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Jackee Taylor was 7 years old when she entered the Witness Protection Program in 1981, and she has remained in it for over 40 years. Her father, Clarence "Butch" Crouch, was a member of the Cleveland Hells Angels. His decision to turn state's evidence upended his family's life. After years of struggling to prove her identity, which put her children at risk of losing their health insurance, Taylor went to the press in 2010.
Taylor provides insight into the often misunderstood world of witness protection, detailing the challenges of living with a secret identity and how a parent's crimes can affect their children's lives. She describes a lack of support from the United States Marshals Service after being placed in the program and the difficulties of obtaining proper identification and adequate mental healthcare.
Since going public, Taylor has become an advocate for reform in witness protection. Her family's story was detailed in a narrative podcast series released in 2020, "Relative Unknown." The second season is currently in development.
For more:
https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/relative-unknown/id1526581627
https://open.spotify.com/show/0sdRJmu7Wewl5dKw7o0nPE?si=5b4c63aa94714c92
Taylor provides insight into the often misunderstood world of witness protection, detailing the challenges of living with a secret identity and how a parent's crimes can affect their children's lives. She describes a lack of support from the United States Marshals Service after being placed in the program and the difficulties of obtaining proper identification and adequate mental healthcare.
Since going public, Taylor has become an advocate for reform in witness protection. Her family's story was detailed in a narrative podcast series released in 2020, "Relative Unknown." The second season is currently in development.
For more:
https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/relative-unknown/id1526581627
https://open.spotify.com/show/0sdRJmu7Wewl5dKw7o0nPE?si=5b4c63aa94714c92
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00:00My name's Jackie Taylor, but that's not my real name.
00:03When I was seven years old, I was put into witness protection.
00:06This is everything I'm authorized to tell you.
00:10No, we didn't get a new house, and no, we didn't get a new car,
00:13and no, we definitely did not get a briefcase full of money.
00:16People's assumptions of what goes on in the witness protection program
00:20is generated from Hollywood because nobody really knows what goes on
00:24besides people like me that are in it.
00:26The only aspect that Hollywood got right is how we were taken out of our beds
00:31by men in black in the middle of the night.
00:39Growing up, I believe I actually came home from the hospital
00:43to the Cleveland Hells Angels Clubhouse,
00:46and still to this day I feel, oh, I love that culture.
00:49There was a lot of family involvement.
00:51There were kids and moms, and we had backyard barbecues all the time.
00:56I thought it was normal for every man to have a blade on their belt,
01:03or I thought it was normal for them to all have pistols in their boots.
01:07My father was Butch Crouch.
01:09He was one of the founding members of the Banditos in Houston.
01:13So in about 1969, he took his coat off, his Banditos coat,
01:17and he was recruited by Sonny Barger to start some clubs up in the Northeast states.
01:25He ended up settling in Cleveland, Ohio,
01:27and became vice president of one of the Cleveland Hells Angels chapters up there.
01:31And that's where he met my mother.
01:34My father was no saint.
01:36His rap sheet in Louisiana and Texas alone was insane.
01:39I found it.
01:40He was very abusive to my mother.
01:42Right around 1974, 1975, the club started to fracture.
01:49The club was supposed to be voting on different things that happened,
01:52especially if a life was supposed to be taken.
01:57That had to be a unanimous decision.
02:00In 1975, a member of the Cleveland Hells Angels went rogue, I guess you could say,
02:07and decided that he was going to bomb a house.
02:09He wanted to, what was called, roll his bones.
02:13He wanted to get patched in.
02:15He did bomb that house with a couple other people, and he killed three people.
02:20That was a Sigley bombing.
02:22And an 18-month-old baby was killed along with his mother.
02:26At the time, I was the same age as the baby and running around the clubhouse.
02:30It really upset a lot of the club members, especially my father.
02:34I think that's when my father started to kind of branch off mentally from the club.
02:37Very, very early 1981, my mother actually left my father and took all of us children down to Florida to get away from him.
02:46And that's when my father really decided, okay, now my wife and children just left me.
02:52This isn't the life that I wanted.
02:54So my father left the club in early, or about mid-1981, I believe.
03:00A person like my father could not walk away and be out good.
03:04So he knew he'd be out bad, which is not good for him or his family.
03:10So what my father decided to do was to call the ATF and to see if he offered them a lot of information on different crimes that had occurred,
03:18if they would place him and his family in witness protection.
03:21So he told the marshals that for him to further cooperate, that he wanted his wife and kids back.
03:28The marshals reached out to my mother and told my mother, you know, we know that you left Butch,
03:33but now he turned government witness and you have to come back to him.
03:39You have to come back to this abusive man.
03:41Because now he's testifying against all these people, and you're all going to be killed if you don't go back with them and go into witness protection.
03:49When my father decided to turn on the club, he did rat everybody out.
03:54Yes, he was a rat.
03:56But he decided, well, if I'm going to do this right, I'm going to do it.
03:59I need to tell you guys something.
04:01I killed Donald Delosario.
04:03He had taken a life of an 18-year-old kid in a drive-by shooting that was intended for somebody else.
04:10And he didn't receive a reduced sentence.
04:14I believe he was given 10 to 40 in a federal prison.
04:22We were taken out of our beds.
04:25I was 7, my sister was 5, and my brother was 2.
04:28We were all absolutely terrified.
04:32We had no idea what was going on.
04:34My mother knew.
04:35My mother had been making plans secretly.
04:37When she would do laundry, she'd put a couple shirts away or a couple pairs of shorts.
04:42She couldn't take everything.
04:44I think she packed a suitcase for each kid.
04:47We were put into vans and taken to a hotel.
04:50Switched vans, I remember that.
04:52And eventually reunited with my father.
04:56And then we went to a safe house.
04:58There's a handful of safe houses across the U.S., and we were put in one.
05:02It was a giant house with different wings on it.
05:06They made meals for us.
05:08The marshals, I remember them cooking with their sidearms.
05:12I actually have a picture of us eating Thanksgiving dinner with the marshals.
05:17We weren't permitted to leave.
05:18We weren't in prison by any means, but, you know, we couldn't leave without them.
05:23So I remember we went to Kmart.
05:25That was kind of a big thing.
05:26We all had to pile in the van, and, you know, we just did a little Kmart thing.
05:31I think we were in the safe house for about three months.
05:33From everything that I've heard from other people, it usually takes about two or three
05:37months for all the proper paperwork to be done to, you know, create a new identity.
05:48The marshals asked my mother and asked my father, name the top three places that you would like
05:54to live.
05:55So my mother, I believe, said California, Hawaii, and Florida.
05:58And my father probably said Texas, Louisiana, Florida, whatever.
06:02So they put us in Montana.
06:04All of my mother's best friends knew she loved going to California.
06:08That's why they put us in Montana.
06:10Nobody would ever suspect that we were in Montana.
06:14We were flown there.
06:16We came from Florida.
06:17So we were wearing Florida clothes.
06:19We were allotted about $12.61 a month back in 1981.
06:23We were put in a motel, the Esquire Motor Inn.
06:29This was a flea bag of a motel.
06:31It was disgusting.
06:33They bring us to Montana at the end of January.
06:37And it's snow.
06:38It's cold.
06:39We have no car.
06:41We have no winter clothes.
06:43Did they provide us winter clothes?
06:44No.
06:45So that $12.61 that we were allotted a month had to be immediately spent on, you know,
06:50some winter gear.
06:52And we had to pay our hotel.
06:54They probably paid it the first month, I'm guessing.
06:57I found out later in life that my mother was really scrimping and scraping even that first
07:04month to feed us.
07:05There was absolutely no extra.
07:07If you ran out, you ran out.
07:08And that's tough.
07:09You're going to have to figure out how to feed your family on $5 this week.
07:13Uncovering all that I've uncovered about different members being in witness protection is that
07:18there's a tier level.
07:19So the better testimony, the more convictions you get, the better life that you're going
07:24to have afterwards.
07:25My father didn't get any convictions at first.
07:29He did end up getting a conviction later.
07:31And I think that they were angry that my father didn't get any convictions.
07:35Oh, he has a crappy witness, you know, let's just, you know, we just got dumped there.
07:40We all got different Social Security numbers.
07:43Mine's from Wisconsin, a man who passed away in Wisconsin.
07:46I have his Social Security number.
07:48My mom's was from New York.
07:50We all have different prefixes.
07:52So it looks like we were all born in all different places.
07:55My mother had to start from scratch with her Social Security.
07:58So everything that she'd built up with Social Security, gone.
08:02She had to start all over again.
08:04So she had to work extra in her life.
08:07She has to cut off all of her family ties.
08:09She can never talk to her parents again.
08:11We were never permitted to talk to our grandparents who were, you know, we were so close with.
08:17She wasn't even allowed to go talk to a counselor.
08:20And they didn't provide counseling.
08:21So how are you supposed to deal with that?
08:23So my mother did break protocol.
08:26She started calling her parents again.
08:27The biggest reason was mental support, but also financial support.
08:33Because my father went back and he was going back and forth testifying.
08:37He was only in the house with us in Montana for right around a year.
08:43And then he went to prison for life.
08:45Everything was very sugar-coated with us children.
08:53Rightfully so, I guess.
08:54No kid wants to find out that her dad's a killer.
08:58But we were told that my father was going to work on a boat.
09:01It makes sense, you know, because we weren't allowed to call him.
09:04We could write him letters.
09:06But, you know, there was no talking to him on the phone and stuff like that.
09:10Because he was going to be out at sea working very hard.
09:14And he would come into port, you know, maybe once a month he'd be able to call us.
09:18My mother became angry that I wanted to go, you know, live with my father.
09:22And I had all these fantasies about how wonderful my father was.
09:26And she's working her tail off as a nurse.
09:29And my father's in prison, not paying child support.
09:33You know, all of us kids are talking about how hard daddy's working.
09:36And my mother eventually sat us down with the school counselor and told us the truth.
09:43It shattered, shattered me as a kid.
09:47I believe I was about 10 years old.
09:49I originally had a lot of anger how my mother told us children.
09:55Because she said, you know, your father's not working on a boat.
09:58He killed a kid and now he went to prison.
10:01And I'll never forget the look of sadness on my counselor's face that it was told to us like that.
10:09I've forgiven her for how she told us.
10:11She didn't know any better.
10:12She was so incredibly traumatized by everything she went to and not having the ability or the resources to talk to anybody.
10:24Her mothering skills were starting to dissipate and take on a life of their own and get borderline abusive.
10:35And she needed help.
10:37She needed mom time.
10:39Rightfully so.
10:41So she was secretly shipping us children off to Ohio like the day after school got out.
10:49So we spent all summer, every summer, secretly back in Ohio with my grandparents.
10:55After we were put into witness protection, the president of the Cleveland chapter went to my grandparents' house and talked to my grandfather.
11:05And he told my grandfather, Mary and the children are not in danger.
11:10You have my word.
11:12We just want butch.
11:13My grandfather was a very good judge of character, and he knew that we were safe and that it was okay for us to come back and forth.
11:22My grandparents had this great place with lakes and piers, and we were fishing every day.
11:27And I don't remember being nervous as a kid going back to Ohio.
11:30I was just so happy to be back there.
11:32Jacqueline Angelique Crouch, that's my given name.
11:41And I don't know how they do it now or if this is typical of every case, but my mother actually chose our new name, our new last name.
11:49She'd always liked Elizabeth Taylor.
11:51So she decided we had to pick a real generic name, Smith Brown Taylor, something like that.
11:56And she had picked Taylor after Elizabeth Taylor.
12:00I had one of the notebooks where the kids can practice writing their letters.
12:04And I remember I had to fill up that whole book with my new name, Jacqueline Ann Taylor, over and over and over.
12:13I wrote that out.
12:14I got in trouble for lying as a child.
12:16And now I'm told that I have to lie to every person I know, or I could be killed, or my family could be killed.
12:25Or if you see a motorcycle, that motorcycles are not good anymore.
12:29And then being told that hearing that sound, we have to hide.
12:34Those are bad guys now.
12:36That messes with a kid.
12:38Of course I felt like I was different.
12:40But, you know, I'm a seven-year-old kid, and I was always a happy kid.
12:43But when we moved to Montana, everything changed.
12:47It was different.
12:47I was nervous to start school.
12:49When you're a teenager, you're curious about who you are, and you start experimenting with drugs or alcohol.
12:56My thing was when I started drinking, I started talking.
13:00And I started talking too much, and I started telling people.
13:05And then I was coined a liar.
13:08My best friends, you know, to this day, they're, I can't believe that that, I still can't believe that that's real.
13:13That you weren't full of it, because we all thought that you were lying about it, Jackie.
13:19You know, and I just kind of felt like an idiot, and I'd drink more or do more, you know, experiment with different drugs.
13:24And that ended up being a huge escape for me.
13:27I had gotten in a lot of fights.
13:28I was stealing from cars.
13:30I was shoplifting.
13:31I went to rehab when I was 14, and then I was put in a psychiatric hospital when I was 15, and then I was put into a group home when I was, after that.
13:45I'm in a psychiatric hospital, and I'm telling my psychiatrist that where all of this is stemming from.
13:54And I'm not being believed, so now, you know, I'm getting, I'm being misdiagnosed.
14:00I remember laying in bed one night in this psychiatric institution, thinking to myself, I'm going to just have to figure out how to deal with this by myself.
14:09No, nobody's ever going to believe me.
14:12It's just a fundamental part of life.
14:15We all need to know who we are, where we came from.
14:18I didn't have those answers, and they were shrouded in secrecy to where I had to look in the newspaper, finding articles about my dad, hours and hours and hours of research, and finding these articles about my father.
14:33Growing up and not having this information and not knowing why I was even on the Witness Protection Program really propelled me to just kind of launch my own investigative journey and storm the federal building.
14:48In 1993, I believe it was.
14:52When I got into who I needed to talk to that day, I got scolded and eventually escorted out of the federal building.
15:00I wasn't allowed to go into the federal building and even tell a marshal that I was on Witness Protection.
15:07I didn't know that.
15:08As an adult, I have never signed anything.
15:11I have never had an agent sit me down and tell me, this is what you can do and this is what you can't do.
15:18So right now, they're calling me a breached member of security, but am I?
15:22How can I breach a contract that I have no idea what that contract even entails?
15:29So no, I am not a breached member.
15:31I am still a member.
15:32The issues that I've had and that what I've come across in my work is a lot of people were not given birth certificates or their Social Security numbers were messed up.
15:49Now, you have to remember back in 1971 when the program was first initiated and the first family was put into protective custody, we didn't have the Internet.
16:00We didn't have everything all tied together.
16:04Now, it's flagging on a home loan that I tried to get, an SBA loan, small business loan, and what can they do about that?
16:13They can't really give me a new Social Security number.
16:15At this point, I'm 51 years old.
16:18I believe back in about 1985, my mom wanted to sign us up for softball and Girl Scouts, things like that.
16:24Back then, you needed birth certificates.
16:26All I know is that the judge back then refused to give us birth certificates, so I've never had a birth certificate under my name.
16:36I only have a Social Security card, and they had given us passports back then.
16:42So remember, I was put into witness protection in 1981.
16:461997, 16 years later, I'm trying to get a marriage license and I'm trying to also go to college.
16:53I don't have a birth certificate.
16:56The lady in the Yellowstone County courthouse absolutely refused.
17:00I'm like, call the marshals.
17:01Well, they're not going to acknowledge that I'm in WITSEC.
17:04What he did say to that lady was, I can attest that she does not have a birth certificate.
17:10She is Jackie Taylor.
17:11Please issue her a marriage license.
17:13She said, okay, thank you.
17:14Hung up and said, nope, still not going to do it.
17:16Go to the next county and try them.
17:18So I almost couldn't get married.
17:20Now I'm trying to go to college.
17:21Back then, I had to sit down with the admissions board and plead my case.
17:29Thank goodness, my next door neighbor who I'd babysat for, she didn't know I was on the
17:34witness protection program until that day that I sat down the college admissions board.
17:39She was head of it.
17:41And I just remember her looking at me going, when I was telling my story.
17:45So I was able to get into college pretty much because of somebody that I knew that knew me
17:50and that knew that my name has always been Jackie Taylor.
17:54So I did actually reach out and I did obtain my old birth certificate.
18:01But I can't use it.
18:02That's a federal offense.
18:03I can't go back to my old identity.
18:05I have to go through the courts, blah, blah, blah.
18:07At this stage in my life, it's just, it's pointless.
18:10So 45 years later, I'm still struggling with all these problems.
18:15I have been paying taxes.
18:17I have been a working member of society since 1990.
18:222017 was the last time that they accepted my tax file when I filed my taxes.
18:27So when my father originally got out of prison, he served about eight years of a sentence.
18:37He was moved again and given the name Paul Dome.
18:40He met a lady.
18:42They ended up getting married and they bought a little chunk of property out in East Texas.
18:47And he settled there for, I think, about 11 years.
18:50Right about 2006, I had visited my aunt down in Louisiana.
18:55And she asked me, do you want to go see your daddy?
18:58And I went, because I still had so much hatred for him.
19:02I thought, well, maybe I could go down there and at least kneecap him or something.
19:07So I had intentions of hurting him.
19:10I didn't tell her that.
19:11But she took me that week to go see him.
19:15And then he opened the door and there's this crippled old man standing in front of me
19:21that happened to be my daddy.
19:24And all that anger, all my plans of retaliation to this man who destroyed so many lives just melted away.
19:33It was actually very healing and cathartic.
19:36And we kind of started having a father-daughter relationship again.
19:42He just seemed more docile, I guess.
19:47But that's not the case.
19:50That's not how it ended.
19:53In 2013, I had taken my kids down to Disney World and SeaWorld.
19:58And then we went and we were in the Keys.
20:00And my aunt called me.
20:02Laying in my hotel bed the last night of my wonderful trip down to Disney World with my kids,
20:08I find out that my father had done these terrible things.
20:12My father took the life of his wife, took the life of his stepson, sat in the Texas heat for three days,
20:20pondering what he just did, and then took his own life.
20:23He ended up burning the house down.
20:26And while the house was on fire, he was sitting in his car.
20:30And when the fire department pulled up is when he ended his life.
20:35My father wasn't a good man.
20:37And now he's an old crippled man out in the middle of nowhere, Texas.
20:43And nobody's keeping an eye on this man who has admitted to taking many, many lives.
20:50I ended up going back down there.
20:51And I went down there to actually bury my stepmother and my stepbrother.
20:58I told them to put my father in a box and throw him in the Red River.
21:02As far as I know, he took their lives.
21:05But then I started digging into what the sheriffs saved for me.
21:11He left me a big black steamer trunk full of pictures, letters to the U.S. Marshals,
21:17letters to the Social Security Administration.
21:20He had written a manuscript.
21:22He kept every letter that he ever wrote, in prison, out of prison, everything.
21:27And I started digging into his trunk and digging into these letters that he wrote and finding out.
21:31A month before he passed away, wrote a pleading letter to the Marshals,
21:43begging the Marshals to help him so that he could go get medical care.
21:48We all know that when we're in physical pain, it can take a toll on our mental health.
21:51I had no idea that she was sick.
21:54I had no idea that his stepson had terminal brain cancer.
21:57And I had no idea that my father was in such dire straits with his physical health as well.
22:04I thought that these killings were in cold blood.
22:07I didn't know.
22:07I didn't know the surrounding circumstances.
22:10I'm not condoning anything that he did because he shouldn't have done it.
22:13But he wasn't thinking clearly because he was in so much physical pain.
22:17At the end of the day, it's still Butch Crouch.
22:19I found out so much about myself and my past through his death and what he left for me.
22:33My father wrote this manuscript.
22:36It's 1,100 pages depicting outlaw biker culture, his experiences from 1966 to 1981.
22:46Everything that he did, everybody he saw, every run that he made, all club activities are depicted in this manuscript.
22:55And I found, like, the gold mine of outlaw biker history.
23:01Also on the big steamer trunk that he left me were his patches.
23:06So this particular club, you do not possess the patches ever unless they're on the back of your coat.
23:14I actually went back to Cleveland.
23:19And I went unannounced.
23:20And I did the cold knock on the clubhouse door.
23:25And the guy opened the door.
23:28And I said, Hi, I'm Jackie Taylor.
23:31I'm Butch Crouch's daughter.
23:33I'm here to return his patches.
23:34He's dead.
23:36It's just something that I had to do out of respect.
23:39The president called me within a day or two.
23:42I spoke to him on the phone that day.
23:43And we went and had a sit-down dinner together.
23:47And this is a man that babysat me, you know.
23:50He told me, Jack, you guys were never in danger.
23:53We would have never hurt you or your mother.
23:55Are you kidding me?
23:57You know, we loved you guys.
23:58I changed your diapers.
23:59I would have never done that to you.
24:00And that, um, I was comforting.
24:04But the anger that started to build inside me towards the marshals is something that I'll never even be able to articulate properly.
24:17Um, I just, it was all for nothing.
24:20But they were never after us.
24:21They wanted my father.
24:22Of course they wanted my father.
24:24But they were never after us.
24:26My mother was so beloved throughout the club.
24:29Um, she was their nurse.
24:31She was their cake decorator.
24:32She took care of all of them.
24:34I was listening to the adults around me that were telling me they were going to kill me.
24:38So, you know, that was very, it was nice to hear that I wasn't in danger anymore.
24:44Or that I never was.
24:45I finally felt safe for once in my life.
24:53So now it's starting to affect my children.
24:56Third generation witness protection problems.
24:59My children's Medicaid was canceled because I don't have a birth certificate.
25:04And I spent two days on the phone, um, calling the marshals, calling anybody that would listen, and eventually calling the governor's office, talking to his aide.
25:13No help.
25:14Nobody.
25:14It was just a baton passing for two days.
25:17That's what propelled me and threw me into the media.
25:20My mom always said something that stuck with me.
25:23If all else fails, go to the papers.
25:25And that's what I've done.
25:27And I'm not going away.
25:28I'm just going to get louder.
25:31So the first article in 2010 came out in the Sunday Gazette.
25:36One or two days later, I got the call.
25:38And I looked at my phone, and I knew immediately that it was the marshals.
25:43So they just, they just want to get me out of the media.
25:46People have reached out to me over the years that have similar issues like I do.
25:52Wanting advice or help or what did you do?
25:54And yes, there's things, there's avenues that you can take to get this, this, and that.
25:59And I've been an advocate to these people, for these people.
26:02Because they still can't come out of hiding.
26:04They don't want to get in trouble, but nobody's answering their phone calls.
26:08So who do they call?
26:09They call me.
26:10I've kind of formed a little coalition amongst us and a little group of us.
26:15Since I went public, my efforts have kind of changed a little bit into helping those around me
26:22that are suffering from the same problems.
26:23Because number one, nobody believes them.
26:26And number two, I'm the only one who understands what they're going through.
26:38I'm not advocating so much for the adults that made the decision to go into witness protection
26:45because they made the choice.
26:48I'm advocating for the children that did not make that choice.
26:53My big thing also is, you know, advocating for mental health.
26:57In the program, we need counseling, for gosh sakes.
27:01You know, we definitely need to form some sort of a committee to oversee their actions
27:06and their policies and how they are treating their members.
27:11As much as I've spoken out about the Marshals, I would love to come and work for them
27:16and to help them rectify the situation so I can finally shut up and go on with my life.
27:23These people also want to go on with their life.
27:25But I can't stop because I'm their voice.
27:28And I wouldn't be able to go on living with myself knowing that they're all struggling.
27:33I lost one of the gals that has been reaching out to me for years.
27:37You know, is that going to be documented?
27:39Nope.
27:40But she's no longer with us.
27:42She couldn't take it anymore.
27:44You know, a lot of these people are in and out of prison.
27:47There's more taxpayer dollars right there.
27:49You know, if you're not spending the money on helping us become productive members of
27:54society, then you're going to spend money on either our burials or you're going to spend
28:00money on us in prison.
28:02Three big things that we absolutely need to restructure.
28:07We have to have proper identification.
28:10We have to have mental health care.
28:12And we have to have medical until we can substantiate ourselves as adults.
28:18We're such a small society, 19,250 of us, the majority of those being adults.
28:24So let's just say 4,000 to 5,000 children.
28:27I don't care if there's five of us.
28:29I committed no crimes to put me in the position that I'm in.
28:34I always said the Witness Protection Program was more secretive than the CIA.
28:38Nobody, you know, the numbers aren't out there.
28:41They're not answering our calls.
28:43There's nobody that we can really call.
28:45We are given this generic number that we can call or an address that we can write a letter
28:51to.
28:51We've all written the letters.
28:53We've all had them sent registered mail or return receipt.
28:58And, you know, they always say that they don't get our letters or we're just people pass the
29:03buck on.
29:04Nobody's taking responsibility for an individual member.
29:07My ultimate goal absolutely would be to testify in front of Congress and tell them of the
29:13hardships that I've had personally, my family and those around me that have reached out with
29:19the Witness Protection Program and what struggles I face.
29:22They need to hear this.
29:23Why are we throwing money at something that is broken and not working?
29:27Let's admit it.
29:28Organized crime isn't going away anytime soon.
29:31If we have organized crime, we're going to need witness protection, right?
29:35So we need to fix this because it's fundamentally flawed.
29:39So I'm getting louder with my release of my podcast, Relative Unknown.
29:44It is a 10 episode podcast.
29:47It's about an hour long each episode.
29:49It covers mental health.
29:51It covers witness protection.
29:52It covers the biker culture.
29:54So now I'm working on season two of Relative Unknown and it's titled The Others.
30:00Their stories need to be told now.
30:02It's all fascinating.
30:03I'm excited to do this work, but do I want to be doing this work?
30:07No.
30:09I just want to live a happy life in Montana.
30:11Out in my little mountain town that I have a bar and restaurant in, you know, 51 years
30:17old, I finally found my people.
30:19I'm so happy and content there.
30:21And that's the life that I just want to live.
30:24I don't want to do this.
30:25I just want it to be over and I can't go away until it's fixed.
30:29Hi, I'm a producer and authorised account.
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