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00:00when i think giants frustration and in fact a lot of times when there's games like this
00:04uh one of the people i will text is uh is is none other than butcher boy joe shasky
00:08um and so uh he's uh he's joining us right now on the river islands guest line
00:13uh maybe to get it off his chest a little bit too um hey joe what's going on man how are you
00:19what's up fellas uh wow i mean the marlins dude 97 03 a few years ago lou brinson making hunter
00:27strickland break his wrist and now this i mean i thought we turned the corner after the red socks
00:33and they gave up 11 hits tuesday i think 13 or 14 hits wednesday which is last night and then 11
00:40again today i mean we have 40 hits in a three-game series it's crazy eight runs per game for the
00:49marlins in this series um and and and for me but you know like it's baseball they're professionals too
00:56even though we haven't heard of any of them so there's the baseball side of it but i really i
01:01don't understand what just took place where it's like you get hit by pitches for a few weeks and then
01:07you decide the marlins are the ones where you're going to take it out on and and you're going to
01:11tell them about it beforehand i didn't understand what just took place well you're going to hit the
01:16third batter of the game i just there's two outs if you're in the first inning it's a young pitcher
01:22and hayden burtson who the last couple starts haven't been great it's not like uh we need to
01:28just put guys on for free you're already doing that as a staff the last couple of days anyway like
01:33i understand the whole like retribution and trying to you know get one back for the gipper it's 2025
01:40i mean it's just it's 2025 like we got to move on this and this team needs to get out of some of
01:46these innings without base runners on that i thought it was bizarre i listened to guru before we were
01:51leaving the station today you know because we got to hit somebody i don't do like look this isn't
01:571988 but i i just i don't know i just i never am gonna be like you gotta hit a guy throwing 100
02:03miles an hour especially when you're a young player who's not established like birdsong i just thought
02:08it was terrible and then next guy gets on boom three run home run you're down three nothing like
02:13okay i'm glad we got that off our chest and hit someone i mean what good did that do yeah i might do
02:19some good if you were intentionally thrown out but i look at the game last night butch and it was
02:24an 0-2 curveball that exactly and then the next pitch it's clear that their reliever had no command
02:30of the zone and it's unfortunate you've been hit eight more times than you've hit the opponents but
02:35if you look at the league average they are dead on the number in terms of how many times they've been
02:40hit by pitches and the thing i was saying to mark is if you do want to send a message why don't you
02:46wait until later in the game and wait until you got a guy throwing 102 and put one in somebody's
02:50ribs exactly there's a time and a place and you don't do it to the three hitter so that you get
02:56the four hitter up you know in the first inning of the game i guess just the whole thing was bizarre
03:00to me but that's like why the giants lost this series and not where they're at right now they're
03:04at where they're at right now guys it looks like their pitching looks really tired just for whatever
03:08reason you know i don't know what was good yesterday but for whatever reason um their pitching has
03:14kind of hit a wall here robin ray hasn't looked as good the last couple starts verlander i mean
03:19your guess is as good as mine i think hayden birdsong is a young guy who looked like he just didn't
03:24really have great command today camilo duvall i mean do you trust the fastball or not it's a pretty
03:30straightforward thing i mean my god 10 000 sliders last night and then situational hitting with runners
03:36in scoring position how many two out hits did the marlins get with a runner on over and over and over
03:42again and then matt williams i mean my god oh man uh green light red light i mean i look and here's
03:49the hard part i have with this like that was the legend like he is a giant legend and everyone fire
03:54him like can we tuck the brakes a little maybe take them off the third base i don't want him and
04:00pap roll fire give me a break yeah i'm not in them in the fire anybody mode but here's what my read on
04:07the matt williams situation i don't think matt is suddenly a dummy or doesn't understand exactly whether
04:12or not somebody can score i think we've seen this on and off throughout the whole year with the giants
04:18which is that their staff does not believe that the next guy can get a hit
04:21they just don't they don't this is this is why they but this is why they're sending runners
04:28their belief is it's more likely that somebody else in the outfield is going to make a bad throw
04:33then our next hitter is going to go get a hit i get to 100 it i think you're 100 and i think that
04:39they're emphasizing this in between innings in between games like this is what coaching staff
04:44talked about during the dead period when when everyone's playing defense like i i'm 100 with you
04:49like look i love the flan man everybody loves flannery i watched him get buster posey thrown out i felt
04:55like 5 000 times early in his career i'm not kidding look it up i remember it vividly um and i love the
05:02flan man these things happen throughout a time it's just this team right now is driving me look are
05:07there some silver linings yeah i think adamus has actually looked really good like i really do i i
05:13think his swing looks better his approach looks better defensively he's looked way better so maybe
05:19he's more comfortable to the field jung lee these at bats today were the best they've been in a while
05:24you know devers looks good there are some silver linings ac schmidt has been awesome i know we got
05:30to see what's going on with the wrist but like i mean i'm grasping at straws here fellas i don't even
05:35know i just uh no it's all caps mode and we love it joe shasky here on willard and dibs on 95
05:41seven the game so you normally you'd go to the south side and you'd be licking your chops against
05:47will venable's team and the chicago white socks but right now you kind of limp in and i was asking
05:53mark this before the show butch what about devers playing third would you want to see it and are you
05:58getting the sense that mark is that that's kind of a non-starter uh i don't think his join is 100
06:05healthy if it was i wouldn't be opposed to it look i'm the guy who's saying in the offseason
06:10i would look to try to lose some weight if i'm devers and maybe slide over to second base like i'm dead
06:16serious on that cry it out if it's so bad you can always abort mission why not i mean at this point
06:23i'm trying to get as many backs in the lineup as possible um i understand there's some risk and
06:27all that like but there's risk when he's running the bases and matt william gets thrown out by
06:32500 feet the other day so i'm open to anything at this point dibs here's the sucky part right now
06:38wilmer's ice cold and wilmer is a terrible defensive first baseman he just is he literally can't even
06:44hold guys on he has to stay two feet off the bag because he's so slow bouncing and bouncing into
06:50defensive position after the pitcher goes to throw look it up look like watch it it's crazy
06:54um and then they need casey schmidt back like i i can't believe i'm saying that sentence but they
07:00need the high price guys like they need their high price guys to play well adonis jungle lee and they
07:06need chapter back bad like bad yeah they do they do but i just like i hear all of your ideas
07:12what's it i'm not i'm not against any of them but i think to dibs's point the the giants behavior
07:19is telling us that they are not going to put rafi devers at an infield position they're just not
07:25gonna like first base yes but one of the positions that needs movement they're just they're not going
07:31to do it today they're not going to do it look the second i think the most difficult position is
07:36shortstop but there's an argument to be made the second most difficult position is third base by far
07:41um if you just omit catching all together as its own unique thing almost like being a quarterback
07:47um so you're not wrong like i'm not saying you guys are wrong but they're so desperate right now i
07:53mean the irony is christian costo the at-bats haven't produced a lot i think he's hitting the ball pretty
07:59well yeah i know this sounds crazy um he's hitting the ball pretty well which oh my god on this team i
08:06mean yeah he's been on fire now he's cooled off a little in terms of plushness but this team right
08:11now has a bunch of guys that are going off you didn't expect and then the high price guys just
08:17aren't performing and i'm really worried about the pitching right now guys like that to me is the
08:22number one thing you know lander rup is in uncharted territory in terms of any logs uh bird song has
08:28never pitched at the professional level this deep last year was was the first time he's gone into
08:33july and august this deep verlander who knows i don't know if carson was an un is ready to
08:38contribute as he pitched this deep into his season ever like i think they're in some trouble here with
08:43the pitching i think they they're like face planning to the all-star break sasky you got some good energy
08:48today but i'll be honest with you i thought you'd be even more mad than you are no i'm not because
08:54let's take a step back like a year ago i wanted the gm gone they didn't have you know a handful of
08:59players i even liked you know so right now they've got they got rafael devers i mean what a great trade
09:05that was i mean he's got to play well but what a great trade casey schmidt like is balling right
09:10now ramos is balling ramos should be your all-star ramos is having a hell of a year like i didn't see
09:16this coming um you know the trade with robbie ray ended up being a pretty damn good trade after a
09:22horrible mitch hanniger side so like there's a lot of positive things to be to be happy with and i'm
09:27trying to have perspectives like i really am this this team was unwatchable for large stretches of
09:34the last five years they're a fun team they're maddening they drive me crazy but i have had more
09:40fun watching them in the last three months than i've had i would say since the penniless of 2021
09:45yeah no i agree with you but uh but these three games they were gabe kapler's revenge i hope you
09:51understand that oh god i know you see him you see him in his white suit this this this week did you
09:59see that of course i did my boy cream the barber my boy cream the barber he cuts my hair he also cuts
10:07gabe kapler's hair and i'm just like he loves gabe he's like gabe's a great guy and i'm just
10:12gabe drives me nuts he's just if you have to look in the mirror for 45 minutes before you come out of
10:19the clubhouse whether you're mike tomlin lining up your beard or gabe kapler i'm just like what are
10:24we doing like what are we doing just go coach the team dude let's go i didn't know i i did not know
10:30that gabe kapler got haircuts i did not know he gets lined up i mean it's called getting lined up
10:36yeah mark that's what the kids call it you know it's like mike tomlin your beard is that meticulous
10:41i just i mean come on man we're we're old we're wake up out of bed we roll on we put on some pants
10:46let's go um all right man go uh go enjoy the rest of your thursday and uh and hopefully this
10:53will get better in chicago this weekend full disclosure it's lj and me downstairs in the
10:58basement i just ordered shakeshack for the two of us and mom's not coming home till late because
11:03she's got a work thing so yeah cheeseburgers and french fries baby out of baby good parenting right
11:08there as i told you thursday is the best day of the week this is the stuff that happens on a
11:13thursday it's a it's a pseudo friday and guess what i'm pulling a stretch five next week dibs
11:20you're going to be real happy the warriors might uh acquire me i'm so stretch fighting i like it and
11:26you mean around the fourth right oh come on baby gotta add the third off the fourth off
11:32yeah i might even wrap around to the seventh you know i'm just i'm kind of testing the waters
11:37like bed back and beyond in uh in old school i don't have time i gotta see what my schedule's
11:43looking like i gotta freak this saturday both with you guys yeah no doubt and i'm glad you
11:47used it appropriately because the only time it's a stretch whatever is when it's around a day that
11:53you already get off from your job like if you just take a monday and a friday that's not a stretch
11:58four that's you taking two days off but when you stretch around a holiday that you already get
12:03that's when it becomes a stretch five well guru's got what we call the moses he takes 40 days and 40
12:10nights to wander the desert in between going up to work well i mean a hundred people at a family
12:18reunion i get it i'm surprised he came back as quickly as he did well and then he has the
12:24merusalem cruisers where what are the jeans with the like see-through open toe shoes and the cutoff i go
12:30what are you wearing i love you guru oh my god it's absolute perfection um all right buddy go go
12:38have shake shack and watch the second round of the draft god the trap is so bad have a good one guys
12:45all right see you shasky
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