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60 Minutes - Season 58 Episode 1 -
A Lonely Voice; The Mystery of the Eagle S; Dana White
A Lonely Voice; The Mystery of the Eagle S; Dana White
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00:00I'm trying to get people to stop shooting each other. That's it.
00:10Not many knew Utah's governor before the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
00:16Our nation is broken.
00:18But Spencer Cox has been on a years-long crusade to heal American politics.
00:26I don't think it's hyperbole to say that the future of our country is at stake.
00:34We cut across the Baltic in this small Navy dinghy, looking for clues to a nautical whodunit.
00:42Undersea cables that carry electricity, gas, digital communications have been severed in the waters off the coast of Finland.
00:50So I have to ask what seems to be the obvious question. Is this Russia?
01:02The most prominent fighter in the UFC?
01:06Hint, he doesn't wear gloves.
01:10It's the all-powerful boss, Dana White.
01:14We're definitely unapologetically masculine.
01:18Can this bubble over to too much? When you hear toxic masculinity, what do you...
01:23What's that mean?
01:24You tell me.
01:24No, you have just said it.
01:26Can you be too masculine?
01:27You tell me.
01:28The answer is hell no.
01:31I'm Scott Pelley.
01:32I'm Bill Whitaker.
01:34I'm Anderson Cooper.
01:35I'm Sharon Alfonsi.
01:36I'm John Wertheim.
01:38I'm Cecilia Vega.
01:39I'm Leslie Stahl.
01:40Those stories, and in our last minute, we tap into director Rob Reiner's latest film tonight on the 58th season premiere of 60 Minutes.
01:51A lonely voice rose above the rancor after the murder of Charlie Kirk.
02:06Spencer Cox, the Republican governor of Utah, may not have been familiar to many,
02:11but after the assassination in his state, he asked whether we could all stop hating our fellow Americans.
02:19We wanted to hear more, and we were surprised to learn the 50-year-old Republican has spent years campaigning for reconciliation.
02:29Cox is asking Americans to respect our differences, which, in this moment, is not universally admired in his own party.
02:38I get accused on the right all the time of, I just want people to have a kumbaya moment.
02:44I want people to hold hands and just hug it out, and we're done with that.
02:48We're done holding hands and hugging it out.
02:50I'm not asking anybody to hold hands and hug it out.
02:53I'm not asking for that.
02:54I'm trying to get people to stop shooting each other.
02:57That's it.
02:59And I think what I'm doing and what I'm saying is the best way to do that.
03:05Some people will disagree with that, and that's okay.
03:09We should have these debates as a society.
03:12I'm not always right.
03:13I've made mistakes.
03:14Other politicians, I think, are making mistakes right now in trying to elevate the temperature.
03:20But I'm going to just keep having these conversations.
03:24In this moment, what's at stake?
03:26Scott, I don't think it's hyperbole to say that the future of our country is at stake.
03:33This grand experiment that we embarked on 250 years ago, can we hold together?
03:40And what if our politics cannot find the path to the brighter light?
03:44That's the question I always ask.
03:45When I hear people say that we're at war, I say, okay, and what?
03:50What does that mean?
03:51What is next?
03:52Who am I supposed to shoot now?
03:59The shot, September 10th, was the kind of attack now happening every couple of months or so.
04:09In April, the Democratic governor of Pennsylvania and his family escaped after their home was firebombed.
04:16In June, in their homes, two Minnesota Democratic lawmakers and their spouses were gunned down.
04:24A year earlier on the campaign, it was Donald Trump himself.
04:29When told this time it was Utah, Cox didn't believe it.
04:34But there it was, on his phone.
04:37The video was already out.
04:39There was no fog of war.
04:41There was no doubt what had happened.
04:44That terrible, awful video that I wish I had not seen.
04:47I hate, again, social media, that almost every person in this country, including our young people, have seen that video on a loop over and over and over again.
04:55And I can't unsee it.
04:56I can't stop seeing it.
04:57Every time I close my eyes, that's what I see.
05:00The governor sent an aide to the hospital who reported that Kirk was dead.
05:06Cox dialed a number.
05:08As you're calling the White House, what is in your heart?
05:11Just sickness, nauseous, disbelief, anger.
05:20At this point, I'm very angry.
05:22To whoever did this, we will find you, we will try you, and we will hold you accountable to the furthest extent of the law.
05:34His anger was showing.
05:36I just want to remind people that we still have the death penalty here in the state of Utah.
05:41But when he searched for meaning, he recalled the suffering of both parties.
05:48Our nation is broken.
05:53We've had political assassinations recently in Minnesota.
06:01We had an attempted assassination on the governor of Pennsylvania.
06:06And we had an attempted assassination on a presidential candidate and former president of the United States,
06:16and now current president of the United States.
06:21Nothing I say can unite us as a country.
06:25Nothing I can say right now can fix what is broken.
06:28We just need every single person in this country to think about where we are and where we want to be.
06:39I've been following, I've been studying political violence.
06:43And so I'm keenly aware when these things happen.
06:47And I'm seeing people get murdered, get attacked, who are Democrats and Republicans.
06:54And that's where it came from in that moment.
06:56In the days after the murder, as you're trying to bring the country together,
07:03Steve Bannon, the philosopher of the MAGA right, called you a national embarrassment.
07:10Yeah.
07:11I love free speech.
07:13I would give my life defending his right to say that about me.
07:17That's okay.
07:19We can have that debate.
07:21There are some people that think I am a national embarrassment.
07:23And that's okay, too.
07:26Who do you blame for the division?
07:29I do believe that social media is a cancer.
07:32And it is taking all of our worst impulses and putting them on steroids.
07:37It is driving us to division.
07:40It is driving us to hate.
07:42These algorithms that have captured our very souls,
07:45they've captured our free agency,
07:48these dopamine hits that get our young people and our old people addicted to outrage and hate
07:54that serve us up on a regular basis,
07:57are absolutely leading us down a very dark path.
08:01A path through platforms that look like civil war,
08:06powered by algorithms, programs, written to amplify posts of rage.
08:13The algorithms are absolutely destroying us.
08:16Once they know what your political leanings are,
08:20then it's like a pack of wolves that just attack.
08:23We have this collective problem that we can't solve
08:27because we're all sucked in and we don't know how to get out.
08:31We met Spencer Cox in the Capitol at the foot of the Wasatch Range in Salt Lake City.
08:37He was raised one of eight on a farm of modest means.
08:43He's a lawyer, devoutly Mormon, with three years left on his second term.
08:48His conservative record includes tax cuts, expansion of gun rights, and restrictions on abortion.
08:56You are a Republican, but not a Trump Republican.
09:00Well, that depends.
09:01I did vote for him this last time.
09:03But not in 2016 or 2020.
09:06That is also correct, and he gives me a very hard time about that every time we're together.
09:11The tent is broad on the right,
09:13and I'm trying to show one way to do politics.
09:18His way to do politics surprised many in 2020.
09:23Campaigning for governor, he refused to run negative ads.
09:28I think you should vote for me.
09:29Yeah, but really, you should vote for me.
09:31Instead, he asked his Democratic opponent to join him on the air.
09:36We can disagree without hating each other.
09:38And win or lose in Utah, we work together.
09:40So let's show the country that there's a better way.
09:43My name's Chris Peterson.
09:45And I'm Spencer Cox.
09:46And we approve this message.
09:48Cox took the message beyond Utah when, in 2023,
09:52he became chair of the Bipartisan National Governors Association.
09:59There, he launched a campaign called Disagree Better and went back on the air.
10:05I'm Spencer Cox, Republican governor of Utah.
10:07And I'm Jared Polis, Democratic governor of Colorado.
10:11Twenty-three governors from both parties joined Disagree Better.
10:15Healthy disagreement means not assuming that the other side is deluded, misinformed,
10:21or actively trying to overthrow America.
10:24Thank you.
10:25This month, Cox took the message to the University of Notre Dame.
10:30He's done more than 20 of these events nationwide, often with Democratic governors, including
10:37Michelle Lujan Grisham of New Mexico.
10:40Does Disagree Better mean that we should drop our differences and everybody meets in the middle?
10:45Absolutely not.
10:46In fact, it's the exact opposite of that.
10:48Abortion is an issue on which we disagree passionately.
10:52And yet, even though we have these very strong, it looks like a chasm between us,
10:58I think we would both agree that we should be doing more to take care of single moms.
11:04I think those are the types of things that we can agree on while still being pretty passionate
11:09about whether we think abortion should be legal or not.
11:12And when you do that, and we listen, and we find that there is some common ground,
11:16It reduces, it lowers the temperature, it provides opportunity, not just for discourse, but doing something.
11:24Do governors understand something that Washington does not?
11:28Yes.
11:28Yes.
11:29Yes.
11:30We're completely about results, not about rhetoric.
11:34We like to say that potholes aren't partisan, and governors do have to deliver actual results.
11:40I think there's a, sadly, in D.C., we've seen this performative politics,
11:45and much less substance.
11:48There are some people watching this interview who are disgusted that you two are sitting together.
11:55Well, we need courage over comfort.
11:58You know, I don't work for a partisan party.
12:02I work for every single New Mexican.
12:04Yeah, I see her as an American before I see her as a Democrat or anything else.
12:10I think we need more of these conversations.
12:13I think we need them in our own homes, in our own neighborhoods, in our school boards, in our city councils, all across the country.
12:22The day Charlie Kirk was murdered, one of the first calls Spencer Cox received was from Democrat Michelle Lujan Grisham.
12:31We should be condemning, at every chance we get, political violence.
12:37Our democracy falters when we don't.
12:40This is an American.
12:41This is a person.
12:43This is a person who lost his life in free speech.
12:47And there's real grieving for that family.
12:51And it doesn't end tomorrow.
12:53It will last a lifetime.
12:55Says the Democrat.
12:58Says the Democrat, because it's true.
13:01It's true.
13:02Please include that.
13:03It was late that afternoon.
13:06We returned with Spencer Cox to Utah Valley University.
13:10That flag, that doesn't represent any single group.
13:14It doesn't represent one part of our country and not another part of our country.
13:18Students gathered where Charlie Kirk was killed.
13:23Cox told the crowd they can't count on politicians.
13:27Change, he said, must come from all of you.
13:32Thank you.
13:33Thanks for leading us out.
13:34Thank you.
13:35I'm desperately looking for more architects and fewer arsonists.
13:41Again, it's so easy to burn down and tear down.
13:44And we've got too much of that today.
13:46I'm hoping that a positive vision for our country, a positive vision for our party,
13:52treating everyone with dignity and respect, that's how we get our country back.
13:56Some people watching this interview might be thinking he should run for president.
14:00But the fact is you would never survive Republican primaries.
14:04Well, the thought of running for president makes me nauseous.
14:09I have no interest in that.
14:11I'm glad that there are good people who are willing to do that.
14:13But that is not something I've ever been interested in.
14:17And you're also correct.
14:19The way we select our candidates makes it almost impossible for someone like me to have an opportunity.
14:27Is it possible that your message is naive, that the violence will just continue?
14:33That's very possible.
14:37That's very possible.
14:38I think the founders were naive to believe that they could start a new country based on very different principles than virtually any country in the history of the world.
14:49I think that it was naive that we could rebuild after a civil war had fractured us and we had killed 600,000 of our fellow Americans.
14:59So I believe that naivete with some passion can change the world.
15:05It's probably the only thing that ever has.
15:12Eyewitnesses to murder.
15:14Yours was the last question Charlie Kirk ever heard.
15:18Yeah, I don't really know how to grapple with that.
15:20At 60MinutesOvertime.com.
15:22As tensions rise between Europe and Russia, Russian aircraft have pierced NATO airspace in Poland, Romania, and Estonia in recent weeks.
15:38And in the Baltic Sea, another incident has raised the stakes even higher.
15:43A tanker named the Eagle S was tracked, dragging its anchor across the seafloor, leaving severed cables in its wake.
15:52Undersea cables carry the lifeblood of modern existence.
15:56Electricity, gas, digital communications, global banking, the Internet itself.
16:02Without the cables, all that would grind to a halt.
16:05In the past two years, at least 11 cables have been cut in the Baltic, primarily in the waters off Finland, which shares an 832-mile border with Russia.
16:18Who's behind the rash of brakes is a mystery, but this much is known.
16:24Before Russia's war with Ukraine, these types of incidents were extremely rare.
16:29We cut across the Baltic Sea in this small navy dinghy, looking for clues to a nautical whodunit.
16:39We headed for the 170-foot Finnish minesweeper Vaterpa.
16:44This massive ship towering above us is a crucial part of Finland's maritime defenses,
16:50guarding these waters between Russia to the east and Estonia to the south.
16:55Everything is quite close here.
16:57You've got Estonia, you've got Russia, you've got Finland, you've got Sweden, all come together right in this area.
17:06Chief of Staff of the Finnish Navy, Tony Jotsja, told us the ship uses remote vehicles to monitor undersea cables in the Gulf of Finland,
17:14a narrow, shallow stretch of the Baltic, crowded with thousands of vessels,
17:20many of them carrying Russian oil and gas to India and China through Finnish waters day and night.
17:26We know what's happening in the Gulf of Finland at all times.
17:30That's a lot to keep an eye on.
17:34That's true.
17:34For example, Russia, 40% approximately of their commercial traffic goes through the Baltic Sea.
17:41And a lot of that is the oil transport?
17:44Yes, definitely.
17:46It was one of those ships, the Eagle S, loaded with Russian gas headed to Egypt,
17:52that triggered a nationwide alarm in Finland on Christmas Day 2024.
17:58I remember it very clearly because I was here in my residence with my family, with my old father, spending Christmas Day.
18:10Prime Minister Petteri Orpo got an urgent call from Finland's border guard that shattered the holiday calm.
18:18I was told that we have a problem with electricity cable between Finland and Estonia.
18:24A critical undersea electric cable, S-Link 2, had been severely damaged 50 miles off the Finnish coast.
18:32Because there had been five other recent suspicious cable and gas line breaks,
18:38the border guard told the prime minister it suspected this one was deliberately severed by a ship.
18:44What did they say?
18:45They told me there is a suspected ship named Eagle S in Aria.
18:53And they are on their way to the place and they are ready to react.
19:00With the Eagle S near Finnish territorial waters,
19:04Prime Minister Orpo authorized the extraordinary step of moving to intercept the tanker.
19:10I made a phone call to the chief of the border guard and I said to him,
19:17you can trust that you have my and my government's full support.
19:24Use all the tools you have.
19:28Finland called all hands on deck as the coast guard vessel Turva sped toward the Eagle S.
19:35Police and Finland's National Bureau of Investigation monitored from shore.
19:40We had the possibility to intervene and apprehend and secure the evidence.
19:47Helsinki police chief Jari Liuku says the coast guard radioed the Eagle S asking if its anchors were up and secure.
19:55The reply was, yes, sir, our anchors are secured.
19:58But three hours later, at 6 p.m., as the Turva closed in, the crew could see that was not true.
20:06The anchor chain was hanging in the water.
20:09We had a strong reason to believe that it was an intentional activity from their side.
20:17The Yuku was informed that a total of five crucial undersea cables along the route of the Eagle S
20:24had been broken that day and the ship was still on the move.
20:28And, of course, there was a risk that criminal activity may continue unless the authorities intervene.
20:35Just after midnight, as the ship entered Finnish waters,
20:39Finland dispatched an armed team of special forces to the Eagle S by helicopter.
20:44They dropped onto the vessel in the dark
20:47and seized control from about two dozen crewmen from the countries of Georgia and India.
20:52The police and the border guard and the defense force were actually taking over the Brits.
20:59Is that unusual?
21:01Well, it was first time when, after Second World War, when Finnish troops boarded a boat.
21:11The first time since the Second World War?
21:13Yeah, that's why.
21:14Because we had to do something in that case.
21:16There was an imminent threat that other critical infrastructure between Finland and Estonia would be damaged.
21:23Risto Lohi, overseeing the Eagle S case for Finland's National Bureau of Investigation,
21:29told us the next cables in the Eagle S's path could have strained Estonia's electricity and gas supply.
21:36So there was also a necessity to intervene.
21:41This is underwater video of the crime scene.
21:44Finnish investigators determined the Eagle S had raked its anchor across the sea bottom for more than six hours.
21:51When the ship was ordered to haul it up, the anchor was so battered it snapped off the chain.
21:57We found the anchor and the track mark on the seabed started from the first damaged cable
22:04and the track mark was continuous until the location when the vessel was stopped.
22:10Police handed their evidence to Finnish prosecutors,
22:13who charged the captain and the Eagle S's two senior officers
22:17with aggravated criminal mischief and interference with communications.
22:21They pleaded not guilty.
22:23The damaged cables cost $70 million to repair.
22:28The case is still underway.
22:29In court, the captain claimed the anchor had been dragged by accident.
22:35How far did they drag this anchor?
22:37Approximately 100 kilometers altogether.
22:41That's 66 miles before the Coast Guard cutter,
22:44Torva, confronted and ultimately stopped the Eagle S.
22:48Commander Miko Simola told us the tanker's behavior raised serious alarm.
22:53There are fail-safe measures on the anchor to keep it from dropping accidentally, are there not?
23:01Certainly there are safety mechanisms.
23:05There are like three different safety mechanisms.
23:07Yeah, different safety mechanisms.
23:08The captain of the ship says that he didn't know that the anchor had been lowered and dragged for 66 miles.
23:18Is that believable?
23:19It's hard to believe, being a Coast Guard officer, certainly.
23:24A captain of the vessel must always know whether the anchor is hoisted or in the sea.
23:30So interesting comment, this is what I could say.
23:33An interesting comment.
23:34Yeah, certainly.
23:35More suspicious?
23:37The ownership of the 20-year-old Eagle S.
23:40A seven-month investigation by 60 Minutes found its owners hidden behind layers of shell companies.
23:47Public records list the primary owner as a woman from Azerbaijan with an office in Dubai.
23:54The ship is managed by a company in India and leased to a major Russian oil company.
24:00That oil company has financed a fleet of hard-to-trace tankers to move Russian oil, evading Western sanctions.
24:08This phenomenon is called Russian shadow fleet.
24:14Shadow fleet?
24:15Shadow fleet.
24:16It is pumping money to Putin's war machine.
24:21He's still making profit off of Russian oil, even though the sanctions are in place.
24:27Yes.
24:27Prime Minister Orpo told us the shadow fleet's constant presence in the Baltic Sea is raising the temperature with Russia,
24:36barely 200 miles across the water.
24:39Do you consider Russia a threat?
24:41Of course Russia is a threat.
24:43We can see what they have done against Ukraine.
24:46And also in Finland we have seen many hybrid attacks.
24:52What do you mean by hybrid attacks?
24:53We have seen these incidents in the Baltic Sea.
25:00We have seen sabotage in Europe.
25:05So we are not in the war, but we are under attack.
25:11You're not in war.
25:13No, we are not in war.
25:14But you're under attack.
25:15Because we are the target.
25:18Beyond recent Russian aircraft incursions into NATO airspace, EU officials have connected Russia to numerous attacks in Europe.
25:28Fire bombings, assaults on rail and arms depots, explosive packages, and now the mystery of the Eagle S.
25:36This breaking of the undersea cables, this was not happening before the outbreak of war between Russia and Ukraine?
25:46No.
25:47We didn't have any of this kind of incidents before Russian aggression against Ukraine.
25:52But after that we have had many.
25:54So I have to ask what seems to be the obvious question.
25:57Is this Russia?
26:00I can only say that there is clear connection between Russian shadow fleet and these incidents.
26:07It's clear.
26:09Does it feel as though Russia is probing and prodding to find soft spots in not just Finland's defenses but NATO's?
26:19This is their way to try to harm us.
26:23Make us afraid.
26:24Prime Minister Orpo says the Eagle S was a test of Finland's resolve.
26:31We sent a clear signal to the shadow fleet and maybe to the actors behind that we have our limits.
26:40Finland joined NATO in 2023.
26:43The alliance recently launched Operation Baltic Sentry, deploying ships and planes to monitor the shadow fleet and safeguard critical seabed infrastructure.
26:53British Admiral Keith Blount, NATO's Deputy Supreme Allied Commander, told us the Eagle S incident was a provocation that demanded a response.
27:04We launched a response to try and deter, prevent similar incidents happening again in the Baltic.
27:13So it was kind of a triggering event for us.
27:16And of course, we haven't seen another incident since we established Baltic Sentry.
27:22What is the message that Baltic Sentry is sending?
27:27We're not going to be pushed around, interfered with.
27:31We're not going to be subject to illegal behaviors that either threaten the rule of law or worse, threaten the safety and security of our people.
27:42Because of its connection to the shadow fleet, the Eagle S was sanctioned by the EU, England and Canada, restricting its access to ports.
27:51On the face of it, the incident seems to be a small thing.
27:56But when I see your reaction, when I see NATO's reaction, that Eagle S incident has turned out to be quite a big deal.
28:06Yes, it was a big deal.
28:08We have to react.
28:10And it was first time we react.
28:13We show that we are ready to defense our critical infrastructure, our property.
28:20And that's why it was turning point.
28:22I have a saying in the United States, enough is enough.
28:26Yes, enough is enough.
28:36He holds no championship belt, but Dana White is the most prominent and pugnacious figure in the UFC, the ultimate fighting championship.
28:48The CEO slash hype man is the embodiment of the league itself, long on unapologetic force, short on precious formality, intoxicating to some and acquired taste to others.
28:59And much like the UFC, White has penetrated the defense of mainstream culture, moving in from the fringes to join the ultra-rich, serve on the board of Meta, and befriend the current president.
29:11A small disclosure, we've been speaking with White for years about his appearing on this broadcast.
29:16A heavyweight disclosure.
29:18This was before Paramount Skydance, parent company of CBS, recently paid almost $8 billion for the UFC's media rights.
29:26Yes, cage fighting on network television.
29:29Perhaps the ultimate sign of how far this sport and its no-holds-barred leader have come.
29:36Oh!
29:38Big shot!
29:40Baranovsky!
29:41Wow, whoa!
29:42Are you serious?
29:44Tuesday night's all right for fighting.
29:46We sat outside the octagon for Dana White's Contender Series, a streaming show that doubles as the UFC's farm system.
29:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:55If the fighters entertain White, like this first-round knockout artist, he rewards them with a UFC contract.
30:02Good fight. Thank you very much.
30:03Incredible.
30:04An invitation by the big boss to the big show.
30:09White is chief author of the greatest sports business story of this century, maybe ever.
30:14Oh, that looks good!
30:16In his 30s, he helped buy the UFC, then a renegade cage-fighting operation for $2 million.
30:23UFC!
30:24Now 56, he runs a global league valued at more than $15 billion.
30:29Six hundred and seventy-five fighters under contract.
30:36A brutal mashup that includes kickboxing, wrestling, and jiu-jitsu.
30:43Fire away. You know me, man. You've known me for a long time. Fire away. I don't give a s***.
30:46The entire business is built more on White's force of personality than on a traditional playbook.
30:53We met him at UFC headquarters in Las Vegas.
30:56Whenever I read stories about the business of UFC, I literally laugh and say, nobody knows anything about the business.
31:05So what is everyone missing?
31:06For 25 years, people have been trying to figure it out, and people have been trying to do it.
31:11Someone told me it all starts with Dana's gut.
31:13That's absolutely true. I don't know who told you that, but that's right.
31:17We've got a sellout crowd here, 5,000 people.
31:20It was his gut that got him into the game.
31:22He managed boxers in Boston, then fighters in Vegas in the fledgling sport of MMA, mixed martial arts.
31:28When White caught wind UFC's owners were out of money, his first call went to two high school buddies, Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta, Las Vegas casino heirs.
31:38I said, I think they're going out of business, and we could probably buy this thing, and we should.
31:43The Fertittas put up the money.
31:45White got 10%, but he had to run the damn thing.
31:49The UFC wasn't just unprofitable, it was largely unsanctioned.
31:53In February 2001, White needed a home for the first fight of his regime.
32:00None of the venues wanted this, you know.
32:03They didn't believe in it, they didn't like it, and they were worried about the type of crowd that would show up for this type of event.
32:10He found hospitality at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, then owned by a familiar fight fan, Donald Trump.
32:17When the Trump brand was here, and the UFC brand was down there, he saw it and said, I'd love to have this at my casino.
32:27He showed up the first prelim fight of the night, and stayed until the main event was over.
32:32He watched the whole card?
32:33Watched the whole card.
32:34What did the balance sheets look like back in those early days?
32:37It was so bad that at one point, Lorenzo called me and said, Dana, I can't keep doing this, man.
32:43I'm literally blowing all my family's money.
32:47And obviously that night, I'm thinking, we're done.
32:49It's a wrap.
32:49This is over.
32:51And he calls me the next day, and literally this is what he said to me.
32:56Let's keep going.
32:58So they did.
32:59Do you want to be a fighter?
33:00A reality series and its storylines helped draw in millions of fans.
33:05Obviously a massive, massive accomplishment.
33:07Electric matchups, and Joe Rogan on the mic, kept it rolling.
33:11Oh, he's done.
33:12He's done.
33:13From the beginning, White imposed his will.
33:15Just ask the guys in the live TV production truck that didn't follow his direction.
33:20I literally got up from my seat, went back there and kicked the door open.
33:23They disobeyed the box.
33:24To the truck, yeah.
33:25Kicked the door open to the truck.
33:27You know, I was basically like, you ever do this again, I'm firing every one of you.
33:32Long story short, we ended up firing everybody.
33:34It's been an honor calling your fight, sir.
33:36Thank you very much.
33:37You're welcome.
33:38By 2016, the sport sanctioned in every state, the UFC sold for $4 billion, on the condition
33:45White stay on as CEO.
33:47President Trump still routinely shows up at UFC fights, but now makes a grand entrance.
33:57The relationship that he and I have, and when we get together, when I have dinner with him,
34:02we don't talk politics.
34:04What do you talk about?
34:04We talk about goofy guy stuff that all guys talk about.
34:07You know what I mean?
34:08Like what?
34:08We talk about Rocky movies.
34:10We talk about different fights that have happened.
34:12That's a real samurai.
34:14White's office is a shrine to guy stuff, the mother of all man caves.
34:18This is a piece of art that represents war.
34:22War is all about money.
34:23You once used a term with me that I quoted you on, the wussification of America.
34:27I think I said b****, but yeah, I get it.
34:30We're on 60 minutes, yeah.
34:32Has the pendulum swung the other way?
34:34I feel like it's starting to.
34:37Cage fighting has always celebrated male bravado.
34:41Big connection, Lee!
34:42But White is intent that more women than ever follow the sport.
34:47He bristles at the suggestion that UFC fandom is taking on new edge.
34:52You don't think there's this cultural movement.
34:55It's a lot of guys.
34:56Call it the manosphere.
34:58You're one of the leaders.
34:59You know when you talk about knowing your fan base and knowing who they are?
35:03Who are they?
35:0418 to 34-year-old males and growing global.
35:08We are definitely unapologetically masculine.
35:14Can this bubble over too much?
35:16When you hear toxic masculinity.
35:18What's that mean?
35:19You tell me.
35:20No.
35:21You said it.
35:22What's the definition of toxic?
35:23How can somebody be too masculine?
35:25Is that a possibility?
35:26Can you be too masculine?
35:27You tell me.
35:28No.
35:28Do you think so?
35:29The answer is hell no.
35:32Hang out with Dana White in Vegas and odds are good you'll end up here at the Bellagio.
35:37Hi.
35:38How are you guys?
35:39Good to see you.
35:39Thank you.
35:40Enough of a regular, he's plied with whiskey and a cigar before heading to a private Baccarat table.
35:46In this city, nothing is off limits.
35:49How much are we betting here?
35:51$400,000.
35:52The $400,000 hand?
35:53Mm-hmm.
35:54Because these sissies won't give me a million a hand.
35:57A few hands in, Fortune was not in his corner.
36:01God damn it.
36:03Ooh.
36:04No bueno.
36:04We're down $1,240,000.
36:06You heard right.
36:08He was down $1.2 million.
36:11What's this feeding in you?
36:12I'm a sick, sick guy.
36:16That's the only explanation I can give you.
36:18Not 10 minutes later.
36:20Boom.
36:20Let's go.
36:22Come on.
36:23Where's the stance?
36:26He was cashing out, up $700,000.
36:31This is how we do it.
36:32Another win for White's instincts.
36:36His gut proved golden once again in August when Paramount Skydance outbid others and offered
36:43the UFC $7.7 billion over seven years for U.S. media rights, putting the UFC right up
36:50there with other major sports leagues.
36:52You still have 10% of this enterprise?
36:54I have a deal here that would make Roger Goodell and every other guy go, holy s**t.
37:02Meaning what?
37:03I got a damn good deal.
37:04Listen, man.
37:05This business has worked just fine.
37:07The model isn't broken.
37:09And, you know, I love when people who have no f*****g idea what they're talking about.
37:13One question that hounds White.
37:15Here we go, round two.
37:16Does enough of the UFC's big money see its way to the fighters?
37:20Tom Aspeno.
37:22The big stars can make millions per fight.
37:25But so-called bottom-of-the-card fighters are paid as little as $12,000.
37:29Earlier this year, the UFC settled a class-action antitrust lawsuit with fighters for $375 million.
37:38Your media rights deal basically doubled.
37:41Is fighter pay going to increase proportionally?
37:45I can't sit here right now and tell you, you know, it's double, it's one and a half,
37:49it's triple.
37:50But, yeah, fighter pay is, yeah, it's going to be good.
37:53Do you pay fighters a fair wage?
37:55Absolutely.
37:56People don't know how much a lot of these guys make.
37:59If you want to know what LeBron James makes, it's two keystrokes away.
38:03We're different in a lot of ways.
38:05We're different than most major sports.
38:08And this is the only sport where the athletes get to say whatever they want.
38:13Another difference.
38:13In most sports, offensive speech by athletes can result in suspension.
38:18Not so the UFC.
38:20We don't have to agree with it.
38:21We don't have to like it.
38:23So is there anything a fighter can say, tweet, do, that you say, you know what?
38:28There's got to be consequences.
38:31I'm a big believer in free speech.
38:33And unfortunately, probably the most important speech to protect is hate speech.
38:38You're not a fan of cancel culture.
38:40No, I hate it.
38:41On both sides.
38:42It's like all the stuff that's going on with Charlie right now.
38:46You know, these people are going out and saying stuff and, you know, you're seeing people getting fired or kicked out of school.
38:52You don't think they should be fired?
38:54I think you're a disgusting human being if you're celebrating the death of another human being.
38:58But people make mistakes and people are going to do dumb things.
39:03I don't like trying to destroy people's lives over doing something dumb.
39:11So we're going to be here on the White House lawn.
39:14Top of mind for White, a fight card next summer.
39:17So the fighters will walk out of the Oval Office to come to the Octagon.
39:20The same man who once offered White a casino for staging the UFC now has offered his backyard.
39:27What can you tell me about the card?
39:28Everybody wants to fight on the card.
39:31There's going to be a fight on the south lawn of the White House.
39:34Weigh-ins at the Lincoln Memorial.
39:36I still can't believe I'm saying those words.
39:38Even an optimist like you.
39:39I can't believe I'm hearing them.
39:41Inspiring the awe.
39:43This will hardly mark White's first trip to the halls of power.
39:46At President Trump's inauguration, he got the equivalent of a cage-side seat.
39:51What do you say to the fans who say, I feel like the UFC is taken a side?
39:56I am an American citizen.
39:58Biden was my president.
40:00Trump is my president.
40:02I was at the inauguration.
40:04And I was sitting behind all the ex-presidents.
40:07And there was this stuff going around like Dana's mad dog and President Obama.
40:12President Obama turned around, the only president that did.
40:16And shook my hand and said, congratulations on all your success.
40:21And I said, thank you very much, Mr. President.
40:23That's what you were, people wondered what you guys were talking about.
40:25That's what happened.
40:26I've never talked about that publicly.
40:27If President Obama called and said, hey, I'd like to come see a fight.
40:31We'd be like, yeah, buy some tickets and good luck here, whatever.
40:34No, the sitting president or an ex-president of the United States wants to come to your event.
40:40You treat them with respect.
40:44Meanwhile, White's tent is expanding.
40:46Two weeks ago, he promoted championship boxing under the UFC umbrella.
40:50Almost 71,000 people, and it was the third biggest fight ever in the history of boxing.
40:56You're saying it went well.
40:57It didn't suck.
40:59Enjoy yourself tonight and have a good time.
41:02After a big fight weekend, most execs might give their staff a pat on the back.
41:06Relax, drink and smoke some cigars.
41:09Have a good night.
41:10White, the bluntest instrument in all of sports, threw his staff a weeknight bash.
41:15We asked around about you.
41:18One word came up again and again.
41:20You know what it was?
41:21Loyal.
41:22Boom.
41:23Yeah.
41:24Got some detractors, too.
41:26You want to guess this one?
41:28What?
41:29Bully.
41:29Bully?
41:30Yeah, that makes sense.
41:31You don't seem so bothered by that.
41:33Yeah, I love it.
41:34Listen, if you want to be my friend, I'm the best friend you'll ever have.
41:38You want to be my enemy?
41:39I'm really good at being that, too.
41:45The last minute of 60 Minutes is sponsored by UnitedHealthcare, coverage you can count on for your whole life ahead.
42:01Now, a look ahead to next week's 60 Minutes.
42:04We'll profile Rob Reiner, who went from a character nicknamed Meathead to director of some of the most memorable movies ever.
42:15Including his unlikely first film, This is Spinal Tap, a cult classic that mocked rock and gave new meaning.
42:25The numbers all go to 11.
42:28To the number 11.
42:30One louder.
42:31Why don't you just make 10 louder and make 10 be the top number and make that a little louder?
42:37These cards are 11.
42:39All right, here we go!
42:40We joined Reiner on set as he directs...
42:43Okay, tap, tap, tap.
42:44Tap, tap, tap.
42:45...and stars in a sequel 41 years later.
42:48You've got him right here.
42:49You're the director directing yourself...
42:52I know, it's crazy.
42:53...and the documentary.
42:53It's crazy.
42:54It's making me nuts.
42:55I'm Leslie Stahl.
42:58We'll be back next week with another edition of 60 Minutes.
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