Criminal Defense Attorney Reveals What Ghislaine Maxwell Could Have Done To Get A Prison Transfer

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On "Forbes Newsroom," Criminal Defense Attorney Daniel Rubin discussed Ghislaine Maxwell's transfer to a lower-security prison.

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00:00I want to talk about that transfer because that got a lot of attention.

00:04She went from a low-security Florida prison to a minimum security prison.

00:10It's been described as a cushy prison, a country club-esque prison.

00:14I mean, it's still prison, but it's one of the better ones.

00:16It's a prison camp, and it doesn't sound like the place that someone who was charged with really heinous sex crimes,

00:23including sex crimes involving minors, would go.

00:26I mean, what do you make of that move?

00:28Does that signal to you, as a defense attorney, that she provided really valuable information?

00:34Perhaps she snitched on someone?

00:36I mean, what does that really look like?

00:38So before you actually give an information proper as a client, as a defendant, you have an attorney proper.

00:45Attorney proffers are basically the attorney having a long conversation with the prosecutors and saying,

00:51here's a preview of what you can expect my client to give you.

00:54So those proffers, by the way, can be held, whatever's gleaned in those proffers can be held against the client.

01:02So it's really important that you are able to provide some information,

01:06but you will hold back enough that you're not totally giving away the farm, so to speak.

01:11But when you're giving them this proffer, you're putting your reputation on the line,

01:18showing that your client can provide this information, and that this information is going to provide some value to the prosecutor.

01:28Because if the prosecutor sees no value in this proffer, then they're not going to go forward with it.

01:35So that's probably why she was moved to a minimum security prison at this point,

01:42also because it's probably easier to access for the prosecutors.

01:46But it's probably a show of good faith that what she has is going to be well taken.

01:55We won't know for sure.

01:57I mean, we can't really know, right, what was said in between the prosecutor, the attorney, and Ms. Maxwell.

02:03But, I mean, don't you think that there's got to be something that she's given so far

02:08to lead her to be transferred somewhere which is far better than where she was before?

02:14I mean, it's a good question, and I think a lot of people have that question is,

02:20I mean, my assumption would be you had to have given up something good to get to that really good prison.

02:25That is what people say, that that's a great prison to be if you are, in fact, in prison.

02:31And as we know, there has been renewed scrutiny over the relationship between President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein,

02:37who had a 15-year or so friendship.

02:40And, like you said, reports have indicated that Ghislaine Maxwell said she never saw President Trump

02:46engage in what has been described as concerning behavior.

02:49She said that during her conversations with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche in July.

02:54Do you think that negative information was good enough for her to get transferred?

02:57Or is that just, do you think information from those nine-hour meetings are going to just drip, drip, drip out?

03:02I mean, that's a very good question.

03:06We probably won't know until that actually happens.

03:08But I think that her talking about President Trump is a very good precursor or a very important precursor

03:18to what we can expect her to say down the line.

03:20I think it's obviously in her best interest that even if something happened between Epstein and the president,

03:27and the president was there at one point, to leave his name out, to talk about him positively,

03:34to essentially back him to show that the corruption doesn't extend to him,

03:40whether that's truthful or not is going to be up to the public to decide,

03:44and really up to the prosecutor to decide.

03:48It's, I think that at the very least, it's a showing of good faith.

03:55And I don't know if that alone was enough from her to get her transferred to a minimum security prison.

04:01But I think it's definitely taking steps in what we can see from her going forward.

04:06I also think that depending on how hard she goes on the president, that's what her hearing is going to look like.

04:17Right now, both houses are controlled, but the House and Senate, sorry, are controlled by the Republican Party.

04:24They have the ability to drill her strenuously, completely, or to throw her a bunch of lowball questions

04:32and have her sort of monologue as to what's going on.

04:36They can also turn her around and say that they think this is a giant miscarriage of justice

04:42when they're given opportunities to speak.

04:44We don't really know yet.

04:46I think that how she describes the president and her involvement with the president

04:52is going to determine how Congress deals with her and ultimately what she gets in the end.

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