00:00So, there is a very important aspect that Prime Minister Narendra Modi raised.
00:04He said when India and China move together, it's not just 1.4 billion people, but 2.8 billion people.
00:121.4 billion people of India and 1.4 billion people of China, they move forward together.
00:18And that is why peace and tranquility or good relations between the two countries benefits this entire region.
00:24At the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the effort or the message is the region coming together,
00:32playing a bigger role in global decision making and also benefiting the developing world, the global south.
00:39That's that big message.
00:40Big story coming in.
00:41Prime Minister Narendra Modi, after meeting the Chinese President Xi Jinping,
00:45has also met the leader of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:48Prime Minister Narendra Modi met the Chinese Communist Party leader, Kai Ki, of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:58Now, this is again an effort to take this relationship forward, not just at government to government level,
01:04but political party to political party level, people to people level.
01:08The interaction is with direct flights beginning between India and China, with more trade between the two countries.
01:15The effort is that pluck the low-hanging fruit to improve ties while ensuring that borders remain peaceful.
01:22In fact, that's the point that when a member of the Chinese Politburo and of the Communist Party
01:29and Foreign Minister of China, Wang Yi, also Special Representative on the boundary issue,
01:35when he visited India recently in his interaction with National Security Advisor Ajit Doval,
01:40the message was very clear, that the recent friction at the borders, he said,
01:45did not benefit the people of India and the people of China.
01:49That is why China wants to move forward.
01:51But the devil lies in the detail.
01:55How does China want to move forward?
01:57When China talks of a multipolar world, does it also believe in a multipolar Asia?
02:01Does it believe in two Asian giants rising peacefully together?
02:05There are many, many messages and signals here.
02:08Of course, there is also an opportunity with Trump imposing tariffs on India
02:12and threatening to impose tariffs on China.
02:15What is it that India and China can get out of this together?
02:18Not because of our relationship of, you know, souring with the United States of America,
02:24but India's efforts to improve ties with China and China's efforts to improve ties with India
02:29had begun even before Trump tariffs kicked in.
02:32And that conversation started in 2024 on the sidelines of BRICS Kazan.
02:38I also want to bring in Dr. Sataro Nagavo into this conversation.
02:42He joins us from Japan.
02:44He's someone who watches this region very closely.
02:46India Today's Foreign Affairs editor, Gita Mohan, with me on this special broadcast.
02:50Dr. Sataro, one of the most successful visits of Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
02:56and though virtually every visit has been extremely successful to Japan from 2014
03:01when he'd visited Tokyo to Kyoto,
03:03this current visit, when there's talk of billions of dollars of investment,
03:08of skilled labor and semi-skilled labor,
03:11from space cooperation to defense cooperation moving forward,
03:14how would you view the Japan leg of the visit,
03:18and how would you view the current visit to China, to Tianjin?
03:22We're focusing on the schedule.
03:25The Prime Minister Modi visits Japan before he visits China to join the SCO.
03:32And after SCO, China is preparing the military parade against Japan,
03:38but Prime Minister Modi will not attend and return to India before it.
03:43This schedule has a message.
03:47So even if India try to talk with China about border issue or business issue,
03:55despite this, still there is a problem between India and China,
04:00and cooperate with Japan is good for India.
04:06That schedule indicates such a message.
04:08So that's why, currently, there is a power game in Asia.
04:14And three powers are very important.
04:16China, of course,
04:18but India is most rising important power,
04:21and Japan is also the old power,
04:23declining but still is in the self-restriction and spread presence.
04:28So this year, 80th anniversary after the World War II,
04:34and there are plenty of the anti-Japan movement in China.
04:39And despite this,
04:41Prime Minister Modi choose to come to Japan first,
04:44and after that China.
04:45This means that this is very courageous,
04:48and a strong message from India,
04:50because India is courageous, rising power.
04:53That's a very important aspect that you raised, sir.
05:00You're saying,
05:01one, India is a very courageous power.
05:04India is a rising power.
05:06Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Japan
05:08was a very important signal that was sent out.
05:11You know, before we talk in greater detail
05:14about Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to China,
05:17or let me for a moment focus on his interaction
05:20with Chinese President Xi Jinping,
05:22as an independent analyst,
05:25how do you view what Prime Minister Narendra Modi said,
05:28and what Chinese President Xi Jinping said,
05:30and what this means for the relationship
05:33between the two countries,
05:35the economic relationship between the two countries?
05:39Of course, as a business,
05:42they try to promote,
05:43view from this friendship remark,
05:45that is a good gesture
05:48to temporarily the tension is calming down.
05:52But India today already mentioned
05:54that a peaceful border situation
05:57creates such kind of situation.
05:58Without this, it will not continue.
06:01And another aspect is,
06:02the problem is Pakistan.
06:04Pakistan is a permanent member of the SCO,
06:07and every time,
06:09always arrive China.
06:10And this time,
06:12China is inviting other South Asian countries too,
06:16like Maldives or Nepal.
06:19So these countries,
06:20China's plot is very clear.
06:22They want to expand,
06:24influence country around India.
06:26So view from India,
06:28what is the message is,
06:29of course,
06:30Prime Minister Modi already identified.
06:32So the friendship remark is one thing,
06:35but the background reality is another thing.
06:37Prime Minister carefully calculated this thing,
06:40and of course,
06:42through the negotiation,
06:43he tried to get the benefit,
06:46but at the same time,
06:48still,
06:49he knows that
06:49there is a problem
06:51between two countries.
06:57So,
06:58would China want to see
06:59the rise of a peaceful India,
07:02or in your appreciation,
07:04no?
07:04As you very rightly pointed out,
07:06there are three Asian giants,
07:08so three major economic powers in Asia,
07:12China,
07:12India,
07:13and Japan.
07:14Japan and India are very close,
07:16and I want you to talk a little about
07:19the cooperation between Japan and India,
07:22especially this visit,
07:24the talk of investment in India,
07:26the movement of skilled labor,
07:28and semi-skilled labor from India to Japan,
07:30the defense cooperation between the two countries,
07:32what is the signaling that goes out here,
07:36sir?
07:37This is very strategic,
07:39because China's influence,
07:41China's influence is spread to the global south,
07:44how to deal with it.
07:45India and Japan should cooperate.
07:48Because if both two countries cooperate,
07:51more bigger projects,
07:54we can do that.
07:55And India's location is perfect.
07:57India's influence is spreading
08:00all side of the Indian ocean region now,
08:04the Middle East,
08:05Africa,
08:05of course,
08:05South East Asia also.
08:07Why?
08:08Because India's rising,
08:09because India's location is perfect.
08:11So that's why if Japan invests in India
08:17and create factories,
08:19where is the market?
08:21Of course,
08:21Middle East,
08:22Africa,
08:23and South East Asia,
08:24all of these areas market.
08:26So that's why to develop these countries,
08:30infrastructure projects,
08:32India and Japan,
08:33should cooperate too.
08:35And so when the Prime Minister Modi visits Japan,
08:37that kind of topic has already agreed,
08:41because the Indian side has many projects in Africa,
08:45or India,
08:46Middle East,
08:47Europe,
08:48IMEK project.
08:50Japan side is Japan,
08:52Africa,
08:53Economic Zone initiatives,
08:55they just started.
08:56So in this case,
08:58collaboration between India and Japan
09:01is expanding influence of India
09:05in the global south region.
09:06So that's why this is a big matter.
09:10And defense cooperation also important,
09:12because China is building 148 ships
09:16joining the 2014 to the 2023
09:20Indian naval chief said.
09:23So this 148 is the total number
09:26of the naval ships of the Indian Navy,
09:28and Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force
09:30has the same number.
09:32So that's why China is creating
09:34the same size of the Navy every 10 years,
09:36such kind of speed is very fast
09:39and dangerous for the two countries.
09:41That's why two countries cooperate.
09:43Defense cooperation,
09:44strategic cooperation,
09:46economic cooperation,
09:47everything is very beneficial
09:50for two countries,
09:51but background reality is China.
09:55That is my current situation.
09:58So potential is very big.
09:59Very significant point.
10:00That is important.
10:01That is important.
10:02That is important.
10:05That is important.
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