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00:00One, two, three, four, shoot!
00:11This is Wendy O. Williams and her band of the plasmatics,
00:16the disrupting kingpins of rock and roll.
00:20the plasmatics have incorporated staged violence and overt sexuality for a two-fisted impact that
00:32has very little to do with music
00:34wendy got pushed back from the time that she stepped out on stage she was a provocateur
00:45she is called the high priest of the metal the roughest toughest woman in rock and roll the queen
00:50of shock rock wendy o williams there weren't too many women fronting metal bands at the time are
00:56you angry what are you angry about why heavy metal it was the ultimate fuck you to society it's a way
01:02to kick sand in the face of the status quo you know anything that was status quo was like anti-wendy
01:08she hated the commercialism and the conformity of everything the whole message was the right of
01:17self-expression and to fight authority she was an activist you know what i mean but she took her
01:24thing to the stage you know wendy had a bullseye on her i can imagine if you're uptight and you don't
01:30think women should have agency at all i can see how that would be a threat prepare to be outraged
01:35police said here wendy you simulated a sex act and made up scene motions during your performance
01:39wendy o williams has been arrested again police grabbed her right after a concert with the
01:44plasmatics what right do police have to try and censor rock and roll milwaukee police arrested
01:51lead singer wendy o williams that triggered a fight amongst wendy and a number of milwaukee
01:55police officers she was put up as an example of what they were against they thought i was an
02:00incarnate of the devil and they attacked me and beat me unconscious it's a control
02:05thing it challenged their whole ethic here is a woman that threatens them i'm gonna lash out
02:12against her in the only way that i have power over her and that's with violence and strength
02:16this issue here in milwaukee is a very serious issue of civil rights and first amendment rights
02:23she was not afraid she was just pissed she always used to say what we do is we draw a line
02:30in the sand and then we step over that line there's a war here wendy was motivated to fight back
02:37that's how she was there's so many guises of fascism that needs to be undermined and exposed
02:44exposed
02:51ever since i was little i've always liked to smash things
03:04ever since i was little i've always liked to smash things
03:16i don't like conformity i hate people telling me what to do
03:25so-called normal behavior patterns make me so bored i could throw up
03:32the plasmatists gave me a chance to get this violence out of me and express it to other people
03:44my name is rod swenson or nearly a half century since wendy o williams and i met became lovers and then
04:08significant others i've chosen to remain off camera for this interview for the same reason i tried to
04:15remain off camera and behind the scenes during the 10 years run of the plasmatics
04:23this is wendy's story she was the plasmatics and she is the star
04:38the plasmatics was just a wild shock rock group some people might look at it as a
04:45a freak show or something i love that kind of stuff
04:51you'd heard rumors about the plasmatics it was holy it was it was a tornado in a bottle
05:00there was nothing at all like a plasmatic show they were really doing
05:04things nobody ever saw before if you can imagine the sound coming from a chainsaw cutting into a
05:11guitar with the strings live that's what it was about a lot of you energy
05:19it's easy to go with the flow it's easy to go with the formula it's difficult to do what you feel but
05:26it's necessary if you want to achieve satisfaction on any level what she was about from day one it was to
05:35go out on stage and to provoke the establishment
05:41wendy used to say we're gagging on apple pie and that was pretty much at the center of who wendy was
05:49when i met her
05:54it was 1976 when wendy arrived into new york times square was the place you could go to to see things
06:02that were beyond the edge kind of like the center for the taboo so it was a good place for me to set
06:09up a theater under the name of captain kink and i am producing radical experimental theater and it had
06:16a strong sexual content i was doing a casting call for performers wendy came through the door she was
06:26carrying a four foot high plastic buddha and a suitcase which she dumped onto the floor among the
06:33things that fell out were timothy leary's book on psychedelics the tantric way to yoga and we looked at
06:41each other and it was just clear that there was this explosive chemistry wendy came on as a performer
06:50reducing of sexual taboos that's the part of the boundaries we were pushing at that time and she was
06:55astounding we were both inherently rebellious our main connection was being in a world that made no sense
07:03a world of mass-produced things sexism when there's no man around
07:11good years should be racism we felt as though things were out of control and people were not aware of
07:19it wendy's home life was very repressive she describes the situation where she was up in her
07:28room lip syncing with a hairbrush to mitch ryder's devil with the blue dress on dancing wildly
07:42her father pushes open the door and broke the record in half
07:47they didn't want noise they didn't want her excitement they didn't want her exuberance around
07:52they tried to medicate her they were continually trying to put her back in a box if you won't do
08:00what we tell you you're out
08:07what she said at that point is telling and it is something that is worth remembering about her
08:13she yells back i'd rather be dead than be zombified in the world that you are living in
08:19so she left home with nothing you know looking for something that was different than that
08:29if you wanted to do something relevant rock and roll was the art of the time back in the late 70s
08:36there was an energy in new york unlike anywhere else and i always kind of compare it to paris in the 20s
08:42it was such an exciting time to be alive the music was so vibrant it was so different the new york
08:48punk scene was really cool cbgb's max's kansas city and a few other clubs around manhattan you see bands
08:55like the ramones
09:03the dead boys i mean these guys just exuded energy
09:07i saw cbgb's as another potential laboratory the next place to fight back in some way
09:23i put the plasmatics together for and around wendy o williams as a vehicle and she came alive in it
09:30the band had a buzz on him and it there was a lot more women in the audience than you might expect
09:49they saw the strength in wendy and what she was putting out there as a woman which they hadn't seen
09:54before they heard about it they went and saw it they had to see it again they had to tell their
09:59friends about it they just blew people away all the way to the entryway of cbgb's was just packed
10:06with people i had to push my way into the dressing room i'm pushing people aside going hey i'm in the
10:11band i'm in the band you know by 1979 we were playing four nights in a row two shows a night and
10:20selling it out there were lines around the block to get in and so that's when i started looking for
10:25other venues if you could draw a crowd you could command the stage rod was the man behind the curtain
10:34you know in the old wizard of oz pay no attention to the man behind the curtain that that was rod rod
10:41worked in the shadows sure of everything you wanted he was an absolute total control freak not just of
10:47the shows but some of the effects were very very important to him none of the pyro was pyro for the
10:56sake of pyro it was tearing down everything and showing art could be dangerous art could be loud
11:03that there's beauty in destruction that actually a lot deeper than i thought
11:08part of our idea here was to have the audience feel that things were way out of control because
11:19that's the way we felt out in the world so we created this environment to bring the audience into
11:26the performance they were like a single unit rod and wendy they were totally a team they had their vision
11:33just destroying the materialistic that people felt was so important back then
11:55in those days people worshipped the television in the same way now that they worship the iphone so the
12:02only way you could get people concerned the only way you could start a revolution is to take away
12:07their tvs you work all of your life to buy a car to buy a color tv to buy a stereo to buy a radio
12:17and you love these things once you get them but you hate them because you had to work so hard to get
12:23them wendy was right in your face you want a nice sweet little girl to know her place and do what she's
12:30supposed to do and look sexy and then you have someone like wendy who stands up and says i'm a
12:35little bit more than that
12:47there were two wendy o's she was just the nicest person and vegan she didn't drink liquor she didn't do
12:56drugs she was straight edge before straight edge was a thing and then there was the i've got a
13:03message to get out to the world wendy we were a people's band we could tour across the country
13:12with these huge production bills with what we were getting in ticket sales but we weren't making money
13:17either you're giving us this money but here's what we're doing with it we're not buying ourselves a
13:23cadillac we took all the money and put it back into the band we put it into the show we did this all
13:29for the fans
13:36all independent all doing it themselves no record label labels were scared shitless of them
13:42the audiences were into fighting the establishment the record labels were the established
13:48but stiff record since they were such a over-the-top innovative label they signed us to a record deal
13:57you know it's just what they needed right when they needed it
14:01stiff record uh set up a show for us a prestigious hammersmith odeon in england
14:07it was a heavily hyped show we were heavily hyped act and this is already news to the british press
14:13we were arriving at heathrow and there was already a throng of reporters there with lots of cameras
14:21flashing wendy exited the plane dressed as a nurse and she said i've come to give the british culture an
14:29enema which was fairly wild you know it was a sold out show we were going to blow up a car on stage like
14:37we had done at numerous shows in america with without incident the greater london council sent
14:44around some octogenarians who kind of walked around the car taking notes they were having reservations
14:51about this and they went and huddled and then came back with the decision under the pretense that
14:58they couldn't have the car explosion they were going to ban the show
15:01we learned later that they believed wendy would whip the audience into an anarchist frenzy
15:10the greater london council was trying to suppress the punk rock ethic that was so prevalent early on
15:16in the 70s they didn't want to rear its ugly head that was our underestimation of how strong the pushback
15:24was you know when you challenge certain types of things they find wendy threatening she had to be bold
15:31and she had to be out there and she had to push it that's who she was where are the priorities in
15:37this country right now um cleaning up the inner cities certainly isn't one of them um more nuclear
15:45arms seems to be a priority i mean this is what the government wants yet the people don't want it in
15:50the national elections it did shake up a lot of people once we started playing in the heartlands of
15:57america we found out how threatened people were we brought up feeling that we live in the freest
16:02country in the world but the more you step over the line the more you go to seek out the truth
16:09the harder it is
16:10i was interested in art not with a capital a but in reaching people with ideas so for me mass media
16:24real people media that is our culture that is our art rod and wendy were extremely media savvy
16:31they would absolutely manipulate it as best they could to push the vision forward
16:44the first time uh we were on tv it was on the show fridays that put them in everybody's living
16:51room across america you know nobody expected that but it happened
16:55we were now across the country we were not just in urban hip areas like new york or la so that was
17:05kind of startling to people and following that the notoriety of what they did began to strike fear into
17:13these repressive people in the hinterlands we had been touring through the midwest you could see
17:20the discomfort with the locals we'd be walking down the street they would yell and cat call at us
17:26would walk into a fast food place and it would just be silent you'd see people come peeking out
17:32from the behind the kitchen we just figured that's just part of the game if we're gonna do shows like
17:37this that's gonna happen when they were coming to milwaukee i wrote for the paper and i wrote music
17:44stories i hate fleetwood mac and i hate america i mean not just the country but the band so i became
17:52a punk rocker i thought this is great the plasma is coming to this little shithole so naturally i had
17:58to be there the conservative people of which there are many in milwaukee you know to them it was like
18:04this stripper was coming to town to sing punk rock so it combined their two biggest fears which is
18:09basically challenging music and you know this woman that was okay with her sexuality everybody in town
18:17was like bracing for it in a sense of like oh what horrible thing is this evil band gonna do we gotta
18:23defend our children you know there was this whole pearl clutching going on and you could feel it i mean
18:27you could totally feel it there was many versions of the show depending on what we could get away with
18:34to me milwaukee was another show with rules like some municipalities were like yeah look you can get
18:41away with all your other crap but you can't use the shotgun rod and wendy they would acquiesce they would
18:46say okay what can we do let's agree on how far we can push it milwaukee we're being super scrutinized they
18:54wouldn't just buy the the tape on the nipples they said no you have to cover up more than that
19:00soaked shaving cream we got to be on our a game and you know make sure everything's as legit as we can
19:06make it walking into the club it was like any other show but then there'd be a guy over here with a pot
19:17belly and a plastic cup of water and then there's another one over there when you saw all these people
19:24out there that looked like they were your dad's friends that played golf you're like what the
19:29are all these cops doing here you know they actually thought they were undercover that was what was the
19:37cutest part about it i wasn't aware of any police presence in the club the crowd looked like every
19:42other crowd that we played in front of we were just doing our thing wendy was performing it was not
19:49anything different than we had done anywhere else across the country i'm from new york you know when
19:54you get that something something's not right here you know there were already police in the back and
20:00things are getting tense right after the show ended they said they were arresting wendy on an obscenity
20:06charge we're just going to take her downtown you can follow us and we'll book her and that'll be it
20:12and i actually couldn't believe it it was our first arrest because i was covering the show as a writer
20:19as well as just going as a fan i grabbed my friend and we ran out the front and around the back and we
20:25passed a big cop wagon there and then they start bringing out the band members
20:36so the first one to come out is the bass player escorted down the stairs by a cop or two
20:41he wasn't resisting but you know being a black guy in milwaukee is a really bad idea probably to this day
20:49they actually dragged him they didn't like bring up to the van they dragged him out behind the van to
20:54our right and now he's down in the snow you could hear the billy clubs hitting his head
21:02which is a disgusting sound when you realize it's an actual person getting hit like that
21:06and then that's when wendy came up by her account there was a gauntlet really of police lined up at
21:17the very end of which was a paddy wagon and they kind of walked her down this gauntlet while she was
21:23being taunted by police she stepped up into the paddy wagon her account is that hands were all over
21:31her and she turned around to essentially defend herself and she goes to slap him then that's when the
21:37barracuda went crazy one of our roadies comes racing now into this office and says they're beating
21:47wendy up my kind of heart jumped in my mouth as i raced down the hall there was a policeman guarding
21:55the exit and said sorry you can't go out here i didn't stop but kicked the door open
22:04what i saw on the ground was you know completely sickening
22:09her face is down on the ground she's being kicked in the face she's being beaten
22:15manager came out like a like a linebacker what the are you doing like that and then of course three
22:21cops grab him and he's in the snow and they're whacking him you know with the night sticks on his
22:26head i ran out the back door and i see they took wendy to the ground it's like what the
22:33fuck boom guy grabs me puts me in a headlock i'm on the ground i'm trying to see what's going on and
22:40she's kicking and screaming they dragged me off behind a car and i was uh beaten into unconsciousness
22:48i had no idea when they would stop i did not know how or what or when or if i was going to wake up
22:55honestly you're both taken to the local jail at the end of the day she had her nose broken
23:03multiple black eyes a concussion among other things the next time we saw each other was in
23:08the morning when they came to get us for an arraignment simulated masturbation was the sin of the day
23:16sometimes she would stroke the sledgehammer that's what got her in trouble in milwaukee
23:24meanwhile right across the street from the show was a famous strip club and the cops hung out in
23:30there all the time so like we're gonna close the strip club now you know if wendy goes down
23:35this hypocrisy of basically thugs was in a way what we've been talking about all along
23:42the lawyer told us you need to get out of town now they are after you i got you out on bail you don't
23:49come back until the trial wendy and i were both charged with felonies striking a police officer
23:56so at that point things got existentially serious that's the scary thing is that this was against her
24:03like she had gotten beat up and now the city was going to prosecute her for doing something wrong
24:12when the paper came out it listed who her lawyer was going to be
24:16and i called that office like that morning and i said anything you want i was there i saw the whole
24:21thing here's my name here's my number you know i'll do anything you want to help defend them
24:26we were national news there's now the response from the media where she's given a voice here to
24:34sing a pig is a pig are the plasmatics and the song pig is a pig was a very hard tough response to
24:43that arrest dedicated to the special kind of person who's hiding under us and in closets wherever you
24:50go hiding behind the guys of respectability some people might say getting arrested and all this
24:58stuff is is not good for the band we didn't want it to happen but we knew how to take advantage of it
25:04the sicky sadist who hides behind his police badge to commit crimes of violence against other people
25:13i've heard of the plasmatics and i knew it was a wild group you know what i mean
25:24it was the music that got me you know it was just so powerful and strong and fast
25:28but it was it was serious you know i mean it was for real it wasn't no joke
25:38people didn't know how to perceive wendy they just looked at her like some kind of wild freak but she
25:43had a message there are many people who are really scared by what you do why shouldn't they be scared
25:48by this people are scared i mean like the people in milwaukee they were scared i mean the spy squad was
25:55very scared of what we were doing and that i was stepping over the line of what it was expected
26:00for how a woman to act you know other than being barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen women in culture
26:05were generally expected to be smiling some type of eye candy one of the things that the milwaukee police
26:12found so threatening is that she was angry unlike what the public thought it wasn't a sexual drive
26:20the reason she's up there is not to titillate she's saying about social injustice and violence
26:27at the same time not covering up her femininity she was very very comfortable with her sexuality
26:34that scares a lot of men they don't know how to handle it five of them held me down well six other
26:40of them beat me repeatedly till i thought i would never stand up again till i thought i was dead in
26:44milwaukee this is a brutality issue this is a first amendment issue this is a civil rights issue and this
26:50is very definitely women's rights after the whole milwaukee incident she was still wanting to perform
26:56that was her focus you know like i said you got to get back on the horse the show was a bulldozer
27:02it was moving it was going it was not going to stop but she was under the microscope wendy had a bullseye
27:09on her the milwaukee police department called the head to cleveland to warn them of this woman you have
27:16to arrest her how can this be going on the vice squad out in cleveland say she gave a concert wearing
27:23a lot of shaving cream and not much else the police in cleveland decided they were going to arrest her
27:29for pandering or some stupid charge i don't know you figure it out you know it doesn't make any sense to
27:37me it was just the whole trumped up uh nonsense charges were thrown out after her acquittal as william
27:44said this was never an obscenity trial but rather a trial of the first amendment we were wondering
27:49well is this going to be the norm now it changed things are you scared at all about um what's
27:55happening to you with with the courts and the legal hassles i mean does it ever get you oh it's terrifying
28:01it's terrifying but it's high time people realize that women do have minds of their own and that a
28:07female body is not dirty she was charged with the obscenity charge but it was the felonies that they
28:13wanted to get us on it could lead to serious jail time the media attention put a light on milwaukee
28:21and the milwaukee fairly corrupt police department they thought if they put me on trial that the media
28:26would lose interest the da said that if he couldn't convict rod he was going to drop the charges against
28:34wendy but we were all worried that the da was going to pull out the stops and do god knows what legal or
28:40illegal to help convict them i'd never had to be a witness before you know i remember the lawyer
28:47telling me it has to be the truth don't embellish it you realize that's right because there's going
28:53to be 10 cops telling their version of the story yeah so it was scary as fuck prosecution asked me if
29:01i felt that the performance was sexual in any way and i said no not really and that's when i talked about
29:06how i watched the cops beat up the band it was a number of eyewitnesses people who were courageous
29:11enough to come forward this went on for nine days the milwaukee police department's point of view is
29:18that rod and wendy assaulted an officer that was the bottom line thank god there was a photographer there
29:25because the cops were lying out their ass once they showed the pictures everyone went it was like
29:39whoa a group of burly police on 110 pound woman how do you say oh well we were worried for our health and
29:50safety our lawyer would ask questions like did you see miss williams getting hit in the head or kicked
29:57in the face and the police officer would reply i don't recall and they say but police officer so-and-so
30:05you were just two feet from this were you not yes and you don't recall no i don't recall
30:11wendy with her testimony helped to turn the tide as well as wendy said it what's happening in here is
30:20what's obscene they got acquitted there's a big big celebration they got slam dunked they had no case
30:29whatsoever not guilty i i was through the roof i i couldn't believe it it just it was so screwed up
30:37but at this point there was heat on wendy local promoters were told do not book this act in this
30:47town she felt obviously extremely disappointed the authorities were always looking for an excuse to
30:54kind of suppress wendy and the message we were always looking over our shoulders wondering if wendy would
31:00be arrested she was mentally just i i don't want to say broken but mad
31:17after milwaukee we had difficulty as far as being able to book a tour that could pay for itself across
31:24the country so it got tougher for wendy she was only comfortable when she was out there and with a
31:30platform warning you about things that are dangerous she thought to human health and happiness but
31:37there's all kinds of major breakthroughs that happened that's when the music turned
31:48we went from punk into heavy metal to do an expression that is bigger than before
31:54i saw an ad that says we're looking for a hard-hitting double bass drummer with that title it had my name
32:03on it i had no idea it was a plasmatics and that's when wendy was you know changing the course actually
32:11turned out to be heavy metal
32:12we like that sound that's where the kind of epic feeling was in music but we kept our toughness
32:23our hardness continuing our warning about what's coming wake up
32:43now women are beginning to make it into that last bastion of male music heavy metal there were no real
32:50women in heavy metal at that time she was metal she was you know hardcore
32:57when this is tough any other male singer out here nobody can touch her
33:02people of certain types of heavy metal hated a woman being there
33:05excuse me but as you we are breaking territory
33:09it was quite distinct heavy metal at that time was not political punks and so-called heavy metal they
33:20hated each other so there was always this kind of conflict when it got to kiss there was considerably more
33:27of the conflict
33:34kiss had lost their edge to the heavy metal people they have always been kind of brilliant strategists
33:42so they thought having wendy and the plasmatics on the bill as a special guest would bring back that edge
33:47that is one great memory you're playing on the biggest stage in the world you're playing with the biggest band in the world
33:58kiss was giving us access to their audience
34:02they played all these big halls in certain parts of the country where we could probably never have gone on our own
34:08but our fans hated kiss too bad we were people if we're given an opportunity to reach more people
34:17with her message her power then we're going to do it
34:21gene simmons came to us and said he wanted to produce the next album musically it's not exactly us
34:29so it was kind of the kiss sound the intent of that album was really to you know really feature her vocals
34:38she got a grammy nomination for that album i saw somebody write it it was the best kiss album of 1982
34:51kerrang magazine which at the time was kind of like the uh heavy metal bible touted his album of the year
35:05she did her own stunts the video for it's my life the most spectacular stunt is the car to airplane
35:17transition done without a safety harness very very dangerous thing she is called the high priestess
35:25of metal the evil knievel of rock joan crawford and torpedo bra will you please help me welcome
35:31miss wendy o williams she was kind of catapulted into legendary status because she drew ratings you
35:41went skydiving naked i did something i always wanted to do what if you didn't land in the field when i was
35:47waiting with a blanket for you what if you landed you know like in chicago she was an extreme person in a
35:55very authentic way and it's that way that allows her to be all the way in and all the way out all i
36:02know is is how to do everything that i've got into everything that i do and aggression goes with it
36:09that's what heavy metal is all about she was activist you know what i mean but she took her thing to the
36:15stage you know wendy was way ahead of her time 20 years ahead of her time if you ask me i've got a brand
36:22new album right now it's called maggots the record it's the ninth anniversary plasmatic album this
36:28is an after dinner music
36:40maggots that was kind of a conceptual album and about how you know what they're doing with the climate she
36:45was talking about climate change way back in the day man you know how people are raping the earth and
36:51burning down the amazon and doing this and doing that we are um cutting down the forest um for
36:58more mcdonald's hamburgers we are um burning fossil fuels and this is rising the temperature of the
37:06whole planet this is the 80s and people talking about this stuff now people just couldn't grab on
37:11to what was going on at the time yeah well because of this they predict in um 30 years the flooding
37:17involved in major cities how does that all tie into your diet people don't listen they just want
37:21to put you into the hole you're this or you're that you know and you're just a product you know
37:26what i mean next do you think that ever got to her or sort of wore her down in a way well she didn't
37:33show anything like that around us she was very positive you know what i mean she stood up for
37:38uh what her ideas were it was almost like being a true soldier man you always hope that you can be
37:45a tipping point it's not just that you'll warn people but you'll show enough people that you might
37:50turn it around but things are slow to change basically we were in a situation where with each tour
37:58there was shows being banned other places where there was lawsuits that were filed and i'd like to show
38:05the sampling senate hearings held to keep teenage people from getting records porn rock and so this
38:13continual marginalization was closing in on us because you couldn't carry the overhead to do the
38:19show the way that we felt we wanted to be done and we had made an agreement a long time earlier
38:25we said if we get to that point then we will stop
38:28after the plasmatic century had ended feeling so disempowered as she did without a platform and the
38:38way she saw the world was going to participate in it being complacent it made her feel almost sick
38:46she was not interested in going halfway it just wasn't in her to do it to know that she had been in
38:54that kind of pain that was the hard part 20 years ago wendy o williams and the plasmatics were a hot
39:03punk rock band that toured the world times were great then but on monday williams took her life
39:09our manager found her in the woods near his home in stores plasmatic singer wendy o williams is dead
39:16she died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at her connecticut home it was completely shocking to me
39:22obviously it was impossibly upsetting i can see how somebody at some stage of their life
39:29clearly might want to say i've had enough but when somebody does it at the age of 48 when they've
39:36accomplished so much it's harder to get closure on it when i got that devastating news man it just blew
39:44my mind even if i think about it now you know it kind of give me chills a little bit i didn't see that
39:50coming that's what shocked me that's what surprised me like what you know why would you do that but
39:55people have their reasons for doing what they do and i'm not going to sit and question you things that
40:00you do the plasmatics became a sensation in the early 80s williams was nominated for a grammy in 1985
40:08wendy o williams dead at 48. and to this day it's really an upsetting thing for me
40:15i knew there was a void there in her life she wasn't performing any longer wasn't on stage wasn't
40:22singing that may have been one of the things that made her not have an attachment to the rest of the
40:29world i tell you in this world there's um so much that just doesn't make any sense to me at all
40:36i mean you know like my music and being able to just um let myself go is um one of the few breaths
40:43of sanity to me in an insane world i don't want to remember a sad wendy i want to remember i want to
40:51remember wendy just the monster that she was she was really the forerunner of like women just just
40:58getting out there and just mixing it up with the men like toe to toe with them like for her to be able
41:03to do a song with lemmy and just toe to toe with lemmy she's an enigma man she should be remembered
41:16as somebody who stood up for what she believed pushed back on what she hated and did it with
41:23pleasure and relish you know talking to women after shows they would always say wow you know
41:28i'm doing this because of wendy wendy really pushed me to do this whether it was anti-nuclear marchers in
41:35manhattan campaigning tirelessly for jesse jackson on his presidential campaign fighting for freedom
41:42of expression wendy was a strong role model i tried to surround my daughters with women with strong voices
41:50you know and wendy she was a voice of empowerment you know a very cool voice by the way
42:08wendy's performance her career in the message is still extremely powerful today
42:20right now i think she's turning her grave man can't believe what i can't even believe what's
42:30happening i think about that a lot too sometimes i say damn i wonder if wendy was here what would you
42:34think about this i can't imagine what the songs would come up with i miss her every day
42:39wendy ella if she was around today she'd probably be going to work taking care of business on a cyber truck
42:53right now
43:01to me milwaukee was vindication she did what she thought was right and she just kept that up
43:08right until the end you know the world these days could really use wendy o williams
43:15is what you're doing in your mind really for the music or do you really believe in everything that
43:19you do back there i am an anarchist you know like where i believe in total freedom for the individual
43:24but i don't mean that liberty is something that gives somebody the right to hurt other people
43:31and i think she found that place where she could feel authentic
43:37and that's a place a rare place that i don't think many people actually never get to
43:43for wendy that place was in the plasmatics so in that case she lived a remarkably full life
43:59so
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