00:00In his final public speech as MI6 chief, Richard Moore warned that Putin doesn't want peace
00:07and accused China of supporting Russia's war efforts. How concerning do you think this warning
00:16is? I don't think there's anything new in the warning. I think that those of us who have worked
00:20on the Ukraine war since it began and have been gathering intelligence on it would tell you that
00:26exactly what Richard was saying, that there's no sign that Putin has watered down his war aims.
00:33I, for example, don't believe there'll be a lasting and just peace in Ukraine for as long
00:38as Putin's in power. Politicians and state representatives have to watch their words
00:44in those areas, but that's my fundamental belief. And in terms of China, I think China is in this
00:49war for its own benefit. I don't think there's any particular love between Putin and Xi or Russia and
00:55China. In fact, quite the opposite. But it suits China particularly to have Russia out front
01:00as the pariah state rather than themselves, and for them to profit from things like low-cost energy
01:06imports that they're benefiting from, from Russia at the present time. And I think that it's imperative
01:13really on the West to put more pressure on China. And one of the ways that that can be done, of course,
01:18is in these secondary sanctions that have been referred to, which Trump has applied to India for
01:24buying Russian oil, but has so far refrained from applying to China.
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