00:00The Shadow Minister for Work and Pensions, Danny Kruger.
00:03Danny, I don't know if you got a chance to hear what we were saying
00:06or if you watched any of Glastonbury or this Bob Villan guy
00:12and what he came out with yesterday.
00:14What do you think about what's going on there?
00:19Well, he's not an artist I'm familiar with,
00:21but I heard all about him in the last few days.
00:23Yeah, I mean, pretty disgraceful that, first, Glastonbury would host this,
00:27secondly, the BBC would broadcast it,
00:30and thirdly, that the crowd would chant along in the way they did.
00:33I mean, you know, some infantile artist trying to make himself famous
00:37by being anti-Semitic on stage is one thing.
00:40It's really distressing that so many people thought it was acceptable
00:43to agree with him that we should be inciting the death of IDF soldiers.
00:48So, I mean, pretty appalling,
00:50and I hope that the police are looking into it now.
00:53So there's already been criticism of the police
00:55that they haven't arrested this guy
00:57over the appalling hate speech at Glastonbury Festival,
01:01and also comparisons being drawn with the case of Lucy Connolly,
01:05who was, of course, jailed for 31 months last year
01:08for inciting racial hatred after publishing a post on X.
01:13Can you see that comparison?
01:14What do you make of that?
01:16Is it two-tier justice?
01:18Yes, I can.
01:18Well, I think it is.
01:22I mean, you know, I don't think that the Lucy Connolly sentence
01:25was proportionate to her offence.
01:27It was wrong what she did,
01:29but they really threw the book at her,
01:31and they should do the same in this case.
01:34I mean, this is, in a sense, more serious.
01:36This was a public figure on a public stage
01:38inciting the death of others.
01:41And, listen, I don't know what exactly
01:43the appropriate police action should be
01:45or what the sentence should be if this artist is convicted.
01:49But I think it is important that we take it really, really seriously.
01:51We can't give the impression that aggressive and unpleasant messages
01:55about one side of our terrible culture war are unacceptable,
01:59but on the other side, it's OK to say this sort of thing.
02:02So we've got to have balance and fairness.
02:04And, as I say, I think there's an aggravating factor
02:07that this was a very, very public act
02:10that this artist was performing.
02:11Danny, what sort of message are you giving out on the benefits bill?
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