00:00On social media and across social discourse platforms such as Substack,
00:06we're hearing and reading perhaps a lot more about nativism,
00:12the policy of protecting the interests of native-born people, as it's described.
00:17For example, in the US, we see it in discussions around what is being termed heritage Americans,
00:26people who say they're real Americans because they can trace their lineage back to the original settlers.
00:33In both cases, there's a criticism that there's a presumption that the further back your generations go,
00:40the more worthy you are to be a member of your nation.
00:45So let's start, Andrew, let's start with you in the middle of our panel there.
00:49How do we and how should we determine national identity?
00:56Is it more than just the passport you get to carry?
00:59Well, it's certainly more than the passport that you get to carry.
01:03We've tried to define Britishness in the UK for a long time and it's not an easy thing,
01:09but I think most people understand that it needs to do with the rule of law,
01:13a sense of fair play, to give two examples.
01:17And there are many people who have come to the UK from other countries and other cultures
01:22who have assimilated perfectly well and are very much British and regard themselves as British.
01:27I think some of the problems that we've been having have later,
01:30those people who have come to the UK and have perhaps used the UK as a flag of convenience
01:34because they want a British passport eventually or they certainly want to reside in Britain
01:39at the moment and work here, but don't necessarily subscribe to British values and British culture.
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