00:00Labour's new return scheme with France was meant to be a bold attempt to cut illegal
00:06crossings. But this week, it suffered its first legal setback.
00:11Labour are caught in the classic catch-22 situation. If they do one thing, they're going
00:17to be criticised. But if they don't do enough, they're going to be criticised by others.
00:20Of course, we know that there is an issue with immigration. Let's face it, this thing
00:24has been sort of bubbling along for the last ten years or so.
00:27A High Court judge temporarily halted the deportation of a 25-year-old Eritrean
00:34man under the one-in-one-out scheme, ruling his trafficking claim must be fully heard.
00:41You know, we've had sort of recent incidents, certainly in the sort of the tail end of the
00:44last Conservative administration, where we were talking up to a million net migration
00:49into this country, which means that sort of people leave, you know, and sometimes a couple
00:54of 100,000 who leave the country, which means people coming in are even greater. Now, obviously,
00:59that has an impact. You know, we hope, of course, many of the sort of the legal people are sort
01:04of coming here for jobs and will contribute to the economy and so on and so forth. But
01:07of course, the reality is when you sort of dig down into sort of the data, it's not quite
01:11as clear as that. And of course, particularly when you sort of bring in sort of those to deal
01:15with care issues, and they can bring dependence in, there's a whole set of sort of consequences.
01:20We're not building up houses, our health system is not sort of fit to cope with the existing
01:24population, schools, etc, etc, etc. Supporters argue immigration brings vital workers into
01:31the economy. But critics warn housing, healthcare and schools are already stretched.
01:37Keir Starmer and his administration in the election last year, he promised to come in
01:43and smash the gangs. It's not happened, you know, because of course, you're dealing with
01:47sort of organised criminals, and they are adept to sort of moving round to sort of get there,
01:51if you like, one, two, three steps ahead. And of course, what we've got now is the idea
01:55that sort of people have to wait and see, it's like a taxi service. The real problem is how to sort
02:00of to crack that particular nut and to sort of to please people. There has been talk of sort of
02:05coming out of the EHCR, the Human Court of Human Rights. But of course, that's something
02:10which of course, was this country was wedded to, and came about, let's be sort of absolutely
02:14sort of frank about this, in sort of the aftermath of sort of the Nazis in Europe to create a better
02:19society. The High Court decision raises bigger questions, how to deter dangerous crossings
02:25while respecting the rule of law and international obligations.
