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00:18Ambulance, tell me exactly what's happened.
00:20It's my brother. He's been stabbed.
00:22He's been stabbed?
00:23He's been stabbed.
00:24Oh, my God, please.
00:26Is he breathing?
00:27No, he's not breathing. Oh, my God.
00:29Right, is there serious bleeding?
00:31Yeah, yeah. He's got a hole in his heart.
00:33He's got a hole in his heart?
00:34Yes.
00:35Right, there's an ambulance on the way.
00:36We're coming to you on emergency.
00:37Lights and sirens.
00:38Please, please, please.
00:39Come back, please.
00:40Come back, please.
00:41Come back, please, please, please, please.
00:48Can we trust our justice system?
00:53To find out, we're re-enacting a British mother's trial for murder.
00:58You've told this court that you stabbed him because he was strangling you?
01:01Yes.
01:02Well, that's not possible, is it?
01:03Using the actual court transcripts.
01:05Why did you lie?
01:06I was scared. I was terrified.
01:09With actors.
01:10A single stab wound punctured an artery coming out of the heart.
01:15The subjects of this groundbreaking experiment are 12 ordinary people.
01:20I don't think anyone can really understand what it's like to be on a jury until you're on a jury.
01:25It just doesn't feel fair.
01:28Their job, to deliver justice.
01:31I'm so sorry.
01:32Bring my emotions into it.
01:34But is the jury system fit for purpose?
01:36Tell me you're not listening.
01:37No, I am listening.
01:38But I don't agree with that.
01:39Exactly.
01:40No, I'm done. I'm done.
01:41I'm not having it.
01:42We have absolutely no legal training.
01:45Some people are so adamant in their thought that the evidence doesn't matter.
01:49Can they decide who's telling the truth?
01:52He was an aggressive, volatile man.
01:55That's a lie.
01:56Will they make a just decision?
01:58There's a clique.
01:59We were going one way, and that's the only way.
02:02For God's sake, everybody in this room needs to grow up.
02:06I don't need to be spoken to you like that, I'm sorry.
02:08And will they reach the same verdict as the jury in the original trial?
02:13Cold, calculated murder.
02:15Sorry, are we listening to the same evidence?
02:36A murder trial is about to be restaged with actors in this former courthouse in Liverpool.
02:42Sitting in judgment will be a jury of 12 ordinary people drawn from the local area.
02:48I think justice has just gone so soft now.
02:52There's got to be a deterrent.
02:54Working all them years in the kitchens, hot, sweaty kitchens.
02:58Don't take any shit, and I know I can be a valuable member of the jury.
03:03I don't think anyone is born evil.
03:07Most people will deserve a second chance.
03:11I want to believe that there is good in everyone.
03:17I think this is a vital experiment.
03:19Because currently we don't know what happens in a jury room.
03:22It's secret.
03:23We know nothing about it.
03:25It's illegal to observe juries in real criminal trials.
03:29Juries make mistakes.
03:31This is a way to really scrutinise how juries think and why they come to the decisions that they do.
03:39I can be accused of being confrontational or argumentative.
03:43And I have been.
03:44I have been pretty much all of my work in life.
03:46And that's a good thing.
03:47I believe it's a good thing.
03:48You have to have the discussion and the arguments to get things out in order to understand somebody else's point of view.
03:53Juries are just ordinary people forced to do, it's a civic duty, forced to do an incredibly difficult job.
04:03I'm quite an emotional person.
04:05Then probably the logic comes in behind.
04:07I wouldn't say I'm always the best judge of character.
04:10I'm a terrible judge of liars.
04:12I cannot tell if somebody is lying.
04:15Anyone that sits there and wants to judge me.
04:18Oh, gosh.
04:19Oh, three kids, three different fellas.
04:22Oh, hardly no education.
04:24Oh, working in retail at 42.
04:27Oh, terrible.
04:28You don't all have to be professors to say, this person's done wrong or this person's done right.
04:36Juries are there to decide the facts.
04:38They alone decide the facts.
04:40So they have a huge amount of power.
04:44Knowing how juries think can make the justice system fairer.
04:49Morning, everyone.
04:50Morning, you're all right?
04:51Morning.
04:52Hey, I'm not rushing, I'm scouts.
04:54I know, yeah.
04:55Over the next two weeks.
04:57I've never been to court.
04:59Me neither.
05:00These jurors will sit through a shortened version of the original trial.
05:04I'm really excited, are you excited?
05:06Yeah.
05:07How many children do you have?
05:08I have three.
05:09Three boys.
05:10God's wanted to give me a challenge.
05:12Their job, to reach a unanimous verdict.
05:15You've got kids yourselves?
05:17I have not.
05:18I've always wanted to have like a family.
05:20Everybody's from such a different walk of life.
05:23I am proper, just as it is.
05:25Just a typical man.
05:29People's opinions and things are all going to be different.
05:32I don't think I'd like to be judged by a jury myself.
05:34Like a group of strangers determining my fate.
05:38Let's do this.
05:39All names, dates and locations in the trial have been changed to anonymize the case.
05:52Good morning members of the jury.
06:01We're now ready to start.
06:03You will see the accused, Sophie Fairlow, sitting in the dock.
06:09Sophie Fairlow is 23 years old.
06:13She has a two-year-old daughter from a previous relationship.
06:18You twelve must decide the guilt or innocence of the accused on the charge of murder.
06:26We will begin with the prosecution, who will open the case to you.
06:32What is this case about, ladies and gentlemen?
06:45It is an agreed fact that in the early hours of the 27th of April, Sophie Fairlow stabbed her boyfriend of six months, Ryan Hargrove, in the chest at their home.
07:01With this kitchen knife.
07:06Madam Clark, would you show the jury, please?
07:10The injury caused him to bleed to death within a matter of minutes.
07:19The issue for you to decide is why she did it.
07:26Now, she says it was because he attacked her.
07:31She says he tried to strangle her to death and that she has the bruises to prove it.
07:37She said her actions were in self-defense and that she didn't mean to cause him harm.
07:42But we, the prosecution, say that that is all a lie.
07:51We say that that night she set about making up a whole series of lies.
07:58She lied to the paramedics.
08:01She lied to the police.
08:04She tried to hide the evidence of her crime.
08:09We say she did not stab him in self-defense.
08:13She stabbed him in anger, in temper, with intent to cause him serious harm.
08:21And that she is guilty of murder.
08:31May we call our first witness, please, Dr. Thomas Abingdon.
08:35Now, at the request of the coroner, did you undertake an autopsy of Ryan Hargrove?
08:48I did.
08:49And can you confirm the cause of death?
08:51A single stab wound to the chest.
08:54And what damage did the knife do?
08:57It penetrated 11.5 centimeters, puncturing the left lung and then an artery coming out of the heart.
09:05Madam Clark, can you show the knife to Dr. Abingdon, please?
09:10Now, I'm not going to ask you to touch the knife itself.
09:13We have a plastic copy here.
09:15Right.
09:16In your report, you say the stab was delivered in Lady Macbeth style.
09:21For those who haven't read Macbeth, could you demonstrate?
09:29And what would happen to the person who had sustained the injury that you discovered?
09:35It wouldn't have killed them immediately.
09:37The internal bleeding was very slow.
09:40So they could have survived for some minutes, even an hour or more.
09:44But the hole in the lung would cause it eventually to collapse,
09:48making it harder and harder to breathe.
09:51And ultimately, it was a fatal wound.
09:56If the jury finds Sophie Fairlow guilty of murder, she will receive a life sentence in prison.
10:06If they accept she was acting in self-defense against being strangled, she will be acquitted and walk free.
10:14What about that then?
10:17Hey.
10:18Wow.
10:19I wasn't expecting a woman.
10:23There's no emotion whatsoever.
10:25I kept looking at her and looking at her when he was saying what she's done.
10:29And there was nothing.
10:31The law in this country allows you to use reasonable force to defend yourself.
10:36The law does allow you to kill someone if you believe that that person is likely to cause you significant harm.
10:46Shall we all come together?
10:49Bring your chairs up here and we'll all get together.
10:51But force must be reasonable and proportionate.
10:56You cannot use force that is excessive.
10:59If someone was coming at you with their fists, it would be unreasonable for you to pick up a gun and to shoot them.
11:05If you're Sophie now getting strangled by her, is it reasonable to get him off you by any means necessary?
11:10Well, I'll say straight away, no.
11:13At the end of the day, someone's got a knife put on him.
11:17She could have just waved the knife and said, get away from me, get away from me.
11:21But she never.
11:22She stuck it right in his chest.
11:24Why didn't she stick him in the leg?
11:26Stab him in the arm?
11:27I personally don't think it was justified.
11:29That's just my personal opinion.
11:31She could have done something else to get him off her.
11:33She could have kicked him in the balls.
11:35She could have, you know, she could have bit him.
11:37If it was me and I had to get him off me, that's what I'd do.
11:40The brutality of the case, it's unbelievable.
11:44I definitely do not think that we are all capable of committing a crime like that.
11:49Otherwise, life would be a bloodbath.
11:54It's, it's, it's an interesting one.
11:58It's easy, it's not for me just fight or flight.
12:02It's freeze.
12:03Yeah.
12:04You just don't do anything.
12:07And, um, yeah, I've been on the receiving end of domestic abuse as a gay man.
12:14I have been in situations where I have been in fear of my life.
12:19But I, I just do not have it in me to fight back.
12:24And I carry a lot of shame about that.
12:28I can understand somebody who can, somebody who could fight.
12:32I, I personally couldn't.
12:34And therefore I personally could not kill another person in that environment.
12:38I, I could not.
12:40I, you know, I've had other people in my life who were fighters.
12:43My dad was a policeman.
12:45I can understand other people having it, but I, I just, I don't have that killer instinct.
12:52I mean, I, I appreciate that it's an honest answer.
12:55Yeah.
12:56But, but do you, do you accept that people in your situation who might think like that, then end up dead?
13:02Yeah.
13:03I don't know yet whether she was being strangled.
13:09But if she was being strangled, is it reasonable for us to do what she did?
13:15And my answer to that is yes.
13:18I've always been drawn to supporting the underdog.
13:21A woman in that situation would have been terrified and out of her mind
13:24and would have reacted on, on that basis without really thinking through what was happening.
13:30If I'm getting strangled, I'm, I'd stab them. Sorry.
13:33She's claiming that she has been strangled.
13:36Other members of the jury were really minimising that.
13:39I'm not a violent person. I've never been violent.
13:41But I can categorically say if someone had their hands around my neck,
13:45I would do anything I had to do to save myself.
13:49Whether I have to stab them once, whether I have to stab them three times,
13:52my animal instincts are kicking in and I'm surviving.
14:00The prosecution calls Sophie's neighbour to the stand.
14:10She saw Ryan in the street just after he'd been stabbed.
14:15Miss Wanton, you live opposite the defendant, Miss Fairlow, on Newtide Road, is that right?
14:25Yes, I live there with my partner and two children.
14:28And Sophie Fairlow moved onto the street about a year ago?
14:33That's right.
14:34And her boyfriend, the deceased, moved in with her about six months ago?
14:39Yeah.
14:40Did the couple argue?
14:45Yes, sir. A lot.
14:47Did they argue at any particular time?
14:51Usually when drunk.
14:53Now, I'm going to ask you about the events that led up to the death of Ryan Hargrove.
15:00Could you tell me where you were in the early hours of April the 27th?
15:06In bed asleep.
15:08What woke you?
15:09Screaming and shouting.
15:11The restaged murder trial of Sophie Fairlow continues in front of a jury of ordinary people.
15:28Juries are selected at random, so it's a luck of the draw.
15:33And it's a momentous decision they have to make.
15:37Someone's lost their life.
15:39They have to decide whether criminality has taken place.
15:44After stabbing Ryan in the chest, the defendant did not call the emergency services.
15:51Instead, she followed him out into the street and tried to hide the fact he'd been stabbed.
15:59Once a week, did you look out of your window?
16:02Yeah.
16:03And what did you see?
16:05I saw Sophie in the doorway and Ryan on the ground.
16:09He tried to get up, but he fell.
16:11What was Sophie doing?
16:16She was shouting at him to come in and go to bed.
16:19Did Ryan say anything to Sophie?
16:21He shouted, my heart's bleeding.
16:26His T-shirt was covered in blood.
16:29And then what happened?
16:31Ryan was on his knees, but he stood, stumbled across the road to where his brother lived on the other side.
16:38Then he fell again.
16:43What did Sophie Fairlow do now?
16:46She went over to him.
16:48She was shouting, he's on drugs and something about court.
16:52And then what did you see?
16:54Ryan's brother, Fraser, came out of his house to see what was happening.
16:59Mr Hargrove, you were woken in the early hours?
17:03Yes.
17:05Sophie was shouting at Ryan.
17:08She was telling him to get up.
17:09If you don't want to be single, you'd better get back in that house.
17:12And you could hear your brother?
17:14Yes.
17:15It sounded like struggling breathing from Ryan.
17:22So you went outside?
17:24And did Sophie tell you what had happened?
17:26Not the truth.
17:28She told me he's fine.
17:36She said he was just drunk and he'd been fighting with bouncers in town.
17:41She didn't tell you that she had stabbed him and that he was in desperate need of urgent medical help?
17:48No.
17:49No.
17:52And what happened next?
17:54She asked me to help get him back into the house.
17:57So I picked up his arms, I told Sophie to grab his ankles and we carried him back into her house.
18:07Was he alive?
18:08Yeah.
18:09But he was passed out.
18:11And was he doing anything?
18:13Just making weird noises.
18:17I'll never forget those sounds.
18:24No further questions.
18:25The prosecution's case is that by delaying getting medical help for Ryan, Sophie deliberately let him die.
18:43So heavy, isn't it?
18:45It is so heavy.
18:47I just wanted to give the neighbour a hug.
18:49Helen.
18:50I did.
18:51Just come here.
18:52I'm the brother though.
18:53Oh, really?
18:54The brother.
18:55I don't understand what drove Sophie to stab her partner and then do nothing to help him.
19:03The fact that she'd stabbed him and she just let him wander around the place.
19:09That's what I mean.
19:10Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:11Never thought to be...
19:12Girl, what can you possibly say to that?
19:13Yeah.
19:14He clearly wanted...
19:15What do you think?
19:16The wounds are just going to heal themselves?
19:17Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:18It's going to be okay.
19:19If Ryan was extremely aggressive and if he was violent, he still didn't deserve to die.
19:27Prison.
19:28He deserved to be punished, 100%, but not to die.
19:32She stabbed him and she allowed him to stay for that long without getting him help.
19:39For me, that's the hard part of what I'm struggling with at the moment.
19:43You need to get somebody help.
19:45At that point in time, you need to not think about yourself.
19:47You need to think about the injured person and think, what can I do to now help them?
19:51And she didn't think that.
19:52She just thought about herself and just continuing to lie.
19:55I think I've gravitated a bit towards Stacey.
19:58I think we kind of have the same views.
20:01She's throwing lies out left, right and centre.
20:03By covering her tracks, everything that she's done is to protect herself.
20:06She must have put the blade all the way in.
20:08So she had to then pull that knife out.
20:10That's the part where I can't get my head around.
20:12You'd still get help, wouldn't you?
20:14I think everybody should be held accountable for their actions.
20:18I was a victim of violence which ended up at trial with a jury
20:26and the jury members found him guilty ten to one.
20:30If you've done wrong, you should be punished.
20:33If you've taken a life, then you should spend your life in jail.
20:37If you're allowing that perpetrator to walk free,
20:40you're not doing the victim justice then, are you?
20:43If you could make a verdict right here, right now,
20:46would you say full-blown murder?
20:48Yeah. For now.
20:54What do you think, right now, about the case?
20:58I reckon she's as guilty as hell.
21:00She's guilty? Murder?
21:05That's a load of bollocks.
21:07People come to judgement far too early
21:09and I think it's foolish of them to do that.
21:13I've always been aware of the horrible, abusive situations
21:18that a lot of women are placed in.
21:21We haven't heard from Sophie herself.
21:24So people connecting dots and adding two and two and getting ten
21:28get irritated by.
21:30The jury returns for Ryan's brother Fraser's cross-examination by the defence.
21:42When you're defending in a trial, what you want to do is to establish a case theory.
21:48It's like the story I'm going to tell.
21:50And every question you ask during the trial will be advancing that case theory.
21:56I want to build the picture piece by piece by piece.
22:00The defence case in this trial is that Sophie was the real victim in the relationship
22:06and that Ryan was a violent, abusive man.
22:10Mr Hargrove, you believed your brother was merely drunk
22:15because he did quite often go out and get drunk, didn't he?
22:18Er, yeah.
22:20And he had a history of getting into scraps once he'd been drinking and taking drugs?
22:24Well, er, getting a bit leery.
22:27And getting into fights?
22:29You told the police that, didn't you, when interviewed?
22:32Yeah.
22:35Jurors, would you look at your bundle?
22:38Er, it is tab 4.5.
22:43These are police photographs of the defendant taken shortly after her arrest.
22:48They show bruising to her arm.
22:55No chance.
22:56Not having it.
22:59The day before the incident,
23:01you were dropping something off with the defendant
23:04when she showed you this bruise.
23:06That's right, isn't it?
23:07Yes.
23:08And she told you that Ryan had done this to her, didn't she?
23:11Yeah, but she could have got them bruises anywhere.
23:14That's bullshit.
23:16But you weren't interested in discussing it with her, were you?
23:18No. No, I...
23:20We weren't friends or anything.
23:21I just... I just knew her through my brother.
23:31I wasn't convinced with the bruises on her arms.
23:34He's six foot odd, whatever he is.
23:36Yeah.
23:37Built like a brick shit out. Six foot.
23:38I'm sure if he puts his hands round her neck or he hit her,
23:41she's gonna be severely.
23:43She's gonna have some bruising, aren't you?
23:44Yeah.
23:45I'm not saying there's been no violence in it,
23:48but I think the bruises didn't look that serious.
23:51It doesn't prove anything.
23:53If it was black eyes, if it was bust lips,
23:55if it was, you know, chunks of hair taken out,
23:58if it was broken bones, I'd be all, yeah.
24:01But two bruises on your arm?
24:03Come on, Gil.
24:04You've got two little bruises on my arm.
24:06You've got two little bruises on my arm.
24:07You've got two little bruises on my arm.
24:08My kids do that to me.
24:09You could have got them carrying the shots in the oven.
24:11Exactly.
24:16I think there's a lack of...
24:17There's a lack of empathy in this room.
24:19It's OK for us as 12 people sitting on a comfy chair
24:23with our mugs to say,
24:25we shouldn't act like that,
24:26because we've got logical brains right now.
24:29It's not the same.
24:31A lot of the jurors in the room are out to get Sophie.
24:35It's easy to say,
24:37no, she stabbed him, she murdered him,
24:39that's the end of it.
24:40Black is black, white is white.
24:42I think there probably is more going on.
24:45Like, what's happened for her to get them bruises?
24:49But what did people want her to do, Jez?
24:52Just lie down and take it, yeah, yeah.
24:55Is that the message we're giving to women?
24:57Yeah.
24:58If someone lays their fucking finger on you
25:00and you don't do shit...
25:03It's...
25:04I'm not condoning violence,
25:06but it's like...
25:07I get emotional because it means that much to me.
25:09You've got women in the same situation thinking,
25:13I can't speak up.
25:15Yeah.
25:19The end of the first day of the trial.
25:21And the jury has been released.
25:28The world is not equal for men and women, no.
25:31Like, sharp no.
25:37I support victims of domestic abuse.
25:40Because of the job,
25:42I am exposed to the bad of people every single day.
25:49Domestic abuse is all around us.
25:52And you don't know what's going on in someone's life.
25:56So, these are my graduation pictures.
26:08I am a proud working-class girl.
26:11I've always been a really academic person.
26:14I've always seen education as a privilege.
26:18I was always known as Amy, the smart one.
26:21I was the kid who asked for extra homework,
26:24because I knew I need to work hard to get a good job,
26:30to have a good life.
26:31I have to work hard.
26:33I was bullied at school.
26:37I was always the kid that would stand back and watch the other kids play.
26:44It was really hard.
26:46It still follows me around.
26:48But now I'm older and I know that it was never me.
26:51I was never the problem.
26:53It was the other people.
26:59But I'm grateful for it, actually, because it's made me who I am.
27:07It's important for me to defend Sophie,
27:10because I just have this little gut feeling.
27:14What she done was an awful act of violence,
27:21but I think it's been done out of desperation.
27:40Good morning, everybody.
27:41Morning.
27:42Good morning.
27:43Good morning.
27:45How did we all sleep?
27:46Did you sleep?
27:47No.
27:48Didn't you?
27:49I kept replaying certain things in my head again and again,
27:52and I just...
27:53I couldn't switch off.
27:55Morning, morning, morning, morning.
27:56Morning, Dave.
27:58He's ready to start the day.
28:00I'm ready to get on there.
28:02It's the second day of the trial of Sophie Fairlow.
28:05You all right?
28:06It's all right.
28:07It's very intense.
28:08It is brutal to sit and watch and hear the details.
28:12The details of someone's death.
28:15Yeah, interesting to see what today is going to bring, like...
28:18My first impression of Sophie is not great.
28:23But...
28:25It's difficult because nobody will ever be able to comprehend how somebody reacts in that situation.
28:32When I was a child, like, being surrounded by violence was just part of the area.
28:38I had this pent-up rage, this element of, if something was not going right, I could react to it in such a bad way.
28:47It took a long time for me to grow up, and that is the truth about it. I had to grow up.
28:57I think there's a bit of a divide amongst us.
29:00As in, like, a Camp Ryan and a Camp Sophie, based off just yesterday, in terms of whether it was right or wrong, what she's done.
29:12For this level of violence to occur, there needs to be something catastrophic.
29:17Something of such an enormous, like, magnitude in your life to happen.
29:24We don't fully understand the build-up to this.
29:27We don't know whether, you know, Sophie felt like her life was in danger or anything yet.
29:31We don't know all the facts.
29:34So, until we do, we can't really chump the gun.
29:36Have any of your thoughts changed, like, having some time to let it sink in and stuff?
29:43No.
29:44You're still where you are?
29:46I know they will, though.
29:47Yeah, I know.
29:48As soon as the scene goes off, yeah.
29:49I said, I will definitely be eating my words.
29:50Yeah, I think so.
29:51You'll end up quitting, you'll end up going for murder.
29:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:54Can you imagine?
30:06After carrying Ryan Hargrove back into her house, Sophie left him face down on the living room floor, where he eventually died.
30:21Sophie called 999 for help, but only after a delay.
30:27Members of the jury, we have heard that Ryan Hargrove was semi-conscious and already struggling to breathe.
30:36He was dying from his stab wound and needed urgent medical help.
30:44But instead, the defendant waited 25 minutes before calling 999.
30:55Why, you might ask.
30:58You are about to hear the call that she finally made, and you can judge for yourself how seriously she was taking the slow death of her boyfriend.
31:12Please play the audio.
31:16Ambulance, tell me exactly what's happened.
31:19Um, I don't know.
31:21My boyfriend's here, and he's making weird noises.
31:24I don't know what's going on.
31:26Hello?
31:27Right.
31:28Hello?
31:29Right.
31:30Can you just turn around?
31:31I've got the ambulance on the phone.
31:33Please, can you just turn around so I know what's up with you?
31:35I mean, what were you both doing up until he started doing what he's doing now?
31:39Well, he's been fine.
31:41He's just come home, and then he's just collapsed on the floor.
31:46He was fine up until about, like, five minutes ago, and then he just started making noises.
31:50Right.
31:51Do you want an ambulance to come and take him to hospital?
31:54Yeah.
31:55Do that, please.
31:56Right, okay.
32:00All right, well, we'll get someone sent over to him.
32:02It's been arranged.
32:03I mean, it might take a while, so I do apologise.
32:05It's bank holiday weekend, and we're getting absolutely...
32:07No, that's fine.
32:08Don't worry about it.
32:10Right.
32:13I found Sophie's call really harrowing.
32:16At no point did she sound like her boyfriend had just been stabbed.
32:20Like, if my partner had been stabbed, I'd be ringing erratic, like, please send me help.
32:26If I'm honest, I think he's just took some drugs.
32:29I just think he's too smashed.
32:30That's what I think.
32:32Yeah, well, that's why.
32:33But I need to be on the third side, like, my boyfriend, so...
32:37If you have any more problems or his breathing changes or anything like that,
32:40make sure you ring us straight away.
32:41Okay, then, thank you.
32:42All right, no worries.
32:43All right, thank you.
32:44Cheers, bye.
32:47You heard Ryan groaning at the beginning of that call.
32:52He was long dead by the time the paramedics arrived.
33:04Jesus, man.
33:06That was a lot, wasn't it?
33:09Sophie let him die.
33:11Why?
33:12Why did she delay?
33:14Why she lied?
33:15She never, ever once tried to save his life.
33:18I'm done, I'm done.
33:21I was on the fence before now, but after that phone call...
33:24That phone call has just closed the book for me.
33:26I'm not having it.
33:27I'm not having it.
33:28I'm not having it.
33:29I'm not having it.
33:30That was quite damning, I thought.
33:32Very damning, wasn't it?
33:34Knowing all the time that she has stabbed him.
33:36Did she know, though?
33:37You can't form an opinion of one person on a five-minute 999 call
33:43in a state of trauma and shock.
33:45If she's getting strangled...
33:48Oh, that part I had to see before until that phone.
33:52Cos what's going through my head now?
33:54If she's getting strangled and she's in that, literally, like,
33:58I'm going to die.
34:00I don't think for one minute she knows how bad it was.
34:03I believe that she knew something was wrong
34:07and that's why she had picked up the phone and rung the ambulance
34:09in the first place, but I don't think it really dawned on her
34:12the gravity and the reality of what had happened.
34:17Does anybody think that that phone call was...
34:21It was trying to save someone's life?
34:24No, she was trying to save her own life.
34:26I don't think she had any idea how bad it was.
34:28I don't think she knew.
34:29I don't think she knew, no.
34:32First thing she said on the phone was that she didn't know
34:34what was going on.
34:35When she's been asked, is everything OK?
34:37And she's like, I don't know what's going on.
34:38So she's had the chance there to be like,
34:40I've been attacked, I've attacked me, I've attacked me,
34:44my partner and that's it.
34:46It's what?
34:48It might not be that easy, but she had the chance.
34:50But I mean, I personally don't believe it's that easy.
34:53It's been 30 minutes, whatever, to switch your brain to,
34:56let it be logical, what's just happened.
34:58Yeah, but it's not about logic.
34:59It's about trying to stop someone from dying.
35:01I'm not disputing maybe she left him to die,
35:03but leaving him to die to me, personally, is irrelevant.
35:06But if you've been attacked...
35:07Yeah, but it's their complaints.
35:09It's self-defence.
35:10That's the whole point of it,
35:11because if you would have rang the ambulance longer,
35:12this wouldn't be a murder case.
35:13Yeah, you wouldn't survive them.
35:14Yeah, it wouldn't be a murder case.
35:15It wouldn't be a murder case.
35:16Is she in denial or no?
35:17I know so.
35:18It's the actual charge.
35:19Yeah.
35:20We've not heard yet.
35:21I didn't think it would be this difficult.
35:28I also don't want...
35:33I don't want to seem like a mug.
35:36If you would have rang the ambulance longer,
35:38this wouldn't be a murder case.
35:39I'm not having self-defence at all.
35:41No, man.
35:42I'll fight for that one.
35:45She could have just picked up the phone
35:46and told him exactly what had happened.
35:48She could have just said,
35:49look, I've stabbed my boyfriend.
35:51He was grabbing at me.
35:52He was grabbing at my throat.
35:53I couldn't get free.
35:55Then I would have quit that girl in a heartbeat.
35:58That girl wouldn't even...
35:59I wouldn't even be sat there.
36:00I'd just be like, listen, bang, let that girl go.
36:04But she never did that.
36:19In the trial of Sophie Fairlow,
36:23Sophie's grandmother has been called to the stand.
36:26She was the first to learn that Sophie had stabbed Ryan.
36:34Mrs. Crossford,
36:36at about four o'clock in the morning on the 27th of April,
36:40were you asleep in bed?
36:41Yes, I was.
36:42And did you wake up because your mobile phone was ringing?
36:44That's correct, yes.
36:45And who was on the phone?
36:46Sophie.
36:47And what did she say to you?
36:48She said, Ryan is dead.
36:50I think I've killed him.
36:51She was crying.
36:52She was very distraught.
36:54Did she tell you what she'd done with the knife
36:56that she had used to stab Ryan?
36:58Yeah, she told me that she'd put it in Fraser's bin.
37:12And I told her, why did you do that?
37:14Because you do know that the police are going to do
37:16a fingertip search of the area.
37:28Now the defence continue building their case.
37:39You and Sophie are close, aren't you?
37:42Yes, we are. We're very close.
37:44And there were long periods of her childhood
37:47when her mother was unable to look after her,
37:50and she lived with you?
37:51Yes, that's right.
37:53I really tried my best to give Sophie the love and support she needs.
37:57Did you know about Sophie's relationship with Ryan Hargrove?
38:03Yes, I do, yes.
38:06How did Sophie feel about Ryan?
38:08She loved him.
38:10She was just smitten by him.
38:15Even that night, after he'd died, she wanted to go to the hospital.
38:20She wanted to be with him.
38:22She wanted to kiss him.
38:24But we knew that wasn't possible.
38:28Having a family unit was something that was important to her?
38:33All Sophie ever wanted someone to love her forever.
38:39And did you think that Ryan was a good partner for her?
38:44No, I did not, no.
38:46Why?
38:47He didn't treat her right.
38:50Not at all.
38:51He was going out, he was taking drugs, meeting other women.
39:00And he wasn't caring.
39:03He could be really nasty to her.
39:06He called her names and he was violent to her.
39:12Is that what Sophie told you or did you see that for yourself?
39:18Not.
39:19I saw it with my own eyes.
39:21Once she was sitting on a settee and he walked by from the kitchen and he just kicked her.
39:28It's hard to hear, isn't it?
39:31What did you do when you saw that?
39:34I didn't do anything.
39:37He just walked off.
39:40To be honest with you, I was scared of him.
40:01That was horrible, wasn't it?
40:05That got me emotional, actually.
40:07A grandma being scared of your boyfriend, that's awful.
40:12She could have not been telling the truth, but I believed her.
40:15I cried when the mum said she just wanted to be loved.
40:18She'd grew up with that abusive relationship because she wanted to be a family unit so much
40:24because she'd never had it.
40:25That was just so sad.
40:26It was a tough watch, that one, weren't it?
40:29Yeah.
40:30It was a difficult one.
40:32I've had a slight change of heart.
40:34I think it's currently plausible that there was a chance that Sophie was acting in self-defence.
40:41There's some blokes that if I grabbed hold of, they'd have a fucking nightmare trying to get me off.
40:45They'd have a fucking nightmare.
40:47To take that energy into a household with someone's daughter.
40:50She wants somebody to love her.
40:52She wants somebody to be around.
40:53She loves the idea of a family unit.
40:55Do you not think he sort of had it coming?
40:57Maybe not getting stabbed.
40:58He didn't have that coming, but he was still an absolute bellend.
41:01He was still an horrible bastard to her.
41:03Ryan is quite clearly capable of intimidating people.
41:07I think there's a lot more to come out of the details of the relationship.
41:11We've literally scratched the surface.
41:13This is the first time I've felt sorry for her.
41:16Yeah.
41:17Like, she's been through a lot.
41:18He's looking to fill that void of loving inside her.
41:22Even stay with an abusive partner.
41:24That shifts something for me.
41:27Not like making it all okay, but it does shift something for me.
41:30She seemed really vulnerable today, didn't she?
41:32Yeah.
41:33Really vulnerable.
41:35Sorry, guys.
41:39After hearing Nan's testimony, I feel that there's a pathway for acquittal.
41:44What's fascinating is watching how sympathies have started to come towards her again.
41:49Oh, yeah.
41:50Amazing how people have suddenly flicked just like that.
41:55Oh, yeah.
41:56The tunes have changed.
41:57Oh, yeah.
41:58Most definitely.
41:59And I'm like...
42:00It's like, we're the only ones standing up for it yesterday.
42:02I know.
42:05I'll do whatever I can to try and convince people what I truly believe.
42:11At the moment, murder for me is completely off the cards.
42:18Can I jump in, girls?
42:19Of course, Dave.
42:20We were waiting for you.
42:21I know, yeah.
42:22You see?
42:24Some jurors change their mind from today.
42:27But I think we're getting thrown a few red earrings here and there,
42:31and, yeah, I'm not buying it meself, like.
42:33So, what did we think about the Nan?
42:35Do you think she was a credible witness?
42:37No.
42:38No.
42:39No.
42:40She was, like, a character witness, wasn't she?
42:42Yeah, she was a character witness, cos I didn't get anything from her.
42:44So, was she a credible character witness?
42:46No, because she's a Nan.
42:48When Mary said she was scared of Ryan,
42:53how scared was she?
42:54Because she didn't do anything about it.
42:57I think she was saying it to, kind of, so we could justify her granddaughter.
43:03I don't think the Nan is being as honest as she could have been.
43:08I think some jurors are looking for excuses.
43:14It's so funny how we are now gravitating to groups.
43:18Well, I was going to mention that today, actually.
43:20I think, erm...
43:22I mean, I'm more comfortable...
43:24I'm comfortable with you.
43:25Yeah, yeah, 100%.
43:26You're like me, we're bouncing off each other.
43:28Yeah, I'm the same.
43:2912 strangers in a room, 12 completely different people.
43:34I hope we can all come to a decision that we all agree,
43:39but it may get a bit shelty next week.
43:45I want to walk away knowing that I've given my all.
43:53She could have saved that young lad's life and she never.
43:59And I want to know why.
44:00My mum was in a very violent relationship with my father.
44:17He beat her up and she left.
44:21I think she left in the middle of the night or whatever.
44:23So, my mum had to put me in a home for quite a while.
44:32There was bars on the windows.
44:35And they were painted in, like, a cream colour.
44:39And I remember the metal bed.
44:43She had to make a decision.
44:44And it must have been so hard for her.
44:47I was living on the streets when I was 16.
44:49But when I was homeless, I was very vulnerable.
44:53And I was fortunate that I had a job.
44:56My hands are knackered now, like, but still do it.
45:00You never lose it, do you?
45:02There's always a way you can get yourself out of trouble.
45:06And I'm not saying everybody's the same.
45:08And you've got to take the opportunities.
45:11And that's what I did.
45:12I worked damn hard.
45:13I've had loads of trauma, but I don't go around killing people.
45:18Otherwise, if you were like that, killing people,
45:22it's hard to be empty.
45:25Wouldn't it?
45:29He grabbed my neck and I couldn't breathe.
45:33He won't let me go.
45:35Next time, Sophie takes the stand.
45:38I was just utterly terrified.
45:39Nonsense, this is all right.
45:42When everyone start going at me.
45:44Can't stop listening to evidence you're a journalist.
45:47Struggling with them people.
45:49And the defense reveals dramatic new evidence.
45:52And then you're both picked up on CCTV as you turn into your street.
45:55It's hard to feel sorry for the victim after the actions that we're seeing them do.
46:07Yeah.
46:08All right.
46:09Let's go.
46:10So we'll see you through this.
46:11So we're out for the next day.
46:12How did you see them do?
46:13What do you see them do?
46:14To see them do.
46:19To see them?
46:20Do they do?
46:21I'll see you next time.
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