IANS के साथ फिल्ममेकर गौरी दत्त और करुणा दत्त ने ग्रांडफादर 'गुरु दत्त' की फिल्म 'प्यासा' के थिएटर में री-रिलीज को लेकर अपनी खुशी जाहिर की। बता दें, गुरु दत्त बॉलीवुड जगत के दिग्गज कलाकार थे। दोनों ही सिस्टर्स ने गुरु दत्त के साथ उनके फादर की कुछ प्यारी यादों को शेयर किया। फिल्ममेकर्स ने बताया कि फिल्म प्यासा उनके लिए काफी खास थी। उन्होंने गुरु दत्त की आदतों के बारे में भी चर्चा की और बताया कि उनको खाना बनाना काफी पसंद था। वहीं, गौरी और करूणा ने गुरु दत्त की निजी जिंदगी से लेकर फिल्म इंडस्ट्री में उनकी पहचान और दोस्तों से उनके रिलेशन के बारे में भी बताया।
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00:00Welcome to INES and you both as I have said off camera also that it's my privilege to speak to both of you
00:09and first of all we would like to know that how does it feel that your grandfather's film set is getting re-released
00:17seven great movies of Guru Dasar is getting re-released and how are you going to celebrate it?
00:23Hi my name is Gauri, we are really really happy that Ultramedia has taken the initiative to you know re-release the seven films
00:39we are also as excited as his fans probably because we also have not seen some films in the theatre
00:46so it will be the first time for us also so we are very very excited, very happy
00:52yes I mean like hi I am Karuna like my sister said it's a matter of great pride
00:59itne saal o baad Ultramedia has taken this initiative to remember him on his 100th year
01:05it feels I think thoda sink in nahi hua hai, thoda thoda sink in ho raha hai, the gravity of what this experience is going to be
01:19but excited, we are very excited for it and extremely thankful that this has also happened to the fans
01:28because people remember them so fondly that somebody thought to take this initiative
01:35so very excited
01:37you are saying fans ki wajase and you both are into filmmaking
01:42yes
01:43and so do you meet people who are you know who are Gen Z or who are you know younger people who still remember Gurudat sir's movies and how do they remember if you have met them?
01:56so we do meet a lot of youngsters who are passionate about cinema
02:05a lot of them actually reach out to us on Instagram
02:08a couple of people have reached out to me
02:12where they have said ki main kisi bure vax se guzar raha tha and Piasa helped me in my hard times
02:22so I will always remember him and the kind of filmmaker that he was
02:26and everybody, mostly a lot of people their favourites are between Piasa and Kaagaskephool
02:35even in the younger generation
02:38but it is very very nice and surprising to see how well remembered he is through the newer generations also
02:47definitely
02:48what was your reaction when ULTRA media told you that they are going to re-release and how did you feel?
02:55I was I was again I was very happy I was very grateful that they are taking this initiative
03:02because a lot of times
03:04when they are screened in film festivals
03:08so its only in Delhi or only in Bombay
03:11this time its in 250 screens all across the country
03:14so a lot more people will have access to it
03:18and its not just one or two films its all seven films
03:21so definitely feels like a once in a lifetime
03:27even we don't know if it will ever happen
03:30so its definitely very very very exciting
03:34okay so I know Guru Datsa he passed away very very when he was very young
03:41but your father he must have shared his memories with Guru Datsa
03:47so can you please share a few of them
03:50so actually
03:51so actually
03:52so actually
03:53even my father was very young
03:57he has a lot more memories with our grandmother
04:02but there are certain things which he remembers
04:07both the children both the boys were quite scared of my grandfather
04:12because a he was a quiet person
04:15b he was also a disciplinarian
04:18so and the two children were quite angry
04:21they had a lot of fun in school
04:22they had a lot of fun in school
04:23they had a phone from the principal's office
04:25they had a lot of people who didn't go to school
04:29they had a lot of people who didn't go to school
04:30so they had a lot of people who had a lot of them
04:32so these are the kind of stories
04:35we have grown up listening to
04:39jaysay ki ek din my father apparently
04:44unko kisi shelf se kuch cheez nikal na tha
04:48aur neche hi fish tank padhi thi
04:50to unka pair unhonee fish tank pe rakha
04:53pura fish tank toot gaya
04:54to door se ghar pe awaz ai
04:58yaaron kya kar rahe ho
05:00so these are the stories
05:01that we have actually grown up listening to
05:03so there's one more incident of when they were
05:07they had gone to kachmir on a family vacation
05:10so they were on the boats
05:13and i think chacha and my dad were fighting a lot
05:16and they fell in the water
05:18so i think it's stories like that
05:20you know they were so naughty
05:22and so all those stories of
05:25how they used to spend time together as a family
05:28so off the camera you said that
05:31obviously everyone knows that he was work only
05:33how frequently did your dad
05:35tell you that
05:36they frequently will go to vacation kereh
05:38and family time and all that
05:40i think they would try as much as possible
05:43jaysay hi shoot
05:45ya koi project khatam hua
05:47they would definitely try and
05:49spend as much time with the children
05:52bahut baar jo letters
05:55wo dadi ko likte tha
05:57even in that he used to mention
05:59as soon as you know
06:01i'm done with this project
06:02we have to plan
06:03and we have to do things
06:04so his planning was always
06:06whether it was work or personal life
06:08there was always you know
06:11some of the other thing going on
06:13in the background
06:14actually they spent a lot of time
06:16we spent a lot of time
06:18in Lunawala
06:19me a farmhouse
06:20so my father had very fond memories of that
06:23there was a very basic farmhouse
06:28it wasn't a fancy bungalow or anything like that
06:33and my grandfather used to be very fond of
06:38that if there were chickens
06:40if there were eggs hatching
06:42then let the children involve
06:44that this is part of nature
06:47he would be very fond of growing vegetables
06:49and things like that
06:51so those are the kind of things he would try to
06:53you know get them interested in also
06:57about life and living
06:59so those are the kind of things that our father has told us
07:03he was also very fond of cooking
07:06please tell us more about it
07:08so when they used to go to the farmhouse and all
07:11he used to cook for them and all
07:12so these are and then
07:14these are small things that carried on even to dad
07:17like when even dad occasionally would you know
07:19when we were growing up cook for us and all
07:21so small small things that got carried forward down you know to us also
07:26anything specific that he liked cooking and you know about it
07:29no i don't think that as no specific dish that way was ever mentioned to us
07:35we know that he was fond of spicy food
07:37yeh hume bataya gaya hai umki sister ne hume bataya tha
07:41ki he was fond of spicy food
07:43but no particular dish as such
07:46he belonged to i mean Karnataka i think
07:49yes Mangalore
07:51yes
07:52so anything specific from Karnataka you know he cooked or do you remember?
07:58do you remember?
07:59i don't know whether he cooked but i know that one of his favourite dishes was something called song
08:05joh alu ki sabzi hai katti meethi
08:08and with red chillies
08:10that was one of his favourite dishes joh his sister had told us about it
08:16toh abhi bhi unke barsi peh hum hummara ki rivaaz hai ki hum birds ko khana khilate hain
08:23toh we try ke mangalorean dishes we offer as an offering toh song hum hummeseh offer karte hain
08:33yes it's a simple thing joh hummare father ne bhi kiya tha
08:46ke both our grandparents ke barsi peh we offer food for birds
08:52wo humm karte hain
08:53we were talking about letters that he wrote to your grandmother Vita ji
08:59uske waal kuch apne aapke aat mein chikthi lagye hai kuch pad hai aapne
09:03what were those letters anna?
09:05toh we have been very lucky ke our dad has preserved all the letters very nicely in fact
09:14they've been published into a book also few years ago it was published very limited copies
09:20but we have we have seen all the letters all the copies we absolutely love because that's
09:28the one thing that before it was published we were the only people who you know had access
09:34to that so it was very nice he would always humm in fact I remember ek chikthi joh unhone
09:41sirf bachcho ko address ki hai toh even when he was signing in the end
09:46unhone aase cartoon face draw kiya hai as well and so those are small things that you know
09:53ummm only if you see those things we know what nobody knows yeah
09:59and any more anything more that you remember about letters now?
10:03I remember this one thing ummm ke unhone likhha tha ke kaam toh sirf kaam hota hai
10:10uh coi kaam chota ya bada ni hota ur jo kaam nahi karta wo buddhu hota hai
10:17so I think it was his way of saying ke you have to work hard in life if you want to reach anywhere
10:22you can't just you know uh get anything easily you have to work hard in life
10:27he wrote this to your dad?
10:29yes dad and cha cha
10:31that's great your memory if you can share
10:34uh I it's similar things actually uh through the letters um you do uh see a sense of his longing for his family uh definitely uh I feel ke even though he was a workaholic there was a certain part of him that
10:51missed that uh greatly which uh for us is really nice to see because we never got to meet him
10:59so uh we know of him through these letters and the kind of person that he was
11:05toh unke har letter mein definitely mention of uh bache kainse hain I can't wait to see them
11:11that uh excitement of fatherhood was reflected definitely in all his letters
11:16when uh gurudhan sir and geetanam they started living separately to
11:21kaan rehte thi wo gita ji uh my family ke saath aur ye sar toh mumbai mein thai
11:27uh even uh she was in bombay only haan ji but they were living in separate houses
11:33okay so they communicated through letters
11:35uh nahi this is letters when uh uh very early on in his career and through his career when he would travel
11:42uh uh that uh you know come on uh script click ne chale gaya yeah location scout ke le chale gaya
11:47tob wo hemarei dadiji ko letter lekhtay the uh kei majaldi ya jaa humga fir saath may be
11:59they were separated, they would communicate through the telephone.
12:05You told me that he would go, because I have heard this, that he used to go to some,
12:11you know, very kind of samandar kinare or pahaan, you know, to write scripts and all.
12:17Tell us something more about it.
12:19I think that the kind of person that he was, actually we,
12:25nobody has actually shared this, any instance with us about it.
12:31But I think the kind of person that he was, he definitely enjoyed isolation.
12:38I think his creativity stemmed from it.
12:41So he would definitely go out a lot.
12:50And I think also the Lunabla farmhouse was definitely one of those places where he also seeked that isolation for his writing and all.
12:57I am not aware of any particular place that he may have gone to.
13:01But I know that he liked to go out for his writing.
13:04Definitely.
13:05Okay.
13:06And out of all movies of Gurudar sir, all are great.
13:10So we can't compare one with other.
13:12That I know.
13:13But if I ask both of you that, which of his movie have you watched, you know, multiple times or, you know,
13:21I think for me, actually it would be equal.
13:27I mean, Piasa and Kagaz Ke Pool we have seen a lot.
13:34My personal favourite is Kagaz Ke Pool.
13:37I also really, really love Mr. and Mrs. 55 because it's something completely different from the rest.
13:46But my personal favourite is Kagaz Ke Pool which I like watching again and again.
13:51I think the poetry and the pain and everything, it's something that's very close to my heart more than Piasa.
14:01Which is your favourite?
14:03My favourite would be Piasa and Mr. and Mrs. 55.
14:08Mr. and Mrs. 55 because I think that's the only film in which you get to see a light hearted side to him.
14:16So even for us as grandchildren, you see a different personality for him which is not associated with him.
14:24Because everybody, whoever talks about Gurudat, it is his intensity and his pain and, you know, how he was drawn to a disillusioned artist in that sense.
14:38Those are the words that are very commonly used about him.
14:41But which is why along with Piasa, I really, really like Mr. and Mrs. 55 because it's a light hearted, nice satire.
14:52Gurudat sir is one actor, producer, actor, producer, director, all into one.
14:59But at the same time, his personal life has also been into news and that you all know.
15:04When you meet people from the industry since both of you are from the same industry,
15:08do they ask you or, you know, any kind of piece of information that they want to extract?
15:15That I want to know.
15:16I think everybody is curious, definitely.
15:21But mostly, I think it's, you know, when you tell someone or when they find out our family connection,
15:30it's more their love for his work.
15:34It's more, you know, when I watched his films, this is what I felt or this is what I've learned from him.
15:40Not so much, at least in my experience, so much about his personal life.
15:47It's more about how, as a filmmaker, he affected, you know, their journey or how they perceived life.
15:55But you still read, because I have read so much about, you know, it's everywhere, videos, internet,
16:04and especially after the social media, there are so many stories that is floating around, that has been floating around.
16:10Does it affect you?
16:12I think maybe because we didn't meet him, we also have a little bit of separation from his life.
16:24I think even for us, he has also been as much of an enigma in that sense.
16:31And we have also kind of understood him outside looking in.
16:38Of course, as a family member, it feels a little weird if somebody wants to discuss his personal life at length,
16:50especially because he's not here to kind of speak about it or, you know, kind of give any statements about it.
16:58But it's not something I personally hold on to.
17:02Because people will talk about it.
17:06So, if you're going to talk about it, you won't be able to do anything.
17:11So, that is something that we also take with a little bit of a pinch of salt.
17:16But when you all were young, because I know that curiosity is because he is your grandfather.
17:22Right.
17:23So, when you read about him and all these stories, curiosity is very good.
17:28So, as a curious person, did you ever ask your dad about all these things?
17:33All these things that you have written about his personal life or relationships?
17:42You've always asked your father to tell you something like that
17:44No problem?
17:45Actually, the thing is that our upbringing, firstly we were raised in Pune, away from a lot of this, what would be inside film industry.
17:58industry. Our upbringing has been very grounded in that sense. And we knew who our grandparents
18:09were and the honor attached to that. But for us, they were our grandparents. So even though
18:19the curiosity was there, it wasn't there to such an extent that we would want to go into
18:26it in depth. By the time we also realized the gravity of it, we were much older. And then
18:34with that also came that respect for somebody's personal relationship. So it is not something we
18:40ever questioned our father about also. It is something we are okay with not knowing.
18:47Sometimes there's beauty in that also.
18:48Tell us about your grandmother. She was a great, great, great artist. Do you remember her?
18:56No, unfortunately, because she also passed away soon after my grandfather. So unfortunately,
19:05we have not met either of them. But very fond memories from everybody who knew of her. In fact,
19:15our grandparents, who have also worked with them, they always said that they were very warm and
19:25generous people. When we were in Bombay, his crew people would call once in a while to speak to our
19:35father. So they also would speak of his generosity and even her generosity. We have grown up hearing
19:42stories of that. Generous with time, with affection, with helping people financially. We've heard,
19:52we've grown up hearing all those stories apart from their talent.
19:55That's a great story. I think I remember this one incident where grandmom was such a person that
20:06she was very fond of jewelry and she had some really nice pieces. So if you said that, oh,
20:12I really like this necklace, she would remove it and leave it. Yeah, that is something we have heard.
20:20So yeah, it was to that level where they would not think, how can I, or why should I, or why does she want?
20:31I think it was just that, you know, big heartedness that, okay, you will take it.
20:37Who were his good friends in the industry? Because he was not a very party person that I know.
20:44I think that he was fairly close to his crew in that sense. I know that he was close to
20:59Vike Murthyji and Abrar Alviji. But he was quite an introvert in that sense.
21:06I don't know if in the industry he had any such people. Of course, there were people who he confided
21:22in, which would be, you know, like Mutti ji and Abrar Alvi Saab and things, but not aware otherwise
21:31of anyone as such. I think he was just too introverted. Yeah.
21:37I know initially when he started out... Dev Saab, yeah. Dev Saab was a confidant for sure.
21:45He introduced Dev Saab? No, it was the other way around. Han ji, Han ji. Dev Saab introduced him as director.
21:54Okay. Okay, okay. So anything that you know about his relationship with Dev Saab?
22:00There's a really famous story actually that's been written about a lot, how they met. So,
22:08this was in Pune?
22:08Yeah, Prabhat Studio. Prabhat Studio. So, they were staying in the same like hostel or that and they
22:16had the same dhubi. So, Dev Saab's short went to my grandfather and my grandfather's short went to
22:23him and that's how they met. So, that's how they became friends and in that then they made a pact
22:31that if my grandfather was like, if I get a chance, I will launch you as an actor. If you get a chance,
22:37you launch me as a director. So, that's where their friendship started and then they actually,
22:42you know, held the end of the promises. So, yeah.
22:46So, you both were talking about Dabra Ali's book. Because I have read a lot about it on
22:53internet. I have seen a play that was adapted from the book.
22:59The Hundred Days with Guru Dat Chow. Han ji, Han ji. Yes.
23:03So, he has written a lot about his last days and all that. Okay.
23:08Yes, he has. I have read the book. I have. Yes.
23:11How true is that whatever you wrote?
23:16I think me making a comment on that would just be conjecture at this point because I never had
23:25the opportunity to meet Abrar sir and speak to him about it. So, I think I would just like to leave
23:31it at that. I know that a lot of his family, my father included, do feel that what happened was
23:46an accident. Maybe the intent was there, but not the intent to see it through. So,
23:56that is what we have discussed as a family. But usse zyada, I don't think I can throw more light
24:03on that. When we talk about Guru Dat Sir's film, we also talk about light, light view.
24:13Yes. Yes.
24:19There were not too many technical, it was not very technically advanced period. But then he created
24:26magic with the lighting. How do you see it? Because we both are in the industry and directing so many
24:34films. How do you see that they copy the lighting, they copy the style?
24:41I feel like definitely the very famous Shaft of Light is, I see that with a lot of
24:53cinematographers and definitely his films and Murtiji's work in his films, a lot of cinematographers do
25:02discuss the beautiful frames that they created, the aspect of shadow and light.
25:12I have met quite a few people who have always been inspired by that, definitely.
25:19I think what we can take away is actually the beauty of that is that they had very little. And they
25:26did so much. And today we have so much but the challenges are obviously completely different
25:33because that time was different and it's completely different making a movie now. But yeah,
25:39some things he did are very iconic and a lot of people still technically discuss.
25:44Yes. Okay, so there are many actors, 40s, 50s, actor, producer, who were like directors as well. So,
25:55for you, he was best as an actor or director or producer?
26:00I think as a director, I definitely appreciate him as a director. Producer, I'm not sure of
26:13because of what I have heard with the number of retakes and all he wanted to do.
26:18I think any producer in today's day and age would not certify him as a good producer at all.
26:24I believe what I have heard is he was definitely a perfectionist and until he was absolutely sure
26:38that this is what he wanted, he definitely had a habit of doing multiple takes over and over and over
26:44again. Until he was absolutely sure that I got this shot. So, if you have a shift over time,
26:52or your film cans are used, or your crew is sitting, I don't think those are things he took into account.
27:02So, I definitely admire him a lot as a director. Maybe because
27:08that is something I want to do and that is something I see, you know, I try to learn from him.
27:18That's why, possibly.
27:21I think for me, the combination of writer and director, because writing is something that even
27:29I am really, really fond of. So, to see how something can be translated from paper onto screen,
27:36that entire process is something that I feel like a connection to. Because obviously, when
27:46now when we start making our own films, we have to do the same process. It doesn't matter,
27:52okay, it was so many years ago and now that process remains the same. How you take something you've
27:57written and then you, you know, make it into a visual. So, that is something that I connect a lot.
28:05I would like to know about the IP rights of his films. So, is the IP rights with family or totally with Ultra?
28:13No, all the IP rights are with Ultra Media.
28:16So, the family has no say in it?
28:18No, nothing.
28:20We have his personal IP rights but all the film rights and the music rights and anything related to
28:29film publicity, that is all with Ultra Media.
28:32Okay.
28:33Yes.
28:33So, you know, whenever like this one, when they are releasing all the films and they are, you know,
28:41planning on the publicity. So, how did you all discuss it with Ultra or it was all there, this thing, design?
28:48I think the planning was all theirs. They did reach out to us for, you know, the interviews and things but
28:59I would definitely credit them for this. I don't think I can take any credit for this at all. So,
29:04definitely all their hard work.
29:06Okay. So, now that you both are in two directions and doing so many projects,
29:13if I ask you, you would like to recreate one of your...
29:18No, you don't mess with things that are already perfect. I would definitely not want to.
29:31The beauty of his films was that he made it and the way, I think if you try and recreate that,
29:38it's asking for a lot of trouble.
29:40Yeah. No, actually also the thing is that because his life experiences have been so different and
29:47his films are so personal. You can see that. His work is so personal. And our life experiences have
29:54been very different and we have a lot of stories to say as well. So, I think it would, we would like to
30:02leave his films as the masterpieces that they are. You said that it was all based on his personal
30:08experience. So, Kagaz Ki Pool is one film that we know, we have heard that it is based on his personal
30:15life. How true is that and how close is to his personal life?
30:19I think it is fairly, from what I have understood, also fairly close to his personal life.
30:29I don't know again, like... I think the beauty of that film is that he didn't intend...
30:35For it to be mirrored. For it to be mirrored so closely to his life. I think it's something,
30:40a realisation that came after he passed away also. That there are so many similarities.
30:48I think on hindsight that happened. I don't think while making it so much he intended it to
30:54reflect on how it... like on his personal life. That much. As unfortunately it turned out in real life.
31:02So, have you met any of his colleagues, if not friends, because as you know, we all know that
31:10he was a very private person. But in the past 10-15 years, have you met actors or any of film industry
31:19director of his era and have you spoken about him? And have they spoken about him?
31:23We have actually unfortunately not had that privilege to meet very many people. We have met
31:32Vahida ji when his stamp was first released about 15 years ago. My father had organised an event for
31:43that and she was one of the guest of honours. But it was a very... because it was part of the event,
31:49it was a very brief meeting. Like I've said, we've not grown up in the industry atmosphere at all. So,
31:59in that sense, even for us, we are also trying to meet people on our own merit. And we've not had
32:06the privilege of, you know, having interacted with any of his colleagues, unfortunately.
32:12So, actually, both of us consciously chose other things when we were growing up. I mean,
32:27I always knew I am creatively inclined. I was very bad at academics, very bad at school. So,
32:34I always knew that I either want to write or design or something creative. That I knew from the beginning.
32:40I tried to do something else because, you know, it shouldn't... we didn't want to do this just
32:50because we've grown up and just because our family is doing it. So, you know, so definitely tried to
32:56do other things. But when you grow up in that atmosphere and when you grow up seeing that light,
33:00that curiosity is there. Should I just try? Because at least for me, it was that I don't want to regret
33:08later. So, I said, I'll try, you know, you give yourself time. If it doesn't work out, it's okay,
33:17I have something else already that I have to train in. So, for me, it was that. But then once you try,
33:24obviously, once you try, there's no going back.
33:27For me, actually, growing up, I was very sure I would not join films at all. I thought I would do
33:36something in academics. I actually wanted to be a biochemist. But as I grew up, I started falling
33:45more in love with the magic of cinema and what it can do to people and how it can change you. And that's
33:54when I started realizing that this is something I want to be a part of. And then I started moving
34:00towards that. Growing up, we were always very creatively encouraged. When it comes to dance,
34:10when it comes to playing musical instruments, when it comes to singing, our father himself was
34:17lovely at painting. So, these are things that we have grown up with. And it has always been encouraged.
34:24In fact, summer vacations, we wrote our stories and plays directly. And with our friends, we made shows
34:34for family members, for anyone to entertain. We will show you what we have made. So, these things we
34:44have grown up with. So, I think it was just a matter of time where, you know, one realized what your true
34:54passions are. Also, I think, ironically, our dad didn't want us to join the industry. But our love
35:01for films come from him. It's very ironic. The way he used to talk about, you know, the films he loved
35:07and the filmmakers and actors. He was so passionate that it was impossible for you not to fall in love
35:15with, you know. The process. The process and everything. So, ironically, like, I think maybe he realized
35:21late that he didn't come. Then I completely blamed him for the love of cinema.
35:28So, before we wrap, what message would you like to give to all Gurudan fans, crazy fans of Gurudan?
35:36Thank you for all the love and the respect. It is very, very heartwarming and we really appreciate it.
35:44And a perfect opportunity presented for you by Ultramedia. Please do go watch his films on the
35:51big screen because we are definitely going to do that. Absolutely. I mean, I agree with everything
35:57she said. I think this is once in a lifetime opportunity. You should not miss. I don't know
36:02how we're going to watch all the films. But we are definitely going to try and watch everything and
36:09very, very happy and excited. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much.
36:18Thank you so much.
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