00:00Yeah, I mean, I think that we need to have a society in which we appreciate that, of course, nation states exist, and it's okay for people to be proud of where they're from.
00:11But we need ultimately a civic nationalism that's rooted in universal values.
00:16This, I think, is in the best tradition of the Enlightenment, the ideas of equality before the law, democracy, secularism, the idea that people are more than their inherited identities.
00:26I think these bind us together as citizens in the West, and that's more important than where we're from.
00:33And sometimes these efforts to force kind of assimilation from above on people just tend to backfire and make them recoil even deeper into their identity and their communities.
00:46And I think in the United States, for example, we've done quite well, at least until recent months, in assimilating people and making them feel like they're fully American.
00:55You know, my parents came to the U.S. just one year before I was born.
00:59I consider myself an unhyphenated American, even though I'm proud of my culture and identity and rituals and certainly the food.
01:09I think, you know, the food in my household is better than the average American household, I think.
01:13But I never felt like I was part of an alien culture.
01:18And I think that should be really the goal.
01:21This sort of American integration should really be the goal of how European societies relate to mass immigration as well.
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