- 6 months ago
Wrote to RJD for alliance, don't want BJP to win Bihar polls: Asaduddin Owaisi
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00:00Our next guest, five-times Member of Parliament, diligent parliamentarian,
00:00:22Mr. Asaduddin Ovese.
00:00:30Shall we guys, let's start?
00:00:36Old parliament had lot of life in it.
00:00:40That old parliament, history as well.
00:00:43The whole not being a bright student, just about getting enough masks and being one of
00:00:48the best students of parliament.
00:00:50Post-independence India, did your party stand for a separate Islamic state?
00:00:54No.
00:00:55Not at all.
00:00:56So that's all you're saying is a figment of the BJP's imagination.
00:00:58It's all lies.
00:00:59Well, the last day of that cricket match, I was sitting in my home.
00:01:03I had a parliament to go, but I wanted-
00:01:05You didn't go.
00:01:06I went to parliament and I rushed back.
00:01:09Terrorism has become a new religion.
00:01:11And these terrorists do all these acts in the name of a religion.
00:01:15Goethe was the first terrorist of independent India.
00:01:18We also want BJP to be defeated or India to be defeated.
00:01:21And they shouldn't come back in power in Bihar.
00:01:23Oasis sahab, it's a privilege and a pleasure to have you on UNPolitics.
00:01:36You're no stranger to rich introductions.
00:01:38But as what is the format of my show, allow me to ask you to introduce yourself.
00:01:43Well, I am a fifth time elected member of parliament by the people of Hyderabad.
00:01:50And I had, they had given me the opportunities to serve as a two-time MLA former then constituency
00:01:59in the then Andhra Pradesh called Charminar Assembly Constituency.
00:02:03And this has been my, so far, the political journey.
00:02:08That's, you know, it's been, are you being modest?
00:02:14Because it's been way more prolific than that.
00:02:16No, I mean, I mean, you wanted the political introduction.
00:02:20So I had to say-
00:02:21Make it personal, make it political.
00:02:23Everything is there.
00:02:24So politically, yeah, I was a member of assembly from 94 till 2004.
00:02:30Then from 2004 to 2024, the people of Hyderabad have elected me with the blessings of them
00:02:38and with the blessing of Almighty Allah.
00:02:40And I'm also a chairman of a trust which runs education institutes,
00:02:49which was established by my late father in 1984 and which has a medical college,
00:02:56which has successfully running from the last 40 years,
00:03:01which has ensured that not about some 10,000 odd Muslim doctors have come out from this place.
00:03:11Engineering, MBA, MCA college, School of architecture,
00:03:16physical therapy, MBA in hospital management.
00:03:19But these are all established by my late father and the late leaders of our party at that time.
00:03:26So these colleges have nothing to do with me personally.
00:03:29It's a trust.
00:03:30And we run it.
00:03:32So, so, so far, it has been like this.
00:03:36OVC Sahab, you know, you come from a rich political legacy, your father, your grandfather.
00:03:42What shaped your worldview in terms of politics, because correct me if I'm wrong,
00:03:46I think you were nine years old when your father won a municipal election.
00:03:50And from.
00:03:51No, I was not born when he was elected as a municipal corporate in 1960.
00:03:57Okay.
00:03:57Then in 62, he became an MLA and 69 is my date of birth.
00:04:04So, but yes, you are absolutely right.
00:04:06Uh, you know, it's because of, uh, my family elders, my father and all of the people who
00:04:13are nowhere in this world, some are still alive, uh, and they happen to take a very, uh, difficult
00:04:20journey at that time, uh, to revive, uh, to start a new party with the new constitution.
00:04:27And, um, so, yeah, those initial years I'm told have been very, very difficult for them.
00:04:33Uh, a lot of, uh, uh, oppression.
00:04:38In fact, my grandfather was in prison for nearly 11 months.
00:04:42Uh, we hear now that, you know, accounts are being, uh, seized, properties have been seized.
00:04:49So it happened to us in 1957.
00:04:53Uh, so there are some real stories, facts, uh, which I have been, I have heard from my, uh,
00:05:02late uncles and aunts and they have gone through a lot of problems.
00:05:07But alhamdulillah, you know, I think so everyone has to go through this rigmarole of life.
00:05:13And, uh, they had successfully journey, uh, this difficult journey.
00:05:18And right now I'm here in front of you.
00:05:20Um, do you have any anecdote growing up with your grandfather or your father?
00:05:27Do you remember, did you think that this was your political legacy to inherit or, you know,
00:05:31you were on your way to becoming a lawyer?
00:05:33How did it all come together?
00:05:35No, my grandfather, uh, uh, I think so.
00:05:39I was around about seven, eight years old when he passed away.
00:05:42Um, the memories I have about him was that, uh, about, uh, he being a good successful lawyer.
00:05:52And even in his late age, he was a very fit man.
00:05:56And he used to get up around about 4.20, 4.30 in the morning.
00:06:01And then by 5.30, he used to take me and Akbar, uh, to a place called Tang Bund.
00:06:07When you were little kids.
00:06:09Yeah.
00:06:10And sometimes he used to, he, he used to walk on that whole Tang Bund is around about,
00:06:15one stretch is 1.5 kilometers, 3 kilometers.
00:06:19Then he used to walk back or come in a car, depending on how his body feels.
00:06:24Do you, um, coming in, but do you, did you inherit that?
00:06:27Do you also wake up really early?
00:06:28What is your day like?
00:06:29Yeah, so, of course, if you have to, uh, do the first namaz of the day, Fajr,
00:06:34you have to get up early.
00:06:36But he used to get up more early and read Quran.
00:06:38Okay.
00:06:39I had seen him reading Quran, uh, and, um, very disciplined man.
00:06:43Then I had seen my father working, uh, very, very hard.
00:06:47Uh, for what responsibility the almighty Allah had bestowed upon him, given it to him.
00:06:54So we had seen lot of struggle.
00:06:56We have seen lot of hard work, lot, lot of patience and lot of sincerity in what they have done.
00:07:02And the lesson which I have learned, uh, is that, uh, never give up in life.
00:07:07You know, you have to overcome, uh, all difficulties.
00:07:10You have to keep on striving in what you believe is right.
00:07:15And success or no success, your journey should continue.
00:07:19So your journey from, um, a school in Hyderabad, then to London to do law.
00:07:24Was there, you know, some people have that moment of epiphany that what they're calling is that I have to go back and I have to take over my, you know, my father's legacy.
00:07:32Did you go to London to become a lawyer?
00:07:34When did this whole transition to a politician happen?
00:07:37No, no.
00:07:38So for my, uh, since, uh, since the day I was, you know, mature enough to decide what I have to do.
00:07:47So I had taken a decision that, yes, I will do law.
00:07:50But, uh, doing law was either in India or to go abroad.
00:07:56So fortunately I could go to England.
00:08:00I was not a very bright student, uh, which can be vouched and corroborated by my school friends.
00:08:07Uh, so I used to just get minimum marks to get into another class or another year in Nizam College.
00:08:18But, uh, I had to study when I went abroad.
00:08:21So I had no choice.
00:08:22So you became a, because you are one of the most diligent parliamentarians.
00:08:27You've been awarded multiple times.
00:08:29Uh, the whole not being a bright student, just about getting enough masks and being one of the best students of parliament.
00:08:37How, how did that happen?
00:08:39So I, I think that this is, uh, it is wrong to say that if you are a good student, you become a good lawyer or you become a good doctor.
00:08:46No, just the traditional stereotype way of looking at it.
00:08:49But, uh, what I had seen my father reading so many newspapers, uh, he used to read, uh, this, there was at that time, unfortunately it has stopped printing.
00:09:01You know, there's, there's a, uh, Urdu digest called Huma, Shabistan, Shama and various other and blitz Urdu newspaper.
00:09:10And of course the daily newspapers.
00:09:13My father had a small book collection in his room and I used to sit and read.
00:09:19But I was not, I was not really great in academics, but this reading was, was inculcated.
00:09:25Clearly bright.
00:09:26No, this reading was inculcated by my father, but definitely by my late grandmother.
00:09:32Mm-hmm.
00:09:33So we studied in English medium school.
00:09:35Uh, the reason I could speak a little bit good, good Urdu, not completely good Urdu is because of my grandmother who, who used to make me an Akbar set, um, and read the Urdu newspapers.
00:09:47Um, so, of course, when you come, when you, when you become a member of assembly or a parliament, you have to know the rules and procedures.
00:09:56So for that you get a book, which is given to all MLAs and MPs.
00:10:00You have to read that, uh, you know, you, you, you look at your seniors and you learn from them.
00:10:04Uh, so that's it.
00:10:06So it's, it's, uh, I think the end of the day.
00:10:08Are other parliamentarians as well equipped with the rules as you?
00:10:13Well, you see, uh, if you, if you, if you join, uh, this, if you become a member of parliament, then of course, uh, you know, you're, you, you, it's, it's your duty bound to know the rules and procedure.
00:10:26Mm-hmm.
00:10:27Uh, because end of the day, why do you come to the parliament or the assembly is to raise the issues concerning people, particularly the people of your constituency.
00:10:36Uh, and one will, one has to know and one will definitely learn.
00:10:40You see, uh, when, uh, not, you might not learn it in the first six months, but definitely you come to know.
00:10:46You may be quite gracious.
00:10:47Yeah.
00:10:48But, you know, for, for, for the others.
00:10:49Yeah, no, no, but definitely you learn.
00:10:51So, so I had the opportunity of, uh, having seen, uh, Mr. Somna Chatterjee, the speaker.
00:10:58Did you admire him?
00:11:00Oh, yes.
00:11:01Great, great speaker.
00:11:02I, I, I, I doubt.
00:11:03Who did you admire?
00:11:04Who are, who are the people you looked at?
00:11:05No, no, but I, I doubt I will ever see such kind of independent speaker, uh, in my political life.
00:11:12Somna Chatterjee.
00:11:13Somna Chatterjee.
00:11:14Because he happened to be a, what, seven, eight time members of parliament.
00:11:17And he, he was a very good lawyer, uh, barrister from some, some, I think Grayson.
00:11:24And fiercely independent.
00:11:26He really believed in, um, the independence of legislature.
00:11:31And he never tolerated any sort of interference either from the executive side or from the judiciary side.
00:11:37In the current lot?
00:11:39So, I, I don't know.
00:11:40Who do you think is a, because I'll tell you why.
00:11:42No, no, what do you mean current lot?
00:11:43I'll tell you what.
00:11:44So most parliamentarians that I've spoken with, uh, if you tell them to name their top three best orators in parliament, you come in the top three.
00:11:53Most.
00:11:54And strangely, it also comes in from the treasury benches.
00:11:57And so I'm asking you who's considered.
00:11:59So you're saying in terms of orator.
00:12:01In terms of orator, in terms of discipline, who do you look at and say that.
00:12:05No, these are two different things.
00:12:06Okay, tell me orators.
00:12:07Who are the best speeches, you think, in parliament?
00:12:10Somebody who's well researched.
00:12:11So when I, uh, so when this live telecast happened, uh, of the parliament proceedings.
00:12:18Some people like Inderjeet Gupta, you know, people, of course, my father was there, uh, was a very great orator.
00:12:27Uh, then, uh, uh, you know, Inderjeet Gupta, even Somnath Chatterjee, he, you know, during the UPA, uh, rule.
00:12:39Because that was when the whole life proceeding started.
00:12:42But when you go to library and read, uh, the speeches which were made by the, the late parliamentarians.
00:12:49And I don't remember this particular name, this, uh, this honorable mempy who came from Maharashtra.
00:12:55You know, even if you read his speeches now, they're so inspiring and, and, and, and used to work so hard on those speeches.
00:13:02He, um, I'm sorry, I don't remember his name, but very difficult to say, you know, because if you, if you, honestly speaking,
00:13:11if you see the standard of, uh, uh, speeches in parliament.
00:13:15Debate.
00:13:16It has a debate, it has fallen down.
00:13:18I think that's.
00:13:19It has fallen down because, that I say, because if you go and read, uh, the speeches that were made by then prime ministers,
00:13:26uh, then home ministers from the opposition leaders, they were great.
00:13:32I mean, right now, uh, I don't think so you can really compare, including myself with those great, uh, parliamentarians.
00:13:41Do you think today there is, you know, when you are sitting in parliament, because you have what 82% attendance the last parliament session.
00:13:48So, you, you hear people in parliament, who do you think right now, you know, could be both treasury benches or the other side,
00:13:55are at least well researched and they make a good point.
00:13:58I think, you know, see, you, one must really understand that the time which you get in the parliament is based on your party's strength.
00:14:06Yes.
00:14:07Yeah.
00:14:08Right.
00:14:09Now, you cannot compare, uh, member of parliament who, who belongs to a party which has a single MP or two MP or three MP,
00:14:18because the, their time is very, very limited.
00:14:20But you could use it wisely.
00:14:21Yes.
00:14:22Unfortunately, it is the bigger parties who get maximum time.
00:14:29You know, so if you get 30 minutes.
00:14:33Now in 30 minutes, you can, you can basically, uh, you know, really, uh, ask pointed questions.
00:14:41You can expose the government.
00:14:42You can even, uh, with your words, you can slaughter them.
00:14:46Yeah.
00:14:47In a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, I'm saying, but for a smaller parties like me, we get only seven, eight minutes.
00:14:54But you make such an impact.
00:14:55Yes.
00:14:56But that is where a lot of, uh, uh, input, a lot of hard work, a lot of research, a lot of, you know, people.
00:15:02How much time do you spend in, you know, just putting your speech together?
00:15:06So, yeah, three, four, three, four hours at least for six, seven minutes.
00:15:10You still didn't answer my question on who do you think is good now?
00:15:13No, I, I, I'm not saying it because my ego doesn't allow me to say that.
00:15:16But I'm honestly saying that you have to differentiate between a, a leader who belongs to a smaller party and a leader who has 30 minutes.
00:15:24Who speaks best from the treasury benches?
00:15:28I, I don't know.
00:15:29For me, for me, a speech should be impactful, uh, you know, should be, uh, it has, should have a lot of important points for the, for the, for the treasury bench supporting government.
00:15:42But if you get 30 minutes and you drag and you drag and you drag, so, you know, you do, there's not much, uh, great, you know.
00:15:51So no one right now?
00:15:52No, no.
00:15:53I, I happened to hear Sushma Swaraj in 2009.
00:15:56She was a great orator.
00:15:57Sure.
00:15:58You know, late Sushma Swaraj.
00:15:59Um, and of course.
00:16:00Let me ask you something.
00:16:01Do you think Rahul Gandhi's speeches could be better written?
00:16:05I don't want to speak for any particular, you know, but I hope he comes to your podcast.
00:16:11I hope so.
00:16:12Never know.
00:16:13Never know.
00:16:14But you don't want to comment.
00:16:15Tell me something.
00:16:16In Operation Sindhur, was Rahul Gandhi's speech better or Priyanka Gandhi's speech better?
00:16:20Why do you, why do you want to put me in spot?
00:16:22Oh, that's my job.
00:16:23You can say you don't want to answer it.
00:16:24I, I, I, I, it's difficult for me to say who's better, you know, who's better.
00:16:29Is Priyanka Gandhi a good orator?
00:16:31But, uh, Mr. Rahul Gandhi has been a five-time members of parliament.
00:16:36Yeah.
00:16:37And, uh, you know, he has been more exposed and, and, and more experienced, uh, parliamentarian now.
00:16:44Uh, so end of the day, it is, see, the impact of the speech is one when people start believing you.
00:16:52You know, and people start believing you and they say, okay, this, these are facts.
00:16:57Uh, this is the truth.
00:16:59They might disagree with you politically, but deep down, they know that, okay, this is what one is saying is, is, is true.
00:17:06And, um, then again, you see, if you speak in Hindi or Urdu, the reach is more in, in, because if you speak in English, then you're speaking to, uh,
00:17:18A very select elite audience.
00:17:20An English audience, which is more in the southern part.
00:17:23Southern part and, and urban areas.
00:17:25So that also you have to keep in mind.
00:17:27So one cannot say, oh, this has been a great speech.
00:17:30Is that like a, a jib at Rahul Gandhi because his last speech was in English?
00:17:34No, no, I'm not at all, I'm, I'm not at all making any comment on his speech or, or, or his sister's speech.
00:17:40Fair point.
00:17:41So everyone, I, I, of course, he is the LOP.
00:17:44So he, he have to, he, there's a more responsibility on him.
00:17:47And whatever, uh, you know, in, in such debates, it is before the prime minister speaks, the LOP speaks.
00:17:56So he has more responsibility in, in, in putting forward the opposition point of view.
00:18:02You know, let me just go back.
00:18:03Uh, do you think because your political outfit of what you inherited, um, you know, it's something that is,
00:18:09It's a political party.
00:18:10Yeah, political party, but you know, when, uh, that, uh, you inherited and especially during elections,
00:18:16something that constantly comes back is the legacy of your party.
00:18:19You know, you've had, uh, in 2024, you've had Devendra Fadnavis who spoke about the Razakars.
00:18:24You've, many times, you know.
00:18:26Let me correct you and Mr. Fadnavis.
00:18:28Fadnavis, you cannot correct because when it comes to Muslim issues is blinded by hatred.
00:18:34This political party has no connection whatsoever with the Razakars.
00:18:39You've said that before.
00:18:40So Razakars, who were Razakars, they went to Pakistan.
00:18:43This party was defunct.
00:18:45You know, completely.
00:18:46You've said that.
00:18:47It was not in a political party.
00:18:49And if you ask them the name also of that, at that point of time, what was the name of
00:18:52the party, they will not even tell you.
00:18:54It was not this name.
00:18:55M-I-M?
00:18:56No, it was not.
00:18:57It was a different name.
00:18:58So these people, they don't do their own research.
00:19:01So anyway, so this party was, the name was changed.
00:19:06We gave a new constitution to the party.
00:19:11And secondly, when my grandfather took it up with the then leaders of the M-I-M party,
00:19:16they said, we'll seriously abide by the Indian constitution.
00:19:21Then this party was registered in election commission of India.
00:19:25And then after doing everything, he was, he was sent to prison for 11 months.
00:19:29His accounts were seized.
00:19:30You know, the water was stopped.
00:19:32So, it's a completely different thing.
00:19:35But that is what it is.
00:19:37People don't read properly.
00:19:39And then...
00:19:40So, O Visi sahab, that whole thing of, you're saying it's untrue, where, you know,
00:19:43and because there is a narrative that after independence with the Nizam, your political...
00:19:49So there is a history of Hyderabad state.
00:19:51Exactly.
00:19:52There was a...
00:19:53That you wanted an Islamic state.
00:19:54It was the biggest princely state.
00:19:56Right.
00:19:57Headed by the last Nizam, Mirusma Ali Khan Bahadur.
00:20:01There was a standstill agreement, which, which Walter Monckton and KM Munshi were very much instrumental.
00:20:09Then we had Operation Polo.
00:20:11And to know about Operation Polo, one must go to the Nehru library and read Pandit Sundar Lal report,
00:20:19which said that nearly 45,000 or 50,000 Muslims were slaughtered in the Hyderabad state.
00:20:28Now, this report was...
00:20:30It became an issue during Mrs. Indira Gandhi's time.
00:20:33She went, came to the parliament and said, we'll not release this report.
00:20:36It's very sensitive.
00:20:38Now, this report is out.
00:20:39I mean, it is there in Nehru Central Library.
00:20:41And Mr. My great, great friend and the person who I admire, Mr. Late Nurani, printed this whole report about Operation Polo,
00:20:54which we call in local parlances, police action.
00:20:59It happened.
00:21:00So, then Hyderabad state became part of Hyderabad state.
00:21:04The then government made Nehru, Nehru and Sardar Patel made Mirusma Ali Khan, Rasparamuk.
00:21:12Then on the basis of, on the Fazil Ali commission, then Hyderabad state.
00:21:18Parts of it went to Karnataka, parts of it went to Maharashtra.
00:21:21And then, then Hyderabad state was created.
00:21:25Then Andhra state was created.
00:21:28So, yes, there is a history behind Hyderabad state, but to…
00:21:34Is it an uncomfortable truth or it is what it was then?
00:21:37No, it is what it is.
00:21:38Parties allegiance with the Nizam and wanting…
00:21:40No, no, it was what it is.
00:21:41But you see, my grandfather never met the Nizam.
00:21:43Because at that time, the tradition was, if you're meeting the Nizam, you have to give him an Ashrafi in a gold coin.
00:21:51My grandfather refused. He said, no, I cannot do that.
00:21:54I, you know, I will never do that. Why should I give a gold coin to meet His Excellency Mirusma Ali Khan?
00:22:01So, in post-independence India, did your party stand for a separate Islamic state?
00:22:05No. No?
00:22:06Not at all.
00:22:07So that's all you're saying is a figment of the BJP's imagination.
00:22:09It's all lies. It's all lies.
00:22:11Show us a statement from 1957 onwards.
00:22:16Please show us when this party was revived, the constitution was changed.
00:22:21There is no such statement as such at all. I mean, you want to create a boogie or you want to create a falsehood,
00:22:28you want to create a hatred for Hyderabad, for Hyderabad history, that is your problem.
00:22:35But the fact is this, never such statement was made.
00:22:39Why are you such a favorite of Devendra Fadnaves?
00:22:42Who?
00:22:43Of the…
00:22:44No, I'm a favorite of many. You know, I'm a favorite of my wife also. You don't know.
00:22:47So, I cannot stop anyone. You know, definitely I'm happy. I'm a favorite of my wife and my children.
00:22:53But I don't know why Devendra Fadnaves, you know, he likes me so much. Good luck to him.
00:23:00You know, maybe… I don't know what… Maybe something in me inspires him. I don't know.
00:23:06Which other leaders are not able to inspire him.
00:23:08You know, I'm going to go back to your schooling days. And you know, there is…
00:23:11So many people have told me about… And you've said it also many times. How much you wanted to be a cricketer.
00:23:18Did you actually… Did you record a better score than a Venkateshwara Prasad?
00:23:23Yeah, there is. There is…
00:23:25It's documented.
00:23:26No, no. There is a…
00:23:27As a fast bowler.
00:23:28No, no. There is a Deccan Chronicle report. I can pass it on to you.
00:23:33In fact, yesterday one of my old friend had sent it to me.
00:23:36So basically, we were… Usmaniyah University was playing against Bangalore.
00:23:43It was known as Bangalore University at that time.
00:23:45It was the south zone final. And then…
00:23:48So I had… I had… I happened to play on the last match, the final match.
00:23:53And then from Usmaniyah University, I got six wickets.
00:23:56But we lost the match and Venkatesh Prasad didn't get any wickets.
00:24:00Okay.
00:24:01So then we went to Jaipur, or it was known as Rohinton Baria.
00:24:07The first match, we played against, I think so, Bombay University.
00:24:12And they had some two, three Ranji players.
00:24:15The wicket was wet. And despite me arguing with my good friend, D. Suresh,
00:24:23who's an IS officer in Haryana. And my dear friend, Masood Ahmad.
00:24:29These are all batters. You know, D. Suresh was one of the better batsmen I've ever seen,
00:24:35including Masood and Afan. But being… You know, these…
00:24:41they are very selfish. You know, a batsman, they just want to bat.
00:24:44And I was telling you, look, the wicket is wet. It's… It's February in Jaipur.
00:24:49The ball will swing, the wicket is wet. No, no, no. We'll do it.
00:24:53So we couldn't score much against the Mumbai, Bombay at University.
00:24:57In that match also, I got on about some four wickets. Four… Four or five wickets.
00:25:02I selected for south zone busy trophy. Again, I got four or five wickets.
00:25:06And that was the end of my kicketing journey because…
00:25:10Did you have a rivalry with Venkateshwar Prasad?
00:25:12No, no, no. Nothing like that.
00:25:13No, no. That was the only match…
00:25:15You played?
00:25:16I played against him. He was representing his university.
00:25:18Why didn't you take cricket seriously if you were this good?
00:25:21No, but…
00:25:22Post you it as a career?
00:25:24I started playing cricket very late. Unlike people who start from under 14, under 13.
00:25:31So I started playing from, I think so, from my 11th, 12th, intermediate college.
00:25:38But then again, I got admission in a university. I wanted to go to London. So anyway, I did play…
00:25:45But you're still very passionate about cricket.
00:25:47Yeah, of course. I still like to watch that game. One of the sports which I can watch.
00:25:53And then when you go abroad, there's a lot of other responsibilities. You have to work. You have to study. And so…
00:26:00Do you… Because you were so vocal on… You know, every time there is a match that India wins, especially on Mohamed Siraj's bowling, you know, in the test at the oval.
00:26:08Do you see yourself in a young Mohamed Siraj?
00:26:12No, no, no. There's nothing like that.
00:26:14Yeah, I was too… Fortunately, I had a very privileged… As compared to Siraj, you know, upbringing, everything.
00:26:23See, when I see Siraj, I feel…
00:26:25Your heart's full.
00:26:26No, very happy. And his journey in life…
00:26:30That's true. That's tremendous.
00:26:32Extremely tough.
00:26:33One of the best scripted Indian stories.
00:26:35One thing I must say that Siraj should have gone…
00:26:39Siraj should have got this credit much before.
00:26:42You know, man who played all the tests in Australia and bowling on those strong grounds of Australia.
00:26:52You know, bowling so many overs in Australia, which no other border could have lasted.
00:26:58And then again, playing at a stretch all these five test matches, playing test matches in India.
00:27:05So the recognition Siraj is getting now, he should have got it much before, but…
00:27:10That's sports.
00:27:11Yeah. No, but in terms of a baller, you know, toiling day in, day out,
00:27:16and bowling those overs, 23 overs, 25 overs in innings, it's…
00:27:22It takes a lot of… You have to be extremely fit with Siraj's.
00:27:26And the good thing about him is that he has not forgotten his old friends.
00:27:31You know, when I speak to people and ask him, who are his friends?
00:27:35They say, no, he has not changed his friends.
00:27:37He has not, you know, started meeting all these elite crowds of Hyderabad, which are of good, no good for no purpose.
00:27:48But he is still grounded.
00:27:50Have you changed your friends?
00:27:51No, not at all, no.
00:27:52Who you grew up with?
00:27:53I mean, you know, I think you come from Haryana, you can ask D. Suresh.
00:27:57Yeah.
00:27:58And you can also ask him what Mr. G means. We call him Mr. G.
00:28:02Okay.
00:28:03Okay.
00:28:04So, no, we have not. So, of course, you make new friends.
00:28:06Of course.
00:28:07But your school friends remain school friends throughout your life.
00:28:11You've kept them.
00:28:12Yeah, but we don't meet, but whenever we meet them…
00:28:15What do they call you? What's your… I'm sure they call you, sir.
00:28:18They can't call you, they call Asad.
00:28:20No, they call me Asad. They call me Asad. I have no issues and I'm happy.
00:28:24Recently, I met one of my old school friends who's a pilot.
00:28:29He met me, I think so, I met him after years on Hyderabad airport.
00:28:34And then I told him why don't you come over to my home.
00:28:37So, I don't know, he said, told me I'm coming sometime.
00:28:40He came to my home and, I mean, that pilot, who is a pilot, it didn't change.
00:28:47He was like this in his, when he was in school.
00:28:51He came on a, what, 6, what, 850cc motorbike.
00:28:56And I said, what's happening?
00:28:59He said, look, I am, I go on rallies.
00:29:02You also ride.
00:29:03Yeah, I ride, but not this kind of thing.
00:29:05This guy goes, he has gone to Ladakh.
00:29:07So, you know, you meet a lot of school friends.
00:29:09But you're a great host.
00:29:10Yeah, I mean, of course, everyone in Hyderabad is a good host.
00:29:14No, but it's, you know, you're legendary with…
00:29:16No, no, no, no.
00:29:17Any, I, like, okay, I have spoken to so many people and they just say that
00:29:20even if there are two people, the table is so full when Ovestis are hosting you.
00:29:24So, no, no, no.
00:29:25I think so.
00:29:26This is, I don't know.
00:29:27It's, it's, I don't know.
00:29:28And he'll take you to the car and drop you.
00:29:29It's an unwanted compliment.
00:29:30But that is what everyone is in Hyderabad like that.
00:29:35You know, if you, if you are invited to any home,
00:29:37every Hyderabadi, irrespective of what religion he belongs to,
00:29:42will, will treat his guests very properly.
00:29:44You know, ensure that he's taken care of, he or she or is invited.
00:29:48That is what Hyderabad culture is.
00:29:50I do Hyderabad stands out as compared to the cities.
00:29:54Let me ask you a question which strangely the right wing audience of the show really loves,
00:29:57which is food choices, Hyderabadi Biryani or Laknavi Biryani.
00:30:02You see, if you, if you, one, if you're a student, I mean, wherever, whichever,
00:30:11you, you leave your home state and you go and study other place.
00:30:14So food becomes secondary for you.
00:30:16You know, it doesn't, your, your choices are very limited.
00:30:19So you are, you are more focused towards your academic studies.
00:30:23So for me, it's the same thing.
00:30:24What I learned through hard way in, in my time in London was that food doesn't matter.
00:30:32You know, whatever, whatever is given to you is taken.
00:30:34What do you prefer?
00:30:35Would you prefer a Hyderabadi Biryani or a Laknavi Biryani?
00:30:37No, it doesn't matter.
00:30:38You know, alhamdulillah, if I can get.
00:30:40You just want food on the table.
00:30:41Yeah, whatever it is there, it's fine with me.
00:30:43So, and moreover, if you're a politician, you know, you're traveling around,
00:30:48so you're, you know, as long as the food is safe, healthy, hygienic is good, have it.
00:30:55That's it.
00:30:56This is my motto.
00:30:57You cannot, should I have been this and that.
00:31:00I don't think so.
00:31:01I'm, I'm fine with any food.
00:31:03No, no, it's just nothing much.
00:31:06Nothing like that.
00:31:07Nothing like that.
00:31:08Whatever is there, as long as it's hygienic is good.
00:31:11You know, I'm going to take you back.
00:31:12You talk about your time in London.
00:31:13How difficult was it for you?
00:31:15Because you're a devout practicing Muslim.
00:31:18For a young boy coming in from where you were coming in to adjust.
00:31:21Was it different?
00:31:22Was it culturally very difficult to adapt?
00:31:24Were you accepted?
00:31:25Did you make friends?
00:31:26Because there is, in any case, a sense of alienation because of it.
00:31:30I went with, with this, with this aim that I must come back or I must complete my, my law degree and do my bar over there.
00:31:43That was the only thing in my mind.
00:31:46Did you have a tough time culturally?
00:31:48I don't know, no, not, I don't know why people use this word culturally.
00:31:52If it's a new place, you have to learn new things, you know, fish and chips is not available in Hyderabad.
00:31:59Uh, you know, uh, you don't get to see, uh, you know, at that time in 89.
00:32:06You know, if you go to Selfridges or Oxford Street or Haddad's or, so these are some new things, but cultural shock, no.
00:32:15Why? Why should there be cultural shock?
00:32:17Because you, like I said, you were a practicing devout Muslim.
00:32:20You dressed a certain way.
00:32:21You behaved in a certain way.
00:32:22No, that didn't stop me from practicing my religion.
00:32:25It didn't create a divide.
00:32:26You made your friends.
00:32:27There wasn't any.
00:32:28Yeah, yeah.
00:32:29I made, I made a lot of, a lot of my friends who are still my friends, uh, you know, uh, practicing a religion doesn't stops you.
00:32:36And in fact, you just have to pray, what, two or three times of that time in your, in your college.
00:32:42You go back home, you do it.
00:32:44So, for me, religion, uh, is, is part of my life, but that is not a, oh, it's like, it's a normal thing.
00:32:52You have to do it.
00:32:53Simple as that.
00:32:54That's how, that's great because that's how you see it.
00:32:56How most people see it.
00:32:57No, no.
00:32:58They look at it as a, you know.
00:32:59No, no.
00:33:00Anyway, that is their choice.
00:33:01Uh, but for me, uh, it was definitely a new place.
00:33:05And it was definitely, uh, you know, tough.
00:33:09Mm-hmm.
00:33:10I wouldn't say easy.
00:33:11But looking back, I think so, it was, it was a great journey.
00:33:15I, you've, you know, coming back to cricket, you've made you stand very clear on India playing Pakistan.
00:33:20You know, there is the Asia cup coming in.
00:33:22What's your view on that?
00:33:23No, I said it in parliament during the operative Sindhu debate that when the prime minister himself had said many times that water and blood cannot flow, talks and terrorism cannot go together.
00:33:35And rightfully after Operation Sindhu, this government have, uh, stopped issuing visas.
00:33:43Uh, they have stopped, uh, trade directly, indirect trade.
00:33:47We had, uh, this government has suspended rightfully, uh, the Indus Water Treaty.
00:33:55We are, you know, we have stopped 80% of, according to the treaty, 80% water belongs to Pakistan.
00:34:01We have stopped, we have kept it in abeyance.
00:34:03Uh, when all such measures have been taken, how can you jump and play a cricket match?
00:34:09You see, when people say, oh, what, when you play other sports?
00:34:12The cricket is, it is not a sport in India.
00:34:14Yes.
00:34:15You know, it's football, hockey, volleyball, kabadi.
00:34:20These are, you know, I'm sorry to use their sport, but here it's like an obsession.
00:34:25Yeah, you're right.
00:34:26You know, everything comes to a standstill.
00:34:29And, uh, like for example, the last day of that cricket match, I was sitting in my home.
00:34:36I had a parliament to go, but I wanted.
00:34:38You didn't go.
00:34:39That's that one.
00:34:40I went to parliament and I rushed back.
00:34:41So when I, uh, fortunately the parliament was, uh, it was not working.
00:34:45I rushed back.
00:34:46Okay.
00:34:47And I had put my cell phone on silent and I was watching, okay, now what, what's going to happen?
00:34:52You see, so cricket is like that.
00:34:55And then, and then there's so much of money in cricket, which is not there in other sports.
00:35:00So, I don't know.
00:35:02I'm, I'm surprised, uh, and shocked, uh, that we are playing a cricket match, uh, in Dubai
00:35:09with Pakistan.
00:35:10But anyways, I will not watch it.
00:35:13You won't watch it?
00:35:14I'll not watch it.
00:35:15Why wouldn't because of Operation Sindhu?
00:35:17Yeah, because not Operation Sindhu, but because of, uh, you know, uh, that shocking incident
00:35:24for the children of Pehalgaam, it is too horrific that someone can be shot in front of their small
00:35:30children, wives, mothers, whatever, you know, it's like, you, you're watching, you, you know,
00:35:37your wife is watching her husband being shot in her, in his head.
00:35:41Uh, you know, that is, that is very painful.
00:35:44You know, we, we, unfortunately in our country, we forget the victims.
00:35:48That is what it is.
00:35:49That's true.
00:35:50When people die, either a natural disaster or a bomb blast, you tend to forget.
00:35:55But, uh, you know, we, of course, everyone will have to carry on life.
00:35:59But we also forget that 21 civilians lost in Pakistan shelling.
00:36:03Yeah.
00:36:04We lost, uh, many things.
00:36:07So, so suddenly it's like, oh, then why do we have, uh, why do, why are we not issuing
00:36:14visas?
00:36:15Why are we, why have we called back, uh, diplom, diplomats?
00:36:18Uh, we have a very minimal presence in now Islamabad.
00:36:21We have sent back many of these Pakistani, uh, uh, officers who are indulging in some, uh, spying
00:36:28or anti-national activities.
00:36:30We have suspended indirect trade.
00:36:33Hwaga border is closed.
00:36:35So how does it mix?
00:36:38I don't know.
00:36:39It, to me, it doesn't make sense.
00:36:40So Mr. Rashaduddin OEC is going to boycott the India, Pakistan.
00:36:43No, I do.
00:36:44I will not watch it.
00:36:45I don't use and boycott and, and give any respect to Pakistan.
00:36:48I will not watch it.
00:36:49Why do you think we are going ahead with this match?
00:36:52I don't know.
00:36:53What do you think?
00:36:54What, what, what are our compulsions?
00:36:55I don't know.
00:36:56I don't know.
00:36:57This is for the, uh, BCCI to answer.
00:37:00This is for the office bearers of BCCI to answer.
00:37:02This is for the government of India to answer.
00:37:05Why have they given permission?
00:37:07Uh, it is for them to answer.
00:37:09Because, you know, if you can, uh, if you are playing and you say it's a bilateral,
00:37:15the World Bank treaty is also bilateral.
00:37:18You know, many of these, uh, uh, pharmaceutical companies send their products to Dubai.
00:37:25From Dubai, it goes to Pakistan.
00:37:27They're also losing on it.
00:37:29Uh, you have, uh, Jalandhar is the center for, uh, you know, you know, ready-made garments.
00:37:34They're losing on it.
00:37:36So it doesn't make sense.
00:37:37I don't know.
00:37:38I don't know why, you know, but this is my, this is, this is my personal decision.
00:37:42I don't want to watch that much, that much.
00:37:44Simple as that.
00:37:45You know, you've, uh, where this government is concerned, where narratives are concerned,
00:37:49where perception is concerned from somebody who was the favorite whipping boy of this government,
00:37:53you turned into, uh, you know, A at some point of time called the team B of the BJP or the poster boy now,
00:38:02where you're sometimes called Pakistan ka doola.
00:38:05And then when you went on to this delegation suddenly appropriated by most right-wingers as well.
00:38:09Who cares?
00:38:10You don't care.
00:38:11I don't care.
00:38:12Doesn't make a difference to you.
00:38:13Doesn't make a difference to me.
00:38:14So what?
00:38:15They can, and I see, see, I don't need a certificate, uh, uh, from someone, anyone from, from the BJP side
00:38:25or from the so-called secular parties.
00:38:29Who cares?
00:38:30I, I, what I feel is right, what my party has decided will do it.
00:38:35I cannot, uh, unnecessarily waste my life, my, the precious years of my life,
00:38:40on, on thinking what they will think and what they will think or who will get upset.
00:38:47Who cares?
00:38:48You know, as long as my conscience is clear, as long as my party, uh, has taken a decision,
00:38:53we'll abide by it.
00:38:54So I think, so that has been, uh, what I have done in my life.
00:38:59And I, I don't care about people talk about me.
00:39:02You were a part of the delegations, uh, OVC sahab.
00:39:04Do you think, uh, the delegations that you, uh, you were the one which went to Bahrain,
00:39:09Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and multiple ones. Did they, were they fruitful?
00:39:14Let me ask that question. Because it was a topic of conversation in parliament as well.
00:39:18You see, this question has been asked by people who, who, who generally, uh, feel that this whole delegation thing was a drama.
00:39:28What do you feel?
00:39:29See, diplomacy is not a day's work.
00:39:33True.
00:39:34You know, you, we are all members of parliament. We are not MEA.
00:39:39Uh, you know, I'm not a joint secretary or, uh, or a foreign secretary or in charge of that Gulf region.
00:39:46Uh, we, neither of us were ministers.
00:39:48Mm-hmm.
00:39:49We were members of parliament.
00:39:50And we went there, uh, to present the view of our country.
00:39:56We didn't go there as part of a BJP delegation. We went there as a part of a delegation.
00:40:03Was your delegation a success? Would you say you came back?
00:40:08No, I know. You see, success in diplomacy is very subjective.
00:40:12Now, what defines success? Now, some, some would say no.
00:40:18But when we went to Bahrain, you see example, now Bahrain is now a non-permanent member of security council.
00:40:25So, as a country, we would require their help in bringing Pakistan and FATF, which in 2018, they helped us.
00:40:34But subsequently.
00:40:36Bahrain has a fifth fleet, American fifth fleet over there.
00:40:39And Bahrain, uh, has been a victim of, of some, uh, internal problems they had.
00:40:46And we have historical relationship with Bahrain.
00:40:50Bahrain, you have, what, 3, 3.5 lakh Indians working over there.
00:40:55Uh, if we went to Kuwait, Kuwait, uh, again, nearly million of, million Indians work over there.
00:41:04And these are all GCC countries, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, which have great influence over Pakistan.
00:41:11Mm-hmm.
00:41:12And then we went to, uh, we met, uh, in, in Bahrain, we met, uh, the lower house, uh, speaker.
00:41:20Mm-hmm.
00:41:21Who studied in Bengaluru.
00:41:22Were you successfully able to deliver India's message?
00:41:26I think so, all of us.
00:41:27Yeah.
00:41:28It was headed by Jay Panda, who did a very good job.
00:41:30And all of us, uh, did present, uh, you know, uh, our view about terrorism being perpetrated by Pakistan in India.
00:41:39So, it should have been done.
00:41:41These delegations should have been sent and you're of the opinion that…
00:41:43Yeah, these delegations, I think so, they met their target.
00:41:45This delegation should have also gone to Bangladesh and Nepal as well, which unfortunately, we, which we didn't went.
00:41:51Mm-hmm.
00:41:52We should have also gone to Iran and, and Turkey as well.
00:41:55Turkey also.
00:41:56Mm-hmm.
00:41:57In fact, uh, I mean, uh, when I was selected, initially, this group was supposed to go to Europe, Germany, and…
00:42:05Right.
00:42:06They're Britain, but I think it was changed.
00:42:09So, I spoke to Kiran Rajivju and I said, why don't you also, uh, send us to, uh, Turkey?
00:42:16He said, no, this is not, and he was right.
00:42:19He said, this has been decided, it's too late.
00:42:21But I think with this, we should have also gone to Bangladesh, we should have also gone to Nepal.
00:42:25Uh, why not?
00:42:26Why not?
00:42:27When you, so, for example, we went to Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
00:42:31Can you believe that Minister of State, uh, Foreign Affairs, Mr. Adil Jubeir spoke to this delegation.
00:42:37We had, uh, you know, uh, differing views for nearly two hours.
00:42:44Two hours.
00:42:46And when, when, when I hear people saying, ah, what was the purpose?
00:42:50An MOS of, uh, who, who, who was earlier of the Foreign Minister of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
00:42:57He sat with us, with his, uh, team, and spoke to his delegation for two hours.
00:43:03But there was a difference.
00:43:05We, we didn't talk about how weather is hot in Riyadh.
00:43:08You know, we didn't talk about how weather is in India.
00:43:11But we talked about what Pakistan is doing.
00:43:13They had their own view.
00:43:14Fair point.
00:43:15They had their own questions.
00:43:17And they, they, and we, we, we had, we were very much instrumental in, in exposing this false propaganda of Pakistan that in, that, uh, Pakistan is Islamic country and India, India is a Hindu country.
00:43:32Despite BJP wanting India to make a Hindu country.
00:43:35We had, we had told them.
00:43:36Do you think.
00:43:37This is not, this is not the case because our constitution celebrates all the religion.
00:43:43We told them this is our constitution.
00:43:45We know we represent, you know, we have, you had, uh, three or three BJP members.
00:43:50I said, we might be different ideology, but India's constitution is a supreme document.
00:43:57And Pakistan cannot take this claim of, oh, we are the Muslim country.
00:44:01You have what, what, uh, seven, 16 crore Muslims living in India.
00:44:05Yes.
00:44:06We, we, we, when they asked us, what about the issues you are facing?
00:44:09I said, with the, you know, I, I, I will not sit here and say something different.
00:44:13The world has become very, very small place because of all these videos, news and everybody comes out.
00:44:19But end of the day, we are here to, uh, to tell you, to request you, uh, to ensure that at least tell Pakistan that stop this terrorism, stop, close down their terror camps.
00:44:31Right.
00:44:32If kingdom of Saudi Arabia has given them, what, three billion loan.
00:44:36Now they intend to give another seven, eight billion dollar, uh, billion loan.
00:44:42So it's okay.
00:44:43And then Riyadh is a, is, is a place where I think so they have this Islamic country counter-terrorism organization.
00:44:5240 Muslim countries are part of it. I said, you are, you are hosting this place. More responsibility on you.
00:45:00We reminded them, uh, how in 2001 Al-Qaeda bombed Riyadh. The Houthis are sending missiles to RM4.
00:45:07So, so diplomacy is a slow walk. You've got to constantly.
00:45:12Slow or no work is different now. Now that's a different question, but we went to Algeria.
00:45:18The Algerians were so warm to us because the, the NFL office was opened in New Delhi in 1950.
00:45:24Nehru stood up in general assembly and said, self-determination should be given to Algerians.
00:45:30They have great respect for India. And they lost 50,000 Algerians with what they call as black decade from 1990 to 2000.
00:45:39And we require Algerian support also in, in Pakistan FATF.
00:45:44So now if, if someone says, oh, this is not successful, I, I, I cannot change their mind.
00:45:50I, we, we didn't went and it was all, oh, someone, someone said, oh, are ye toh phir rahe hai.
00:45:55OVC sahab. These are all night flights, you know, there's no time you land.
00:46:00And then you're given this, Palli jiye, read it and, and you go inside.
00:46:05We, we, we, we see, we are politicians. We are not MEA staff. Maybe the, I, I, I, once I had foreign secretary.
00:46:11He said, I just ran from this country and I'm entering the, I'm a part of, member of the standing committee for, on external affairs.
00:46:18So, you know, it was, it was hard work.
00:46:21I'm sure it was hard work. I want to ask you something because you, you talk about the constitution of the country.
00:46:27You talk, you know, especially in context of the message that you took to the other countries on your delegation.
00:46:33The question I want to ask you OVC sahab is that legally, of course, we are not.
00:46:37But do you think we are moving towards being a Hindu rashtra otherwise?
00:46:39BJP, that is the innermost desire of RSS and BJP to make this country a theocratic country.
00:46:45What is Hindu rashtra? Where is Hindu rashtra mentioned in the constitution of India?
00:46:50I, are we going towards, is that the path we are walking?
00:46:53That is, that is their utmost desire. That is their main objective.
00:46:59But as long as the constitution that was given by Bhavasa Vambedkar,
00:47:04it is going to be difficult for them, but they keep on uttering this word, Hindu rashtra.
00:47:10How do you make Hindu rashtra? Then what about right to equality?
00:47:13What about freedom of religion? What about article 29, article 30, article 26?
00:47:19How do you do it? But they are hell bent on doing it.
00:47:23And they have, you are, they have created a successful ecosystem wherein they are winning elections.
00:47:31What do you make of the Home Minister saying there is nothing called Hindu terror?
00:47:35Especially after Malik Gowen that's been established.
00:47:37You have to remember that statement which, which Mr. Amitsha made.
00:47:42When was it made? And on 31st of July, a judgment came on the Malik Gowen 2008 blast.
00:47:52I'm not saying it's a coincidence, but who killed Mahatma Gandhi?
00:47:57Who killed Indra Gandhi? Who killed Rajiv Gandhi?
00:48:02You know, who's killing the police in the jungles of Chattisgarh or Jharkhand or Den Andhra Pradesh?
00:48:11Who killed the Sikhs in the streets of Delhi?
00:48:17Now, it is completely wrong on its part to say that this is not the religion.
00:48:26Well, terrorism has become a new religion.
00:48:29And these terrorists do all these acts in the name of religion.
00:48:33But these are all facts. You know, how can one run away from it?
00:48:40Whether anyone does it from this religion or that religion,
00:48:44that religion does not permit you to do it in their name.
00:48:47But to stand up and say this in the parliament,
00:48:51maybe he has forgotten who killed Mahatma Gandhi.
00:48:54He was the first terrorist. Mr. Goetse was the first terrorist of independent India.
00:49:00There's an election that is coming in, Mr. Ruvesi.
00:49:05You did fairly well the last time in that election,
00:49:08which many would suggest toppled a possible government formation
00:49:12of the Mahagatbandhan in the state of Bihar.
00:49:14I want to ask you not to align with the India parties or the Gatbandhan parties
00:49:20or with anyone. Is it by choice that you wish not to align with them?
00:49:23First of all, we didn't topple a government.
00:49:26No, not topple. It didn't happen because they said because they just couldn't.
00:49:29Now this I have, I am again telling you and people who make this.
00:49:34Team B of the BJP claim.
00:49:36Who make this false accusation. We contested 19 assembly seats as part of an alliance with Mr. Kushwaha.
00:49:43Right.
00:49:44We happened to win five seats. Nine seats were won by the India Alliance, by the RJD Plus Alliance.
00:49:55The remaining six were won by the India Alliance. Now if you take those nine seats which the RJD Alliance had won,
00:50:02and looked at the oaths which MIM had got, they would have won still.
00:50:07The six seats which the India Alliance had won.
00:50:11You've said this before. Yeah.
00:50:13Doesn't make a difference.
00:50:14Doesn't make sense.
00:50:15So, how is it that, when you are saying that, when people make the allegations, why are you contesting?
00:50:23Of being team B of the BJP.
00:50:25I will contest wherever I want. This is what democracy is.
00:50:28You've said that before. Yeah.
00:50:29But unfortunately, you have to keep on reiterating it, so that some cell in their brain will open up and accept the truth.
00:50:37Are you looking to ally with anyone in Bihar or Bengal?
00:50:42In this election, with the forthcoming election, our state president, Mr. Akhtarul Liman Uzaymele,
00:50:48has written a letter to the RJD leadership to Mr. Lal Rupasar Yadav.
00:50:54He had met some of the senior leaders also that have an alliance with us.
00:51:01We also want BJP to be defeated or India to be defeated and they should not, they shouldn't come back in power in Bihar.
00:51:08Now, it is up to them to react.
00:51:11And let me remind you that when the India Alliance say, they say that what happened in Maharashtra was a murder of democracy.
00:51:21What happened in Karnataka and Madhya Pradesh, they say it's a murder of democracy.
00:51:26Then why did you take away my four MLAs? What was that? A Gandhian act, is it?
00:51:35Now, when it happens to you, it is murder of democracy.
00:51:39But when you take away with the same method which BJP has done in Maharashtra, you call it, what do you call it? A sacred act?
00:51:49No, you cannot have these two, you know, this hypocrisy should end.
00:51:56Now, you do it, it is great. When other does it, you say, oh, this is end of democracy. How can that be possible?
00:52:05Would you look at an alliance in Bengal as well? It's coming.
00:52:09No, no, Bengal is still far away. I mean, right now, the immediate election would be Bihar.
00:52:16And especially in the light of SIR, I think so it's going to be a huge turbulent time.
00:52:22People aren't realizing this SIR would be a great loss to the poor people of Bihar, irrespective of which religion or caste they belong to.
00:52:31And in my opinion, this provisional list which has come out, which has said.
00:52:35The first draft.
00:52:36Yeah, which says that, okay, some 60 odd lakhs have been gone. Some have died. Okay, fine, I understand that.
00:52:43And then secondly, they say that people have shifted. Thirdly, they say that double entry.
00:52:49Now the provisional list.
00:52:51Their naming Tejasvi Yadar was one of them. Two epic numbers.
00:52:54Now that is for him to answer which one is.
00:52:58Fair point, yeah.
00:52:59Now, in the provisional voter list, which is there, there will be more deletion of voters, I'm telling you.
00:53:05Why? Because 25th July was the last date of submitting of forms.
00:53:1110-12 days before, the ECI said, we are just taking forms, don't give us documents.
00:53:17Now tomorrow, the ECI can say that people only gave us forms. They didn't give us documents. That's why the name is deleted.
00:53:25Fair point.
00:53:26So now, and this provisional list, it doesn't, if I read it, it doesn't tells me which, which voter has given his document, which voter has not given the document.
00:53:36Fair point.
00:53:37I feel that we are in for a bad time. I hope when it comes in Supreme Court, you know, something would be done. Otherwise, denying people the right to vote.
00:53:47Supreme Court really hasn't done anything yet. They are just hearing the matter.
00:53:49They have said those three documents and last hearing they said epic card and Aadhaar should be allowed. But where is the list of double entry? You know, the ECI should give, okay, these are the names of double entry.
00:54:04Publish the names, make it public. You know, these are the names of people who have not given documents. Then we can go and tell them, see, when ECI is giving a press note today, oh, these state parties, national parties, no one has given objection.
00:54:17How would I give objection? How would I give objection when I don't know how many have written documents? How will I give objection when I don't know how many have really died or double entry?
00:54:26What do you make of the threat? Right now, it is an empty threat. But what do you make of the threat of the opposition saying that they will boycott the Bihar elections?
00:54:36I don't believe in all these things. These are all…
00:54:39Jumlas.
00:54:40Not jumlas. Jumla belongs to BJP. These are all empty, empty rhetorical statements, you know. These are all statements which will never materialize.
00:54:53You don't agree? You don't think they should boycott the election?
00:54:57Boycott election? Let them do it then. We'll see. I will definitely contest.
00:55:04You will contest.
00:55:05Yeah, I will contest. Because for me, you know, contesting election is very important to register my voice to ensure that this is the support I have.
00:55:15Fair point.
00:55:16I don't have. But to say we will not fight. Don't fight. Say it openly.
00:55:20I am going to take the last 5 minutes of your time, sir. And then I am going to let you go.
00:55:25The question I want to ask you is when you took oath as an MP in 2024, you ended with Jai Palestine.
00:55:32Was it something you thought about or you did it impromptu? Because it was criticized.
00:55:38You know, I have said it. It is there on record. And to inform you, I have written a letter to the Honorable Prime Minister yesterday asking him that India should adopt what other countries are doing in dropping aid from aircraft in Gaza.
00:55:59India should condemn the genocide which the Israeli government is doing on Palestine and Gaza and West Bank.
00:56:08And I have also written in that letter requesting and demanding this government that they must protect Masjid-i Aqsa, which is the third holiest place for the Muslim voice for Muslims.
00:56:22And I hope that the Prime Minister will respond because you cannot see you and me unfortunately or fortunately we didn't see the genocide of Jews done by Hitler.
00:56:34But the world is watching now the genocide which is being live telecast. You know, everything in Gaza has been finished. You know, those visuals of some British channels who could see from the aircraft.
00:56:52You have 20,000 children dead. You have 2,000 odd employees being shot to death. You have evidence of doctors who worked in Gaza saying that small children were used as target practices.
00:57:10You have 50,000 women right now pregnant with no medical facilities over there. I hope that my country's Prime Minister will rise up to education. He has to be on the right side of the history.
00:57:23India has always opposed oppression. India has always stood with the weakest. That has been the great tradition of our country since independence.
00:57:33And if at this point of time, the world wants to act as blind and deaf, history will not forget us. You know, there is a live genocide going on in Gaza which has to be stopped.
00:57:49And our government has enough influence over this Israeli government. And we must send aid to them. You know, this cannot be on end.
00:57:58Jai Palestine was thought of. That is to remind that India always stood with Palestine.
00:58:05Whether it was Gandhi or Nehru. You talk about the Jews and you talk about, you know, the atmosphere right now in Palestine.
00:58:13But you did compare Indian Muslims to Jews. Do you think that was a little far-fetched?
00:58:18No. No. If your daram sansas which have which have given permission and they ask for open killing and rape of Muslim women threatening.
00:58:35In fact, they've even threatened a union minister.
00:58:40And then you have this mob lynching by these so-called protectors of cow who are supported
00:58:49by the government.
00:58:50In fact, in the in the state of Haryana, they are given armed licenses.
00:58:55And who can forget the burning of those two boys of Rajasthan.
00:58:58Let's talk about genocide like Holocaust times during the of the Jews.
00:59:03Do you want, do you want actual genocide to happen or do you want to remind them this
00:59:07is how genocide happens.
00:59:09You have genocide experts who who has told us that what are the stages of genocide.
00:59:17Genocide Hitler didn't just send, you know, it started with, you know, it started with
00:59:22saying, oh, you live in different areas, they started with telling them to wear armband started
00:59:27them.
00:59:28So you're saying they're on that path.
00:59:30You never know.
00:59:31But but according to many genocide experts, you know, which are three four steps are there.
00:59:37If the government of the day does not puts an end to all these mob lynching, all these
00:59:43targeted killings.
00:59:45And now what is happening in Maharashtra is seven West Bengal Muslims were picked up from
00:59:55Bhivandi and thrown inside Bangladesh area just because they happen to speak Bengali.
01:00:04How can you how can you do that?
01:00:06What right has the police got?
01:00:07What right has the police got?
01:00:08There is a system in place.
01:00:11If you find anyone a foreign national, you have to inform the the BSF SP.
01:00:15He in turn informs the three officers in MHA.
01:00:19They take a decision.
01:00:20Then he's sent to a foreigners tribunal.
01:00:22Who are you?
01:00:23You are just picking up anyone who's speaking Bengali.
01:00:26You have made a detention center in Gurugram.
01:00:30What is that?
01:00:31Just because they happen they happen to be Muslims and they speak Bengali language.
01:00:36You know, there are so many instances which are incidents which have happened.
01:00:40So this has to end, you know, this if India has to become a Vishwa guru, which which everyone
01:00:44wants.
01:00:45You cannot become a Vishwa guru by targeting the minorities of this country.
01:00:49I'm going to ask you three quick questions.
01:00:52How does a Saduddin Ovesi unwind?
01:00:54I'm sure you have fun.
01:00:55You play cricket.
01:00:56Do you watch films?
01:00:57Do you read a book?
01:00:58I say I'm sorry, but I don't understand this word unwind.
01:01:02What is that one word?
01:01:03Okay, what do you do which is not religious in nature, which is not academic in nature?
01:01:08How?
01:01:09Do you watch films?
01:01:10No, no.
01:01:11I'm sorry, but I don't understand this.
01:01:13Many people are.
01:01:14How do you chill out?
01:01:15What do you unwind?
01:01:16What is it?
01:01:17I mean, do your work your normal?
01:01:19Do you watch films?
01:01:20No.
01:01:21Why should I watch?
01:01:22No.
01:01:23Everyone watches films.
01:01:24No, no, no.
01:01:25There was some point of time in my life which I don't watch now.
01:01:29Does your family find you boring then?
01:01:30No.
01:01:31You don't watch films?
01:01:32No, not at all.
01:01:33You don't watch OTT?
01:01:34No, not at all.
01:01:35Nothing.
01:01:36Music you listen to?
01:01:37See, these are parameters which will appeal to you.
01:01:42It doesn't appeal to me.
01:01:43What is it and why?
01:01:44The work I'm doing for the people.
01:01:46Do you travel?
01:01:47Do you take holidays?
01:01:48No.
01:01:49Of course.
01:01:50You go for a holiday with your family.
01:01:52No.
01:01:53I spend as much time I can spend with my family.
01:01:56Do they find you boring?
01:01:57No, not at all.
01:01:58They find me the most interesting father.
01:02:00Oh, that's what they tell you.
01:02:01No, no, no.
01:02:02No, no.
01:02:03Not at all.
01:02:04Not at all.
01:02:05They find me, you know, most interesting.
01:02:07They are happy.
01:02:08I don't know why this whole thing of unwind.
01:02:10See, if you keep on making up these words, then you are going towards a psychiatrist.
01:02:18Okay.
01:02:19Tell me.
01:02:20When was the last time you took a holiday?
01:02:22When was the last time you took a holiday?
01:02:23Did you go out of like anywhere?
01:02:24So my children had come to Delhi.
01:02:25That was a great time.
01:02:26That's a holiday.
01:02:27When was the last time Hassaduddin O.C. took a holiday?
01:02:30No.
01:02:31I went for an…
01:02:32Sightseeing.
01:02:33No, no.
01:02:34I went for an umbra with my family during Ramzan for 5-6 days.
01:02:38That was great.
01:02:39So that's religious in nature.
01:02:40No, but you see, the important…
01:02:42See, what I believe in is that every breath you take in this place, you have to take a
01:02:52breath you take in this world.
01:02:54You must thank your almighty.
01:02:55You don't watch TV at all?
01:02:56No, but what is there to watch in TV with…
01:02:59We have 6 p.m. nationalists, 9 p.m. nationalists…
01:03:02Who's telling you to watch news?
01:03:04But what is there to watch apart from a great…
01:03:06I'll tell you a couple of really good shows which are streaming right now.
01:03:09No, no.
01:03:10I'm sorry.
01:03:11I don't want to take anyone's opinion.
01:03:13I'll watch what I have to watch.
01:03:15I agree.
01:03:16The important thing is that you perform your duty as a parliamentarian…
01:03:21You don't even listen to music?
01:03:23I don't know what…
01:03:24I don't know.
01:03:25I don't…
01:03:26I'm not really an introvert.
01:03:27There's some…
01:03:28One point of time, many, many years ago, maybe my teenagers…
01:03:30That I don't find really interesting.
01:03:32Are you…
01:03:33Is there a book that you read?
01:03:34Are you reading?
01:03:35Yeah, yeah.
01:03:36Of course, of course.
01:03:37Okay, tell me the book that you're reading right now.
01:03:38No, no.
01:03:39For me, it's very important to read newspapers.
01:03:41Now you can read on your phone.
01:03:43You know, books…
01:03:45Yes.
01:03:46Yes.
01:03:47I'll tell you how you unwind.
01:03:48You watch cricket.
01:03:49Sports.
01:03:50I don't call it unwind, you know.
01:03:51Okay, I won't use the word unwind.
01:03:53Why?
01:03:54Why should…
01:03:55What is there to…
01:03:56So, you like watching cricket.
01:03:57See, for me, you see, when…
01:03:58When I pray, I get up and pray, that is where I feel really refreshed.
01:04:03Five times a day, you pray and, you know, you try to connect yourself with your maker.
01:04:09That is the most important thing for me.
01:04:12That is what is very, very important for me, that I should not miss my prayers.
01:04:15Is that…
01:04:16You know, and then you read newspapers.
01:04:18You do…
01:04:19So, for example, I was coming to your show.
01:04:21There was this one of my old party workers.
01:04:23I said, sir, I have been ill for many days.
01:04:25And then something happened.
01:04:26Immediately, we went and helped him.
01:04:29That gives the satisfaction.
01:04:30This is good.
01:04:31You know, we have done something good.
01:04:33Have you never taken a holiday, OVC sahab?
01:04:35No, I don't…
01:04:36See, holiday, you have to work, isn't it?
01:04:38Why do you have to work on a holiday?
01:04:39No, no.
01:04:40You go out, you look at beautiful things.
01:04:42You look at some historical buildings.
01:04:44Of course, the world is beautiful.
01:04:45Have a nice lunch.
01:04:46In my opinion, the creator has made this world beautiful.
01:04:50So, you watch it.
01:04:51Yeah, and you are telling me your kids really think this is very interesting.
01:04:55Because I would think then my father is very boring.
01:04:57Not at all.
01:04:58You must come to my home and speak to them.
01:04:59You know, I will invite you.
01:05:00Have dinner with me.
01:05:01And you will be…
01:05:02You will be…
01:05:03You will be…
01:05:04You will be…
01:05:05No, not at all.
01:05:06Not at all.
01:05:07Not at all.
01:05:08See, everyone is different.
01:05:09Of course, we…
01:05:10It's not like…
01:05:11You allow your kids to do all of this?
01:05:12Of course.
01:05:13So, they are allowed to go out for holidays.
01:05:14They are allowed to watch whatever they want.
01:05:16Of course, you don't know.
01:05:17They…
01:05:18You are so private about your private life.
01:05:19Yes, I am private.
01:05:20They…
01:05:21They…
01:05:22They…
01:05:23They follow…
01:05:24The Islamic way of life.
01:05:25They wear their hijab and burqa.
01:05:27But we go…
01:05:28We lead normal lives.
01:05:29We need…
01:05:30We go out…
01:05:31Have…
01:05:32Once in a month.
01:05:33Good place.
01:05:34One of my daughters decide we have to go and eat there.
01:05:36See, that's all.
01:05:37I am saying…
01:05:38So, you are doing all of this?
01:05:39So, that is not unwind.
01:05:40That is…
01:05:41Okay, I will not say unwind.
01:05:42See, that is part of what a family does.
01:05:44That's a normal thing for a family.
01:05:45Have you kept your personal life this private because you wanted to or they wanted to?
01:05:50No, but what has my personal life got to do with my…
01:05:53You are a public figure.
01:05:54Of course, I am a public figure.
01:05:55I am not denying it.
01:05:56But why should I put it forward?
01:05:59Can the Prime Minister put forward his personal life?
01:06:01No.
01:06:02That's his choice.
01:06:03Exactly.
01:06:04So, that's your choice.
01:06:05Of course.
01:06:06Is it their choice?
01:06:07See, I cannot make decisions…
01:06:09I will tell you why.
01:06:10Because my entire research team went at length to find pictures of Asad Udin Ovesi with his family.
01:06:16Sir, we have only found two.
01:06:17But why do you want to see their photographs?
01:06:19No, I am just asking.
01:06:20No, no.
01:06:21Why should…
01:06:22Why should my children's photographs should be there over there?
01:06:26You know, I live with my wife, my children.
01:06:29My mother is alive.
01:06:31Alhamdulillah.
01:06:32My brothers are there.
01:06:33Good.
01:06:34That is good enough.
01:06:35But why should this side of my life should be the priority?
01:06:39People don't vote for me on that.
01:06:41People vote for me whether I am available to them or not.
01:06:44Whether I am responding to their needs.
01:06:46Whether I am raising what is innermost in their mind.
01:06:49Whether I am helping them in times of crisis.
01:06:52Is it your wife's own free choice that she has decided to take and adopt the kind of life that she is, which is taking a backseat?
01:06:59I am not being in the backseat.
01:07:01I have very bad days as a husband as well.
01:07:03You are?
01:07:04Which is what?
01:07:05There are many things.
01:07:06Why should I?
01:07:07So, she does tell you.
01:07:08Yeah, of course.
01:07:09Of course.
01:07:10It is normal in a married life.
01:07:11It is normal.
01:07:12You are not normal.
01:07:13You are not normal.
01:07:14No, no.
01:07:15I am saying married life.
01:07:16Of course.
01:07:17These are things.
01:07:18But I try to perform my duty as much as possible as a good husband, good father, good politician.
01:07:28There are some good days.
01:07:29There are some bad days.
01:07:31But so be it.
01:07:32You keep on trying it.
01:07:33So, you know, nobody is perfect including me.
01:07:36So, that's it.
01:07:37My final question, sir.
01:07:38And this I will ask because you have been very vocal in a votary of equality where Islam is concerned.
01:07:44Do you think Islam is equal where women come to being?
01:07:49Tell me which religion.
01:07:50I am asking.
01:07:51It is a question.
01:07:52No, no.
01:07:53Islam is the only religion which said that you have to give a share in your father's property to your sister, to your daughter, to your wife.
01:08:03Till that time, the world never did.
01:08:06Any religion, please show me a scripture.
01:08:10No one did it.
01:08:12And in fact, people don't know much about Islam.
01:08:15That is why they form all these wrong opinions.
01:08:18Even during prophet's time, you had a woman going out and working as nurses.
01:08:22Even during the great caliph Umar ibn Khattab.
01:08:26He had a…
01:08:27Are you pro-choice if a woman doesn't want to wear hijab?
01:08:30It's up to them.
01:08:31Or cover her head.
01:08:32It's up to them.
01:08:33You are pro-choice with that.
01:08:34Who is going to force them in a democracy?
01:08:36But if someone…
01:08:37But are you personally pro-choice?
01:08:39No, no.
01:08:40But at the same time, when someone wears it, don't demean them.
01:08:45Of course not. I agree.
01:08:47That's what I am saying.
01:08:48100%.
01:08:49So, you know, please remember that I cannot live up to your standards.
01:08:53And I don't want you to live up to my standards.
01:08:55Fair point.
01:08:56Right?
01:08:57It's your life. This is my life.
01:08:58But unfortunately, we have this 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 things that,
01:09:04Oh, if you do this, you are very forward-looking.
01:09:07You will progress in life.
01:09:09Oh, you are very open.
01:09:10You are not oppressive.
01:09:12How do you know?
01:09:13A woman wearing a hijab got a Nobel Prize from Yemen.
01:09:16I agree.
01:09:17I agree. 100%.
01:09:18So, this is it.
01:09:19So, of course…
01:09:20So, pro-choice.
01:09:21Of course, it's your choice.
01:09:22No one…
01:09:23You cannot impose your views on anyone.
01:09:25Who are your friends in parliament, sir?
01:09:27My friends?
01:09:28Do you like sit and chat with somebody?
01:09:30I have many friends.
01:09:31I have many friends.
01:09:32I don't call…
01:09:33Where you sit and eat lunch.
01:09:34What's your…
01:09:35Do you eat at the canteen?
01:09:36Because that's…
01:09:37You know, we ask a lot of parliamentarians that.
01:09:38You enjoy something in this new parliament?
01:09:39No.
01:09:40I have only very…
01:09:41I mean, so nowadays, a lot of these Andhra MPs, they bring their food.
01:09:46Do they share their food with you?
01:09:48Of course, they tell me, size and self, give me…
01:09:51Just give me that curd rice.
01:09:53Because I try to eat as much as I can in my home.
01:09:57Do you like the new parliament building?
01:10:01I mean, they are good and bad about it.
01:10:03They are good…
01:10:04Something you like, something you miss about the old parliament.
01:10:07The old parliament…
01:10:08I don't know what it was that old parliament had lot of, you know, life in it.
01:10:14That old parliament…
01:10:15You know, history as well.
01:10:16History.
01:10:17Yeah.
01:10:18History.
01:10:19And you felt really happy that, oh, here, those great political stalwarts stood over here and made those great statements, legislations.
01:10:32So this new parliament is huge.
01:10:33You know, it's good.
01:10:34It's good.
01:10:35But that old charm…
01:10:37Do you have a sense of humor?
01:10:39Do you crack jokes?
01:10:40Why…
01:10:41I'm asking.
01:10:42I don't know.
01:10:43You look so serious.
01:10:44I don't know.
01:10:45I cannot be a…
01:10:46I'm a politician.
01:10:47I cannot be…
01:10:48Okay.
01:10:49Do you have a sense of humor in parliament?
01:10:50I don't know.
01:10:51I don't know.
01:10:52The last one who had a great sense of humor, unfortunately, who left politics was Tathagat Satpati.
01:11:03He was…
01:11:04I don't know.
01:11:05It's a great loss for our democracy.
01:11:07I don't know why he left, but whenever I speak to him, I tell him, boss will miss you.
01:11:14You must come back.
01:11:15Who else do you crack a joke with?
01:11:16No, but Tathagat had that innate ability to say a…
01:11:22give a serious speech, criticize the government and then a crack a joke on the government.
01:11:27And it took a while for the government to understand that this man has hit us badly.
01:11:31That was Tathagat for you.
01:11:33In the current lot, like you'd sit and have a cup of tea, coffee with anyone?
01:11:37There are many good MPs.
01:11:38Who do you…
01:11:39From the treasury benches, tell me, who do you get involved with?
01:11:41No, no.
01:11:42It is wrong to name any of them.
01:11:43And moreover…
01:11:44You are politically correct.
01:11:45Of course, I have to be politically correct.
01:11:46Because, you know, the present political environment is such that drills will be…
01:11:51Oh, he is very close to him.
01:11:53I think…
01:11:54I went on a delegation.
01:11:55So, you have made him.
01:11:56I am very close to him.
01:11:58So, you know…
01:11:59Some photograph comes…
01:12:00I met Smriti Rani with the weavers of Bivandi and Malay Gaon.
01:12:05Malay Gaon.
01:12:06Oh, he is part of that.
01:12:07I went and met Giriraj Singh.
01:12:09With…
01:12:10How does…
01:12:11Your conversation with Giriraj Singh…
01:12:12No, Giriraj Singh is…
01:12:13You'd say that you said what you said before.
01:12:14No, no.
01:12:15No, no.
01:12:16Giriraj Singh is a minister for textiles.
01:12:17I know.
01:12:18Yeah.
01:12:19The delegation of my Malay Gaon MLA with the Malay Gaon elders.
01:12:22We met him.
01:12:23We gave him a whole representation.
01:12:24You know, he sat for us for one hour.
01:12:27One hour.
01:12:29And he understood the needs of the Malay Gaon.
01:12:34I never thought Giriraj Singh and Osaduddin Ovesi…
01:12:36No, he is a minister.
01:12:37You see.
01:12:38He is a minister.
01:12:39Who should I go and meet then?
01:12:40I know.
01:12:41I am just asking.
01:12:42No, no.
01:12:43I am asking.
01:12:44He is a minister.
01:12:45I have all the right to go and tell him.
01:12:46Of course.
01:12:47So, we went and met him.
01:12:48Someone took out for…
01:12:49Oh, look.
01:12:50He is a minister.
01:12:51I have to go and meet him.
01:12:53You know, I have to ask him to protect the power loom industry of Malay Gaon.
01:12:58Do you people embarrass each other by saying, but you said that against me?
01:13:03Of course.
01:13:04Even in parliament, when I stand out to speak, I criticize him.
01:13:07That doesn't stop me from criticizing him, from disagreeing with his party's ideology.
01:13:11So, you have no fun.
01:13:12No fun with people in parliament.
01:13:13No, of course we have.
01:13:14Fun is also a word like unwind.
01:13:16It should not be used.
01:13:17No, but…
01:13:18Do you go to parliament for fun or you perform a duty?
01:13:21Why not?
01:13:22I go to work for working and do my duty, but I also have a little bit of fun.
01:13:26I jibe my producer.
01:13:27I sit with somebody else.
01:13:28Good for you.
01:13:29Good for you.
01:13:30You don't do it.
01:13:31But you see, I don't know what…
01:13:33You know, you go to parliament, you meet people.
01:13:36Right.
01:13:37You meet your…
01:13:38Tell me friends.
01:13:39Last question.
01:13:40Three, four friends.
01:13:41There are many friends.
01:13:42There are many friends.
01:13:43There are many friends.
01:13:44In what?
01:13:45In parliament?
01:13:46There are many friends.
01:13:47I name them and…
01:13:48Okay.
01:13:49And…
01:13:50Unnecessary.
01:13:51Otherwise, you didn't mention my name.
01:13:52Okay.
01:13:53Am I your enemy?
01:13:54So, you…
01:13:55See, these are all our political opponents.
01:13:57Fair point.
01:13:58The day someone wants to say, I will kill you, then I'll say, oh, he's my enemy.
01:14:02But these are all political opponents.
01:14:04We don't agree with their ideology.
01:14:06You know, we will oppose them.
01:14:08We will continue to oppose them.
01:14:10So, there are many Congress leaders who are still good friends of mine.
01:14:14Despite me opposing them, they opposing me.
01:14:17You know, so when they come and tell me, I crack a joke with them.
01:14:21Remember, I'm a B team and this and so.
01:14:23So, this goes on.
01:14:24So, that B team is a joke.
01:14:25Not a joke.
01:14:26But you see, you are, you see, 540 odd MPs.
01:14:31You're sitting in this grand, big hall.
01:14:34Such a massive hall.
01:14:36I agree.
01:14:37You know, you…
01:14:38We don't even know which is…
01:14:39It takes you at least a month to realize that, oh, this is an MP.
01:14:42This is an MP.
01:14:43So, it takes time.
01:14:44Well, sir, I thank you for joining us.
01:14:47I won't say unwind, but maybe take some time out to do other things.
01:14:50Have fun.
01:14:51I'm sorry.
01:14:52I don't need your advice on what I do.
01:14:54How rude also.
01:14:55I don't need your advice.
01:14:56That's fine, sir.
01:14:57But thank you for joining us.
01:14:59I really appreciate it.
Comments