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  • 07/07/2025
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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

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05:22I was no longer interested in the way I used to
05:25because also social media has kind of dominates that narrative now.
05:30Everything is accessible and most of it is real,
05:35or at least some can be very real, captured at the moment to moment.
05:39And those are far more, it's very effective.
05:42And I can't do that.
05:43But what I can do is I can manipulate it into my own version.
05:48That's fantasy.
05:49And that I became more interested in.
05:51I lost the lust for living in the real world
05:55and being more excited about stepping into the theatrical space,
06:02the space of unreality, like a stage.
06:05And so therefore, it's like the evolution.
06:12Well, I think that if directors want to go back and change their films,
06:16I mean, I'm sure there's a reason.
06:18I don't have a need to do.
06:20I've never not have creative freedom to make the film I wanted to make.
06:25So there's nothing to really change.
06:27I kind of look ahead.
06:29So once I've done with something, it's been ostracized of my body.
06:33I'm no longer, it's no longer in me.
06:35I have to kind of move on to something else.
06:38There's something inside you
06:41It's hard to explain
06:46They're talking about you, boy
06:52But you're still the same
06:56Oh, absolutely.
07:19I mean, I'm starting from the beginning
07:21We're doing everything in 4K
07:23And I'm doing all the restorations myself
07:25So I'm doing
07:25It's all coming from me
07:27And you can buy them directly from me
07:30At bynwr.com
07:32I'll sign your box set
07:34And send it off to you
07:36Yeah, I'm a huge fan of 4K
07:40Like, I love 4K
07:42I think 4K is, like, amazing
07:45Because so many films can be rewatched
07:49With even better quality
07:50And who doesn't want that, you know?
07:53So it's kind of like a new layer of
07:56The new normal for me
07:58So I decided to do all my films in 4K
08:01Slowly rolling them out, you know
08:03I think cinema and television, for that matter
08:10Has had a very tough time
08:12In the last 10 years or so
08:1410, 15 years
08:15Gaming, social media, VR
08:18Canvases are exploding
08:20And they're constantly evolving
08:22Because technology is allowing them to evolve
08:24Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more just content
08:30That you almost look at
08:31While you're doing other things
08:33And movies are still that window of exclusivity
08:37Of the collective experience
08:39But I think that movies also need to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes
08:46For Only God Forgives
08:47And I, after everyone had been booing me for so long
08:51That during my stay
08:53I did say, look
08:55You can be angry with me and about my film
08:58But I am from the future
09:01And I'm going to make something
09:02That's going to predict what it's going to be like
09:05If you want to make films in the future
09:07And I was right
09:09Because right after Only God Forgives
09:11The industry changed because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15And it changed not so much what we're making
09:18But it's how we experienced film and content
09:22Essentially, how we viewed it
09:24And I think that to justify or for a movie to exist
09:28In longevity
09:29You have to see what a film can become
09:33Rather than what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38It's all about the build-up
09:40Bang, bang
09:41And then it's to the other wall
09:43Now make it dirty, unique, interesting
09:45Never seen before in violence
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52But I will say that
09:54Everything is an evolution of something
09:57And there can be a tendency
10:00When something is liked
10:03That everyone wants the same same
10:07But I don't necessarily think that's true
10:09It's better to give them something else
10:12Or something different
10:13Or something that destroys your past
10:16In order to make something new
10:19To transition
10:20You know, obviously the two films are very different
10:23But what ties them is myself and Ryan's interaction
10:28However, I find that interesting
10:30It's like taking something and turning it on its head
10:34It's taking the ultimate superhero in one movie
10:37And emasculating him in the next
10:39It's taking one movie that's very poppy
10:42And another movie that's very esoteric
10:45And that, I think, is what makes the world interesting
10:50Is that things can become different
10:52It can evolve into other components
10:55Rather than just always staying in the same repeat lane
10:59Because you very quickly run out of steam, in my opinion
11:03I was very happy
11:05But obviously, you know
11:07A lot of harsh reactions
11:09And a lot of booing and screaming
11:12But then I was like
11:13That's kind of cool
11:15Because then you're like
11:16Sex pistols of cinema
11:18You know, you're like
11:19The one everyone throws bottles at
11:21But you can't deny it existence
11:23You can't really criticize it
11:25Because I did it my way
11:27The world will see it
11:29As it continues to evolve
11:31And you just have to be
11:33You have to just to be
11:34Trust yourself
11:35So you never lose your vision
11:36When you have that strong reaction
11:38No, on the contrary
11:39You're like
11:40It's like energy
11:41It's like
11:42Just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets
11:47About Only God Forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49And it is
11:49I just didn't make it very expensive
11:52Is there a doctor in the house?
11:54We need to get a medic in here
11:57Is there a doctor around?
11:59When you were mentioning 2001
12:02Citizen Kane
12:03You forgot to add Drive
12:04We'll let that slip
12:06We won't know about Drive
12:08For another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10Whether it lives or dies
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made in 1968
12:17I made this film about 4 years ago
12:204 years is a zip
12:21It's not even a blip
12:23It's not a pimple
12:25On the asshole of humanity
12:28What was funny about
12:29Talking to Billy Friedkin
12:31Was that it was
12:31He had a man
12:33Who had struggled a lot
12:34In Hollywood
12:35And started very successfully
12:39At a young age
12:40And then gone into Sorceress
12:43And was still traumatized
12:47By that experience
12:48After so many years
12:49And I think that was
12:50What was so sad
12:51In a way
12:52That it had such an effect on him
12:54It was a little bit like
12:55Michael Cimino
12:56Doing Heaven's Gate
12:57These amazing films
12:59Both Sorceress and Heaven's Gate
13:02Are probably their best films
13:04For some reason
13:05Get so destroyed
13:07And then they lose sight of themselves
13:10Or they lose their confidence
13:12And it affects all the other movies
13:14They make afterwards
13:15And I was like
13:16I'm never going to be like that
13:17Because I'm right
13:19You're wrong
13:19I mean I've done two shows
13:26One with Amazon
13:27One with Netflix
13:27And I like what I was making
13:30Obviously
13:30But I don't know
13:32How much I want to continue
13:36I may want to take a break
13:38And go and make movies again
13:41I've decided to do more visual arts
13:44You know
13:45And trying to find other areas of creativity
13:50But I think it's time to go make a film again
13:53You said you work on two shows
13:55But you work on The Famous Five
13:56Or something
13:57So The Famous Five
13:58Was a television show
14:00That I just
14:01How do you say
14:02Executive produced
14:03Or created
14:04But I had no involvement in it
14:06Otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08The kind of concept
14:09And the story
14:10Based on these very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13Was more because
14:13My kids would read the books
14:15When they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17Reading me the books
14:18So it was more like
14:19A past history thing
14:21That came up
14:22As an opportunity
14:23Well, I mean
14:28If something is interesting
14:29You know
14:30Why not look at it
14:31I've had some wonderful meetings
14:32In Hollywood
14:33Met wonderful people
14:35But in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37That's all I really want
14:39Is just to be free
14:40When you work in Hollywood
14:42There is a contract
14:44Some people love that
14:45And can work within that
14:47It's maybe not so much my thing
14:50Right now
14:51But who knows
14:51Maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53You know
14:55Big superhero movie
14:56That could be fun
14:59Maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open to anything
15:01But at the same time
15:02At the end
15:03You should just make
15:04What makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06Having creative control
15:08Which is
15:08Easier enough
15:10But it's where
15:11All the money
15:12That's invested
15:13Puts a burden on you
15:15Because all that money
15:17Has to get
15:17You know
15:18Recouped
15:19And then you have to make
15:20A certain type of movie
15:21You don't have the freedom
15:22To do whatever you want
15:23Because you're
15:24You're a slave
15:25To the economics
15:26If your film
15:27Costs 200 million dollars
15:29Or 100 million dollars
15:30You need to make
15:31300, 400 million dollars
15:32To break even
15:33That already puts a strain
15:34On what kind of movie
15:35Can you make
15:36And I don't want
15:37Any conditions
15:39On me
15:39At all
15:41You have to be
15:42Completely free
15:43I mean in the beginning
15:49A lot of people
15:49Were talking about
15:50Another drive
15:51But it was like
15:52That would be
15:53The worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55So never
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07To live
16:07A fun life
16:09And
16:10It has nothing
16:12To do with fame
16:13You realize
16:15Very quickly
16:16It has
16:17That I've had
16:18Opportunities
16:19And I've been able
16:20To work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24And it's all been
16:26A lot of fun
16:27But I think
16:28When I started
16:29The idea of being seen
16:32Was very essential
16:33The idea of fame
16:34And fame being
16:36It's like an opportunity
16:38It's like a stage
16:39One thing is becoming famous
16:41The next
16:42What are you going to do with it
16:43And obviously
16:44It's like anything
16:45It's an opportunity
16:46I don't have any love
16:48You're a mess
16:51You're working
16:51I also have to work
16:54I was also
16:55We're going to be here
16:59In Bangkok
16:59In six months
17:00Yang Han
17:01Will make his next film
17:02And I've said
17:03Yeah to the film
17:04Process
17:04It's new
17:06We're together
17:08When he's filming
17:09When he's filming
17:10When he's filming
17:11I was home
17:12In Denmark
17:12With the children
17:13And it took 10 months
17:15And it was just
17:17It was hard
17:17To be away from each other
17:18My daily life
17:22Is I have a routine
17:23I wake up
17:24I do two hour sports
17:26Every day
17:27Then I usually
17:28Have lunch
17:29Then I get yelled at
17:31By my kids
17:32I work at night
17:34And then
17:35Try not to
17:37Get to bed
17:38Too late
17:39And then
17:39Friday comes
17:41And it's weekend
17:42And
17:42You try to relax
17:45A little more
17:45And the next day
17:46Is Monday
17:47You watch movies?
17:48I used to watch
17:50A lot of movies
17:51When I was a lot younger
17:52But now it's just
17:53Harder and harder
17:54There's other things
17:55That I find interesting
17:56Like what?
17:57Well I did my first exhibition
18:00That just opened in Tokyo
18:02And that's been a lot of fun
18:03To do that
18:04A collaboration with
18:05Hideo Kojima?
18:06Yeah
18:07Can you talk about that?
18:08Well it's
18:09I created an exhibition
18:11That opened
18:13Friday
18:14Last week
18:15In Tokyo
18:16Where I built
18:17This installation
18:18Between us
18:20I saw my wife
18:21And my daughter
18:22In the procession
18:23Hey
18:24It's me
18:26Where are you going?
18:33Wait
18:34Don't live without me
18:40No
18:42Don't go
18:44Please
18:45Don't go
18:47And you are
18:49Death Stranding 2
18:50I am Heart Man
18:52And Heart Man
18:53Is forever
18:54In Death Stranding
18:55I think that
19:01Don't believe
19:02Everything you read
19:03On the internet
19:03Can you tease us something?
19:06Well believe
19:06Everything you read
19:07On the internet
19:08Oh okay
19:33I think that
19:35We're going to1000
19:48Lmud
19:49We'll talk about that
19:50This passiert
19:50In the house
19:51That shit
19:51And he's
19:51And he's
19:52Something I recommend