00:00And I know that there's so many details that need to be hammered out, but let's say Zelensky
00:05and Putin do meet face to face, which that would be, I mean, just a sight. But who wants more land
00:11from Ukraine, right? Zelensky, that's a non-starter for Zelensky. He does not want to give
00:16land to Russia. I mean, seems like they're a stalemate. What would be beneficial in that
00:22meeting? Yeah, hard to say. Hard for him to give land away. Hard for him to do it under the
00:28Constitution. On the other hand, and President Trump has made this case, there is what is de facto
00:35and what is de jure. What I mean by that de facto is what are the facts on the ground? De jure means
00:39what's legal. So, for example, Crimea was taken illegally, occupied, annexed in 2014 by Putin.
00:51Unlikely that that's going to come back anytime soon. Any land, any territory that Putin's forces
00:57now occupy, I don't see them giving that up. That's just realistic. They don't, doesn't have
01:03to be recognized as legal. Doesn't have to, no one has to say, of course, you deserve that. But you
01:08could say, okay, leave it in place. That's what's called a frozen conflict. It's a way of, if you could
01:17leave it that way and end the fighting, that's still an accomplishment, I think, especially since
01:25a few, if you did that, if you froze the conflict along what's called the lines of contact, then
01:32Ukraine remains very much an independent, sovereign, free nation, which is what Putin doesn't want. And
01:39we've discussed this, Brittany, he doesn't want it for two reasons. One is he thinks it's imperative
01:44that he drags Ukraine back into the Russian slash Soviet empire. And two, because Putin does not want,
01:51as a next door neighbor, a free and democratic country. It's a bad example, he thinks, for
01:58his, for his, for his, his subjects.
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