attempt, maybe of two, possibly of three.
28:30OK. Here we go.
28:32She has tapped into something in our culture at this point of time.
28:35It's not just going and listening, it's wanting to be a participant.
28:50It's about togetherness and it's about an experience that can only happen in a real life space with human beings in a room together.
28:58And that to me is, we need more of those kind of experiences in our lives.
29:04Don't stop me now, I wanna have a good time.
29:08I tried so many musical things before pub choir just because I knew I was musical.
29:13But all of the things that I tried were very inauthentic to me.
29:17What a relief that the real thing is the one that people have responded to.
29:24What a treat. I just get to be myself on stage and people clap.
29:29That's crazy.
29:47Anything is possible!
29:48It's impossible!
29:54Yay!
29:56Oh, my God!
29:58You're all done.
29:59I always hate it.
30:05OK.
30:07All right.
30:08Let's struggle with the punch.
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