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00:00At the root of the climate catastrophe lies man's tendency to consume.
00:11And man consumes in three clear ways and three distinct ways.
00:17Man wants to consume the entire world.
00:19And the entire world consists of human beings, prakritic beings, which you call as natural beings, and man-made things.
00:30Whenever you will look around you, these are the three kinds of things you will find, right?
00:35Other human beings, other natural beings, and other man-made things.
00:42Man consumes all three and consumption of all three leads to carbon emissions.
00:48When you consume another human being, what do you get?
00:52What do you get? Kids.
00:55And that is the biggest cause of carbon emissions.
00:57When you consume man-made things, again, what do you emit?
01:02Carbon.
01:03Because whatever there is man-made is made using energy and energy comes from fossil fuels.
01:10So whenever you are consuming something man-made, you are causing carbon emissions.
01:14And the third thing is consumption of natural resources.
01:20Whether you are eating vegetables, whether you are a vegan or not, or whether you are consuming meat.
01:30All of this is highly carbon-emitting.
01:35Even if you are vegan, you will eat grains at least.
01:39Where will the grains come from?
01:43Where will the grains come from?
01:45They can only come by felling forests.
01:49But then you start feeling great.
01:51I am a vegan, you know.
01:52I am holier than thou.
01:53The earth does not have resources to support 8 billion or 11 billion vegans.
02:02So do not be so happy about just being a vegan.
02:06Veganism doesn't help the cause of climate change beyond a point.
02:13We need two things.
02:15One, less people and less consumption.
02:17And both of them.
02:19Both of them together.
02:20I am getting it.
02:25Even if one of them is missing, you are gone.
02:29US has not too many people.
02:34Just 32 crores are there.
02:38And yet they are the biggest carbon emitters in the world.
02:42Because they consume.
02:44On the other end is China.
02:46China, the per capita consumption
02:48is 1 by 5 or 1 by 10 of the USA.
02:53And yet they are number 2 on the carbon list.
02:56Why?
02:56Because they are just too many.
03:00You need a situation where there are not more than 2 or 3 billion people in the world.
03:04That has been scientifically calculated to be the sustainable limit.
03:07And currently we are 8 billion.
03:10We need to reduce it to 2 or 3 billion.
03:12That is the first thing.
03:13Secondly, these 2 or 3 billion people have to be spiritual so that they do not have a tendency to consume.
03:19Unless you are spiritual, you are bound to be living a consumption centric life.
03:25The very urge for liberation, when it does not find an outlet, it becomes the urge to consume.
03:33Do you see this?
03:34Where does the tendency to consume so much come from?
03:38It comes from the misidentified and thwarted urge towards liberation.
03:46If you will not provide liberation to a man, his energies will flow in the direction of consumption.
03:54So these are the two things that we require.
03:57One, less population.
03:58Secondly, the population that remains must be highly spiritual in its outlook.
04:03Only then can you avoid the climate catastrophe.
04:06All this tamasha that is happening on the streets will not help.
04:09Instead it is making people feel good about themselves.
04:12I look at these warriors, climate warriors, young men and young women.
04:17Some of them were fighting the police recently in Bombay.
04:21And I thought to myself, will these young people refuse to have a kid?
04:26No, that they won't.
04:27Here for a tree, they are prepared to lay down their lives.
04:31And I respect that sentiment.
04:33Seriously, I respect that.
04:34But then I want to question the efficacy of that.
04:38You don't want these 2,700 trees to be cut down.
04:42But then if you get one child, that is the equivalent of cutting down a lakh trees.
04:49Bringing one child to the world is the equivalent of cutting down a lakh trees.
04:55Maybe more.
04:56Just do the maths.
04:57But you show so much of sentiment.
05:02When a tree is hacked down.
05:07And you show no sentiment.
05:09When you see family after family procreating.
05:14You in fact send them congratulatory messages.
05:17Wow, nice.
05:19Didi.
05:19Good that you have had your second or third kid now.
05:25Returning from the climate demonstration.
05:28What does this young girl do?
05:31She calls up her Didi and says,
05:33So Didi, was the delivery fine?
05:36What nonsense is this?
05:41Do you understand?
05:42Climate catastrophe is a spiritual problem.
05:49And it can only have a spiritual solution.
05:55All else that you see happening around you in the name of climate activism is just tamasha.
06:01It will not help.
06:02It will boost up a lot of egos.
06:04It will give fame and limelight to a lot of young people.
06:09They will become climate warriors.
06:10They will become saviors of the world.
06:12Tomorrow one of them might even get the Nobel Prize.
06:16So much of limelight is there, you know.
06:19This young man.
06:20He has really brought this issue to popular consciousness.
06:27Let's bestow upon him the Nobel Prize for peace.
06:31All that can happen.
06:32But all that will be just symbolic.
06:35Not helpful at all.
06:37Or even if it helps, it will help only to a very marginal degree.
06:44Do you get the real solution?
06:48From 8 billion, take it back to 2 billion.
06:51And you don't have to kill people for that.
06:54You just have to educate and encourage people to not to reproduce.
06:59Even if they want to have kids, let them have at max one kid.
07:05And second thing is, this 2 or 3 billion that finally remains, must be deeply spiritual from the heart.
07:13So that it does not have a tendency to feast upon the world.
07:17Are you getting it?
07:21Huh?
07:22But the way climate activism is going, it is going in a very blind direction.
07:31People are trying to get governments to intervene by way of legislation.
07:37What can the governments do?
07:41It is a democratic world.
07:43The governments will only do what the people want them to do.
07:47And the people want only cosmetic steps to be taken.
07:52So the governments will take cosmetic steps.
07:55In fact, chances are, you know, as far as this tree plantation exercise is concerned,
08:02chances are we have already crossed the threshold
08:05where tree plantation can reverse the effects of climate change.
08:14That threshold has already been crossed.
08:15Now we need stricter action.
08:19Now we need more meaningful action.
08:21Now we need real action.
08:24Planting trees might have been a useful step 20 years back.
08:29But that threshold has been long since crossed.
08:32You need to do more concrete action today.
08:35And more concrete action is not about, you know,
08:38Friday demonstrations and all that stuff and Friday strikes.
08:41All that is just a show.
08:45Real action needs to be taken.

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