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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

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04:50C'est un peu comme un coin, comme un ying et un yang.
04:54Vous avez un documentaire et vous avez un fantasie.
04:57Et je me souviens d'extrême,
04:59donc je suis allé de l'un à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantasie
05:04qui a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV.
05:12Et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:17Il a des mêmes personnages,
05:19et il a des mêmes mondes.
05:20Mais je ne suis plus intéressé en ce que j'étais.
05:25Parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible et la plupart du monde est réel,
05:35ou à l'est qu'il peut être très réel,
05:38capturé de moment à moment.
05:39Et c'est très efficace.
05:42Et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire,
05:44c'est que je peux manipuler ça dans mon version.
05:47C'est fantasy.
05:49Et ça, j'ai été plus intéressé.
05:51et j'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le monde réel,
05:54et j'ai été plus intéressé par stepping dans le théâtral space,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:08Qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
06:10Je pense que si les directeurs veulent revenir et changer leurs films,
06:16je suis sûre qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire.
06:20Je n'ai jamais eu la liberté de créer,
06:23pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a pas vraiment de changer.
06:27J'ai une vue après.
06:29Donc, quand j'ai dit quelque chose,
06:30il y a des étri croyances de mon corps.
06:33C'est n'où plus encore dans moi.
06:35Je dois aller verser sur quelque chose.
07:08Oh absolutely, I mean I'm starting from the beginning with doing everything in 4k
07:23and I'm doing all the restorations myself, so I'm doing, it's all coming from me
07:27and you can buy them directly from me at bynwr.com
07:32I'll sign your box set and send it off to you
07:36I am, yeah I'm a huge fan of 4k, like I love 4k
07:42I think 4k is like amazing
07:45because so many films can be rewatched with even better quality
07:50and who doesn't want that, you know
07:53so it's kind of like a new layer of the new normal for me
07:58so I decided to do all my films in 4k, slowly rolling them out, you know
08:04I think cinema and television for that matter has had a very tough time in the last 10 years or so
08:1410-15 years, gaming, social media, VR, canvases are exploding
08:20and they're constantly evolving because technology is allowing them to evolve
08:24movies and television, TV is becoming more and more just content
08:30that you almost look at while you're doing other things
08:33and movies are still that window of exclusivity of the collective experience
08:39but I think that movies also needs to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes for Only God Forgives
08:47and I, after everyone had been booing me for so long
08:51that during my stay
08:53I did say, look, you can be angry with me and about my film
08:58but I am from the future and I'm going to make something
09:02that's going to predict what it's going to be like
09:05if you want to make films in the future
09:07and I was right
09:09because right after Only God Forgives
09:11the industry changed because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15and it changed not so much what we were making
09:18but it's how we experienced film and content essentially
09:23how we viewed it
09:24and I think that to justify or for a movie to exist
09:28in longevity
09:29you have to see what a film can become
09:33rather than what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38it's all about the build-up
09:40Bang, bang, and then it's to the other wall
09:43now make it dirty, unique, interesting
09:45never seen before in violence
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52but I will say that
09:54everything is an evolution of something
09:57and there can be a tendency
10:00when something is liked
10:03that everyone wants the same same
10:07but I don't necessarily think that's true
10:09it's better to give them something else
10:12or something different
10:13or something that destroys your past
10:16in order to make something new
10:19it's a transition
10:20you know, obviously the two films are very different
10:23but what ties them is myself and Ryan's interaction
10:28however I find that interesting
10:30it's like taking something and turning it on its head
10:34it's taking the ultimate superhero in one movie
10:37and emasculating him in the next
10:39it's taking one movie that's very poppy
10:42and another movie that's very esoteric
10:45and that I think is what makes the world interesting
10:50is that things can become different
10:52it can evolve into other components
10:55rather than just always staying in the same repeat lane
10:59because you very quickly run out of steam
11:02in my opinion
11:03I was very happy
11:05but obviously, you know, a lot of harsh reactions
11:09and a lot of booing and screaming
11:12but then I was like, that's kind of cruel
11:15because then you're like the sex pistols of cinema
11:18you know, you're like the one everyone throws bottles at
11:21but you can't deny it existence
11:23you can't really criticize it
11:25because I did it my way
11:27the world will see it as it continues to evolve
11:31and you just have to be
11:33you have to just to be trust yourself
11:35so you never lose your vision
11:36when you have that strong reaction
11:38no, on the contrary
11:39you're like, it's like energy
11:41it's like, just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets about Only God Forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49and it is
11:49I just didn't make it very expensive
11:52is there a doctor in the house?
11:53we need to get a medic in here
11:57is there a doctor around?
12:00when you were mentioning 2001
12:02it says, you forgot to add Drive
12:04we'll let that slip
12:06we won't know about Drive for another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10whether it lives or dies
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made in 1968
12:17I made this film about 4 years ago
12:204 years is a zip
12:21it's not even a blip
12:23it's not a pimple
12:25on the asshole of humanity
12:28what was funny about talking to Billy Freakin
12:30was that it was
12:31he had a man who had struggled a lot in Hollywood
12:35and started very successfully
12:39at a young age
12:40and then gone into sorceress
12:43and was still traumatized
12:47by that experience
12:48after so many years
12:49and I think that was what was so sad
12:51in a way
12:52that it had such an effect on him
12:54it's a little bit like
12:55Michael Cimino doing Heaven's Gate
12:57these amazing films
12:59both Sorcerers and Heaven's Gate
13:02are probably their best films
13:04for some reason get so destroyed
13:07and then they lose sight of themselves
13:10or they lose their confidence
13:12and it affects all the other movies
13:14they make afterwards
13:15and I was like
13:16I'm never going to be like that
13:17because I'm right
13:19you're wrong
13:19I mean I've done two shows
13:26one with Amazon
13:27one with Netflix
13:27and I like what I was making
13:30obviously
13:30but I don't know how
13:32how much I want to continue
13:36I may want to take a break
13:38and go and make movies again
13:41I've decided to do more visual arts
13:44you know
13:45and trying to find other areas of creativity
13:50but I think it's time to go make a film again
13:53you said you work on two shows
13:55but you work on The Famous Five or so
13:57The Famous Five was a television show
14:00that I just
14:01how do you say
14:02executive produced or created
14:04but I had no involvement in it
14:06otherwise
14:07I just created the kind of concept
14:09and the story
14:10based on these very famous books
14:12The Famous Five was more because
14:13my kids would read the books
14:15when they were young
14:16I remember my mother reading me the books
14:18so it was more like a past history thing
14:21that came up as an opportunity
14:23Well I mean if anything
14:28if something is interesting
14:29you know
14:30why not look at it
14:31I've had some wonderful meetings in Hollywood
14:33met wonderful people
14:35but in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37that's all I really want
14:39is just to be free
14:40when you work in Hollywood
14:42there is a contract
14:44some people love that
14:45and can work within that
14:47it's maybe not so much my thing
14:50right now
14:51but who knows
14:51maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53you know
14:55big superhero movie
14:56that could be fun
14:59maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open to anything
15:01but at the same time
15:02at the end
15:03you should just make
15:04what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06having creative control
15:08which is
15:08easier enough
15:10but it's where
15:11all the money
15:12that's invested
15:13puts a burden on you
15:15because all that money
15:17has to get
15:17you know
15:18recouped
15:19and then you have to make
15:20a certain type of movie
15:21you don't have the freedom
15:22to do whatever you want
15:23because you're
15:24you're a slave
15:25to the economics
15:26if your film costs
15:28200 million dollars
15:29or 100 million dollars
15:30you need to make
15:31300-400 million dollars
15:32to break even
15:33that already puts a strain
15:34on what kind of movie
15:35can you make
15:36and I don't want
15:37any conditions
15:39on me
15:39at all
15:41you have to be
15:42completely free
15:43I mean
15:48in the beginning
15:49a lot of people
15:49were talking
15:50about another drive
15:51but it was like
15:52that would be
15:53the worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55So never?
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07to live
16:07a fun life
16:09and
16:10it has nothing
16:12to do with fame
16:13you realize
16:15very quickly
16:16it has
16:17that I've had
16:18opportunities
16:19and I've been able
16:20to work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken
16:24with people
16:24and
16:25it's all been
16:26a lot of fun
16:27but I think
16:28when I started
16:29the idea of being seen
16:32was very essential
16:33the idea of fame
16:34and fame being
16:36it's like an opportunity
16:38it's like a stage
16:39one thing is becoming famous
16:41the next
16:42what are you going to do with it
16:43and obviously
16:44it's like anything
16:45it's an opportunity
16:46I don't have any love
16:48I don't have any love
16:49I don't have a lot
16:51I don't have to work
16:51I don't have to work
16:52I also have to work
16:54I was also
16:55I was
16:55we should be here
16:59in Bangkok
16:59for 6 months
17:00how long he will
17:01make his next film
17:02and I have said
17:03yes to the film
17:04process
17:04it's new
17:06to be together
17:08when he's filming
17:09last time he made
17:11drive
17:11I was home
17:12in Denmark
17:12with children
17:13and it took 10 months
17:15and it was just
17:16hard to be away
17:17from each other
17:18my daily life
17:22is I have a routine
17:23I wake up
17:24I do
17:25two hour sports
17:26every day
17:27then I usually
17:28have lunch
17:29then I get yelled at
17:31by my kids
17:32I work
17:33at night
17:34and then
17:35try not to
17:37get to bed
17:38too late
17:39and then
17:39Friday comes
17:41and it's weekend
17:42and
17:42you try to relax
17:45a little more
17:45and the next day
17:46is Monday
17:47you watch movies
17:48I used to watch
17:50a lot of movies
17:51when I was a lot
17:51younger
17:52but now it's just
17:53harder and harder
17:54there's other things
17:55that I find interesting
17:56like what?
17:57well I did my first
17:59exhibition
18:00that just opened
18:01in Tokyo
18:02and that's been
18:03a lot of fun
18:03to do that
18:04collaboration
18:05with Hideo Kojima
18:06can you talk about that?
18:09well it's
18:09I created an exhibition
18:11that opened
18:13on Friday
18:14last week
18:15in Tokyo
18:16where I
18:17built this
18:18installation
18:18between us
18:20I saw my wife
18:21and my daughter
18:22in the procession
18:23hey
18:24it's me
18:26where are you going
18:32wait
18:34don't leave without me
18:40don't go
18:44please
18:45don't go
18:47and you are
18:49in Death Stranding 2
18:50I am Heart Man
18:52and Heart Man
18:53is forever
18:54in Death Stranding
18:55I think that
19:01don't believe
19:02everything you read
19:03on the internet
19:04can you tease us
19:05something?
19:06well believe
19:06everything you read
19:07on the internet
19:08oh okay
19:08we're going to see
19:18a beautiful film
19:37yes
19:38it's me
19:39look
19:39please
19:40I'm
19:41I'm
19:41I'm
19:42I'm
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19:43I'm
19:43I'm
19:44you
19:45are I'm
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19:48I'm
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19:49and I'm
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