The Charlie Kirk Suspect Arrested!

Stefan Molyneux

In this X Space, philosopher Stefan Molyneux investigates the tragic shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University, analyzing the implications and motivations behind the act. Stefan reflects on Kirk's qualities and the profound impact of his loss, while discussing the current polarization in political discourse. Examining the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, Stefan considers the influences that may have led to this violence and the role of social media in exacerbating ideological conflicts. He concludes with a call for introspection and a return to civility in our discussions.  FOLLOW ME ON X! https://x.com/StefanMolyneux  GET MY NEW BOOK 'PEACEFUL PARENTING', THE INTERACTIVE PEACEFUL PARENTING AI, AND THE FULL AUDIOBOOK! https://peacefulparenting.com/  Join the PREMIUM philosophy community on the web for free!  Subscribers get 12 HOURS on the "Truth About the French Revolution," multiple interactive multi-lingual philosophy AIs trained on thousands of hours of my material - as well as AIs for Real-Time Relationships, Bitcoin, Peaceful Parenting, and Call-In Shows!  You also receive private livestreams, HUNDREDS of exclusive premium shows, early release podcasts, the 22 Part History of Philosophers series and much more!  See you soon! https://freedomain.locals.com/support/promo/UPB2025

Transcript

00:00All right. Thank you, everyone, for your patience. 12th of September, 2025.

00:05This is Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain. We're going to be talking about the Charlie Kirk shooting

00:09and the alleged shooter who is now in custody. And I do want to mention a few things about

00:20Charlie Kirk, who seems to have been almost universally loved across the planet. I mean,

00:26obviously not by the hard left, but by most people who knew him and met him. I met him once. I think

00:30we were on a panel together in St. Louis, and I gave a speech at a conference he was giving a speech

00:35at, watched him give his speech. And he had this really touching and wonderful, endearing quality

00:45to him. This optimism, this hope, this passion, this believe the best in people that I suppose

00:53I can only envy in a way. And he also had a patience, which is a virtue that I would not say

00:59I'm excessively infused with, but he had a kind of patience and a courage that was really second to

01:09none in the public square and public space. I never really, I think I saw him get angry once. And you

01:14know, that's, that's fair. There, there's nothing virtuous about a complete lack of anger. And so

01:20he worked very hard at what he did and absolute prodigy. Like, let's just be honest. I mean,

01:27an absolutely brilliant young man started his TP USA, I think at the age of 18 and had been speaking for

01:35quite a long time, tea party gatherings before that. And so he was a brilliant at organizing,

01:41brilliant at fundraising, brilliant at promotion. And I mean that in a very positive way, brilliant

01:46at debating. Uh, he wrote like five books. He got married, he had two kids, ran a popular podcast,

01:51and was just an absolute powerhouse. Uh, and he basically said the left can do a lot of things

01:58better than me, but they cannot outwork me. And I think he absolutely proved that with what he was,

02:04what he was doing and what he was up to, uh, an absolute force of nature. And this is from Dave Rubin,

02:10who said that Charlie Kirk once introduced him, even though Charlie Kirk had, you know,

02:15terrible back pain, which is not super unusual, of course, for people who have, um, uh, it is not

02:23super unusual for people who have, uh, a great height. I think he was six, five or something like

02:27that. And, uh, uh, he had back pain, but was still willing to, and able to do all of this stuff. Uh,

02:37he was, I wouldn't, I mean, I wouldn't say if he had a photographic memory or something like that,

02:42but he had a, I'm great with memorizing principles and I'm great with coming up with

02:47analogies, but he had a really specific and brilliant brain when it came to names, places,

02:56details, Bible verses, and, and, and data. He was just a data gatherer, uh, that was a really,

03:03really quite impressive. Uh, I'm not that great without the PowerPoints. So I just, I really,

03:08I find that impressive. Even the story of how he met his wife, I think her name is Erica was,

03:14was sweet and touching. And there was actually these really nice messages that Candace Owens has

03:19published messages, text messages back and forth with Charlie with them plotting about how to get

03:25Erica to, to marry a Charlie, but they met as far as I understand it. I think they met at an airport.

03:30He got her number and then he later invited her to meet him because he wanted to give her a job.

03:35And after a couple of hours of meeting with her, he said, I'm not going to give you a job.

03:38Can't have a job, but why not? I thought we were getting along well, because I want to date you

03:41and I can't date you if I'm your boss. That is a nice, nice story, isn't it? That's, that's a

03:47beautiful, beautiful story. And I, you know, my heart absolutely goes out to, to her. My gosh,

03:54I mean, it's a Dostoevsky quote I published on X today, which was, uh, those who love deeply are

04:02condemned in a way to never love again. And that is pretty horrible, pretty horrible to see and

04:09pretty horrible to process. He was such a singular figure that she's not going to find another person

04:15like him. I mean, to just be honest. And I, my heart just goes out to her. Uh, you know,

04:21she's really right at the edge of better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

04:25And, uh, you know, my, my heart just goes out to her. What an appalling thing to see. And of course,

04:29to have it videoed and broadcast and available until the end of time was just, it's really one of the

04:40most appalling things, you know, in the past, of course, because I, I view, uh, I view Charlie

04:46Kirk as a victim of an enemy combatant. And at least though tomb of the unknown soldier,

04:54you got a medal back, you got, uh, a letter and, uh, so on. And you could go and you could do a

05:01grave site visit, but even if you couldn't find it, that's a tomb of the unknown soldier.

05:06It's quite another thing to know that that murder is now going to be carved into the

05:11bits and atoms of the universe from here to eternity and the execution. Uh, it is absolutely,

05:18uh, beyond, uh, appalling. So, um, you know, my heart goes out to the family and to the children

05:26because he was a, a positive, benevolent, patient, positive and engaging soul, you know,

05:37that was snuffed out, you know, you think of the amount of work that he had to put into to became

05:42who he was, the amount of reading, the amount of thinking he said that he read was aiming to read

05:50three, a hundred books a year. It's like a book every three point something days. Uh, and that's

05:55incredible, right? It's incredible, particularly as a father and running his giant organization and

06:01affecting politics and, uh, being a husband. Uh, it's, and all that travel, it is amazing. Uh,

06:08he was a, an absolute workhorse of near indefatigability and that again, don't underestimate

06:16the power of just brute hard work when it comes to moving an agenda forward. It seems to me, it is

06:23almost absolutely for certain that he would have been vice president for eight years, probably eight

06:32years, president eight to 12 years. Uh, that seems to me almost for certain. So this almost is a

06:38prevention of a post Trump. Renaissance, uh, that was, was cut off. Uh, it's hard to know who could

06:49step into his shoes. It's hard to know who can pick up where he left off. I don't think it's going to be

06:53Ben Shapiro, although I think that's the rumor, but it is a absolutely brutal and horrifying

07:01situation and the public spectacle of it all. I don't think it's an accident. I think it's there

07:06to, it's a message. Uh, it is a warning and you know, everybody who believes what Charlie believes

07:15has seen not just the brutality of the execution, the, to me, terrorist execution. They've not just

07:23seen that brutality, which is going to give you some serious freaking pause, but

07:28also they know that there are millions and millions of fellow citizens who are cheering on

07:39and approving and baying in bloodthirsty, horrifying werewolf ways, the slaughter of a positive,

07:47wholesome, innocent, optimistic, brilliant family man who was executed. Well, why was he executed? I do,

07:56I do want to get to that. I have some, some thoughts about that, but he was moderate. Uh, I, he seems

08:04extremist to people who live in the leftist bubble. And for those of you who are not, for those of you who

08:10are on the left, you don't know, you don't know because it's in the daycares, it's in the, uh,

08:17primary schools, it's in junior high schools, it's in high schools, university, all the way through to

08:21post-grad. Uh, if you look at the faculty of these propaganda mills, these brain disassembly

08:27factories, you look at the faculty, you've got, uh, 90, 95%, 99% absolute leftists and not moderate

08:36leftists. In general, I would say that they're hard leftists. There are thousands and thousands

08:40of outright Marxists working in American higher academia. It is an absolute shite storm of

08:46relentless, hateful propaganda that is going on. So if you're in that or you're part of that,

08:54when was the last time you saw something foundationally that wasn't mocking or you're

08:58a terrorist right wing, uh, uh, that was put forward on, uh, mainstream media or movies,

09:03television shows, you name it, right? So if you're on the left, this is just like your physics

09:08and it's incomprehensible how anyone could have a different opinion because everyone, everyone

09:14around you is an NPC copy paste of a propagandized hatred towards all things, Christian, free market,

09:22individual, voluntarist, and virtuous, frankly. So it's incomprehensible to you because you're

09:29surrounded by everyone who agrees with you and therefore disagreement feels like an absolute

09:33offense to morality and reality. Everyone around you who claims to be good all believes exactly the

09:39same things to varying degrees, but not that much variance. If you look at the map of diversity

09:44on the left, there's almost no diversity of thought. On the right, there is greater diversity

09:50of thought, considerable diversity of thought. The left is a monomania of cult-like requirements for

09:57absolute conformity. And the left is a brutal towards anyone who deviates. I mean, I remember

10:04back in the, uh, election time, back in the election time when Trump was, uh, recorded by,

10:12was it Billy Bush, uh, with his, uh, you know, when you're famous, they let you grab them by the

10:16pussy and someone like, this is so shocking to people. Like you've never heard of groupies, right?

10:20And I remember at the time saying to the left, this is the end of the road. Trump can't possibly

10:24survive this, but Trump took ownership for it. He apologized for it. He said he was wrong to say,

10:29he hates that he said it and so on. And on the left, there's no path to redemption.

10:35This is why they're so violent. There's no, you have to have a path to redemption. We all make

10:38mistakes. And Stephen King, the horror novelist, and not even the novelist of horror, he's just a

10:45novelist who's horrifying as a human being. I was, uh, tweeting out that, uh, that, uh, Charlie

10:51Kirk advocated for the stoning of homosexuals. Oh, the language bubbling up in my inner. See,

10:59this is why I'm no Charlie Kirk. It's just fine. We need all kinds, but that seemed perfectly

11:07reasonable to Stephen King. You know, obviously a very brilliant writer and a very intelligent man.

11:12And, uh, he, he apologized, but I assume out of fear of legal action from the estate,

11:17because that's wildly defamatory. But, and of course not, not, I mean, go ask Dave Rubin,

11:23right? Who was friends with Charlie Kirk, but you just, you're in an echo chamber to the point

11:31where any difference of opinion strikes you as absolutely incomprehensible. Like to me,

11:36it's incomprehensible that people believe in the flat earth. Okay. Uh, it's, it's incomprehensible

11:44to me that there are people who think the world is 6,000 years old. I mean, I'm not offended by it.

11:50I'd like to debate. And I've actually debated with a flat earth guy. It was actually a pretty popular

11:55show. You can find it at fdrpodcasts.com. But, uh, I'm around people who accept that the world is

12:04older than 6,000 years and that it is not flat, right? I mean, technically it's a slightly

12:09flattened sphere, but you know what I'm talking about, right? So I'm just around people. I'm sure

12:15there are people out there. I mean, I know that there are people out there who believe in past

12:19lives or some cool thing where they're a pharaoh, never that they're a smallpox faced milkmaid named

12:27Gertrude. But, uh, there are people who believe lots of wild stuff. It's not part of my life. I

12:33accept there are beliefs out there. They just seem kind of crazy to me, which is fine. I'm sure

12:37my beliefs and my arguments seem crazy to other people, but those have on the, on the right are

12:44exposed to leftist ideas all the time, all the time, relentlessly from every single conceivable

12:49corner. And I mean, do you remember the panic when, when Elon Musk took over X and leftists were

12:57exposed because it wasn't so siloed anymore. Leftists were exposed to opposing arguments. Ah, you got to

13:02flee to blue sky. Run, run. Alien life forms, viruses of opposing ideas. I go, ah, take me down.

13:11They freak out. And they've done this study a number of times where it's a sort of theory of

13:16mind study, which is, can you play the devil's advocate for your position? Like you, for something

13:21that you oppose. Like I wrote a book where I make a very pro spanking argument, though I'm very much

13:26against spanking. So can you, can you do it? And people on the right can argue leftist positions.

13:32People on the left cannot argue rightist positions. They can't conceive of them. They can't understand

13:37them, which means they don't have any empathy. So you can empathize with people, which means you

13:41understand where they're coming from. Doesn't mean you sympathize with everything, but to empathize is

13:45to simply say, I get where something's coming. I don't agree, but I understand where they're,

13:49where they're coming from. So people on the left do not have empathy for the people on the right,

13:57which means they don't really have empathy for the people on the left. They're just conformists.

14:00And they're basically just playing to an audience of people who think exactly the same. And all they

14:05do is focus on consensus and being cheered on by their fellow travelers to hell, not because of any

14:12particular empathy or caring or understanding. So when Charlie Kirk comes to a campus, when Charlie

14:29Kirk comes to a campus, this is leftists coming out to see literal Hitler or fascist or, you know,

14:40whatever it is, right? And they see a reasonable guy who's asking questions, who's curious, who's

14:45respectful, who's decent, and who's patient. That is tough. It is really tough when you think you're

14:56in heaven to wake up to the possibility that you are in fact in hell. That is really, really tough

15:02for people. And most people will shy away from that confrontation. If the lie is big enough, this is an old

15:08Nazi thing, right? If the lie is big enough, people are afraid to question it, because then that

15:11questions their whole reality. And, you know, this, could we be the bad guys? Well, people on the left,

15:19I think, have shown exactly what they think of that. And not everyone, but most, a lot. Let's just say

15:26a significant number of people on the left are cheering this on and saying he brought it on himself

15:32because he was controversial and he was divisive, which is, of course, a circular, right? You view

15:38someone as controversial and divisive for making arguments you don't like.

15:45And then you can attack them for being controversial and divisive. But those are the labels that you've

15:49attached to them. And the left has a constant series of labels that they attach to people, which

15:54justifies being violent towards them. I posted a whole list of them on Exeter. I'm sure you can go and

15:59dig them up. But it is a free evil. We'll just give you labels that you can attach to people,

16:04which dehumanizes them. And then you can shoot them and think that you're the good guy. So

16:10I'll take some questions. And I really do appreciate your attention in this matter. But let's do

16:20a little bit of an old-fashioned... Let's turn that back on. My apologies. Hit the wrong X. I'm just...

16:36I'm at complete sixes and sevens. My apologies. I'm at complete sixes and sevens tonight. So

16:40I appreciate your patience as I try not to mess things too much up. It's been a rough week. So

16:47I think that the video is back. Let me just check that.

16:54I think we're back. So let me just double check that. Yes. Okay. So let's get into the truth about.

17:05So this is the truth about the alleged shooter. Again, it's not been proven beyond a reasonable

17:11doubt in the court of law, but this is Tyler Robinson. So Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old Utah

17:19resident identified by authorities as the suspect in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, September

17:2410th. Gosh, only two days ago. 2025, during a speaking event at Utah Valley University.

17:31Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, host of a popular podcast, was shot in the neck

17:36from about 200 yards away while addressing a crowd of about 3,000 people. He died shortly after at a

17:42local hospital. Robinson was arrested yesterday, September 11th, 2025, ending a 33-hour manhunt,

17:51currently being held without bail at Utah County Jail in Spanish Fork, Utah.

17:55So born around 2003, Robinson is from Washington, Utah, a small city near the Arizona border,

18:02about 260 miles south of Orem. He lived with his parents, including his father, who was reportedly

18:07a 27-year veteran Sheriff's deputy. He's a third-year student in the electrical apprenticeship program

18:14at Dixie Technical College in St. George, Utah. He attended Utah State University for one semester in

18:202021, possibly studying engineering, and earned college credits through Utah Tech University while

18:27in high school from 2019 to 2021. He was not enrolled at UVU and had no known prior connection to the

18:33campus beyond the incident. And there's a video of Tyler, who had a 4.0 GPA in school, achieved top

18:41ACT scores, and was awarded a $32,000 scholarship to Utah State University, which would have covered four

18:49years of tuition. And there's a video of him on exits. I guess it's a home video of him reading the

18:54letter. And he's, to me, got this, like, just my personal opinion. I don't diagnose anyone or say to

19:00anyone's medical history, but my own personal opinion is he's got this kind of dead-faced SSRI,

19:06thousand-yard stare. Woo! You know? And in all the videos, like, the pictures, and his eyes are dead to me.

19:14Now, I don't know if that's prejudice. I don't know if that's ex post facto reasoning. Well,

19:20I believe he's a killer, and therefore his eyes look dead. I don't know if I'd looked at that guy,

19:24try and put myself outside of that swirl, and say, okay, well, if I saw this guy, I didn't know.

19:28But there's something wrong. There's something really vacant or not there as a whole. The smile

19:36never reaches the eyes, right? I'm not saying he's Mr. Beast. I'm just saying that the smile never

19:39reaches the eyes, and that always gives me kind of the willies, right? I remember when I was

19:46directing and producing one of my plays after I left theater school, I directed and produced a play

19:52I'd written, and I had a guy who was kind of like that. And he was really, really tough to work with.

19:59I ended up having to fire him as an actor because he just couldn't get any emotions to come out of his

20:04frame as a whole. So, criminal history. The young man, Tyler, has no prior convictions or arrests.

20:13He's described by families and officials as a good son and law-abiding. Outside this case, of course,

20:19he is not affiliated with the military. As far as his political affiliation goes, Tyler's Utah

20:26voter records show him as registered but unaffiliated with any party. Family statements

20:31to investigators indicate he'd become more political in recent years. Claims of a Republican

20:37registration or Trump support, a debunked rumor of a 2020 Trump donation appeared to stem from a

20:42different individual with the same name. There was, of course, a photoshopped, I assume photoshopped

20:48picture where somebody had draped a support Trump t-shirt over Tyler, the original photo. Of course,

20:54that's not what he was wearing. And that, of course, was, I think, seen millions of times and

21:01people will believe it until the end of time. The fine people hoax, right?

21:08So, there were initial media reports of Antifa or transgender ideology on bullet casings.

21:15So, these are satirical references from video game culture. And then there are engravings like,

21:20hey, fascists, catch, like, catch a bullet. And notices, bulges, O-O-W-O, watch this. Which is,

21:30is that a furry thing? I think that's a furry thing. I don't know much about the furry subculture

21:35because I'm bald. No other reason. No other reason. And then one bullet was engraved with lyrics

21:41from the Italian anti-fascist song, Bella Ciao. Bella Ciao. I think that's out of the Spanish

21:49Civil War. So, the method. Authorities believe Robinson acted alone, firing from a rooftop on

21:56the UVU campus before climbing down and fleeing on foot. The rifle, a semi-automatic, was found

22:03wrapped in a towel in a nearby wooded area, with unfired cartridges engraved with these messages.

22:09Surveillance video captured the escape and he drove a gray Dodge Challenger to the scene.

22:12And, again, I'm no expert in these areas. These are just sort of basic questions that I had. It's

22:19like, okay, well, if he's climbing down from the roof, shouldn't he have his rifle with him?

22:23Doesn't seem to have his rifle with him. You did see him kind of jump, if you've done parkour kind

22:29of stuff. I did sort of this kind of stuff when I was younger. But he lands very heavily and

22:35awkwardly and so on. But, um, so I guess they got handprints from the, um, roof and then they would

22:41get his foot imprints from where he landed. I don't know if it's rained. I don't think it has.

22:46So, but yeah, I don't, again, if I'm missing something obvious, you know, please, please let me

22:50know. But, um, I don't know where the gun is and that seems confusing to me when he's escaping.

23:02Motive. So, preliminary, excuse me, preliminary evidence points to ideological opposition to

23:09Charlie Kirk's views. During a family dinner before the shooting, Robinson mentioned Kirk's

23:14university event and expressed disdain for him. Discord messages sent after the shooting from

23:21an account named Tyler, shared by a roommate, detailed the plot, including watching the rifle's

23:25location post-shooting. No broader conspiracy has been uncovered, though the investigation continues.

23:30I got into, I was roundly corrected by some and not by others when I pointed out that a 200-year

23:39shot, sorry, a 200-yard shot to me would indicate some sort of professional and people are saying,

23:44nah, 10-year-olds can do that, blah, blah, blah. And then other people who were from military saying

23:48that's actually kind of a tough shot. So the shot required some firearm experience, but was not

23:53extraordinarily difficult for a practice shooter. Robinson family is described by Tyler's high school

23:58friend as a very hard Republican and gun-loving. Photos from family social media show Tyler posing

24:04with guns such as an M2 Browning and a .50 caliber machine gun. So how was he caught? Well, on the

24:11evening of September 11th, 24 hours of change ago, Robinson confessed or implied involvement to his

24:18father after being confronted about matching FBI-released suspect photos. I'm sure you saw the photos of the

24:23guy, skinny guy with a baseball cap and shades and so on. And his father was like, this kind of looks

24:30like you, I think. And so then Robinson confessed or implied involvement to his father. The father

24:35then contacted a family friend, a clergy member or pastor who alerted the Washington County Sheriff's

24:40Office and the FBI. Robinson, the alleged shooter, reportedly threatened suicide rather than surrender,

24:48but was taken into custody peacefully in southwest Utah, wearing clothes matching the shooter's

24:53description. The pastor, the family friend who was also a U.S. Marshals Task Force officer affiliated

24:59with the Washington County Sheriff's Office, advised Matt, the father to keep Tyler in place and then

25:04alerted law enforcement. President Donald Trump confirmed the arrest on Fox News saying,

25:08we have him. Charges. So far, felony counts of aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm

25:16causing serious bodily harm and obstruction of justice. Utah officials, including Governor

25:21Spencer Cox, plan to pursue the death penalty. Federal charges may be added. His first court

25:29appearance is expected on September 16th, 2025, four days from now. Is it true? I read somewhere,

25:36I don't know if it's true, but is it true that Utah still has death by firing squad? I wonder. Could

25:43be. All right. So the FBI raided Robinson's family home on September 12th. That's today. Discord stated

25:49that his account showed no evidence of planning violence with references to the shooting occurring

25:53after the fact with a roommate. Some online theories question the lone actor narrative, e.g. citing

25:59event security anomalies or backwards rifle scope claims, but officials maintain it's a solo act

26:04with no additional arrests expected. There was, of course, also people on X who said, well, this plane

26:10left from a close airfield an hour after the shooting and then turned off its GPS locator and

26:15its broadcasts and blah, blah, blah. Again, who knows, right? I mean, I don't think it's related to

26:20this, but that certainly did seem a bit sus. So there's a lot of debate about this. So, of course,

26:29Kirk's organization and allies, including President Trump, have mourned him as a key MAGA voice.

26:33Vigils calls for honors like lying in state. The investigation remains active, but evidence

26:39strongly ties Robinson to the crime. So, let me just pause here. Somebody says, Utah uses firing

26:51squads. Yes, the only state that does. It should be done publicly since Charlie died publicly.

26:55Interesting. Interesting. All right. Okay. So, let us continue on with this.

27:05So, family statements about Tyler Robinson's political engagement of views primarily come

27:09from information shared with investigators, as relayed by Utah Governor Spencer Cox during

27:13press conferences. These details were reported across multiple news outlets. In addition to the

27:18above details, there are reports of the following. A news report from The Guardian, if accurate,

27:23indicates Tyler was moving hard to the left around sophomore year in high school. I think that's

27:29grade 10, right? Suspect's high school friend says Robinson was the only leftist in a family of

27:36very hard Republicans. Now, let me shock and appall everyone. As per usual, you can check out my

27:43Bomb in the Brain series. You can also check out Gene Wars, G-E-N-E Wars. To some degree,

27:49to some degree, political affiliation is genetic. To some degree, political affiliation is genetic.

28:00The correlation, of course, is not massively high, but it certainly is there. And they've

28:04done this with twin studies. They've done this with a wide variety of genetic analyses and so on.

28:09So, it certainly is possible that somebody with a bent to be a leftist is born into a family of

28:17Republicans. That's a challenge. That is a significant challenge. And I wouldn't immediately

28:25blame the parents for the leftism if he has a predisposition towards leftism. And I mean, I hate

28:33to be cliched. But patterns are patterns, and we try to recognize them because we want to

28:38thrive, survive, and not die. So, he was ridiculously skinny, had arms that made David Hogg look like

28:48Arnold Schwarzenegger, and looked about as low T as you can get. He would factor so low T that he

28:53probably would have been evicted from an English tea shop. So, my guess would be, as a physically

29:03weak person, that there's no particular example of sports, and he did not look like he could lift

29:09a teacup, let alone throw a football. So, you can normally tell people who are engaged or involved

29:17with sports, because they tend to have a sort of physical robustness to them, a sturdiness to them.

29:21And again, I'm just looking at photos. I looked at the photos, I'm like, I can't look at this too

29:26long, or I'm going to lose my chest here. And my voice is going to get... Anyway, so,

29:32if he was low T, if he was not physically strong, which he obviously doesn't appear to have been,

29:40then he would be more likely to be consensus-based, which means he would be more likely to be

29:44susceptible to the propaganda roaming around. And again, this is why, you know, when I came back to X,

29:50I'm like, go lift yourself. Like, you don't even know who you are if you don't lift,

29:55because you are just a consensus-based life form. And the more you exercise, the more you lift,

29:59the more physically strong you get, the more rightward your views tend to go or to get.

30:07So, that's just a complete aside, but don't necessarily blame the family entirely for like,

30:13gosh, if you guys are such robust Republicans, how'd you end up with this leftist kid if that's

30:17what happened? It can happen just... You know, like, I've known families where there's nobody in

30:25the family who has any musical talent whatsoever. And then you get a kid who can pick up piano like

30:31that, who's got perfect pitch, a nice singing voice, and they just play. And it's a scattershot,

30:39right? It's a scattershot with genetics. So, just remember that as a whole.

30:46So, in a phone interview on Friday, today, one of Tyler Robinson's high school friends who asked

30:51to remain anonymous said that the suspect, but his name is actually... No, I'm just kidding.

30:55But he said the suspect was, quote, pretty left on everything, and was, quote,

31:00the only member of his family that was really leftist. The rest of his family was very hard

31:05Republican, the friend said. Around sophomore year, that friend said, Robinson became more

31:11extreme in his political views and would, quote, always be just ranting and arguing about them.

31:17The friend says that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that

31:20the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2. That's a video game,

31:27I think, is an online shooter. And according to at least one young person that I know,

31:33it's kind of a rage bait because everyone in there is like pro gamers who just snipe you as

31:37soon as you spawn or something like that. So, he said that the arrows specifically that were on the

31:42bullet engravings were in reference to calling in a big bomb that exists in the game called the

31:46500 kilogram. When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. Quote,

31:52I knew he, Robinson, had strong political views, but I never thought he'd even go near that far.

31:59The friend said that he had not spoken to Robinson in years, began to drift apart towards the end

32:03of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend

32:06and Robinson were close in school and would play video games. So, as we mentioned during a recent

32:13family dinner prior to the incident, Robinson brought up Charlie Kirk's upcoming speaking

32:16event at Utah Valley University expressing very negative views about Charlie Kirk. Now,

32:23one of the things that Charlie Kirk was heavily criticized for was that his view, which is

32:32biblically consistent with the existence of the soul and the innocence of the fetus,

32:37that even the victim of rape must bring the child to term and was challenged about, well,

32:43even if it's your own kid or whatever it is. And so, that was considered to be pretty wild. Now,

32:49of course, he has no power to affect that whatsoever. But that is, of course, the sacrament to the left

32:59is the right to kill your own fetus. And so, that would, I think, be considered quite radical for

33:04a lot of people. So, after the shooting, again, I just want to go over this once more,

33:12confessed or implied involvement to a family member goes to the clergy member who alerts authorities,

33:19and that's what happens. A neighbor noted the incident, quote, shocked the crap out of me and said,

33:24I didn't think he would have done this, but did not provide specifics on his politics.

33:28There is no publicly available information indicating whether Tyler Robinson was on

33:35psychiatric medication. Because, of course, for me, at least, when these sorts of shootings occur,

33:41because remember, there was this whole thing where we've solved the problem of mental illness

33:44with all of these psychotropic drugs and SSRIs and so on, yet it doesn't seem to have solved it at

33:52all. In fact, mental health, in many ways, is getting worse. So, there is no details about that.

34:00So, several other statements from friends, former classmates, and close associates have emerged in

34:05media reports following the arrest today. These accounts, drawn from interviews conducted by

34:09outlets like ABC News, the New York Post, and others, paint a picture of Robinson as generally reserved

34:15apolitical in its earlier years with a noticeable shift towards more vocal political views in recent

34:20times. No statements indicate prior violent tendencies, and many express disbelief at the

34:26allegations. So, a former classmate from Utah State University from 2021, a classmate who knew

34:34Robinson during his single semester at Utah State University, as far as I know, there's no

34:38explanations to why he left, at least we've not heard that yet, was stunned to hear of the shooting.

34:44This classmate described Robinson as, quote, friendly, but a little more reserved, noting that they

34:50quote, never really heard him talk political. This classmate emphasized that Robinson seemed like an

34:55ordinary student focused on his pre-engineering studies with no signs of extremism. So, that begs the

35:02question, what happened? What happened? How was he radicalized? That's a really, really important

35:14question. I mean, I was on the cover of the New York Times for radicalizing a listener of mine into

35:20getting a girlfriend, going to church, and getting a job. That was radical, right? I was accused of all

35:26kinds of terrible things. And so, I mean, clearly, the media cares about how someone gets radicalized,

35:33and I don't know that they'll be quite as interested in this one, for sort of obvious reasons.

35:38So, high school acquaintance from Pineview High School class of 2021

35:43said Robinson was, quote, quiet and kept to himself during high school, but was known as a good kid

35:50who earned college credits through dual enrollment at Utah Tech University. They added that he wasn't

35:56overtly political back then, describing him as someone who got along with everyone and showed no

36:02red flags. This person who knew him back then was, quote, incomplete shock, saying, quote,

36:07he was the last person I think would do something like this.

36:12Yeah, someone who got along with everyone, that indicates to me personality absence. And,

36:17you know, the people who feel that they don't have much of a defined personality,

36:24much of a strong sense of self, they are kind of easily impressionable. You know, like if you've

36:31ever worked with clay, right? Clay, when it's kind of soft, doesn't really have an identity,

36:35but you can put your identity on it. When the clay is hardened, you can't change it after that without

36:39breaking it, right? So, you know, when it's kind of quiet, reserved, got along with everyone,

36:43kind of nondescript, you know, didn't really stand out, didn't really know who he was,

36:48that's somebody who is kind of, to me, lacking some sort of core identity or being or presence.

36:54And that, to me, is someone who's thirsting for a cause, thirsting for an identity, thirsting for

37:04a purpose. And that's somebody who probably is a little bit easier to impress or radicalize in this

37:13kind of way. So, a youth pastor close to the Robinson family who assisted in the arrest after

37:23Robinson's father contacted him told CBS News that Robinson had been, quote, struggling with his beliefs

37:28in recent years, particularly after exposure to online communities. The pastor described him as, quote,

37:35a good young man from a strong family who had, quote, lost his way politically, but was not inherently

37:41hateful until recently. He emphasized the family's role in turning him in, saying, quote,

37:46they did what was right, even though it broke their hearts. That's rough, man. And, you know,

37:52I mean, of course, the father, I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, what do I know about Utah law? But I

37:57would imagine that there would be some legal exposure to being an accomplice or a participant

38:04somehow, if you knew all of this stuff, but didn't turn him in, that could get you in some sort of

38:08trouble as well. There was a hundred thousand dollar reward, but of course, the father is not

38:14taking it, as far as I can understand. But yeah, imagine making that call, knowing that your state

38:21has the death penalty. That's rough. That's rough. There's no publicly available information or reports

38:31indicating that Tyler Robinson was bullied in school. There's no public information about how

38:36Matt Robinson and his wife, Amber Jones Robinson disciplined Tyler Robinson. There is some

38:42indication or some reports that, or some Facebook posts, I think it was, or some online social media

38:51posts, which I think the mom said, oh, I can't decide if I love him or want to kill him on a daily

38:58basis or something like that. I don't know if that's frustration. I don't know if that means anything,

39:02but we'll sort of find out as time goes forward. A spiteful mutant. Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

39:15I disagree that politics is genetic. My mother is like Joy Behar-Light, complete opposite of me

39:19and her father. I don't know what that means. Oh, what's his mom's profession? From what I've read,

39:27and I'm, again, this is all very tentative stuff, but I think his mother is a social worker. Social

39:35workers, particularly female social workers, are notoriously leftist, but again, we don't have any

39:40particular confirmation of that. So again, whether this is true or not, it's all speculation. No

39:47particular, no particular proof. Yeah, somebody says, I've never liked people to get on with everyone.

39:56You can never trust them as their opinions depend on who is in the room with them. Okay, so that's

40:02the alleged shooter. And now the question is, why was Charlie Kirk shot? So people say it's about

40:18politics, but politics has always been around. Why do people resort to violence in the realm of

40:27politics? Well, let's play this out, right? So let's say that Charlie Kirk became very powerful

40:37in the realm, he already was, but even more powerful in the realm of politics. And let's say

40:41that as a result of Charlie Kirk's work, Charlie Kirk becomes vice president, he becomes president,

40:46and let's say he builds enough of a heap in a sort of alternate universe timeline where he wasn't

40:52brutally executed, that he gets his way. And the borders are secure, and government shrinks by,

41:02I'm just guessing here, I don't know what he would want, 75%, whatever, 80%, 60%. The welfare state is

41:08replaced by private charity, there's more homeschooling, less government education,

41:12and I don't know what his policies were as a whole, but this is sort of general small government

41:17stuff, right? Well, what that means, of course, is that trillions of dollars aren't going to people

41:26anymore. Charlie Kirk was not a big fan of lots of foreign wars and engagements and interventions,

41:33trillions of dollars aren't going into the military industrial complex over time. Let's say he

41:37shrank the welfare state, trillions of dollars not going to the board. Let's say that he was able

41:43to give people a tax credit so that they could homeschool and not have to fund government schools,

41:48then, you know, tens of millions of kids are dumped out of government schools, you know,

41:52thousands of teachers lose their jobs, and you name it, right? So, if Charlie Kirk got his way,

42:00tens of millions of people are not getting their free shit anymore.

42:12People kill for 50 bucks. Junkies, right? People want their free stuff.

42:18People want their free stuff. And if you stand between the free stuff addict and his or her free

42:31stuff, you get an addict-sized hole where your midriff should be. So, people want their free

42:37stuff. And, of course, there's all these questions about tolerance. We've got to be a more tolerant

42:42society. It's like, no, no, no, no. A state of society like America with a government that large

42:47is not tolerant. By definition, it can't be tolerant. So, let's say that

42:52you think that the welfare state is not the way to help poor, to help the poor, and you'd rather

42:59private charity or getting personally involved or something like that. Too bad! You pay or you go

43:05to jail. It's not tolerant. It's the one way to do it. Government welfare doesn't work. It's terrible

43:10for the poor. It doesn't matter. Let's say you would rather have a health care system where people

43:15get paid to prevent illness rather than just endlessly treat and cure it, which is the exact

43:21wrong incentives that you'd want for a health care system. Nope! Too bad! You've got to pay the taxes.

43:27You can't have an alternate solution. Let's say that you don't think that the government is very

43:31good at educating children, particularly if you have a young boy. Too bad! You've got to pay for it

43:37anyway. There's no tolerance. When people go directly to the government to solve every conceivable

43:42problem, they're setting up a situation of coercive intolerance that is pretty hard to find a second

43:50to. Any problem you have, run to the government, pass the law, throw people in jail who disagree,

43:58who disobey, who think they want to do something different. Can't have that.

44:02Can't have that. Government is an agency of coercion. It's called fiat currency. Fiat means by coercive

44:12decree. Do you think that maybe you shouldn't have to spend, you know, eight plus years and then a bunch

44:25of 80-hour work weeks to become a doctor? Nope! Can't practice medicine. Can't do it without that government piece of paper.

44:37I mean, honestly, it goes on and on.

44:42And it's funny because you have here, I'm not criticizing the family, I'm just sort of pointing out that you have

44:49people who are

44:50Republicans

44:52and they both work for the government.

44:55I think the dad now runs a private company, but for a 27-year veteran means he worked for the government for 27 years.

45:02Enforcing laws that I'm sure were not super constitutional that he may not have agreed with, but he'll get paid and do it

45:08anyway. The mother's a social worker, that's government. So, you know, it's kind of tough to say, well, there's small government

45:13people and they all work for the government.

45:18Maybe, maybe you don't believe

45:19that the richest generation

45:22in the history of the planet, the boomers,

45:24should

45:25jugular-like, attach themselves like a

45:27bunch of wrinkled vampire bats to the necks of the young

45:30and bleed them dry

45:31for their retirement benefits.

45:34Maybe you don't think that's too bad!

45:36You can't tolerate that, can't tolerate

45:38any other possibilities, you gotta pay for it

45:40or you go to jail. And if you resist,

45:42well, laws, all laws about

45:45you comply

45:46and if

45:49you don't comply, they escalate until you comply or die.

45:53That's just a fact.

45:57That's just a fact.

46:02That's just the reality.

46:06So,

46:07why was he killed? Because

46:09people want their free stuff and

46:11free market people interfere with free stuff

46:13and people are addicted

46:15and I say this

46:17in the most profound

46:18way that I can.

46:20People are addicted

46:21to free stuff.

46:23Of course, I know it's not free,

46:24nothing's free, I get all of that,

46:26but people are addicted to free stuff.

46:27And I'm not just talking the poor,

46:30the rich as well.

46:32I mean, traditionally, society

46:33has been a few people at the top

46:35and then a whole bunch of people at the bottom.

46:36Marxism, of course,

46:39saw the rising bourgeoisie,

46:41the middle class,

46:41and viewed them as the particular enemy.

46:49And, of course,

46:50Marx predicted that

46:51with the rise of capitalism,

46:53the bourgeoisie, the middle class,

46:54was going to vanish and disappear,

46:55but the middle class

46:55is the mark of a healthy society,

46:58having a middle class.

46:59Because the middle class

47:00are not so rich that they have the ear

47:01of the government

47:02and not so poor that they get

47:03a bunch of government benefits.

47:05So they are the ballast

47:07that tries to keep government from growing.

47:10This is why

47:10the leftists hate the middle class

47:15more than anything.

47:17Because the leftists can co-opt the wealthy.

47:21And they can buy the allegiance of the poor

47:23with free stuff.

47:24But the middle class,

47:25eh, you know,

47:26this is one of the reasons

47:26why under COVID,

47:27the big box stores,

47:28the big corporate stores

47:29were allowed to function

47:30and the poor were given free checks,

47:32but the cell phone,

47:33middle class,

47:34small businesses,

47:35bam, smashed into atoms.

47:39Smashed into atoms.

47:42The traditional enemy

47:43of larger and larger government

47:47are Christians

47:48and small business owners,

47:51the bourgeoisie,

47:51the middle class,

47:52and so on.

47:53Those rich enough

47:53to have to be forced

47:54to fund everything.

47:55Because, I mean,

47:55the wealthy can, you know,

47:56buy their politicians

47:57and get preferential legislation

47:59and, you know,

48:00they got the ear

48:01of whoever they need to

48:02because they can donate

48:03a massive amount.

48:04And then the poor

48:05are just, you know,

48:06bread and circuses.

48:06You just give them

48:07a bunch of free entertainment

48:08and free money

48:11and they're fine.

48:12But the middle class,

48:13the middle class,

48:14the bourgeoisie,

48:15the cool acts,

48:17what they were called, right,

48:18they are the ones

48:19who traditionally want

48:20smaller and smaller government.

48:21The rich, of course,

48:22they don't mind

48:23regulatory overload

48:25because they can afford,

48:26you know,

48:26entire floors

48:27of regulatory lawyers

48:29to make sure that,

48:30but the red tape

48:31and the regulations

48:32really bury

48:33the small to medium businesses.

48:35And so,

48:36additional complexity

48:37in the realm

48:38of law and regulations,

48:39obviously the regulations

48:40growing like crazy

48:41in Western countries,

48:43the rich are fine with that,

48:44the big corporations

48:45are fine with that.

48:46They can often get exemptions

48:47and they can afford the lawyers

48:48to try and get compliance.

48:51And, of course,

48:52if you are a big corporation

48:55and you're on the left,

48:58then you'll be forgiven

48:58a lot of transgressions.

49:00If you're not,

49:00probably not, right?

49:02Either big or on the left.

49:04So, yeah,

49:05people,

49:06they want their free stuff,

49:10they want the power,

49:12and if you are

49:14someone like Charlie Kirk

49:15who is really focusing

49:18on reducing the size

49:19and power of the government,

49:20Christians want

49:22smaller government

49:22as a whole in the West

49:23because you need

49:24to have free will

49:25in order to be virtuous

49:26and if you are coerced

49:29into doing something,

49:31right,

49:31then it's not a virtue,

49:32right?

49:33This is why Christians

49:33tend to oppose

49:34the welfare state

49:35because it's coerced virtues.

49:38And if you force someone

49:40to be good,

49:40they're not good.

49:42And so,

49:43because Christians

49:44want to pursue virtue,

49:45they resist government power

49:47as a barrier

49:48to freely chosen virtues.

49:52So,

49:54Charlie Kirk

49:58and people like him

49:59represent the withdrawal

50:04of the most dangerous drug

50:05in the world,

50:06which is fiat currency,

50:08deficits,

50:10debt,

50:10unfunded liabilities,

50:11all of that murky extract

50:15from the future ghost violence

50:17that has the government

50:19appear to be providing value

50:21because they print money,

50:22right?

50:22They print money

50:23and they appear

50:25to be providing value.

50:27And the bill comes later

50:28and particularly towards the poor.

50:31Like,

50:31you know,

50:31Marx was supposed to be

50:32this big defender

50:33of the workers,

50:33but he never really talked

50:34about inflation,

50:35even though he studied

50:36the French Revolution extensively,

50:38which was a huge

50:39horrible inflation.

50:40I got a whole

50:40show about this.

50:43So,

50:44he didn't care.

50:45He didn't care.

50:51So,

50:52it remains to be seen

50:53who

50:55radicalized

50:56this young man.

50:57I wouldn't necessarily

51:02put it on the parents

51:03to be able to solve

51:05this kind of stuff.

51:06I don't know.

51:08I mean,

51:09we're probably not,

51:10people don't even think

51:11to ask about this

51:13kind of stuff

51:14in general.

51:15The media certainly doesn't

51:16as a whole.

51:17So,

51:18I don't know that we'll find out

51:19much about the parenting

51:19or what was done.

51:21But,

51:22if this kid was spiraling

51:23into

51:24murderous

51:25political

51:25rage

51:26who was feeling it,

51:29who was engaging it,

51:30who was egging him on,

51:31if anyone,

51:31it's hard to imagine.

51:33You know,

51:33this is the,

51:34you know,

51:35the toaster sex

51:35problem.

51:36I'll just go over it briefly.

51:38I have a demonstration

51:39toaster here.

51:40No,

51:40I don't.

51:41But,

51:41so the toaster sex problem

51:43is,

51:44you know,

51:44some guy wakes up

51:45and he's like,

51:46you know,

51:46that,

51:47that toaster looks really

51:49sexy in this light,

51:50in the pink dawn light.

51:51It looks really hot.

51:53Maybe I should have sex

51:54with the toaster.

51:54And you're like,

51:55oh God,

51:55that's crazy,

51:56right?

51:56And then you,

51:57you sort of put the idea aside

51:58as like,

51:59that's nuts,

52:00right?

52:03And that's how it used to be.

52:04And eventually you just

52:05stop thinking about

52:06the sexiness of that,

52:07that toaster over there.

52:09But the problem is now

52:10you can go on,

52:12you know,

52:13r slash

52:14sex with toasters

52:15and maybe there's only

52:16500 people

52:18on the entire planet

52:19who want to have sex

52:20with their toasters,

52:21but they're all there.

52:23And then you're like,

52:24instead of being like,

52:25well,

52:25that's crazy,

52:26I should,

52:26that's rather a nutty idea,

52:28right?

52:28Instead of doing that,

52:30you go on,

52:30log on every day

52:31and all these people,

52:32oh yeah,

52:32look at this sexy toaster,

52:33this guy's really sexy,

52:35hey,

52:35you know,

52:35people just don't understand us

52:37and,

52:37you know,

52:37we're blah,

52:38blah,

52:38right?

52:38And then you're trapped

52:42in sex with toasters land

52:46and you never denormalize it

52:48because your brain doesn't know

52:50that there's only 500 people

52:51on the whole planet.

52:52Your brain is like,

52:53well,

52:53we're surrounded by people

52:54who want to have sex

52:55with toasters.

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