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00:00Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Katie Pavlich, Harold Ford Jr.,
00:07Brian Kilmeade, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five.
00:20President Trump just spoke to reporters on the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
00:25and we will have that video for you shortly, and we'll bring it to you in full.
00:29And this comes amid rapid developments in the manhunt for the suspect.
00:33Right now, FBI Director Cash Patel and his deputy, Dan Bongino, are headed to the scene in Utah,
00:39where officials are expected to hold a news conference. The FBI is offering a $100,000
00:45reward for this person of interest that you can see right there on your screen. Let's go to Matt
00:51Finn. He's in Utah with the latest. Hi, Matt. Hi, Dana. Earlier this afternoon, we were preparing
00:58for a news conference on the ground here, and then it was suddenly canceled, and our understanding
01:03is that is, at least in part, because of Bongino and Patel being on their way here.
01:08Law enforcement said earlier today that they were trying to use technology to identify Charlie Kirk's
01:13killer on video, but then they did turn to the public and ask for help as well, releasing two
01:18screen grabs of a person of interest and offering that $100,000 reward. Police say the suspect appeared
01:24to be college-aged and blended in on campus here. And if you look at the photo of the person of
01:30interest, it appears that that person has a long, dark shirt, which lines up with eyewitness accounts,
01:36video, and even dispatch audio, which described the suspect as wearing dark clothing. Now,
01:42no apparent gloves, at least in the screen grabs, that we can see. So anything the suspect may have
01:47touched could have left behind DNA or fingerprints. Today, law enforcement announced they recovered a high-powered
01:54bolt-action rifle in a wooded area where they believed the shooter had fled.
01:59Through all that work last night, we were able to make a few breakthroughs. We were able to track
02:06the movements of the shooter. We have recovered what we believe is the weapon that was used in
02:11yesterday's shooting. It's a high-powered bolt-action rifle. Suspect blended in well with a college
02:18institution. We're not releasing many details right now, and we will soon. But right now,
02:25we're not. But that individual appears to be of college age.
02:31And on the ground here at Utah Valley College, the white tent that Charlie Kirk was inside of,
02:36now a morbid and infamous symbol. As a part of his prove-me-wrong table, still standing on the
02:43campus. We will keep you updated on the Patel and Bongino visit here in Utah. Back to you guys.
02:48Matt Finn, thank you so much. And we are working on getting that tape for you of President Trump.
02:53We'll bring it to you soon. But in the meantime, let's get some comments. Let's start with Katie
02:57Pavlich, because Katie, it's wonderful to have you here on the show today. It is interesting to me to
03:03think, to have known you for as long as I have, and then to realize that you actually knew Charlie
03:08are going way back. And he's been a real important part of your life for many, many years.
03:13Yeah. Charlie's a little bit younger than I am, but we started our careers essentially at the same
03:17time because I went to college. Maybe that was a mistake. And he decided to graduate high school
03:22and go right into conservative activism and build something himself. And I had the privilege of knowing
03:29him since 2013. He was always reaching out to new people, wanting to develop relationships. And we
03:35kept in touch over the years. And on election night of 2024, I texted him and said, congratulations,
03:41Charlie, on one of the greatest political comebacks of all time. He was a friend of many people. I know
03:47we're going to talk about his legacy and what people are saying about him later in the show. But it's
03:52been very nice to see on the channel all day and on social media and elsewhere in the conservative
03:57movement, people's tributes to him, because a lot of people were friends with him. And he touched
04:02millions of people in ways that we won't know the full effect of that for many years to come.
04:10I do want to talk about this, the shooter that is on the run. This person is a coward. This person
04:18is a loser. People like this do things like this because they are weak and pathetic. And there are
04:25far too many of them that are out in the country and the world trying to harm innocent people.
04:30He didn't have the courage to use words to fight Charlie Kirk. He instead decided to use a gun with
04:37a bullet and run away. But the FBI is looking for him. It's a little disappointing. They haven't found
04:43him yet, but I know everybody's working really hard to find him. And when I listened to the president
04:47last night in the video he released from him in the Oval Office, and he said, quote,
04:52my administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to
04:56other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it.
05:01He is tired of this. The country is tired of this. And a lot of this organizing of this violent
05:08political terrorism is going to come to an end. And I think they're lashing out because they know that.
05:14And I hope it doesn't get worse before it gets better. But the president has vowed to end it,
05:19and he's usually a man of his word. Greg, while we wait to get this tape from the president,
05:23we understand from Matt Finn that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, they're headed to Utah. And maybe that's
05:29because they have more information or they need to be on the scene in order to figure out what's going
05:33on. Yeah. I don't like commenting on this stuff because it's fog of war. And you say one thing,
05:39it turns out to be false. You don't want to feed into a rumor, things you hear. So I'm going to stick
05:44to just talking about Charlie and how we got here and where we're going. In sports, you know I'm a
05:51jock, Dana. Yeah. It's really tiresome, all the sports you talk about. When a player on another
05:57team trashes your team in the press, it fires up your team. Coaches call it bulletin board material.
06:03They put it on the board. You see it. It gets you fired up. Charlie's assassination is our
06:09bulletin board material. If you want to kill an idea, the worst thing you can do
06:14is kill the guy behind it. Because it gives the idea legs and wings and millions of resilient
06:20voices, which are ours and the people at home. I do believe there is causation from news to outcome.
06:27If you subtract the media's influence, this wouldn't have happened.
06:31I think you could say the same for Scalise, Trump's near assassinations, Tesla owners attacked,
06:36IRS agents, I mean, sorry, ICE agents attacked, Jewish students attacked, Raleigh Gaines cornered
06:41on a campus. Causation. Calling people evil bigots and Nazis does put targets on their back.
06:51And this is why you're seeing on social media so many people celebrating, even if you're not even
06:55looking for it, it's there. And I don't call them evil. I call them hypnotized. They were brainwashed.
07:02And the way that you're brainwashed somebody is through repetition. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, fascist,
07:10fascist, fascist. That's how you're brainwashed. So it's, it's, it's almost like shouldn't be
07:15surprising that these things happen. And what scares me, and there's going to be a change in
07:20the way we live. You know, we have a simple ethos in America, live and let live. The problem with
07:25that ethos, you got Trump? 30 seconds. Oh, okay. 30. The problem with that ethos, it makes us
07:31vulnerable to those who disagree with the ethos. Our freedoms allow for our destruction. It's no
07:37longer going to be live and let live. It's going to be live and let live, but only indoors with a
07:42metal detector. It's almost like those soft targets that we talked about before. Yeah. Now that might be
07:48more of a reality. President Donald Trump spoke to reporters. Let's listen. Not really. I'm really
07:57concerned for our country. We have a great country. We have a radical left group of lunatics out there,
08:05just absolute lunatics. And we're going to get that problem solved. I'm only concerned for the
08:10country. Yeah. Mr. President, how do you want to see your supporters respond to this Charlie
08:17Kirk was a big advocate of nonviolence and free speech on campus? How do you want your supporters
08:22response? I think that way he was. He was an advocate of nonviolence. That's the way I'd like
08:27to see people respond. Say it. I did. I spoke to Erica, his wife. And we had a long talk and she's
08:38devastated. She's absolutely devastated, as you can imagine. Are you concerned?
08:47I don't know what you're saying.
08:57Mr. President, when, Mr. President, are you planning to bring both presidents, the president
09:05of Congo, and president of Rwanda? They're coming soon. They're coming soon. And as you know,
09:13I spoke to their foreign ministers, they were here a couple of weeks ago, as you remember.
09:17And they'll be coming soon. The presidents are coming very soon.
09:21This week, Mr. President, I witnessed more than 60 people in DRC Congo were killed.
09:29There is people affiliated with ISIS. Terrorist groups are taking advantage because of the situation
09:36going on, because of the war. So what is your word for Congolese people?
09:40Well, we're going to be talking to them. As you know, we are talking to them. It's a very
09:44violent place. It's very, very violent. For a long time, it's been going on for 30 years,
09:4935 years, even, they say. But we're going to handle it. Thank you.
09:53I can't understand. What do you think about the media that justified the murder of Charlie
10:09Kirk? I think it's terrible. They're going to be ashamed of themselves. It's terrible.
10:13Why haven't they found the shooter yet, Mr. President? Are you concerned that it's been 24 hours?
10:21Well, I hear they're making big progress, and we'll have to see what happens.
10:24Do you have any indication of the shooter's motivation, sir?
10:28Uh, I have an indication, yeah, but we'll let you know about that later.
10:33I think you spoke with Uzbekistan, the President. Last Sunday, you sent greetings to Kazakhstan.
10:43U.N. General Assembly is upcoming. Are you going to meet with the presidents of Central Asian
10:48countries?
10:48President where?
10:49Central Asian countries, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan.
10:52I will be, yeah. They're very good people, and I will be doing that, yes.
10:55Do you believe that Keller was a trained assassin? Do you believe that Keller was a trained assassin?
11:00Usually your instinct for all this odd.
11:03I'd rather not say. I think progress is being made. He's an animal, total animal. And hopefully
11:10they'll have him, and they'll get him. What he did is disgraceful. Charlie Kirk was a great
11:15person, a great man, great in every way, especially with youth. And what he did, what
11:21this man did was disgraceful. So hopefully we'll have him, and we will deal with him very
11:26appropriately.
11:29What's your reaction to Russian drone incursion into Poland?
11:34Uh, could have been a mistake. Could have been a mistake. But regardless, I'm not happy
11:39about anything having to do with that whole situation. But hopefully it's going to come
11:44to an end.
11:44Mr. President, in Brazil, in Brazil, Bolsonaro was just found guilty by the Supreme Court.
11:49You've been very clear that you would apply sanctions. Are you thinking further sanctions
11:53to Brazil because of this, Bolsonaro?
11:55Well, I watched that trial. I know him pretty well, foreign leader. He was a good, I thought
12:01he was a good president of Brazil. And it's very surprising that that could happen. That's
12:06very much like they tried to do with me, but they didn't get aware with it at all. But
12:11I can always say this. I knew him as president of Brazil. He was a good man. And I don't
12:18see that happen.
12:19Mr. President, first of all, I'm very sorry for your loss, for everybody's loss. I'm very
12:23sorry for your loss, first of all. How do you think Israel's attack in Doha will affect
12:28the hostage deal?
12:30Well, hopefully it won't affect it at all. We want the hostages out. And we want them
12:45out soon. Hopefully it won't affect them.
12:46I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the Trumps. They've just started
13:02construction of the people all over the White House, which is something they've been trying
13:07to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. It'll be an
13:14absolute and magnificent construction. And I guess we all have trucks. We just started.
13:17So it'll get done very nicely. And it'll be one of the best anywhere in the world, actually.
13:26All right. Obviously, that was President Trump just now, unscripted, taking questions from
13:32the whole world. The urgent manhunt still underway for Charlie Kirk's assassin. We can
13:37have an answer to who did it. We certainly have a photo. This is the photo we've all been
13:41looking at all day. It was delayed to be released. It caught everybody by surprise. Why delay
13:45it? But the person of interest, you're looking at him. They are offering $100,000 for his
13:50capture. Meanwhile, we continue to mourn the loss of a husband, of a dad, two young children
13:58and a generational talent, Charlie Kirk, powerful voice who never shied away from respectful
14:03debates. There's more people that agree with me than some people would actually believe.
14:10And they come out of the woodwork. When I do stuff like this, we record all of it so that
14:13we put on the Internet so people can see these ideas collide. People stop talking. That's when
14:18you get violence. That's when civil war happens because you start to think the other side is
14:22so evil and they lose their shit. Yup. And here he is persuading college kids on campus. Just
14:27listen. Let's think about this more deeply because I can tell you're smart. Are you a
14:32voter? I am a voter. Oh, so I vote and you vote. So I'm talking to voters of this country
14:36that will determine the future of Western civilization. That's where we are on different
14:40planets. And that's okay. I'm not trying to make fun of you. I'm trying to be graceful
14:44in the way that we're going about this. Pancakes or waffles? Oh, pancakes all day. 100%.
14:48Oh, Charlie. What's your name? None of your business, unfortunately. Nice to meet you.
14:56None of your business. Thank you. I appreciate it. And that's why some of those videos went
15:01viral because it was unscripted. It was real and it was a legitimate debate. People that
15:05didn't like him lined up to meet him. Harold, this is a page out of the Harold Ford playbook.
15:09I think you like debating people that don't agree with you and you don't get angry and you
15:14listen. And this guy did it with a smile. He did. Look, I'm still moved by all of this like we all
15:24are. And I'm hopeful that we'll be able to come back and maybe before the show is up or before the
15:29night is up, we'll have more details about this guy, this killer. Each political base,
15:36it's interesting, Brian, each political base, the Republican and Democrat, their extremes and
15:40their and the loudest in their party are always urging politicians and those representing them
15:46to fight. Democrats said, you know, we want to fight, fight, fight. Even Republicans want to
15:51fight, fight, fight. No one. Gavin Newsom just say that directly. It's time to punch them in the
15:55mouth. All of them. I'm saying it goes on both sides. I mean, I've watched Senator Mark Wayne
15:59Mullen and Josh Gottenheimer earlier today, both acknowledge that both sides do this. The energy
16:05that we need and what I hear from Charlie and one of the reasons I didn't, I didn't agree with him
16:08very much, at least none of the things he expressed publicly where we did agree. And I think is
16:13indisputable is that we love our country and we just expressed it differently. And I love the fact
16:20that he was willing to have those kinds of conversations with people to your point. You
16:23were nice to say that about me, but you never hear the energy in the base of each of the parties
16:29urging politicians to solve, solve, solve. Everyone wants to fight, fight, fight. And I think one of the
16:36legacies of, and one of the things this guy, this young man will be remembered for, is that he had a
16:42fervor and he had an energy, but he wanted that back and forth. Even if the back and forth got a
16:46little contentious, it was civil and oftentimes very serious. And that's what our political, not only
16:53discourse needs, that's what our political culture needs more of. Every time I listened to him, and I
16:58didn't agree with him very much, but he always seems like he was trying to get to an answer.
17:01And in politics today, I think one of the great failings and shortcomings of our political class
17:06on both sides is that everyone is just trying to settle a score. Everyone will say, I beat you on
17:12that point, on that point, on that point, not remembering or easily forgetting that we represent
17:17people and that they're real people who are going to be impacted by these things. And I hope that those
17:23who celebrate this young man's life over the next several days, and I know the country is going to
17:27celebrate him with the presidential medal of freedom, that that is one of the things that is
17:30thought. That's what I heard from Katie and what I've heard from all around the table. That's this
17:34young man's legacy. And I hope Democrat, Republican alike are able to learn something from it.
17:39Katie, the other thing is he was winning the argument. If you think about, and not until
17:43he passed away after the assassination did I fully realize it, because I was there early. They just
17:47said, this guy, Charlie Kirk, has got this group and you want to speak in front of him. I thought,
17:52okay, I couldn't believe the size of the crowd and how young they were. And they told me about his
17:55movement, but I didn't see much movement in the electorate. It took a couple of election cycles,
18:00but now he's got the majority, but he did it by not having big parties. He had better ideas. And
18:06he made it cool to want to be part of his posse. And he gave everyone, but particularly his mission
18:15was to reach the younger generations, an alternative, a better way to approach their
18:20own American dream. And he was effective. I mean, if you look at the numbers, just in terms of political
18:24issues, Democrats in 2023 had men 18 to 29 years old by 26 points. In 2025, Republicans had that same
18:35group by plus 18. So he was changing hearts and minds on policy issues by offering solutions. He
18:42talked about marriage. He talked about the American dream. He talked about the things you can do to
18:47better your life. And he was brilliant. He didn't go to college. He was constantly going to college
18:54campuses, not just debating, but teaching people so many detailed things about his Christian faith,
18:59about the economy, about world history. He would go to the UK and debate at the Oxford Union on very
19:05serious, deep topics. He was never superficial in any of his discussions with people who agreed with
19:11him or people who disagreed with him. And he tried to offer some clarity, mostly through his faith to
19:17young people who felt like they had none, that they didn't have opportunity in this country. They
19:22didn't know right from wrong. And he's able to do that. And with his attitude towards all of this,
19:28I find it just so admirable because so many people, including me, struggle with it is he was so resolved
19:34in his mission and that everything would be okay. And he walked into the most violent in terms of,
19:43you know, the, the caustic nature of campuses around the country. And he, he walked into them
19:49willingly and he taught, knowing he had a wife and a family and that the threats were there
19:54and having to have security. And he did it anyway, because he believed it would be okay. And eventually
19:59his faith would protect him and it would pay off. And so it's paid off politically. And he is,
20:07he's just, um, touched so many people throughout his time. And, um, obviously it was cut way too
20:14short. Right. And with all this Dana, out of all the tapes I've seen and the sparring sessions that
20:18I witnessed and the interactions, but I'm going to remember is that video that when the cameras went
20:24down and the show was over and his appearance on Fox and friends on the weekend, when I think his two
20:29year old daughter ran up to him, I think she's four, I think that, um, and it was a loving father and
20:35he's, he encouraged and inspired a lot of young men to want to be fathers. If you look at over the
20:39past five years, even how the numbers of young men who are saying, I want to be a dad, I want to be
20:44far, I want to have a commitment. I want to go to church. I want to be a good man. A lot of that,
20:49you can say, okay, wait, if you think about how many followers they had and how fervent they were,
20:52it's so interesting. Plus he was doing something on college campuses that the professors are not doing.
20:57He was providing a forum for civil debate and in a fun way and willing to take any question.
21:04Um, that's not happening in the lecture halls. If the other thing I was thinking about is I mostly
21:09saw him in interviews that he did on cable news. Okay. Now watching all these other videos,
21:15I'm starting to understand more how the younger generation saw him even more intimately, right?
21:20They're watching these videos on Tik TOK, Instagram, Facebook, wherever they were seeing them.
21:24And I think about how they had access to somebody like this in the medium of their time. We had Alex
21:31P Keaton of family ties on NBC. I mean, I was like, Oh, that's a conservative guy. And he was an
21:35outsider. And I was like, that's what it felt like when you were a younger conservative 25 years ago.
21:41And now it is pretty amazing to think that it is a cool thing to be. Um, and I will maybe make this
21:47last point today was going to be heavy no matter what, because it's the anniversary of nine 11,
21:52the 24th anniversary. So on September 11th, 2001, we felt like we could all come together because there
21:59was an enemy that wanted to destroy our way of life that hated the idea of freedom of Western
22:05civilization. And now you get to September 11th of 2025. And it's extra heavy and very chilling
22:14because you think the enemy might be within. And that's a choice. And I feel like America's at this
22:20very fragile state where we could go in either direction. I hope we go in the direction of more
22:26civil debate, but as I find this to be a very scary time, and I hope that they catch this guy quickly
22:32and that we figure out a way to protect others who are out there bravely communicating.
22:37Okay. It sounded grim and very well said. It sounded really grim last night that we're going to catch
22:42this guy at all. I thought there's going to be like the Atlanta bombing. It takes years. Uh,
22:46but the fact that they found the gun, uh, they found the casing, they got the,
22:49they know exactly what happened. There's evidently writing on the casing. Uh, they know he's got blue
22:54jeans and they know he's got that shirt on and those glasses. So hopefully people said, I know that guy.
22:59Um, Greg, uh, you mentioned civil debate, the word you need two sides to be civil.
23:06And I agree with everything Harold said, except both sides. And I'm going to tell you why. And I'll
23:12tell you why, um, you know, the Democrats, they didn't target politicians. They targeted people.
23:24You know, I, I will never forget Joe Biden in Philly in that dark, dark speech, you know, Tesla owners,
23:30they're not politicians. Ice agents aren't politicians. Trump supporters demonized by the
23:34millions. They're not politicians. I mean, Trump went after individual celebrities and names never,
23:41never went after the voter. Um, I'm not saying that the Democrats killed Charlie Kirk. That would be
23:50crazy. I see them more like an absentee parent whose violent offspring did, you know, they knew
23:58that their parenting skills were bad because we've told them about it on this show. We warned
24:04them. That's what, that's what drives me crazy is we warn them about the rhetoric over and over
24:11again, even after attempts on Trump, the Tesla vandals, which are the product of, of the media
24:17and the Democrats direct language about Elon Musk. And they still didn't change their path right now.
24:24A lot of them, and I exclude Harold from this because Harold has always been sincere and legit
24:28from day one. Right now, Democrats are playing catch up. They're saying the right things. They're
24:35like the parents of a mass shooter expressing sympathy for the victims, but they knew they bought
24:41him the guns. Uh, now I just want to, I didn't mean to say that. I want to talk about something that
24:47I noticed about Charlie Kirk that personally means a lot to me. And that is his faith, you know,
24:53from his faith, something amazing, uh, comes from it that I never really understood. You know,
25:00people will say that he's fearless, but what if he wasn't fearless? What if he wasn't, what if he was
25:06doing all of this with a measure of fear? Well, how brave is that? The fact that he's going out there
25:13with the, not he's not fearless at all. And that for me is a lesson in fear and in self doubt that
25:20like, you know, as someone who used to take a drink before doing a live event in front of thousands
25:27or cradling a glass of wine while doing book signings or getting blasted before boarding a
25:34flight, you know, it was a lack of faith in my ability to handle fear. This would be the,
25:41I had to do this thing before I could handle something that scared me. He did something every
25:48day that might've scared him and you couldn't tell. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. I can't, I know,
25:56I know. But to say Democrats, the history of our nation, we regrettably, unfortunately have a
26:00history of violence in American politics. And just as recently as midway, early part of the year,
26:07Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania had his house caught on fire. Yeah. But you don't want
26:11to do the math, Harold's going to lose. That was anti-Semitism. But what I'm saying is,
26:15but to say Democrats, President Trump, who is a friend of mine, has said that Democrats are
26:21terrible. He's talking about the leaders. Your party demonized the voter. And we can't, I mean,
26:27I just, I'm different with you on this. Well, you and I, we're great pals, but I'm different with
26:30you on this. And I think it is, this is not the path we want to go down at this very moment.
26:35That's the only thing I caution everybody. Screw you, Harold, in your face.
26:38I'll tell you, you know, the first one to make MAGA or try to make MAGA a negative word was Joe
26:42Biden. And it didn't work because then they use that word and they rode themselves right to the
26:46White House. Up next, new calls to tone down the heated political rhetoric as some Democrats give
26:52some truly awful takes on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is just my way to go.
26:56Well, some on the left are reacting in downright disgusting ways to Charlie Kirk's assassination.
27:11MSNBC firing Matthew Dowd after he went on air after the shooting and immediately smeared Charlie
27:18Kirk and accused him of pushing hate speech. And Democrats are demanding more gun control
27:24while blaming Trump.
27:30Oh, please. Right. Why don't you start with the president of the United States?
27:36We've seen the January 6th rioters who clearly, you know, have tripped a new era of political
27:48violence. We also need to be honest about it as a nation about where this violence is coming from.
27:53If we want to stop the scourge of violence in this country, we must do our jobs and pass common
28:01sense gun safety reforms in the United States, period.
28:06All right. So we have a distraction talking point back. But Greg, trying to figure out the
28:11situation here, I see two tiers. There's professional left, which is these politicians who are in Capitol
28:16Hill, the media pushing these narratives. And then there's the grassroots foot soldiers who are
28:22kind of carrying out what they're being told. And the question is, how fringe really is this?
28:28The number of people I've seen today who are school teachers, faculty, people in government,
28:35medical field, openly celebrating this brings up other questions about how far this has spread.
28:42Again, I go back to the B word. Maybe I'm brainwashed by Scott Adams. But to me, it's like this is
28:49brainwashing. You know, all of these people have like this mass delusion that they're that
28:56segment of society, people like us are evil. And you see them and you're going like, oh, my God,
29:04what is going on in their heads? And it's all it was through, again, the repetition of specific words.
29:09The gun argument is really silly because, I mean, did they forget Irina? She was stabbed on a
29:15subway. Are you calling for blade control? It doesn't it's like they forget. I think there
29:19was another woman that was just murdered. It wasn't by a gun. I know that Dowd like Dowd got fired. But
29:27you have to remember that MSNBC in places like CNN, they create a comfort zone for this kind of
29:33thinking. And they exploit exploit those who are willing to go the extra mile and say these things.
29:39And a lot of these people are not well. You see them on MSNBC and on CNN. You go, there's something
29:44wrong with them. You look at their eyes or just like, you know, I don't even know what I just did
29:50there. But that was fired because he got noticed, not because of what he said. MSNBC, you know,
29:58again, you go back to thanks to the social media platforms. Probably dad would have gotten away with
30:02it. But I think, you know, he needs help. And going on MSNBC shows you that MSNBC doesn't care
30:10that he needs help. They're just using him. And lastly, just to finish up on your point,
30:15I got to ask where the Democratic Party is. Aside from Harold, there's a huge hole where this party
30:21used to be. And Harold, you are outside the party. You could come in, swoop in and fill that hole.
30:28There needs to be some kind of moral authority there. And it is missing.
30:32Would you like to respond?
30:34I appreciate the kind words. I think, Katie, that the nation is drowning in violence.
30:42We yesterday, there was a shooting in Denver at a school, elementary school or middle school
30:46there. And you had two kids whose parents dropped them at school, could not have had the furthest in
30:54their minds. They were going to get a call a few hours later that one of the daughter was, I think,
30:58in an emergency room in a trauma center. She had a bullet in her head. No one wants that either.
31:04So I don't necessarily agree that I don't agree with Greg and that it's knives, it's guns. But I
31:09admire people who are talking about policy. I don't I don't like people talking about the personal and
31:14the personalities. Greg and I differ a little bit on this. I think there's violence on both sides.
31:19And unfortunately, the rhetoric is encouraging, I think, people to do who don't have, I think,
31:25the kind of maturity that we have around this table. I wish people could see us in commercial
31:30break in the back and forth and the camaraderie. I think it's I think it's important at some point
31:35for the president passed a big, beautiful bill. I wish he'd do a big, beautiful bipartisan summit at
31:40the White House and bring Democrats and Republicans together around things that they agree with.
31:44If you have Marsha Blackburn and Blumenthal from Connecticut who were trying to ensure
31:49that social media companies don't go after young kids with algorithms, it'd be great to bring them
31:53all together. You have Blumenthal again, I think, with Lindsey Graham on a Russia sanctions bill.
31:58If it passes, bring them all together, Mr. President, for the simple, simple reason that the country
32:03needs to see that as much as we disagree sometimes on things between the parties, that there is some
32:10common, some common, not only good, but common sense and common agreement around things that are
32:15big. Well, to be fair, I mean, the president's door is always open. You see people at the White
32:19House all the time who vehemently disagree with him. And Democrats on Capitol Hill seem to be willing
32:23to work with fellow Republicans on the Hill, but they're not willing to work with Trump for the sake
32:28of satisfying their base. But Brian, on this issue of going back to the gun control, I think that
32:34people who have been accused of being Nazis and fascists and who have threats on their lives
32:39constantly aren't really interested in having gun control on them from the people who are accusing
32:45them of those things. So do you think this guy is not going to get a gun? They'll take our guns and
32:50we're going to be susceptible and victims of his as he hopefully will get arrested within the next
32:55hour. Bipartisan, Bill Clinton weighed in for Charlie Kirk, didn't even know we knew Charlie Kirk
32:59existed. Barack Obama weighed in, Joe Biden weighed in, George W. Bush weighed in, so the other side of the
33:05Republican Party, I think that there was a little bit of bipartisanship. But overall, Democrats are
33:11scared right now to do anything with Trump. Chuck Schumer says, I can't shut down the government.
33:17It doesn't make any sense. And they try to get rid of him. And believe me, Chuck Schumer is no
33:21bastion of bipartisanship. He never will be. He doesn't know how. But now they're all in their
33:27corners. They're afraid to talk or deal anything with Trump. But I think the first opportunity
33:30would be immigration. And since the president did the impossible and shut down the border,
33:36we could do things like getting people who have been waiting online doing it the right way and
33:40make it expeditious. People that marry people from other countries. Why are they waiting forever
33:44charging money that they can't afford? Is that a way we're welcoming people from other countries?
33:49I think we could fix things. That would be an opportunity. But ironically, when I brought that up to
33:54Charlie Kirk, I said, Charlie, would you be my first guest? But I tell you, I'm talking about
33:58getting together and immigration. He goes, Brian, I vehemently disagree. There's no way I'm going to
34:02agree with you. It's going to be a great segment. I go, great. I just don't don't don't feel bad
34:07about disagreeing. He goes, I love disagreeing. Yeah. Yeah. Dana. Well, I would look thinking back
34:12to Elizabeth Warren being asked about that question. President Trump says we need to turn
34:16down the rhetoric. Do you agree? And she says, ha ha ha. And I think what what would it have taken for
34:22her to say? I agree. He's right. That's something we can agree on. I'll meet him more than half
34:28way on that and then move on with your day. Like what? Why? Because you want small dollar
34:34donations. You want you don't want to be ostracized from the cool kids table in the Senate
34:38cafeteria. It's preposterous. Then I was also thinking about the real emergency this week
34:44that only 22 percent of seniors in high school in this country, 22 percent, only that amount
34:51can do math at a grade level. Thirty five percent of seniors can actually do reading at a grade
34:55level. That is a national emergency. Can we not get together on that?
34:58In addition to immigration? And nobody wants to talk about it because they just want to
35:01talk about the problems that led to this moment. There are a lot of stops along the way and
35:07on this road to Charlie Kirk getting murdered.
35:10What was Charlie and what was Charlie Kirk talking about about young people was the importance
35:14of raising a family. And you look at the stats of that survey of Kamala Harris voters of women.
35:22They don't want it. They don't want kids. They they they they do. And it's like, well,
35:26that's how a country dies. That's not a patriarchal view. That is a realistic.
35:30And also because because that means that they have a very dim view of the future.
35:33Yeah. Where's the hope and change? Right. Where's the Obama?
35:35So I was thinking and just I know we have to go. And who is the Charlie Kirk of the left?
35:40Because the young people on the left can't stand their elderly leadership.
35:45They don't want any of them. They're threatening to primary them. You have people like Jerry Nadler
35:49deciding not to run again. Chuck Schumer could have a tough primary. He might be able to pull it out.
35:54But the younger people having a revolt. But there isn't a Charlie Kirk on the left that's saying,
35:59let's talk about the ideas. They they're Charlie Kirk on the left, I think, is Zoran Mamdani.
36:04Yep. He's the one that's on TikTok. He's he's got all the energy. He's talking about free tickets to
36:09the World Cup and they're buying it. And that's certainly dangerous. Yes. We need to get Harold
36:14on TikTok. All right. Up next, America remembers 24 years since the 9-11 terror attacks.
36:22America marking 24 years since the 9-11 terror attacks. Nearly 3000 Americans were murdered by
36:35Islamic jihadists. President Trump will be attending a Yankees game later tonight. And
36:39earlier he spoke at the Pentagon. In America, we take blows, but we never buckle. We bleed,
36:47but we do not bow. And we defy the fear, endure the flames and emerge from the crucible of every
36:54hardship, stronger, prouder and greater than ever before. Dana, I always go by this rule. You can
37:04you can always tell how rough a week is when you're doing 9-11 in the D block. Yes, because that means
37:12there's some serious bad stuff that happened this week. But we got through that. And you and I have
37:18been doing the show together for 14 years and that never happened. So I thought a couple of things
37:23were very interesting today. One was that you had Pete Hegseth as the secretary of war, as the first
37:29Pentagon leader who was who joined the military after 9-11. Right. And as part of that generation,
37:38there's many who joined the military, but also the intelligence services. And they felt that call
37:43to action. What America did at that time was surprise Osama bin Laden and say, oh, no, we're
37:49not going to fold. And we took the fight to the enemy. And there that is a generational fight in
37:54terms of a war of ideology. They wanted to destroy our way of life. But radical Islamic terrorism is
38:00still there, but they are much less able to do big attacks like they did that day. And that's a
38:06tribute to everyone there. I did note this from Neil Ferguson, who wrote this in the free press.
38:12This is very chilling. He said it's a long piece, but he basically says it's taken me all these years
38:18to understand that 9-11 really was a clash of civilizations. And it has taken me until this
38:23week, finally, to face the reality that ours is losing. I'm not quite there with him yet, but I can
38:29see where it's where he's headed. And I think that even like the pragmatic optimists amongst us,
38:35of which I might consider myself, I'm feeling pretty heavy today.
38:38Yeah, it goes back to what I said about live and let live. The people we live amongst don't agree.
38:44Harold, you know, in 1970, I was six years old, 29 years before that was Pearl Harbor.
38:52We grew up, I feel like this is the Pearl Harbor to children of like six, seven or eight. That's why
38:58like, how do you keep history alive?
39:02Well, I think technology helps. I think when I was six years old in 1976, it didn't seem like it was
39:09after Vietnam. It was it seemed like we weren't going to go to war. Don't get me wrong. We ejected
39:14Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in the early 90s. And we had incursions, but they were small. You have a
39:19generation that has grown up. You talked about Pete. This is a young man that joined the military
39:22after 9-11. And you have kids that are born over the last 25 years that have grown up essentially
39:27in a war culture. And they view America's role in the world differently than I did when I was
39:34growing up. We have to teach these things. It's it's it's sad. It's terribly sad what we've dealt
39:38with over the last 24 hours. I think this day is always one we want to have and want to give history
39:44lessons about. I used to not enjoy, but it reminded me of how great our country was watching
39:49an extraneous. It was watching those planes because all the shows would go back to live
39:54their today show or their Fox show, what they were doing. I remember where I was on on on
39:599-11. I was in the Capitol dining room. We didn't have these phones. We had beepers and
40:03everybody's beepers start going off. And my dad called me on my cell phone and said, are you near
40:07your TV? I think a private plane has crashed into one of the World Trade Centers. Then a few
40:12minutes later, he called me back. You need to go back to your office. We're under attack. And
40:15everybody's beepers started going off. The press was coming in. It was just a different time. We all got
40:19assigned blackberries after that as a result. You remember that day? A few people had it,
40:24but it was just so we have to teach on this day and hopefully we will continue to. Katie?
40:31Every generation deals with something horrific. Evil persists, but so do we, and we are going
40:36to win. You're here. Brian? We're not losing. I don't think we're losing. You look at the UK
40:41and Ireland and things like that. They have allowed illegal immigrants to come into their country
40:44and take over their culture. We have a president that's not allowing that. If we were going to allow
40:48it, it stopped. I don't know if you've noticed, but we're making sure of that with ICE. And also,
40:52I'm proud of the fact that 24 years later, we're still reading the names. We're still going down
40:56there. We're still ringing the bells. The FDNY is still there. The guys are retired, put their
41:00uniforms on to the women, and they go back and they remember it. I'm thrilled that Trump is doing
41:05what George W. Bush did perfectly. Trump's saying, I'm going back. I'm going to throw the first pitch.
41:10I think he's throwing the first pitch. I'm not sure. At least he'll be at the game.
41:12He'll be at the game. Yeah. All right. Up next, the latest on the manhunt for Charlie Kirk's assassin.
41:22So what do you think?
41:27The manhunt continues at this hour for the suspect who assassinated Charlie Kirk.
41:31Let's go, Charlie Kirk. Let's go right to Griff Jenkins. Griff?
41:35Yeah, Harold. Officials say there are rapid developments in the case, but just moments ago,
41:39telling Fox that still no suspect in custody, which means the shooter is still on the loose
41:44at this hour. FBI Director Kash Patel is due to arrive on scene soon. And just a short while ago,
41:51President Trump weighed in. Listen.
41:54They found the shooter yet, Mr. President. Are you concerned that it's been 24 hours?
41:58Well, I hear they're making big progress and we'll have to see what happens.
42:01Do you have any indication of the shooter motivation, sir?
42:06I have an indication, yeah, but we'll let you know about that later.
42:10And right now, the FBI offering a $100,000 reward for information,
42:14asking the public's help to identify this person. If you recognize him, the FBI wants you to call
42:191-800-CALL-FBI. Now, so far, investigators haven't been able to track the suspect's movements
42:25through stairwells to the roof where they believe the fatal shot was fired. He then appeared to jump
42:30from the building's roof and fled campus. Officials say they have good video images,
42:35footwear and palm impressions, and recovered the alleged gun used, a high-powered bolt-action rifle.
42:41Finally, investigators also looking at what appears to be messages written on both the gun
42:45and ammunition. But the content of the messages, Harold, is unclear. The FBI is not commenting.
42:51We may learn more at a press conference later today. Harold?
42:55Griff, as always, great. Thank you. Our final thoughts, next.
42:59Griff, as always, we'll see you next time.
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43:39We are remembering the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. We're going to get some final thoughts,
43:43and I'm sure you'll have some tonight on your show.
43:44Yeah, we're going to have, you know, we're going to do a fair amount on him. We're going to have
43:48Michael Malice, Kennedy, Tyrus, and Kat. We're going to talk about that tonight.
43:53Awesome. There was one of the videos that I saw today that I thought, I'm going to change my
43:56Starbucks order for the next, maybe for the rest of the year. One of the young people asked him
44:01at the campus, what, you always have Starbucks. What's in, what's in there? What's your order?
44:04And she thought it would be really complicated. No, he wanted, but mint majesty because he would
44:10get a sore throat. So I'm changing. I love a mint tea as well. So everyone may get one of those for
44:15him. Sounds delicious. Katie?
44:16You know, Charlie Kirk believed in strangers and friends more than they believed in themselves and
44:22encouraged them to live a life of purpose. And he was telling people who really need to hear it
44:27that America is a good place and that they should believe in it and pursue a life that was worth
44:34doing. Carol?
44:35We're better when we come together. And Brett Baer, I know he's got something that was common
44:39ground thing tonight. So I hope everybody watches that.
44:41All right. That is it for us. And special report begins now.
44:44Good evening. I'm Brett Baer. Breaking tonight, we're following two major stories during an intensely
44:53solemn moment in America. As we mark this, the 24th anniversary of the September 11th,
45:002001 terror attacks, the nation.
45:14We'll be free for the blue team.
45:34We'll be free for the blue team.
45:38The blue team streak has just been put to an end.
46:00Cover me!
46:08And we'll be free.
46:16And we'll be free.
46:21And how we six-
46:35We'll be free.
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