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CTP (S3EOctSpecial2) Bail, Justice, and Consequences
We trace Ken W. Good’s journey from Texas roots to bail law expert and unpack why popular reform models produced more failure-to-appear, larger backlogs, and fewer consequences. Faith, forgiveness, and public safety meet in a frank conversation about broken windows, accountability, and what data really shows.
• Ken W Good’s background and path into bail law
• O’Donnell v Harris County’s rise, reversals, and lessons
• Faith, forgiveness, and the need for earthly justice
• Crime concentration and the cost of failed appearances
• Broken windows as a practical anti-crime tool
• Why no-cash bail models increase backlogs and dismissals
• Media narratives versus measured outcomes
• Resources to track reform data and legislation
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We trace Ken W. Good’s journey from Texas roots to bail law expert and unpack why popular reform models produced more failure-to-appear, larger backlogs, and fewer consequences. Faith, forgiveness, and public safety meet in a frank conversation about broken windows, accountability, and what data really shows.
• Ken W Good’s background and path into bail law
• O’Donnell v Harris County’s rise, reversals, and lessons
• Faith, forgiveness, and the need for earthly justice
• Crime concentration and the cost of failed appearances
• Broken windows as a practical anti-crime tool
• Why no-cash bail models increase backlogs and dismissals
• Media narratives versus measured outcomes
• Resources to track reform data and legislation
Like and subscribe to Christitutionalist Politics Podcast and share episodes
For more information, they can go to our website, pbtx.com
You can also just go to theBailpost.com
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00:00Welcome to the Constitutionalist Politics Podcast, a.k.a. CTP.
00:07I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard, and that's L-E-N-A-R-D.
00:12CTP is your no-must, no-fuss, just-me-you-and-occasional-guest-type podcast.
00:19I really appreciate you tuning in.
00:22As Graham Norton will say, let's get on with the show!
00:25Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Constitutionalist Podcast.
00:35We were supposed to be talking today with Johnny B. Good.
00:40Hey, wasn't available, so we have to settle for Ken W. Good.
00:47A distant cousin.
00:48Yeah, it's a joke, people. It's just a joke.
00:53Seriously, very much looking forward to talking with Ken W. Good since I and his team connected earlier this month, the month being September.
01:07We are recording Monday, September the 29th.
01:12I say that for behind-the-scenes purposes.
01:17And welcome to the show, Ken W. Good.
01:21Oh, well, thank you so much for having me.
01:23I've heard all the good jokes you have.
01:25I've heard the goody-two-shoes, Mr. Goodbar.
01:30You know, people, even though there's no E on it, people have called me Mr. Goad.
01:34So, yeah.
01:36Well, thank you.
01:37I'm glad you added that to the show.
01:40You have a sense of humor, right?
01:43And I'm sensitive to names because I'm Joseph M. Leonard.
01:49It looks French.
01:50It's not Lenard.
01:52It's Leonard without an O.
01:54And I have to put my middle initial in there like you do, too.
01:59You know, a last name that's similar in any way to someone else, you need the middle initial.
02:05Because there is a Joseph Lenard out of South Carolina that's also an author.
02:12I put my middle initial because if you just put Ken Good, it sounds like Ken Goods.
02:18Another good joke.
02:20No, that's great.
02:22Or, well, with the W in there, if they miss the G, they may think you're associated with Penn Wood Trucks.
02:33Well, I've been called Ken Wood before, so that's not anything new either.
02:41So, all right.
02:43Wasted enough time, but my audience knows I can never pass on whatever lame puns can be worked in.
02:51And, indeed, if we can't make fun of ourselves and our names, we shouldn't make fun of anyone else.
02:57But before we get to the why are you here, let's get into the who are you, where were you born and raised, where are you now, that sort of thing.
03:10Okay.
03:11So, my name is Ken Good.
03:13I am, you know, I say this with trepidation, I'm 64 years old.
03:18I just turned 63 this year, so.
03:20Yeah, so, I'm a year older than you.
03:24I was born in Texas.
03:26I was born in this little town called Anson, Texas, which is north of Abilene.
03:31And you don't have any of that accent still at all.
03:36Yeah.
03:38We're laughing.
03:38None.
03:39I'm working on it.
03:40I'm trying to decrease it a little bit.
03:43For the benefit of the transcript, we're laughing.
03:47We're laughing.
03:48Okay?
03:49Go on.
03:50Well, I grew up in Texas.
03:52My parents were public school teachers.
03:55They taught us the importance of an education.
03:57But, you know, we grew up in a really small town.
03:59I mean, a town where everybody became ranchers and farmers.
04:03Nobody went to college.
04:05I had 24 people in my high school class.
04:07I think five of us went to college.
04:09And I think that's changed since then.
04:11But, I mean, that was back in 1979.
04:15But my mother and I always watched Perry Mason late at night.
04:19You know, at that time, they had the news on Sunday night.
04:22And then they have sports extra from 1030 to 1035.
04:27And then from 1035 to 1135, which was late, even for us, we would stay up and watch Perry Mason.
04:34So, I always had a dream of going to law school.
04:37And I would say it was a dream.
04:39It wasn't a goal because I really didn't understand goals at that age.
04:42And so, I really didn't, you know, get in the first time I applied because I worked three, you know, worked almost full time.
04:49I graduated from college in three years instead of four.
04:53And I worked.
04:54And so, my grades reflected that you can't do both full time.
04:58And so, I got a master's degree.
05:00I taught high school for two years like my parents did.
05:02And then I went to law school.
05:04And so, I was, I loved law school.
05:07Loved everything about it.
05:08I was on law review.
05:10I was on a lot of national team speaking events.
05:14It's just kind of where I clicked.
05:16I was just very blessed.
05:18And so, but also kind of naive.
05:20I think one of the kids are one of the running jokes when I first got there in law school was that, you know, Brennan had been on the U.S. Supreme Court for so long, he had been appointed by Abraham Lincoln.
05:32And it took me several months to work out in my head the numbers to realize that there was no possible way that Brennan had been appointed by Abraham Lincoln.
05:42And so, I was like, oh, that was a joke.
05:44Okay.
05:45I'm just naive.
05:46I didn't realize it.
05:48So, you know, I graduated from law school in 1989.
05:51I moved to Tyler, Texas.
05:53I was working for a large firm that had a Tyler office.
05:58And so, I've worked there for like 12 years with the same group of guys.
06:02The guys, you know, the person responsible were teaching me how to practice law.
06:06And so, I started kind of specializing in the area of bail law.
06:11I am Texas counsel for several companies.
06:14And I'm on the board of directors of the Professional Bondsmen of Texas.
06:17I'm on their legislative team.
06:18I testify and help influence bills at the state legislature.
06:24And then, there was this case that was in Houston called O'Donnell v. Harris County.
06:30And someone asked me to go to one of the early hearings in that case.
06:33And let me just say, this was the seminal case.
06:36At one point, it was cited across the country as the case that we're doing bail all wrong.
06:42And we need to reform it.
06:43We need to have criminal justice reform.
06:44And I came out of that hearing scared because I thought the judge was going the wrong way.
06:49I thought she was applying the law incorrectly.
06:52And I was worried.
06:54And because there was no one telling the story from the industry's perspective.
06:59And I thought everything that was being said was, you know, untrue.
07:03Well, you're kind enough starting to get into the why you're here.
07:08So, before we do that, two things popped in my mind while you were talking.
07:13First being, and relax, people.
07:17I'm just having a little fun here, right?
07:19The first thing was the Jim Carrey movie, Liar, Liar, comes to mind.
07:25Right?
07:26We won't hold against you.
07:27You're a lawyer.
07:29Well, you know, I will say this in response.
07:31The best compliment I ever received by my daughter was that, you know, they read To Kill a Mockingbird in school.
07:38And she told me that the whole time they were reading it, that she saw me as the lead character.
07:44And, you know, my wife is an attorney.
07:46So, we have, you know, we have a lot of attorneys.
07:48And my two children are very smart.
07:50But I just, I remember that as one of the best compliments I've ever received.
07:55And it also scared me, because how do you live up to that?
07:58Yeah.
07:59Oh, I hear you.
08:00And now a third pun comes to mind.
08:04Right?
08:04There are, playing off your name, both good and bad attorneys.
08:11Right?
08:11Good and bad cops.
08:13Good and bad in everything.
08:14And the other joke that came to my mind was, while you were saying, as you testified, so you're a snitch, eh?
08:24Well, you know, I used to say, you know, people, or I used to hear, you couldn't afford an excellent attorney.
08:29You got stuck with a good attorney.
08:31And then I had a professor in law school.
08:33Her name was Phelan.
08:35And then I had another attorney that I, that was an associate when I first started practicing law.
08:41And her last name was Dick.
08:42And I kept saying that the three of us should start a law firm together, and we would be feeling good, whatever.
08:48And it was, I thought, for just the name alone, we would make a fortune.
08:53But now the three stooges, do, do we, do, what was that?
08:59The three stooges, pardon, language.
09:02Cheat them, cheat them in hell.
09:03Cheat them in hell.
09:04I'm going to need to cut that.
09:05Do we cheat them in hell?
09:06I'm going to have to cut that little part out, because I want a little too PG-13 that I usually do on this show, G-rated.
09:15So note to self, edit, edit.
09:22People will probably guess what I said.
09:25But at any rate, indeed, the why you are here is the bail reform movement, which perhaps there should have been some, in my opinion also, let me just say it up front, went way too far.
09:43And the murder recently demonstrates that.
09:48Well, and, you know, what I was saying was, you know, I got involved in this area specifically as a result of going to see a case.
09:54And I think I've been proving, you know, my concern about that case has been proven true, because that case is now the judge has been overturned six, seven, eight, or maybe nine times in that case.
10:04And in a subsequent proceeding, the Fifth Circuit ruled that that case should have never been filed in federal court.
10:10And at one point, it was cited across the country as the case for bail reform, and it's now been overturned.
10:17And so that's kind of what got me started in this specialty area of writing articles.
10:22And I've written numerous articles across the country about criminal justice reform and specifically about bail reform.
10:30Yeah, and this being a Christian show, I believe in forgiveness, but like Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica Kirk, I forgive him.
10:41That's what we're supposed to do as Christians.
10:45But, but, but, but, there's a but, there is a however, there is the rest of the Bible in context needed there.
10:53That doesn't mean, oh, skip the trial, let them go free.
10:58No, that's not what that means.
11:01Inherent in the forgiveness is the hope and the prayer that they see the light.
11:08They're willing to admit their faults, their crime.
11:13They're wanting to repent and reform.
11:18Otherwise, indeed, earthly justice does need to still continue and prevail.
11:27And indeed, if no remorse shown, the Old Testament was not completely erased by Jesus.
11:35You need to follow the whole context of the New Testament to understand where parts were indeed removed.
11:44But some stand, like Genesis, Leviticus, and Numbers, the death penalty.
11:51Thou who sheddeth man's blood shall have by man his blood a shed.
11:56The death penalty applies.
11:58But the murder we're talking about is the Irina Zerukas, and I apologize if I get that name wrong,
12:06right on the New York subway, where someone slain her, not with a gun.
12:13It's not the inanimate objects issue here.
12:16It's the evil human who, in that case, used a knife, banning assault trumpets to go back to Jericho, right?
12:25The walls of Jericho came down because of trumpets instructed by God.
12:31Should the Jericho survivors, to, you know, mitigate their feelings, ban assault trumpets, right?
12:42The EDC of the inanimate object blame is ridiculous.
12:46But, yeah, the person who murdered Irina had many offenses where he should have been locked away.
12:58The murder would have never happened.
13:00Same with Kate Steinle, same with Molly, same with—those were illegal aliens in that case, or, yeah, illegal immigrants in those cases.
13:11Well, we're getting more and more examples of these things.
13:13I mean, you know, look at Charlie Kirk.
13:14I mean, my family and I are very strong Christians, and so we have a firm foundation in the Bible,
13:20and we have a good relationship with the Lord.
13:23But, you know, we're supposed to give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.
13:27That doesn't mean we give up public safety because we're Christians.
13:31We can't—we're not supposed to turn the other cheek and say, okay, there's no consequences.
13:36I mean—and, you know, we live in a time where people take advantage of your Christian faith,
13:46and they'll use it against you.
13:48And we see that.
13:49Look at what Charlie Kirk did and how he was just going to college campuses because he cared for youth of America,
13:56and he was just having a civilized conversation.
14:00But that's not the way it was portrayed.
14:02It was portrayed in the news that he was a hate monger, and that as a result of that, you know,
14:07someone decided that they needed to end his life because he was full of so much hate,
14:11which could not have been further from the truth.
14:14Now we have examples of—because of the hateful language, people are—you know,
14:19we have a guy that showed up in Dallas just last week and started shooting at the ICE facility.
14:24And the very first thing on the news you hear is that he's a right-winger, possibly,
14:30because the people that got shot were ICE detainees.
14:34And what they don't report is how many times he was shooting.
14:36It was just scattershot trying to get anybody, and he ended up shooting the very people that he thought he was helping.
14:44That's a good example of criminal justice reform, bail reform across the country.
14:50Even if you want to argue these are well-intended people, I'm not sure that that's true for their whole coalition.
14:55A lot of times, the very people they hurt are the people they claim that they're wanting to help.
15:00So, you know, the 50% of all murder victims in the United States are young black males.
15:06And by and large, the people that kill them are young black males as well.
15:10And so somehow in this whole debate—
15:12Oh, you're not allowed to talk about that.
15:15That's an inconvenient fact.
15:15Yeah, we're favoring the young black male murderers over the young black male victims.
15:21And that's turning everything on its head.
15:23It's just—
15:23Absolutely.
15:24It's crazy.
15:25And, yes, literally, I said we're recording Monday, the 29th of September, just yesterday also.
15:34And, of course, they're trying—oh, it's got to be a right-winger shot up an LDS and set fire to church in Grand Blank, Michigan.
15:42No, these are left-wing radicalized people, and the evidence shows it no matter how much—
15:50And for any and every Timothy McVeigh, which I'll concede as a right-winger example you could legitimately give rather than lie like you are about these cases, I've got 9,999 examples of the other.
16:08But, you know, I mean, the party has moved so far to the left that they have created this rhetoric that causes people who listen to it and have mental issues to think that they need to do something about it.
16:23I saw a good article, I think, yesterday as well, summarizing and even showing a speech from President Clinton, probably an address to a joint session of Congress where he's talking about illegal immigration.
16:35And they were—the comment was made that that speech today would be labeled hate speech and would be labeled maggot.
16:43By the left, yeah.
16:44And so it's—the incredible part of it is if you want to just enforce current law, you are now a radical, and I think there's a reason for that.
16:56The reason for that is the Democrats like to say that everybody's a threat to democracy, but all they're really saying is they're a threat to Democrats because they can't—
17:06Yeah, their power.
17:07They can't win without doing these type things anymore, and that's where we are.
17:12And so we have to reckon—we have to call it.
17:14When something doesn't work, we have to call it and we have to change it because they're never going to admit to it because they need that anger.
17:21They need the illegal aliens in the country so they can get more power for blue states.
17:28You've raised many issues I want to touch on.
17:31Indeed, it's not—it's all about power and control for the left, what is good for their power and control, nothing about what's good for U.S. citizens.
17:42And, like, Matthew 7 is really condemn not lest ye be condemned, final judgment reserved for the Lord, right?
17:53That doesn't then eliminate worldly and earthly justice.
17:57You mentioned turn the other cheek.
17:59I talk all the time.
18:00It doesn't mean read the whole Bible, full cut, always be a sucker.
18:05It's not what Jesus is saying.
18:08And render unto Caesar the other of the several most warped and twisted scriptures from the Bible.
18:18And you kind of raised the question, right?
18:21Yeah, all this rhetoric brings up the hypothetical, if you had a time machine, it could go back and kill baby Hitler.
18:31Well, you can't prove a negative.
18:34What if you did go back and kill baby Hitler?
18:39It could have been worse if Himmler or Goebbels—
18:44How would it have changed?
18:45The German public voted and approved every change that Hitler wanted until he took mass control.
18:55But, I mean, they suspended the Constitution.
18:57So, what makes us believe that someone else would not have just stepped into that movement?
19:04That's exactly my point.
19:05Himmler, Goebbels, somebody else, potentially even worse, who may have not have been as insane, may have been still evil, but more normal thinker, might have prosecuted that war to a point where they won the war and more people could have died.
19:28I mean, do we really want—I mean, are we at the point in this world today where we say that Hitler was crazy and that's how we justify what he did?
19:37Because I could make a bunch of arguments that he was just a very smart politician, that he blamed and pointed the public's anger—
19:46He scapegoated a subculture, yes.
19:48Yeah, he scapegoated the problems that were going on in Germany as he rose to power effectively.
19:54And I would say that, to some extent, we have that going on in the United States right now, where we're scapegoating problems or we're ignoring problems and we're blaming everything on a group.
20:05The victimhood mentality and so many—and there are some on the right that are anti-Semitic.
20:17I'm not claiming there aren't, but the mass anti-Semitism movement on the left.
20:22This is not a situation where it's both equally bad.
20:26It's not.
20:26I mean, we have too many—how many times has—I mean, it's just ridiculous.
20:31I mean, we can count on both hands and go to our toes examples of where people have been—listen to this rhetoric where somebody's Hitler.
20:42Somebody—I mean, every presidential candidate since Eisenhower on the right has been called Hitler.
20:48And now they're saying, oh, it's just worse now.
20:51Well, no, when you call—when everybody's Hitler, then nobody's Hitler.
20:54And, you know, they keep making these analogies that why the right is Hitler.
21:00The next person who runs for president on the right is going to be worse than Trump is going to be Hitler because that's what you do when you can't make an argument.
21:09When you cannot respond on the merits, you go to name-calling.
21:12You go to toxic language.
21:15You go back to identity politics that says, don't listen to you because you're a racist, so I don't have to respond to the merits of your argument.
21:23That's identity politics, and we're getting away from that, and we need to do it more.
21:27Yeah, and I, like Greg Gutfeld the other day, said—I've always had the philosophy, yes, call people fat.
21:36Call them short.
21:37You know, I've called people names, absolutely, but it pales in comparison to you constantly trying to call us racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, this, that, and the other, worse than Hitler, all that stuff because you cannot have a policy discussion.
22:00You will lose that every time.
22:03Well, part of the problem is with the policy discussion is I think that the left has outsourced their policies on criminal justice reform, bail reform.
22:12They've outsourced it to the Soros groups, so they can't get involved in discussion because they'll lose their support.
22:19So they—and the advocates on their side will never admit it's not working.
22:24They'll always say, we need more time.
22:26They'll point to these pseudo-studies that they even had their own groups right.
22:30I mean, it's ridiculous.
22:32I mean, if every time you hear something from the Brennan Institute talking about how crime is going down or it's not being increased because of bail reform or criminal justice reform, that's just Soros' groups trying to support what they're doing.
22:47Bludging the numbers, I have a piece on before it's news about that.
22:51Absolutely.
22:52They used to write, oh, you don't have to leave just us.
22:55Changing classifications that you Soros DAs pleading away the gun—you claim to care so much about gun violence, but then you plea away the gun charges so you can let the criminal back out on the street with a lesser plea to a lesser charge.
23:13I mean, we just had an example of the New York DA where he dropped charges on a left activist for attacking a right activist.
23:24And so, I mean, that would never happen if the roles were reversed.
23:29And when that's the standard, if you apply that as the standard, they're doing something because of the left versus right.
23:34If they wouldn't do it because it was right versus left, then you know it's politics.
23:38Yeah.
23:38Politics have gotten too far.
23:39We always have politics in these discussions, but it's gotten too far.
23:43When you can't even admit that you've got criminal, illegal aliens in the country, then we can't have a discussion.
23:50We can't have a compromise with you.
23:52It's gone from reasonable, somewhat honest political discussion to the left being completely delusional, ideological.
24:03They refuse to recognize and admit to reality.
24:06You can't have a discussion with someone who doesn't have an equal basis in any form of reality.
24:15Now, back to, but back before the bail reform and the need to undo that, because this relates, Rudy Giuliani broken windows policy.
24:27It relates it directly to the bail situation.
24:30If you arrest, prosecute, and put away people for the smaller crimes, people don't usually go from zero to murder.
24:41Some do, but most, right?
24:43If you show criminals you're soft on criminals, they've got no reason to stop committing crimes, and majority of the crimes are committed by a small number.
24:58If you lock up that small number, indeed, most crime would evaporate overnight.
25:04Yes, we have probably the same small group of people committing probably 60 or 70 percent of a crime in an area, and I agree with that.
25:14The broken windows theory is a proven theory for fighting crime.
25:18I mean, it's not something that was created by Rudy Giuliani.
25:21It's something we teach in our colleges in our criminology classes about how to fight crime.
25:26The reason why it was attacked in New York was because it was so effective.
25:31And he had an hour by his name.
25:33Yes, and he had an hour by his name, but because it was so effective, they filed suits.
25:37And, you know, what people forget or don't know is ultimately the use of the broken windows theory was upheld in court, but that was many years after it had stopped being used.
25:48And, you know, we've got a push now to try to bring it back in certain areas because look at Portland, look in Seattle where, you know, the president just called out the National Guard or I guess the Secretary of the Department of War just called him out.
26:04But Trump is sending troops into that area because Antifa has taken over that area.
26:14They were like, oh, we don't have a crime problem.
26:15No, you have, you've turned over, you are allowing Antifa to decide what, what takes place in your city and you're bowing down to them every day.
26:25I mean, we have, we had that happen in Seattle in 2020 because of George Floyd.
26:32They had the chop zone where they, where they just blocked off this area and they wouldn't allow the police to come in.
26:37And so, I mean, there's been studies of that and for that 20 something days, crime increased 178% compared to other areas.
26:47And even in the two block area around it, crime was up like 70 something percent.
26:53And then the whole area, precinct area, crime increased, increased 25% over those 20 something days.
26:59So, I mean, we have laid bare this argument from the activists, we need to, you know, get rid of the police, we'll be safer without police.
27:08That's a lie.
27:09And it, and there's no science to support it.
27:12And which is true for a lot of their criminal justice reform, bail reform movement.
27:16And it's finding the truth is very difficult.
27:19Yeah.
27:19And other points, New York City and San Francisco Chinatown, there are literally areas Democrats have given over areas to the Chinese government to have their own CCP stations, which aren't upholding American laws.
27:43They're holding up the Chinese, you must infiltrate, spy, and report back to China laws.
27:52Isn't that strange how when that story first came out, you were a conspiracy theorist, you were a nut job for even suggesting it.
28:00And it took Trump being elected president to come out and admit that was taking place and he was ending it.
28:06I mean, isn't that crazy that, I mean, we've gone from, oh, you're a nut job conspiracy theorist for recommending that or suggesting that that's happening to, yeah, it was happening.
28:19Yeah.
28:20Well, time has flown.
28:22I'm going to start.
28:23So, back to the bottom line, we both agree, and I think a lot of people agree, it's for power and control purposes, those on the left refuse to deal in the effectiveness of broken windows, as you said, and that no cash bail is a major fail.
28:43You keep letting criminals out, they keep committing more crimes.
28:50It's that simple.
28:52Well, it is that simple.
28:54There's no other release mechanism that performs as successfully as the private industry.
29:00So, when you try all these other experiments, they fail so drastically because they have such high failure to peer rates.
29:07And as the high failure to peer rates increase, you have backlogs in cases, backlogs in cases, put pressure on judges to dismiss cases.
29:15When you dismiss a case so there's no consequences on the defendant, they see that as a green light to commit more crime.
29:21It's that simple.
29:22Amen.
29:25You all now see why we preempted Johnny B. Goode to have Ken W. Goode on.
29:34My uncle.
29:35My uncle would be so proud.
29:36Thank you all for tuning in.
29:40Thank you for appearing, Ken W. Goode.
29:43Do you have a website for people to find and reach out and all that good stuff?
29:49Sure.
29:49For more information, they can go to our website, pbtx.com, which is the professional bondsman of Texas.
29:56So, pbtx.com.
29:57We have a blog where we highlight important criminal justice stories.
30:01And we also have a podcast.
30:02There's a link on our menu.
30:04But it's called The Bell Post.
30:05So, you can also just go to thebellpost.com.
30:09And we talk everything criminal justice.
30:12I mean, I think we're ranked in the top of the criminal justice podcast.
30:16And also, I see on an email exchange, oh, this is Elliot saying, he is mediavisterpr.com.
30:25We don't want people going there.
30:27Yeah.
30:27So, pbtx.com.
30:31And what was the other one again?
30:33I didn't get to write it down.
30:35Thebellpost.com.
30:37Bell or bail?
30:39Bail.
30:39B-A-I-L.
30:40Okay.
30:41There's that.
30:42See that accent problem again, right?
30:45The bail.
30:46I'm sorry.
30:47I didn't write it.
30:47Post.
30:49Thebellpost.com.
30:50Post.com.
30:51Okay.
30:51That, to me, I think, is the important one.
30:55Thank you, Ken W. Goode, for your time.
31:00I greatly appreciate it.
31:02Normally, I would say, I don't know when this will air.
31:06I got a whole lot of interviews over there piled up.
31:09It will be a while.
31:10But sorry, others.
31:13I'm bumping up, Ken.
31:15This will probably air early October because this is so timely.
31:21It has to get out.
31:23I will let you know, of course, when it drops.
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