Proverbs 7 with CSBS (full length)

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00:00:00Welcome to Proverbs 7.

00:00:04So let's start by reading.

00:00:08My son, keep my words and treasure up my commandments with you.

00:00:12Keep my commandments and live.

00:00:13Keep my teaching as the apple of your eye.

00:00:16Bind them on your fingers.

00:00:17Write them on the tablet of your heart.

00:00:19Say to wisdom, you are my sister, and call insight your intimate friend.

00:00:23To keep you from the forbidden woman, from the adulteress with her smooth words.

00:00:27For at the window of my house I have looked out through my lattice, and I have seen among the simple.

00:00:34I have perceived among the youths a young man lacking sense, passing along the street near her corner,

00:00:39taking the road to her house in the twilight, in the evening, at the time of night and darkness.

00:00:44And behold, the woman meets him dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart.

00:00:48She is loud and wayward, her feet do not stay at home, now in the street, now in the market, and at every corner she lies in wait.

00:00:55She seizes him and kisses him, and with bold face she says to him,

00:00:59I had to offer sacrifices, and today I have paid my vows.

00:01:03So now I have come out to meet you, to seek you eagerly, and I have found you.

00:01:07I have spread my couch with coverings, colored linens from Egyptian linen.

00:01:11I have performed my bed, perfumed my bed, with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.

00:01:16Come, let us take our fill of love till morning, let us delight ourselves with love.

00:01:20For my husband is not at home.

00:01:22He has gone on a long journey, he took a bag of money with him, at full moon he will come home.

00:01:28With much seductive speech she persuades him, and with her smooth talk she compels him.

00:01:33All at once he follows her, as an ox goes to the slaughter.

00:01:37For as a stag is caught fast till an arrow pierces its liver,

00:01:40as a bird rushes into a snare he does not know that it will cost him his life.

00:01:44And now, O sons, listen to me, and be attentive to the words of my mouth.

00:01:48Let not your heart turn aside to her ways, do not stray into her paths.

00:01:52For many a victim has she laid low, and all her slain are a mighty throng.

00:01:57Her house is the way to Sheol, going down to the chambers of death.

00:02:02So we've got several actors here.

00:02:07We have the son, who is the one being taught.

00:02:10Well, we have the young man, really.

00:02:15It's not the son who is the character in this play.

00:02:19It's the young man.

00:02:21We have the woman, her husband, and I think that's it.

00:02:29So yeah, the young woman, or the young man, the woman, and her husband.

00:02:33The assignment that I had posted, the thing to think about ahead of time,

00:02:40is what fences could each of these people have erected to compensate for their weaknesses?

00:02:46You know, temptations aren't arbitrary.

00:02:50We are tempted by the things that we have weaknesses for.

00:02:53You know, the enemy doesn't come at somebody who doesn't care about material things and tempts them with fancy clothes.

00:03:03Not what he does.

00:03:05He doesn't come after an old man and tempts him with sex and prostitutes.

00:03:12At least not most old men, because they're just not as vulnerable to that.

00:03:16Instead, he comes after young men.

00:03:20He attacks a woman who is left home alone for extended periods of times with temptations to stray.

00:03:27What they don't leave out is her husband is also away on a business trip with lots of money with him.

00:03:32What temptations is he facing?

00:03:36So what can each of these people do to protect themselves,

00:03:40to compensate for the weaknesses that they must know that they have?

00:03:46I think one thing that really struck out to me just across the board is that all of them were outside of accountability within community.

00:03:55He was by himself on the corner.

00:03:57She was outside of her house on the corner.

00:03:59The husband was gone.

00:04:01So none of them were functionally surrounded by people who would say,

00:04:07Hey, dude, it's a bad idea.

00:04:08They were putting themselves in a position where their weaknesses could be fed.

00:04:23Their desires could be, they have that sort of the anonymity.

00:04:27And I think how that is such a thing that when you have a community of people around you and they see you tripping and falling,

00:04:37it's really hard to hide it if you're an actual community.

00:04:41If you're surrounded by strangers, that's a totally different thing entirely.

00:04:45Why did the woman not have a household of servants or children or something?

00:04:51Because obviously he left with a bag of money.

00:04:53He wasn't a, they weren't destitute.

00:04:56Yeah.

00:04:56She's got lots of materials to tempt people with.

00:04:59Right.

00:05:00And the, you know, the young man, you know, obviously more than likely the town he lives,

00:05:06where were his, where were his people that in the dark, in the evening, he should have been with?

00:05:12Because if he was busy all day, the likelihood of being out and about carousing in the evening is considerably less.

00:05:18So where were the people that he, it would have been wiser for him to be with?

00:05:24You know, where is this woman's sisters?

00:05:26Anyway, it just kind of all came down to where's their community and why aren't they part of,

00:05:31why don't they have people near them to help them walk through life?

00:05:37Yeah.

00:05:38Having people around is, is important, especially the right kind of people.

00:05:42You know, one of the things that that's happening here is that, you know, she goes out to this particular corner and it sounds like she has a habit of going to this corner because it's her corner.

00:05:54And he's not just walking past, he's walking past at twilight and then after dark and then in the deep dark of night.

00:06:02So he keeps going past.

00:06:05And it sounds like they're both looking for trouble.

00:06:11And if you're around people who are, who are themselves avoiding trouble, you have a natural accountability, even if there's nothing formal going on.

00:06:20You've got people around you that you don't want to be shamed in front of.

00:06:23And so you don't behave in ways that they would perceive as shameful.

00:06:29Yeah.

00:06:29If you're a young dude with a bunch of your friends and Mrs. Robinson comes out and slaps a big wet one on your face, you're going to be kind of embarrassed in front of all your cool young friends.

00:06:39Depends on the friends.

00:06:40Yeah.

00:06:41If they're decent human beings, if they're decent human beings who do study Torah, who may still be immature and ridiculous, but they have a standard.

00:06:50That an external standard that may not yet be internalized, but they do have that external standard.

00:06:54It's like, oh, this is not OK.

00:06:57Yeah.

00:06:59What about the husband?

00:07:00He does not have a good relationship with his wife.

00:07:03He doesn't really know who she is.

00:07:06And if he did, he might rearrange his business affairs.

00:07:10He might send out his personal eliezer out there to do whatever it is he's gone to do instead of himself.

00:07:17Or maybe he'd go get counseling or maybe he'd ask, have his mother-in-law move in with them.

00:07:24I mean, not everybody wants that, but if it prevents these kinds of problems, it might be worth it in the long run.

00:07:32Maybe he's not teaching his family the way that he should.

00:07:35It doesn't really sound like he has children, but, you know, it's hard to tell.

00:07:39I mean, if they do have servants, maybe they're watching the kids and she's just out on her, you know, doing her thing.

00:07:45But if that's the case, he doesn't have trustworthy servants either.

00:07:51So he's mismanaging his household on multiple levels.

00:07:55He's left his wife home alone for extended periods of time.

00:07:59I mean, no matter how trustworthy she is, that's not a good way to have to be married.

00:08:04You know, cultivating relationships takes time and it takes personal attention.

00:08:09Once in a while, if you need to leave, that's fine.

00:08:13But if you do that on a regular basis, which it kind of sounds like he does, that's going to cause problems.

00:08:19Your relationship is going to suffer.

00:08:21And those pain points are going to create temptations for people where they didn't exist before.

00:08:26I think it's important to note that it says that she's a foreign woman.

00:08:32And that, I mean, typically they were told not to marry foreign women, Ruth being an exception, Rahab.

00:08:40But that they were told not to, well, I mean, I guess if she would have said it in verse five, I have the tree of life version.

00:08:54They will keep you from a seducing woman, from the foreign woman with her seductive speech.

00:09:00Yeah, I just wanted to see what the Hebrew words are.

00:09:02Yeah, the word is nokri.

00:09:06I was looking for something obvious about that word, but I don't know what the implications might be.

00:09:11Because frequently when it talks about the stranger, it doesn't necessarily mean a foreigner.

00:09:16It could mean just somebody who's not part of your group.

00:09:21You know, somebody from the next town over or something like that, just an outsider.

00:09:24But looking at the Brown-Driver-Briggs dictionary, it seems like this is pretty much foreigner.

00:09:32Foreigner, alien, foreign woman.

00:09:36Jessinius also says that it's also the word that is kindred to the idea of turning aside or departing.

00:09:43So it potentially could be someone who has turned away from Torah or turned away from Israel in their practice.

00:09:50Yeah, the ESV just translates that phrase, adulterous.

00:09:56That's the implication, but it may not be exactly what was intended.

00:10:01Some other thoughts about the young man.

00:10:03This chapter starts out with the father saying to meditate on his words.

00:10:10Keep them in your heart.

00:10:12Meditate on them.

00:10:13Bind them on your hand.

00:10:14This is, it reminds me of, you know, Paul's advice to be in prayer at all times.

00:10:22I don't remember the exact phrase, but, and it doesn't mean walking around, you know, praying, you know, lips moving or, you know, chanting our father or, you know, anything like that.

00:10:33He's talking about having a prayerful attitude at all times, always being meditating on the word, meditating on God, like what, what would God want me to do in these circumstances?

00:10:44Always, always seeing the world through a lens of God's commandments and Yeshua's teachings.

00:10:51And I think if, if you are deliberately meditating on positive and righteous thoughts, it's always more difficult to act wickedly.

00:11:05It's not always possible to meditate, to have righteous thoughts at the front of your mind, but it does discourage the wicked thoughts.

00:11:12Walking past that corner was probably a bad idea.

00:11:16He could avoid places and circumstances where he knows that there are temptations.

00:11:22It seemed like he was idle.

00:11:25If he had been focused on his business, you know, getting to where he needed to be and then coming home or just avoiding that neighborhood, that would have helped him.

00:11:35And just being aware of, of what your own, what your own weaknesses are and what kinds of things are going to tempt you and what the consequences of giving into those temptations are is helpful.

00:11:49Although when you are strongly tempted by something frequently, the consequences aren't in your thoughts.

00:11:56Another thing that he could be doing is watching for characteristics in the people around him.

00:12:02You know, it seems like she was looking for somebody of a particular type.

00:12:08You know, she's got her, her radar tuned to a particular type of guy, and she's going to ignore all the others in general.

00:12:16I mean, unless there's nobody else around and he can do the same kind of thing.

00:12:21Look for a particular type of person and avoid this one and be around that one.

00:12:26And in this case, it seems like he was deliberately trying to be around the wrong kind.

00:12:35And if you're not willing to put up those fences, there's not a lot anybody else can do if you want to say and you're going to.

00:12:43What about the woman?

00:12:44What things could she have done to minimize her temptation?

00:12:50Stay home.

00:12:51I was muted, but I said the same thing, Heidi.

00:12:58Stay home, barefoot and pregnant.

00:13:02It does help.

00:13:04Yeah, I think she could help.

00:13:05Hard to get in trouble that way?

00:13:09Not impossible, but harder.

00:13:12She could have refrained from setting a trap for the man.

00:13:17Yeah, I mean, to me, I'm looking at the scenario and you can basically see in modern terminology that they're both looking for a hookup.

00:13:29They just want something, you know, for a night with no strings attached.

00:13:38And that is much more of a profound problem with our society today than I like to think about or that I'm really, you know, very conscious of.

00:13:57But, you know, you've got various different apps that you can you can utilize to, you know, just connect with somebody for whatever your whatever your thing is that you're looking for.

00:14:12And, yeah, so I see I see this this proverb in general is more applicable today than than I think ever in my lifetime.

00:14:26You know, it's just just more in a general cultural societal way.

00:14:32The wisdom there, I think, is really needed.

00:14:35Yeah, there's no there's no shame in our culture or very little.

00:14:43And shame is a really important thing, I think, for for decades.

00:14:49Even churches really downplayed the idea of shame.

00:14:54Like you shouldn't feel ashamed.

00:14:56Jesus has taken away all your shame.

00:14:59Well, that's true.

00:15:00If you've repented, you don't need to be ashamed of the things that you did before you repented.

00:15:04But but you do need to be ashamed of the things you keep doing.

00:15:09If we had a more appropriate sense of shame in our culture, I think a lot of these things could be avoided.

00:15:16You know, with these people and everybody in real life.

00:15:21Once you get to the point where you have decided that you want to give in to temptation, it's too late to start building fences.

00:15:29You have to do it ahead of time.

00:15:30And so the idea, the awareness that you're going to experience shame if you do this thing and other people find out.

00:15:38That gives you an excuse to start building fences before you get to that point.

00:15:45So if she knows that if she's home alone and her husband is gone on a lengthy trip, that she's going to be tempted to go out to this corner and pick up some strange guy.

00:15:54Well, she knows when he's getting ready to leave, that that's going to be a problem.

00:15:59So before he leaves.

00:16:01Before she feels the pressure of that temptation, she could be having inviting somebody to come stay with her.

00:16:09You know, my husband's going to be away.

00:16:11You know, my sister, she should come stay with me for a couple of weeks or.

00:16:15You know, her mother can come stay with her, something.

00:16:19I don't I don't know who, you know, or what for him.

00:16:23Instead of going out on this business trip alone, maybe he should take his wife with him if that's a practical thing to do.

00:16:30It's he probably does have servants and other people with him.

00:16:34You know, a man with lots of money is not going to be traveling alone.

00:16:36But traveling with people that, you know, and that are close to you, your peers, especially, is going to be more of a deterrent to temptation than people who work for you.

00:16:47Because you're not accountable to them and you can say, all right, you guys stay here and we go take care of business over there.

00:16:53But if you know that's going to be a problem, then take your business partner, take your brother or your father or your sons, take them with you.

00:17:04Because you're going to feel more shame if they find out about what you did than if your servants do.

00:17:12And I think the same thing with her.

00:17:14She may have servants at home, but those aren't going to be a huge deterrent to her temptations.

00:17:19Her sister or her mother or her best friend might be, as long as she's got quality friends.

00:17:26But you have to do those things.

00:17:27You have to put up those fences before they're needed, because once they're needed, you know, the cows have already left the pasture.

00:17:34I think that part of it, too, is that it says in verse 10, all of a sudden a woman meets him dressed as a prostitute with a cunning heart.

00:17:42So, one of the ways that I wrote for her to build fences around herself would be to cultivate a soft heart.

00:17:50If she knows that she can talk herself into behaviors that are cunning and she wants to be different, then she should do the things which would cultivate the opposite in herself.

00:18:02So, I don't necessarily have a cross-the-board answer for what that is.

00:18:09Gratitude is a great way, you know, focusing on the things that you're thankful for, being mindful, serving others in real ways can be super helpful in softening your own heart, helping those who are in need rather than focusing on your own needs, that kind of thing.

00:18:27You know, studying Torah, knowing, you know, what is right.

00:18:32If she is a foreign woman, let's say she is a foreigner, and she doesn't know the way that it's right, well, that's kind of up to her husband to make sure she is, especially in that culture, receiving instruction or having opportunities.

00:18:43And primarily that, you know, he should be leading by example.

00:18:46But then I also just put, don't go out at night and kiss gullible men, then invite them home to have sex with them.

00:18:53And just don't do it.

00:18:55Yeah, don't do that.

00:18:56Not a good idea.

00:18:58But then it was like, that is literally the cardinal right of feminism.

00:19:03That is the thing that they are fighting for.

00:19:07And I'm just like, wow.

00:19:11I think brain's right.

00:19:13I don't know that there's been a time in a long time where this passage has been more appropriate.

00:19:19Yeah, I think I was on the same train of thought as you, because I'm thinking about it in terms of like, our modern culture.

00:19:28You know, I think about like, a woman who's maybe home because her husband's out in a way.

00:19:34You know, first you have the, if the relationship's not really secure.

00:19:41Or, which is very possible, given the circumstances, there's, what's he doing when he's gone?

00:19:50Or that tendency to be tempted to think something might be going on with him and then think like modern life would be, oh, well, if he gets to go do that, then maybe, you know, I can go do this.

00:20:03Or the idea that she doesn't have anything better to do, like what you were talking about, like occupying herself with higher pursuits.

00:20:13You know, a lot of times people in our modern day will, you know, be left at home and be like, well, what am I going to do when that person's gone?

00:20:23And just start thinking about like all the things they could do that they could possibly do.

00:20:29And, you know, if they have certain friends or even if they don't, if they don't have any friends, but they're trying to figure out, like, how do I alleviate this problem I have?

00:20:40They could end up, you know, at the club or wherever, like those places that all kinds of things happen.

00:20:49And if they go to that place, they're going to dress like the people in that place and they're going to, you know, they're going to do all the things that are appropriate.

00:20:55But, you know, for example, like I'm going to go to Vegas next month and the last place I really want to be on the planet is Vegas.

00:21:05But I'm going for a conference and I'm like, oh, if we go somewhere for dinner, because my boss, like from the lab company wants to take us all out to dinner.

00:21:17Or I'm like, should I dress like I'm in Vegas?

00:21:22And then I'm like, no, I don't want to dress like that.

00:21:27But then I also don't want to stick out like a sore thumb and like just stupid things like that come to mind.

00:21:33But I'm thinking, OK, I have to do something that is appropriate to some extent, but not like everybody else.

00:21:44Like maybe I'll wear a sparkly shirt, you know, like it's it's kind of an idea of like she's showing up in a place where obviously there are prostitutes.

00:21:57And so she's dressing like a prostitute and it's not because she hadn't thought it through.

00:22:03She really thought it through. She knew what she was going to do, too.

00:22:06But I just think there's there's a lot that goes into that, the the being swayed by the cultural norms that I think is is partly playing into this, too, of the culture that.

00:22:20Whether she came from a culture like that, which might be the case, or whether she's just going to a place where that's the culture.

00:22:29I don't know.

00:22:30It really does come down to what is in your heart and the kind of person that you have decided that you want to be, whether I mean, we have the benefit of the Holy Spirit that empowers us to be better than our fallen natures would dictate.

00:22:49But even in the world, you know, people make decisions all the time to be a better version of themselves.

00:22:56I mean, we have the capacity to choose to a certain degree.

00:23:00And then, you know, as as believers and followers of Yeshua, we have a responsibility as well.

00:23:07And I think that's that's one of the differences.

00:23:09But I think that it is it is super empowering to say you have the freedom to make different choices.

00:23:15None of them accidentally fell into that.

00:23:20I know a friend of mine got pregnant in high school and I was like, what in the world?

00:23:25She goes, it just happened.

00:23:26It was an accident.

00:23:27I'm like.

00:23:30At 16, I knew better, but it was, you know, it was there was not thoughtfulness involved.

00:23:36And that was, you know, a lack of thoughtfulness on everybody's part to be concerned about the well-being of the other person.

00:23:43This is the person within Israel.

00:23:45If they were caught having adult, you know, committing adultery, they're both dead.

00:23:50Yeah.

00:23:51Yeah.

00:23:51She didn't care about that.

00:23:52He didn't care about that.

00:23:53The husband is gone and he didn't set boundaries or safeguards for her.

00:24:00I think that's a really, really big issue is.

00:24:04She wasn't thinking and he wasn't thinking.

00:24:06Either one of them were thinking about the consequences of their actions for the other person.

00:24:11It will.

00:24:12Maybe they were thinking about it and just didn't care.

00:24:14And I think all of this really boils down to.

00:24:18Do you want to do what's right or not?

00:24:21Or do you want to do what's wrong?

00:24:23If you want to do what's wrong, there's nothing anybody else is going to do about it.

00:24:27You're going to do what's wrong.

00:24:29But if you do want to do the right thing, then there are steps you can take.

00:24:34Yeah.

00:24:35Yeah.

00:24:36And everything she's everything that it's she says, every last thing that she just continues

00:24:44to say in that in that stretch of verses is like there's no thought at all.

00:24:50Except when she's like straight out saying my husband's not home, but there's really no thought

00:24:57about like my marriage is important to me.

00:25:02There's no indication at all that she sees her marriage in the way that I believe that

00:25:10we're supposed to hold our marriage in the way that we're supposed to honor the marriage

00:25:17and one another.

00:25:17And so there's a lack of real commitment or understanding of what that's really about.

00:25:27And maybe because she's a foreigner, maybe she doesn't really understand it.

00:25:33And maybe she's gone along with the whole thing on the surface, but doesn't really have

00:25:40a real regard or understanding at a deep level.

00:25:44And so she's just like, really doesn't matter.

00:25:48And we see that today.

00:25:49I mean, we see that today a lot in a culture that is not accepting of God's design for relationships

00:25:59between men and women.

00:26:01And, and it's, I can just, yeah, I can be married, but it's really only as long as it's convenient

00:26:08for me, whether the consequences were different than in that culture, or there aren't as many

00:26:15consequences in the culture that we live in, in terms of, you know, possible death.

00:26:22There's a lot of death that goes on around marriages that are broken, you know, all kids that are,

00:26:30you know, damaged by that, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:33There's just, it goes on and on.

00:26:36Yeah.

00:26:36It's just, there's, there's more distance between the lightning and the thunderclap.

00:26:41So people aren't making the connection or if they do, it's only with their therapist 20

00:26:46years later.

00:26:48I think too, is that the example that's used here, there's nowhere in the history of humanity

00:26:55in a reasonable society where committing adultery was ever a really great idea.

00:27:03I don't know of any culture that was like, Hey, everybody, I mean, there've been some tribal

00:27:10cultures where there's a whole wife sharing and all that, but I'm talking about, you know,

00:27:15reasonably healthy societies that are upwardly moving or developing or whatever, where adultery

00:27:23has ever been like, Hey, this is a great way to spend your time.

00:27:26Excellent use of, of your resources.

00:27:29And so it's a really obvious one.

00:27:31And yet it is again, because of the nature of sexual immorality, it has to be said over

00:27:37and over again, because somehow every generation thinks that maybe we're the ones who get that

00:27:42right.

00:27:42It's kind of like socialism that way, but we're, we're, we're the ones to get it right.

00:27:45And, uh, you know, if, if we're doing it, I, you know, I, I, I have had friends in the

00:27:51past with, who have just said, you know, if your marriage isn't making you happy, um, you

00:27:57deserve happiness more than anything you do, whatever it is that makes you happy.

00:28:01And if it's not your husband, if it's not your family, then you just got to go out there

00:28:04and find that thing that makes you happy.

00:28:06And I'm, and I remember at one point being a young married woman thinking to myself, as

00:28:12we were struggling that, how would it make me happy to destroy my home?

00:28:17That doesn't make me, I may not be happy over here.

00:28:19I mean, I'm struggling, but I'm not going to be happier with the destruction of my home and

00:28:24my family and my children, but that's not going to make me happier, that there's got

00:28:31to be something better.

00:28:32And, you know, the Lord really worked in me was just an attitude of, of thankfulness

00:28:37and, um, humility to see that maybe I wasn't happy because I wasn't being the person that

00:28:45God wanted me to be, not because Brian was a big fat failure.

00:28:47Yeah, I think having children, well, having children should give people perspective.

00:28:55This, this text doesn't really talk about how old this, this woman or her husband were.

00:29:00Um, we only have some idea of the young man, presumably she's fairly young, but if she had

00:29:06children and she was thinking about her children's future in a culture like this one, especially

00:29:12where they'd be thinking of their children's future marriage prospects from the day they were

00:29:16born, um, I would, I would expect people to have more thought about how is what I'm doing

00:29:25today going to affect my child's future?

00:29:28And what if this other person was my child?

00:29:31How would I want someone, how would I want someone else behaving towards my child?

00:29:38And, you know, people talk like that now, like, do you, would you want a guy like you

00:29:42hanging out with your daughter, those kinds of things?

00:29:46I don't know how much that actually affects people, but it certainly should.

00:29:51I would like to think that it would affect people more than it does, but not having children

00:29:55that takes away a lot, a lot of that opportunity to even think of life that way.

00:30:01You can do it theoretically, but until you actually have children under your care that are your

00:30:07responsibility, I don't think that anybody can really grasp that, that responsibility.

00:30:15Yeah.

00:30:15Well, there was another aspect of this chapter that I wanted to bring out.

00:30:21And that's that, um, especially between this chapter and the previous one, there are a lot

00:30:27of things that we can see about how foolishness and wisdom are contrasted.

00:30:31So, going back to, back to verse five, you know, to keep you from the forbidden, from

00:30:38the forbidden woman, from the adulteress with her smooth words.

00:30:42So, wisdom speaks a certain way.

00:30:46Like, you say to wisdom, you are my sister, and you call insight your intimate friend, but

00:30:52you don't flatter wisdom.

00:30:55So, there's flattery versus truth.

00:30:57The wise person is straightforward.

00:31:02I think that's the way the previous chapter described it, that this person is, is, you

00:31:08can be complex, but uncomplicated.

00:31:11Like, you get, you get what you see, or you see what you get, however that goes.

00:31:17But the, the wise person isn't trying to use their words to trick anybody into anything.

00:31:25They're not lying to you to get you to do things that you, that aren't in your best

00:31:29interests.

00:31:29They're telling you the truth and helping you to judge the facts so that you can make

00:31:35decisions in your own best interests.

00:31:38And then in verse seven, I have seen among the simple, I have perceived among the youths,

00:31:43a man lacking sense.

00:31:45The fool, or the, the adulteress in this case, but it's, you know, she is a fool.

00:31:50So, she targets the vulnerable, she's looking for people who are, who have weaknesses that

00:31:56fit her, I would, I don't want to call them strengths, but, you know, the, the weapons

00:32:02that she's using versus wisdom, who defends the weak, who, who stands up for people.

00:32:09They're both looking for people's vulnerabilities.

00:32:12One is looking to take advantage of them.

00:32:14One is looking to help the other person compensate for them, or to eliminate them.

00:32:20And in verses seven through nine, seen among the simple, I have perceived among the youths,

00:32:26a young man lacking sense, passing along the street near her corner, taking the road to

00:32:30her house in the twilight, in the evening, at the time of night and darkness.

00:32:35So foolishness is looking for opportunities to stray.

00:32:38Whereas wisdom is looking for opportunities to learn, to become more.

00:32:44It's subtracting from yourself versus adding to yourself.

00:32:48And not just yourself, but the people around you too.

00:32:51Looking for opportunities to make the people around you better,

00:32:54or looking for opportunities to break them, to take things away from them.

00:32:59Okay, in verse 10,

00:33:02And behold, the woman meets him dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart.

00:33:05And so once she's found somebody with the vulnerability that she can target,

00:33:14she actively tries to tempt other people into sinning.

00:33:18Whereas the voice of wisdom calls people to repentance.

00:33:23They're both out there on the street calling to people.

00:33:26Just what are they saying?

00:33:27One is saying, hey, come over here.

00:33:29I've got some goodies for you.

00:33:31And the other one is saying, hey, don't go over there.

00:33:33That's going to hurt you.

00:33:35And that really goes back to the flattery versus truth.

00:33:38Although in this case, it's not necessarily flattering the target of the temptation,

00:33:43but flattering the thing that tempts them.

00:33:46Like making it look better than it really is.

00:33:48Hiding its flaws.

00:33:50Hiding the consequences of what's going to happen if you follow that path.

00:33:55Also in verse 10.

00:33:57Scheming versus sincerity and faithfulness.

00:34:02Looking for ways to manipulate people and to maneuver them into doing what you want them to do.

00:34:08Versus laying out the truth and the facts before them and letting them make decisions.

00:34:13And doing the same for yourself.

00:34:15Being honest with yourself about what's going to happen if you go down a certain path.

00:34:19In verse 11.

00:34:22She is loud and wayward.

00:34:24Her feet do not stay at home.

00:34:26The foolish woman is clamorous.

00:34:28She's loud and obnoxious.

00:34:30She's in your face.

00:34:32Whereas wisdom.

00:34:34Wisdom is at the corners and standing on the high places along the roadside.

00:34:39But she's not in the road getting in your face.

00:34:42She's calling out to people saying, hey, come over here.

00:34:45I've got something.

00:34:46I've got something to teach you.

00:34:48Whereas the foolish woman, the adulteress, is getting right down there in your face saying, hey, come over here.

00:34:55And rubbing your nose in the thing that she knows is going to tempt you.

00:35:00Headstrong versus meek.

00:35:03Determined to do to make other people bow to your will or to listen to your words.

00:35:09Versus standing to the side and inviting people to listen.

00:35:14But not running them down.

00:35:15Not chasing them.

00:35:17Leave that up to God later.

00:35:18When they don't listen to wisdom.

00:35:22Straying versus home focused.

00:35:24In verses 11 and 12.

00:35:26Now in the street.

00:35:27Now in the market.

00:35:28And at every corner she lies in wait.

00:35:30Wisdom is also on the street corners and in the market.

00:35:33But she's not there lying at wait.

00:35:35She's there during the market hours.

00:35:37Doing business and inviting people to learn and experience the positive sides of the world.

00:35:43And then she goes home when that time is done.

00:35:47Whereas the foolish woman is probably at home when she ought to be out in the market doing the business of her household.

00:35:57And then at home at night.

00:36:00The roles are reversed.

00:36:03In verse 13.

00:36:05She seizes him and kisses him.

00:36:06And with bold face she says to him.

00:36:09Et cetera.

00:36:10The foolish woman is sexually aggressive and shameless.

00:36:13She doesn't care who out there is seeing her behavior and what she's doing and what she's tempting other people to do.

00:36:22Whereas wisdom.

00:36:23She is dressed modestly and she is inviting people to a feast.

00:36:29But not one that has all these other connotations.

00:36:34I think in I think it's the previous chapter where wisdom calls actually might be might be chapter eight.

00:36:44I'm thinking of.

00:36:45I'm not sure.

00:36:46But wisdom calls and says she's built her house and she she's inviting you to this to this banquet.

00:36:51Whereas fools are saying, you know, this this water is sweet and this bread is is amazing, but there's nothing to it.

00:36:59It's just bread and water.

00:37:01And wisdom is the one who is not.

00:37:04Advertising more than what she's got.

00:37:07Here's the truth.

00:37:08And here's what it can do for you.

00:37:10And not embellishing it more than it requires.

00:37:14It also seems like wisdom is not.

00:37:17She's inviting to a banquet, but she's not the main course.

00:37:22Yeah.

00:37:25So there's there's humility and and other things going on there.

00:37:31I think that also that points to where, you know, the aggressive and shameless person is is definitely all.

00:37:40The center focuses themselves and their needs and desires.

00:37:45Yeah, notice that the two appeal to very different kinds of gain.

00:37:50I mean, they're both telling you, here's what you can gain from coming with me.

00:37:54But the the adulterous woman is offering you material and physical pleasures and all those things fade.

00:38:03They all get used up.

00:38:05Whereas the wisdom is calling out and saying, I'm going to give you honor.

00:38:10I'm going to to improve your name in the community.

00:38:14And, you know, as long as you continue following the path of wisdom, that that value in the name only grows over time and it will outlast you.

00:38:25Potentially for many generations, whereas all of the gold and silver even that you can accumulate in your life.

00:38:32As soon as you're gone, that's all gone to somebody else owns it now.

00:38:36I think what's interesting in this line, this list of things is that those who are foolish will call their foolishness wisdom and they will call your wisdom foolishness.

00:38:50And they will also the the art of projection is strong with the foolish.

00:38:56And especially if you are motivated to be tempted, you want you want to indulge your your sin nature that you will you will be looking for the things that seem to to meet that criteria.

00:39:13So she goes out on the street corner and she sees this guy and she's if he's been there a couple, three times.

00:39:19Right. Then, OK, hey, I was waiting for you because I saw you came by a few times.

00:39:25But there's that, you know, hey, I was looking for you and he's very flattered that she would be looking for him.

00:39:31Wow. OK, I'm cool enough for her to look for.

00:39:35He wanted to be noticed.

00:39:36You think about his where he was and I mean, that that's a whole that's a whole thing is because, you know, there are plenty of of times where, you know, just living your life, you'll be doing something.

00:39:52And you think you're being sincere and faithful, peaceful, meek, kind services, you know, and somebody misconstrues all of your intentions, your your actions to mean this wild thing over here because their heart was not.

00:40:11In a place to receive what you were giving as goodness, probably a wholly different conversation, but that was, you know, one thing that I was noticing in here is that, you know.

00:40:29Let's just give the little guy a benefit of the doubt, maybe that was his route and he was a messenger.

00:40:35That was just the way he went back and forth. I don't think that's true because that's not what the text says.

00:40:40What if? And she comes out. Oh, by the way, I was looking for you and you've come by a few times.

00:40:44So you must be looking for me. And oh, maybe I was, you know, it's just it's one of those pitfalls in interpersonal relationship in the areas of morality where you have to be careful, you have to be wise.

00:40:58Yeah, I think just like the utility of offenses or the lack of utility of those personal fences of morality, when you don't when you want to give in to temptation, they don't do you any good.

00:41:15People also will will see in other people and see in other people's actions and words what they want to see in it, regardless of what's really happening.

00:41:24And that can create its own cascade of problems and lead to those temptations.

00:41:31He went by more than once or that are we like that's what it sounds like in verse nine.

00:41:38It says that are verses eight and nine passing along the street near a corner, taking the road to her house in the twilight in the evening at the time of night and darkness.

00:41:48So twilight is when the sun is going down at the horizon.

00:41:53Evening is just after that. And then at the time of night is after sunset and darkness is the middle of the night.

00:42:00So it seems like he's going past multiple times at the end of the day.

00:42:04So why is he doing that? So it's a curiosity. It's a it's a lustful thing then. Right.

00:42:11And then so the proverb is the warning saying, look, I guess that's what that's what it's all about. Right.

00:42:16This is what you're doing. Be aware. These are the consequences or these are, I guess, some type of warnings of what could possibly happen.

00:42:24Or is it? Yeah. If you if you're out and you see something that is tempting to you, do you turn around and go past it again?

00:42:32Or do you find something else to do? And that's foolish.

00:42:38Yeah. And this this kid took the foolish route and kept going back and she saw him and took advantage of it.

00:42:45They were both out looking for trouble.

00:42:47You know, there's a couple of Bible stories that come to mind when reading this Proverbs and think about Hosea and Gomer and and how I mean, my perspective or my thoughts about Gomer.

00:43:08I mean, Hosea would be that he would be a good husband, that he would be a godly husband, but yet his wife still went out because of that inclination that that he had or that she had.

00:43:25Sorry, that that he knew ahead of time that she had before he even married her.

00:43:31And and. And I, I just find that that fascinating, you know, just just the whole scenario that that he was actually instructed to to take this woman.

00:43:45Knowing that ahead of time. And.

00:43:48And so I, you know, I tend to think because we talked a little bit about what what responsibility would the with the husband in the Proverbs scenario have in that regard.

00:43:59And I think in a general way, we can recognize that there are definitely things that that the husband, that the man can can be doing to possibly decrease or even eliminate that temptation.

00:44:18But ultimately, it it it really is still the woman's choice as to whether she, you know, goes down that road or goes in that direction.

00:44:29And the other the other the other Bible story that comes to mind is is Joseph with.

00:44:38With with I mean, Potiphar's wife, yeah.

00:44:42And and and how, you know, there there seems like there's some similarities between her trying to seduce him at this and the woman in Proverbs trying to seduce the man just, you know, pulling out all the stops.

00:45:01But yet, ultimately, Joseph was not looking for that hookup, he was not looking for that encounter, and his heart was prepared to be able to to stand against the temptation and even even just run from it.

00:45:19And and and at great price, a great price to himself as well.

00:45:25So, yeah, there's interesting contrast there.

00:45:29You know, the the story of Joseph and Tamar with and then I'm not Joseph and Tamar, Judah and Tamar and then Joseph and Potiphar's wife are put in parallel in Genesis.

00:45:40So you can contrast the behavior of the two men, but I hadn't really thought about contrasting the behavior of the two women.

00:45:46And they're both trying to seduce somebody, but their motivations are both very different in their their perceptions are very different.

00:45:58Potiphar's wife, very much like this woman in Proverbs seven, waited until her husband was away on a business trip or on some kind of trip.

00:46:06He was away from home, but she didn't know her target.

00:46:09She wasn't paying any attention to Joseph.

00:46:11She didn't know anything about him.

00:46:12If she did, she would have known that he was not a vulnerable target and she would have gone after somebody else.

00:46:21Tamar, on the other hand, you know, she didn't have a husband at the time.

00:46:25She was waiting for a husband and he was not out looking for trouble.

00:46:31He was out looking for a resolution of trouble.

00:46:35And but she knew her target.

00:46:36She understood who Judah was.

00:46:38She understood his habits, where he went, what he wanted when he went there.

00:46:43And she set him up.

00:46:45And so that, you know, he's like the the bird in this proverb.

00:46:50He flew into her trap and didn't even know there was a trap there until it was already too late.

00:46:54So I kind of want to jump on what Brian was saying about Hosea and Gomer, because that reminds me of a kind of kind of reminds me of the father and his people and his bride, because he knew what he was getting into.

00:47:16He knew that we were going to fail, that we were going to be unfaithful.

00:47:19So he knew it.

00:47:20So in showing Hosea and Gomer, that kind of reminds me like.

00:47:26That's like kind of like us and we're the unfaithful.

00:47:29We're the ones going out doing because we're sinful, honestly, you know, our thoughts, our words, whatever it is every day.

00:47:36But we have Yeshua to help us.

00:47:40Come back and, you know, nobody's perfect, but it's a beautiful thing.

00:47:45That's what that's what when when Brian was explaining it, as soon as he mentioned that, it reminded me of the father in us, Gomer and, you know, I mean, Hosea and Gomer.

00:47:58It's like that's that's that.

00:48:01And then going back when you're talking about Joseph.

00:48:04Yeah, he was.

00:48:05It was.

00:48:05She didn't know him personally.

00:48:07You're right.

00:48:08But she saw him quite a few times.

00:48:11And he was a good looking man.

00:48:14And he was a I don't know.

00:48:18I mean, everybody has their faults, but.

00:48:21He did the right thing by running.

00:48:23And sometimes that's all you can do to get away from a situation and no words need to be spoken.

00:48:30I was thinking of the thing with Joseph is that, you know, one of the things about his character is that he was pretty much single minded.

00:48:36I think that we're kind of called to be almost single minded in the pursuit of God.

00:48:43Right.

00:48:44It's it's something that that's part of the picture of, like, not being distracted is if you're if you're more single minded, you're not going to be as distracted.

00:48:56But it makes it makes it makes me kind of think of this time when I was younger and single.

00:49:01Where, you know, I was I was really friendly to people and it's just there were things I understood, fences that I had built for myself.

00:49:12But there were also things that I just didn't really think of a lot of times.

00:49:18And I remember this one time I was at a party and it was people I worked with and this guy who I had seen at the hospital, he was a patient, but he was married to a colleague.

00:49:31And like all these people around and we're having conversations and I, you know, I've been really friendly to this guy, but I was trying to help him and wasn't, you know, wasn't anything to me.

00:49:43But I guess he mistook my friendliness and he was married to this colleague who was a beautiful woman and he propositioned me like people were not far away, but he like propositioned me just straight out.

00:49:58And I was just floored like I just didn't even know what to say.

00:50:03And finally, I said, what is wrong with you?

00:50:06You have a beautiful wife, you know, and was just like, I mean, I just straight out told him like you.

00:50:12Well, you're stupid like you are you are an idiot like, you know, but it just made me think about how like I was I was a single person and I easily could have fallen into a trap.

00:50:25You know, I easily could have fallen for that kind of thing because, oh, this guy is giving me attention or whatever.

00:50:30But but he just didn't know who I was.

00:50:33He had no clue what kind of person I was.

00:50:36And I think he really mistook my friendliness for like, oh, I must be I must be interested.

00:50:43I must be open or whatever.

00:50:45And and I just thought that was interesting because I think I think there's something true about how we present ourselves in the public.

00:50:55People who are vulnerable are looking for something.

00:50:59They mistake what they're seeing on the surface and not realize like we're not those people.

00:51:07We're not those kind of people.

00:51:08But I'm sure in that culture, it was not it was a lot easier to tell than in, you know, modern day.

00:51:21Yeah.

00:51:22I can I can I can relate to that because I am so outgoing and so friendly and I get accusations all the time.

00:51:29And then it hurts because because I'm not I'm so lovey-dovey.

00:51:37I believe it.

00:51:38No, because I got I got in trouble and I'm like, well, I'm like, I was confused and I didn't know better.

00:51:44I guess I'm just too friendly.

00:51:46And and I'm kind of afraid because I have a daughter that's like that, too, but hopefully she learns the from my experience because I do share my experiences with my family.

00:51:58So they have an understanding because I want them to learn and for my mistakes.

00:52:04And so, you know, I can relate to you.

00:52:07It's weird how I can, but I can and I can understand where you're coming from as well, because sometimes it does feel that way.

00:52:14So I appreciate your comments.

00:52:17Yeah, I think that's even more true for women than it is for men.

00:52:23You know, you can get yourself into trouble by being overly friendly just because people misinterpret that.

00:52:29But men are much more likely to misinterpret that than women are, especially men who suffer from nice guy syndrome.

00:52:37You know, speaking from personal experience, you're not used to women smiling and being very friendly.

00:52:44So when a woman is very outgoing and friendly like that, it's easy to misinterpret and to think that she's flirting with you when really she's just being friendly.

00:52:53But it takes, you know, it takes some experience with people and a lot of self-awareness and a lot of awareness of how other people behave to be able to interpret those things correctly.

00:53:07And if you don't have the social skills to be able to, to build that confidence in yourself or in your ability to understand other people, then you're going to set traps for yourself.

00:53:21And unfortunately, other people suffer for it.

00:53:25I think psychology is something good to get into, to have a sense of understanding.

00:53:29One of the commentaries I read was talking about in verse four, it says,

00:53:44Say to wisdom, you are my sister and call understanding your relative.

00:53:48And they were, they were using that as a kind of, they extrapolated on that, that this young foolish man would have benefited from a close relationship with a sister or with other women of integrity that were not, you know, trying to make themselves physically or sexually available, obviously.

00:54:11But having, but having, having those kinds of female relationships are really good safeguards for young men.

00:54:19And I just thought that was such an incredible piece of insight because that is a piece that is missing.

00:54:26Often in our society, when you have one or two children, it is very common for siblings to be not close.

00:54:35Everyone's, you know, kind of living their own independent life and all of that.

00:54:37Um, it's less common for people to be close to their siblings than it is for them to be estranged.

00:54:44Um, and I just kind of putting it in that context is that when men know how women are, because they're engaging with women that don't take those, she must like me boxes, then it gives them a greater discernment when they are with the women they might be interested in.

00:55:02Unless they're determined to sin and they want to misunderstand and they, whatever, I can't, I can't speak to that.

00:55:08But I just, I do know that.

00:55:11I remember when our, our sons were growing up, I told Brian once I said, um, two very different young men.

00:55:19Dylan is very physical.

00:55:21He needs to be touched a lot.

00:55:23He's just that kid that needs hugs and kisses and all of that.

00:55:26And I said, we can give that to him or he'll find it somewhere else.

00:55:28Um, Isaac needed engagement, a lot of verbal dialogue engagement.

00:55:34And it was as, as pretty much the primary female in their life.

00:55:38I really felt that it was responsible for me.

00:55:41It was responsibility for me to help them navigate in that realm.

00:55:47But the, the idea was that I wanted them to be around women of good character.

00:55:52And I tried to model that myself so that when they were confronted with women of poor character, they actually had something to compare it and contrast to.

00:56:02I used to work with a guy who brought up in a, in a very troubled family and he had been, had lots of failed relationships himself.

00:56:10And, uh, you know, we worked closely together on a lot of projects.

00:56:16And so of course we're always talking about the things that, that guys talk about when they're working.

00:56:21The thing that really puzzled me is that we were attracted to totally different kinds of women.

00:56:29Physically, um, character, everything was different.

00:56:34And I never understood it.

00:56:36I understood it in a theoretical level.

00:56:40I could see that there's a particular type of woman that he's attracted to because he's looking for something completely different than I am.

00:56:49Um, and he was looking for this woman in Proverbs seven.

00:56:53And so that's what he saw around him.

00:56:56And he didn't even notice women who didn't fit that target demographic.

00:57:01And for myself, I was repulsed by those women.

00:57:05Uh, they hold, held almost no attraction to me at all.

00:57:09And I think it really was about her, her different upbringings.

00:57:13You know, I grew up in a, an intact Christian family with great parents, uh, great models of women, both in my mother and in my sisters.

00:57:24He didn't have any of that.

00:57:25His parents were abusive.

00:57:27His mother was all over the place.

00:57:30His, uh, sisters hated him.

00:57:33And so he looked for women like his mother and sisters.

00:57:38Yeah, in a way, it's kind of how, I think that's kind of how it works.

00:57:41You know, when, when the daughter or son leaves their parents, they want to kind of get with somebody that.

00:57:47It's like, when I was a kid, I prayed for, to God, I didn't know better, but I prayed.

00:57:56I said, God, give me a woman, a wife.

00:57:59If I ever get married, give me a wife who takes care of me, who cleans, cooks, does everything.

00:58:04And he blessed me with it.

00:58:05Now I can't get this woman to stop doing everything.

00:58:07She just, she does everything.

00:58:10But, um, then I, then I took it for granted and not realizing that the blessing has been here and I just need to keep, I need to do my part.

00:58:22You know, just as a husband, as a dad, father, all together.

00:58:26It's a beautiful, it's a beautiful arrangement, the marriage.

00:58:29Um, but yeah, I mean, I thought that's how it's supposed to be because that's all my mom did.

00:58:35And she, she, she lived a kind of a crazy life, but she also, uh, she worked all the time.

00:58:42She was always gone working and taking care of people.

00:58:46And so I thought that's how it's always, I thought one parent does it all, you know, kind of.

00:58:53So that's kind of how it's, sometimes I feel like that.

00:58:56Sometimes I feel kind of bad about it sometimes because sometimes I feel like she's doing everything.

00:59:01And I have to kind of have a self-evaluation, make sure I'm doing my part as a.

00:59:08Yeah, that can be, that can be good motivation for building your own character.

00:59:13A little competition isn't always bad.

00:59:17Husbands should always do more dishes.

00:59:19I'm just saying.

00:59:24That's kind of hard for me, but yeah, I should, you said husbands.

00:59:27Joseph has seven dishwashers at home.

00:59:34Yeah.

00:59:37Well, not quite seven yet.

00:59:40At last, I'm a little bit, a bit too young.

00:59:43It makes me think about like the conversation that we used to have, Jay, when I guess when we were early married.

00:59:50Um, just that idea of like, um, being motivated to be better for the other person, that whole thing.

01:00:03That's what I, I can appreciate that.

01:00:07It's actually a joke for me to tell Brian to do anything in my kitchen because I generally kick him out as soon as he comes in.

01:00:13It's my space.

01:00:14It's my office.

01:00:15I don't, I don't work in your office.

01:00:16You don't work in mine.

01:00:17So that's why it's funny for me to tease him about doing dishes.

01:00:21Um, I had a couple thoughts.

01:00:23Um, one is that the, this chapter really speaks to the role of men in society to protect and preserve culture.

01:00:35And I, I, I, you know, I know that Solomon is using this as an allegory metaphor or whatever to discuss an issue.

01:00:44And so I don't want to take away from that, but I do, I guess.

01:00:49Anytime someone says, but what they really want to say comes after that and everything before that was just garbage to fill.

01:00:56Um, the, the role of, you have the king, the husband, and the, and the young man all having, uh, roles to play within this culture.

01:01:05And so the king or the, or the, the older man who's observing through the lattice in his window sees this young foolish man going back and forth in front of the prostitute's house.

01:01:15And he does nothing.

01:01:16He just sits there and writes a story about it.

01:01:20He doesn't engage.

01:01:21He doesn't go out and like, Hey dude, want to come in for a coffee?

01:01:23We need to talk.

01:01:24Um, the husband, if she is a foreigner, then he's unequally yoked, not with someone who, who holds the same faith, the same ideals.

01:01:35He apparently has not left her with a household to manage.

01:01:39Um, because if you're managing a household, you don't have time and energy to give to all this other stuff.

01:01:43You're just tired.

01:01:45No kids.

01:01:45He leaves her alone.

01:01:46So there's more of a neglected.

01:01:47So in that he's not protecting what is happening within his own town, even to know that his wife is untrustworthy.

01:01:55And if he leaves her alone and unprotected, then he's not functioning in a responsible way within his community.

01:02:02He has that responsibility within his community to be wise.

01:02:07And then also the young man is willing to be taken advantage of, has a heart to commit sin and stays alone in a vulnerable place.

01:02:16And so all of these, these three, you know, from leadership to home, to community, all of these opportunities to preserve and protect, um, their community, their culture, and even, even this woman to, to intervene on her behalf, they all failed in that.

01:02:39And I, and I think of that within, within the body of Messiah, you know, you have a pastor who's seeing things happen and never says anything.

01:02:48He's watching the young man be foolish and he never says anything.

01:02:51He doesn't take them aside and say, Hey, bud, you have husbands that see their wives behaving foolishly and they're not engaging.

01:02:58They're too busy playing golf or going to work all the time or whatever.

01:03:02They're neglecting that responsibility.

01:03:04And you have young men who are left to their own devices and don't have a heart to be honorable.

01:03:09And it's just, it was just, I don't know, that was kind of a broader scale application that I thought was interesting.

01:03:17Left to their own devices with the internet.

01:03:21Right.

01:03:21So there's a parade of stuff going on there.

01:03:26Good luck with that.

01:03:27If you're not focused and have a heart to be righteous.