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The Jeremy Kyle Show - 26th April 2019
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00:30This guy, Wayne, is in a new relationship with Jemima. Yes.
00:52They're playing happy families. You haven't seen your kids for three months.
00:56She doesn't like the fact that Wayne's still in love with you.
00:59Well, he's trying to get me back so many times. Has he? What, whilst he's been with her? Yes.
01:04I've never played with them kids. How have I been playing with them kids? Them kids hate you. You've left them kids so many times just to go and get me on me.
01:14Every time he breaks up with her, he comes basically protecting you. You are easy, that's why he runs to you.
01:20Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to today's JK Special Vault Show, where we're looking at some of our most shocking Axis stories over the years before brand new JK Show starts Monday morning at 9.25.
01:37First up today, Grandmothers at War. Take a look at this.
01:41Oli, your son, would like to be on the show, would have liked to have been, but some medical history and issues are standing in his way. You're here defending him.
01:52You are saying now, my son's ex is stopping the family from seeing a child that I'm very close to, I bonded with, and it smacks slightly of playing God because everything was fine until she and Oli went their separate ways.
02:07She got with a new bloke and suddenly, I've been pushed out. That's right. They split about six, seven weeks ago. In that time, both Oliver and myself have been trying to see her.
02:21Um, they've been contacts arranged. She's changed her mind. She's stopped him. She's saying she can't, you can't have it.
02:29Why?
02:30She's saying he's an unfit dad. Um, she doesn't, she doesn't.
02:33But he was fit up to six weeks ago.
02:34Yeah.
02:35That's what I want to ask you. From the baby being born and them still together until the point at which she left her six weeks ago, was he involved in the baby's life?
02:45Yes.
02:46So he's an unfit father now, but he was a fit father then?
02:49Yeah.
02:49And were you involved?
02:50Um, yeah, I mean, I went up and I supported Oliver with things and I saw Destiny and we spent the birthday together and things like that.
02:59But you were never banned and neither was he?
03:02No.
03:02And you must be thinking that it's because he doesn't want to be with her anymore?
03:05Yeah, definitely.
03:06Um, you described her and I'm not, you know, I'm just repeating what has been said. You said that in the relationship, and one of the reasons that Oliver finished it was that she was very controlling.
03:15She did come across being very controlling. Um, he, he didn't, he, he couldn't go out. Um, even when I took him to the dentist or anything like that and he asked me for a lift to take him anywhere, um, Amy would be there.
03:28Yeah.
03:28You say, you say she's dissing your family now.
03:31Yeah.
03:31She's brought up something that happened to you. You explain it in your own words. She's brought up something that she's using as an excuse, isn't she?
03:37I believe that, um, Amy is using the reasons that during, um, I have other children and when they were, when they were young, I had four children under 10, under, actually under, yeah, under nine, 10 years old. Um, I, I struggled. I was a young parent.
03:57You asked for help. You took that help. Then you got your kids back. You're saying that Amy's now using that to say you're a rubbish parent. Why would I allow you near your grandchild?
04:06She's also saying that Oliver is a rubbish dad. Why would I let him near the child? I go back to this again. Up until six weeks ago when he decided he didn't want to be with her anymore.
04:15You were a good grandmother and he was a good father, but suddenly she's done a 360 and is now with a new bloke and that's your gripe, yeah?
04:22Yeah, um, I mean, I didn't, we didn't even know about her being with, um, somebody new.
04:26Yeah, where's the new boyfriend? What's your name?
04:29It's Luke.
04:30It's not really fair, is it, just because she's with you, that, that suddenly this guy's not allowed to see his kid?
04:34No, that's not the case at all. The fact is she has been trying. Yeah, she's, it's been a few occasions that's something popped up and she had to do that, but she's not been stopping the contact at all.
04:44Yes, she has. No, she hasn't. Yes, she has. There's messages, she's been stopping him from seeing him, she's, she's made arrangements.
04:49Yeah, but I don't like the fact, I don't like the fact that you or Arlie are using me as an excuse.
04:54And then she's told him she can't, he can't see her because he's a bad dad. He does, she doesn't trust him with her, she doesn't trust anybody else with her.
05:01How long have you been with her? And she's never leaving her side.
05:03I've been with her...
05:05Four weeks, apparently.
05:06About, yeah, for a little over four weeks.
05:08Four weeks, four weeks.
05:09Yeah, but I've known her, I've known her for four years.
05:14Sorry? I've known her for four years.
05:16Hey, has she lined you up?
05:18No, there's not that much.
05:19She got over him pretty quickly.
05:21My question to you remains...
05:22She was blind.
05:23My question to you remains the same, I'm not having a go at you.
05:26She definitely is there, mate.
05:26Hold on one second.
05:28Let me, let me put this.
05:29A woman scorned by the love of her life who walks away when they've got a young child, and, and you need to answer this.
05:37For all but six weeks of this kid's life, the grandmother's okay to have the child, the father's a good dad.
05:45The minute he says, I'm calling time, he's a waste of space and a danger, she's no good.
05:51You arrive on your white steed, not having a go at you, and suddenly, what am I getting?
05:55Oh, I'm probably going to hear from you, you're a better dad.
05:58I ask you now, if they were both so bad, why didn't that lady make that decision up before six weeks ago?
06:05Come on.
06:10It's like, of course, it's not, it's like I've already told Amy, that I don't know the history of Ali and his mom.
06:18But you're out here defending her?
06:19No, no, no, no.
06:20You actually introduced them, Amy and Ali, together.
06:23No, look, I, I introduced, I introduced Ali to Amy.
06:27You snuck in quite quickly when he finished, didn't you?
06:29I was with Amy to start with.
06:31Oh.
06:32Yes, but we wasn't, you know, we wasn't ready.
06:34You're waiting in the wings, were you?
06:35No, we wasn't ready.
06:36Well, nuclear family.
06:37Is that in between Amy and mom, you mean?
06:39Mom?
06:41You were with her mom?
06:42No.
06:43Oh, my God.
06:43Are you joking, Julie?
06:44Julie, are you joking?
06:46You're joking?
06:46Okay.
06:48Well, she was...
06:48How dare you?
06:49How dare you?
06:50I don't know if she's been with her, but apparently, she's been with both.
06:53What, what, what, what's, what's her mom called?
06:55Let's get Lisa, the mom, on the Jeremy Kyle show, out of here, come on.
07:04You've been with him?
07:06No chance.
07:08No chance.
07:08What have you heard?
07:09Say what, how dare you?
07:11How dare I?
07:11I'm just saying what I heard.
07:12Yes, I dare you.
07:13How dare you?
07:14He's been with you both.
07:15Pardon?
07:15He's been with you both.
07:16Who's told you that?
07:18Who's told you that?
07:20Who's told you that?
07:21You've got very angry about it.
07:22Yeah, you are.
07:23Yeah, I am very angry about it.
07:23Have you been with them?
07:24I haven't, no.
07:25You put your head in your hand.
07:27Eh?
07:27You put your head in your hand.
07:28Oh, God, like that.
07:28Well, no, because the whole situation...
07:30I used to work with Ollie.
07:31Oliver.
07:32Yeah?
07:33Can I ask you, Corey?
07:34Let me put it to you, because all I've had is histrionics.
07:36Explain something to me, and I'm not judging you.
07:39Up until six weeks ago, when her son, who wanted to be here but can't for medical reasons,
07:44decided to part ways with your daughter, she as a grandmother was...
07:48Well, I hate allowed, because it's always the paternal grandparents who get it, and suddenly
07:52you're the best thing since sliced bread.
07:53But, right, up to six weeks ago, she's allowed to be involved.
07:58I think he came here.
07:59I picked your son out, because he's my phone phone phone.
08:01He's my phone phone phone.
08:01Hold on a second.
08:02Six weeks up until six weeks ago, she was allowed to see the grandchild.
08:07Ollie was allowed to see his son.
08:08Now your daughter is saying she's no good and he's no good.
08:12Well, somebody on your side answer this question.
08:15That looks like she's not happy at being dumped and he's using the kid as a weapon.
08:19That's a fact.
08:20Answer that.
08:22It was for it.
08:23Okay, I won't.
08:26Help me out.
08:27Go on.
08:28Go on.
08:28Amy actually left Ollie.
08:31Amy actually left Ollie.
08:32No, she didn't.
08:33Yes, she did.
08:33Why is she changing?
08:34Amy, Amy tried.
08:35Amy, Amy tried.
08:36So, why is Amy that actually going on?
08:38Amy tried to your son.
08:38Amy tried to your son.
08:40Your son, you damaged your son.
08:42You damaged your son.
08:44You know what?
08:44You go on, mate.
08:45You've got four kids.
08:46I've got four kids.
08:48There's no way my kids are going to care.
08:50I've got it.
08:51I've got it.
08:52I've got five kids.
08:53Who the hell do you think you are?
08:56Once I've let you, once I've let you go away, you know nothing.
08:59Who are you?
09:00Yes, I do.
09:01Who are you?
09:01Yes, I do.
09:03Are you sitting in each other's bed still, are you?
09:05Well, you're completely wrong.
09:07Can you do me a favour?
09:08I'm sorry, Ollie.
09:09Can you do me a favour and come on when I say it?
09:11Daughters, fella, you have.
09:14What, with Luke?
09:15Yeah.
09:15No chance.
09:16You're blamed Luke as well.
09:18Let's get on to text testing.
09:18Could you do me a favour?
09:19I want a test.
09:20I want a test, please.
09:22You want a test?
09:22I'm Oliver's other parent.
09:25I brought him up for the last 20 years.
09:27Right, take a seat.
09:28I'm not doing this.
09:29Just sit down because I'm confused.
09:31Just wait a minute.
09:32I'm confused.
09:33My head's spinning.
09:34Have you slept with your daughter's boyfriend?
09:35That's what he's saying.
09:37And you were in a relationship, an abusive relationship, were you?
09:39No, no.
09:40That's what you've said.
09:41Yeah, right.
09:42Just like when you went...
09:44Because I stayed in the house, yeah?
09:46I had a hyper and my blood sugar.
09:48I stayed in the house.
09:49And apparently because I stayed in the house and he thinks that I'm...
09:51He came from you, darling.
09:53He came from you.
09:54I don't even know you.
09:55How long you've been in Arlie's life, yeah?
09:5720 years.
09:58So, sorry, what's your name?
10:04Emily.
10:05You're her ex-partner?
10:06Yes.
10:07This lady brought Ollie up for 20 years.
10:09They were together, yes?
10:10They also have a child together.
10:14They also have a child together.
10:17Interesting, isn't it, that they're not together and this woman's defending?
10:19Who is Destiny's auntie.
10:22Auntie.
10:23Who also has a right to see Destiny.
10:24She misses it.
10:25She wants to see it.
10:26If she's asking about it.
10:27Emily, what's your take on this story?
10:30Basically, I always tried with Amy.
10:32I always tried with Amy.
10:34I always made Amy welcome.
10:35She never wanted to come round.
10:37She never wanted anything to do with us.
10:38It was always Oliver had to go to her mum's.
10:41I made her welcome.
10:42Last time she came to my house, she took £40 off me.
10:45And we've never seen her again.
10:47You gave it to her for Destiny.
10:48Yeah, I did.
10:49You gave it to her.
10:49Yes, you gave it to her.
10:50On the understanding.
10:51On the understanding.
10:53Did I say she took it?
10:54She's taken it.
10:55You offered it to her.
10:56Yes, they're taken it as in passing it over.
10:58She took it from me.
11:00And I gave it for Destiny.
11:02My grandchild.
11:04My grandchild.
11:05You know, like at the birthday party when you were going, oh, Nanny Emily.
11:09Nanny Julie.
11:09I went to me, actually.
11:10We've got video of it.
11:11Yeah, exactly.
11:12Yeah, this is...
11:12But apparently I've got nothing to do with me.
11:15This is all from Nanny.
11:15Because you're Nanny.
11:15It's got nothing to do with me.
11:17Yeah, I am.
11:18More after this break.
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11:26How dare you, yeah?
11:27Come on the show, yeah?
11:29Why was everybody happy until your relationship ended and you ended up with him?
11:33Because it was fine until six weeks ago.
11:35What's that?
11:38Who do you think you are?
11:39I'm her nan.
11:40And she's her nan.
11:42Yeah, some kind of nan you are, isn't it?
11:44Yes, I am.
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12:23Today I've cracked open the JK vault to look at some of our most shocking access stories
12:27over the years before brand new JK starts next Monday morning at 9.25.
12:31And let's go back to our earlier story.
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12:39And say to me, I'm a, I'm a control freak.
12:50How dare you?
12:51You are a control freak.
12:52How dare you?
12:59How dare you?
13:01How dare you?
13:02How dare you?
13:03How dare you?
13:04How kind of mother are you, yeah?
13:06Taking your kids, yeah?
13:07From the birth house, yeah?
13:09To be over the birth house.
13:11Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy, oi, oi, oi, what's interesting?
13:18Why's your son telling me wrong now?
13:19Because your son, he's just...
13:20Can I, can I say something that's very interesting as an outsider?
13:23I don't know the truth.
13:24Excuse me.
13:24Do you know what's really interesting is the calmness and the histrionics?
13:28Welcome to the show.
13:29I want to get your side.
13:29I want everybody to interrupt.
13:31You and Ollie were together.
13:33You've taken exception to the fact that you were called a control freak.
13:37Absolutely, you're right.
13:38How long were you with him for?
13:39Three years and three months.
13:41When you were with Ollie and the baby was born, things were okay, weren't they?
13:45Yeah, to start off with.
13:47At what point did you decide that he was a danger to the child?
13:50At what point did you decide one of the coolest people who's ever sat on this stage is apparently
13:54just because she asked the welfare state for help 20 years ago
13:57when the world's young lady was a different world,
13:59suddenly when did you decide that she was a danger?
14:01Tell me when.
14:02When Ollie dumped you?
14:03No, I ended it with him.
14:05When did you decide the grandmother was a danger?
14:07When Ollie told me about his childhood.
14:11This is from Ollie.
14:12Me and Amy were together for three years.
14:14I left the relationship six weeks ago because she was controlling.
14:18No.
14:18Now, in my opinion, she's playing God with my daughter.
14:20She can't get over the fact I've left her
14:22and now tries to dictate when I can see my own kid.
14:25No.
14:25I love my mum.
14:26She's been nothing but supportive
14:27and now Amy is pushing her out of her granddaughter's life
14:30all because I won't get back with her.
14:31No.
14:32Lisa and me never really got on.
14:33She is stuck up.
14:34Yes.
14:35I won't allow another man.
14:36I won't allow another man to raise my daughter.
14:39She needs to stop with her games
14:40and we both need to put our daughter first.
14:42Yes.
14:44I'm doing that.
14:45You were both very young.
14:49When things, and your mum alluded to this,
14:52you were very young, and you have to accept this,
14:54you patently had a very difficult time
14:57and made some poor choices
14:59and I suspect didn't do some things as should have been done,
15:03but I keep going back to...
15:06No, and I'm speaking on a regular basis.
15:07But she's not pretending.
15:08I'm simply saying this.
15:10For me, there's a really easy answer here
15:13and it's to get away from the mud-slinging
15:16did you sleep with this, did this happen,
15:18I dumped him, she...
15:19It doesn't matter.
15:20What matters is a kid, right?
15:22And actually everybody on this stage,
15:24the passion in whatever they say
15:25shows that everybody wants what's best for that child.
15:28Now, he probably wasn't the perfect boyfriend.
15:31No.
15:31You probably weren't the perfect girlfriend.
15:34She probably hasn't been the perfect mother.
15:36Hold on.
15:36She's probably not been the perfect grandmother.
15:38She and I and even that camera...
15:40We've all...
15:41But the kids...
15:42And what's amazing with what's on this stage
15:45is you've got two grandmothers
15:48who, if we stop fighting,
15:50could help you and Ollie,
15:51although you're not together,
15:53do this properly
15:54so that the one person
15:55who doesn't end up on a show like this in 20 years
15:57is your beautiful daughter, Destiny.
15:59That's the whole damn point of doing what we do.
16:01That's it.
16:01Do you get that?
16:02Do you get that?
16:04Do you get that?
16:05Do you understand?
16:06I don't expect my destiny.
16:07Absolutely.
16:08I want what's supposed to be for Destiny.
16:09When your son's coming out with this satin
16:11and you have a battle
16:11or his upbringing in this satin
16:12and you're sitting there sweet
16:13and you're going...
16:14So then, Lisa, come to me.
16:15Because I'm so vocal
16:16because I stick up
16:17and I won't have my opinion.
16:18If you're so vocal,
16:19come to me.
16:20Julie, Oliver said this.
16:22What's going on?
16:23Would you accept...
16:23Julie, would you accept
16:25that he probably has said
16:26those things to these people?
16:26Because...
16:27Julie, I've offered you to come in my house
16:29for coffee, hang on a time.
16:30Yes, I've come in.
16:31No, hold on a second.
16:32Wait a minute, Lisa.
16:32Would you mean, hang on a minute?
16:33I've been offered in
16:35when I've been bringing Oliver
16:36and Amy to you.
16:38Julie, Julie, Julie.
16:38I've got all the kids to deal with.
16:42Julie, Julie, Julie.
16:43I mean, you've not said to me
16:45that Oliver said that.
16:45Julie, you've got to like it.
16:47And I've got to like it.
16:48And today, I am going to offer you in.
16:49Will you two stop it
16:50because we were making ground there?
16:52Listen to me.
16:52It doesn't matter how many times
16:53you've been invited in.
16:54The fact of the matter is
16:55you both want the same thing,
16:57which is what's right by destiny.
16:58Hear me out.
16:59Rather than it being this war about
17:01I'm representing Ollie,
17:02I'm representing Amy.
17:04They're both not perfect.
17:05They're both good kids.
17:06They're both not great.
17:07The best parents of the world,
17:08but they're doing their best.
17:09They'll both make mistakes.
17:11She's great.
17:12She's great.
17:12I don't mean it badly.
17:13What?
17:14Stop taking up a position.
17:16Who would let her?
17:16Oh, my God.
17:17You're causing this, you two,
17:20if you don't shut up.
17:21No, I'm not.
17:21You're just not letting me speak.
17:23You've spoken lots.
17:24I haven't really.
17:26Do you want what's best for destiny?
17:27Yes.
17:28Do you want what's best for destiny?
17:29Then what you have to do, surely,
17:31is to stop points scoring
17:32because that then goes on to your kids
17:33who start points scoring.
17:35She sat here and I like this lady a lot
17:38because what she said is
17:39I'm not blood,
17:39but I care about this kid.
17:41Ollie's not perfect.
17:42I've done my best.
17:43Everybody says you're a good mum.
17:44I'm not interested in having an argument about
17:46Ollie dumped me.
17:47I dumped Ollie.
17:48What does destiny need?
17:50Destiny needs two parents
17:51who might not be together
17:52but actually love her.
17:53The wider families need to be
17:55not only involved
17:56but actually a support network for you
17:58because you are young.
17:59When destiny's been in his father's,
18:01when Ollie's had destiny
18:03where Amy's been in the same place
18:04but she's in a different room.
18:06She's not in a different room.
18:07She sits in the same room.
18:08And she's on the bed
18:09and this is what Amy's said to me
18:10and she's on the bed
18:11and I've even been there
18:12and she's fell
18:13or I've been on the phone
18:14to Amy
18:15and I've heard her destiny scream.
18:17She's fell off the bed.
18:19Amy's in another room.
18:20I'm like,
18:20what happened to Babby?
18:21She's gone rushing into the bed.
18:22She's on the phone.
18:23She's also done that with Amy.
18:24And Ollie's also done that with Amy.
18:25No.
18:25Yeah, she's done it twice.
18:26Yeah, she's done it twice.
18:27She's fell off the bed
18:28in Ollie's care.
18:29And Jeremy.
18:30Three times.
18:31And Ollie's said to me,
18:32Ollie, it's all right.
18:33She'll get used to it.
18:35She'll get a toughener off.
18:36Who's said that?
18:37Oliver.
18:38Whatever.
18:38Please have a loyalty test, please.
18:41Can I have this loyalty test?
18:42So, right, yeah.
18:43You're telling me then, right,
18:44that she's never ever was.
18:45It's telling her that I need to do it.
18:47I'm sort of on dodgy,
18:49I'm going to be really honest
18:50because I'm trying to do this show.
18:51I'm on really dodgy ground.
18:53That's not great.
18:54There isn't a parent,
18:55if you want to cut this out,
18:56cut this out, right?
18:57I've had four kids.
18:58I'm entitled to a group.
18:59There is not a child on God's earth
19:02whose child hasn't bumped its head or something.
19:05But on a regular basis,
19:06at a young age,
19:07it's not on a regular basis.
19:08It was once.
19:09You can't win, can you?
19:10Look, the point is...
19:11It was once.
19:11Is that what I told you?
19:12And it was also on Amy's watch.
19:14And Amy, actually, hang on.
19:15It's funny that you're...
19:16Hang on a minute.
19:17Excuse me.
19:18You have a breeze all right to go cricket?
19:19No, hang on a minute.
19:20Hang on a minute.
19:21He can't be on it.
19:22He's not his decision.
19:23He's not his decision.
19:25He can't be on it.
19:26Yeah, yeah, yeah, look.
19:27He's around your...
19:28Well, that one is well, isn't it?
19:31Oh, I is.
19:32You can't talk about that.
19:32Yes, I can.
19:33Yes, I can.
19:35I can talk about anything that I want.
19:37You can't talk about anything that I want.
19:38It can't be bought off.
19:39You can't what?
19:40I can talk about anything that I want.
19:42Yeah, but try the truth.
19:43Yeah, that is the truth.
19:45What do you think?
19:46What do you think?
19:51Deep, deep into these two.
19:53Deep, deep.
19:54I'm telling you.
19:56Do it, man.
19:57Do it.
20:00The lot of you.
20:01Go away.
20:01There is nothing that I haven't been saying.
20:03So you don't want them in your granddaughter's life?
20:05Not like this.
20:06You're playing the three colours now, aren't you?
20:07It's not your damn child life.
20:10My granddaughter.
20:11My granddaughter.
20:12My granddaughter.
20:13My grand...
20:14My granddaughter.
20:16And her granddaughter too.
20:18You're not God, all right?
20:19No, I'm not.
20:20I'm not saying I'm God.
20:22Go away, go away, go away.
20:26Who do you think you are?
20:27I'm her nan.
20:28And she's her nan.
20:30What matters most in your life?
20:31My daughter.
20:32Then act as if it does.
20:36How can you say that?
20:38Because darling, be the bigger person.
20:40Don't you dare say that to me.
20:42Oh God, here we go.
20:43What, why not?
20:45Act as if your daughter's more important than Poishkoi.
20:47She is.
20:47Then stop acting like a kid.
20:49She is my world and I'll do anything.
20:51Well then do the right thing and sit down and do what's right by her.
20:55Oh God, I'm serious.
20:57I'm serious.
20:57I'm serious.
20:58I'm serious.
20:59But you've got to meet.
21:01It's...
21:02You know, it's not...
21:03Life isn't black and white.
21:04They're sort of grey.
21:06Is all I'm saying.
21:07I'm not doubting that you love her.
21:09That you're a great mum.
21:10That you don't have concerns.
21:12I'm simply saying for the 83rd time.
21:17Babe, you love your daughter, right?
21:20But he has to have involvement.
21:23And if there are concerns, it shouldn't be based upon, I want it up.
21:28He wants me back.
21:29It should be based on destiny.
21:30Look at me.
21:32Look at me.
21:35Ask Julie.
21:36Ask Dolly's mum if she thinks you're a good mum.
21:39Is she a good mum?
21:40Yes, she is.
21:41How can you say I'm a good mum when you say I'm controlling?
21:44How am I controlling?
21:46What did she say?
21:47Why is my neck in?
21:49Do you know this is never going to be resolved?
21:52Because you're enjoying this, aren't you?
21:54I'm not enjoying that at all.
21:55Then stop jumping in.
21:57She is a good mum.
21:58Nobody said she isn't.
22:00I'm saying with Oliver, she was controlling.
22:03I'm not saying you.
22:04If you don't all, I'm telling you now,
22:06if you do not all leave your personal vendettas behind...
22:10I don't have any vendettas.
22:11Then stop going on about she was controlling.
22:14Stop saying he asked me back.
22:16Stop saying you've got a past.
22:18The only person who's thrown no mud on this stage is this lady here.
22:21The rest of you have done it.
22:23Yes, you're doing it for whatever reason,
22:25but it's not the right reason.
22:27They're going to have to do what they have to do to see their kid
22:29because this lady here thinks she rules the roost.
22:31I don't think so, is it?
22:33Yes, you do.
22:36You think you know everything, don't you?
22:37No, but I don't.
22:38I'm still learning.
22:39If you cared about that child,
22:41you, with your daughter,
22:42should sit down with this lady
22:44and work out, with our help,
22:46a plan for this man to be involved.
22:48But you, you don't think that's right
22:51because you've heard things about her
22:53well, we've heard things about you, love.
22:55But that's not about destiny.
22:57Destiny's the focus.
22:58Yeah.
22:59Destiny's your focus, though, isn't she?
23:00She's yours, isn't she?
23:02She's Amy's.
23:03Oh, good.
23:03And she's gone back on.
23:04She's also Ollie's as well.
23:05Yeah.
23:06You should sit with Julie,
23:14stand up to your mother
23:15and do what's right by your kid.
23:17Yeah.
23:20You're kidding me.
23:21So, you say?
23:22Am I kidding you?
23:23That'd scare the bits off you, wouldn't it?
23:25No.
23:26Amy's got her own mind.
23:27So, what's happening, Amy?
23:30I don't even want to be here.
23:32So, you don't want to sit with Julie
23:33and work out what's best.
23:35I did.
23:35I wanted that from the start.
23:37Well, then do it.
23:37You and Julie
23:38without your interfering controlling mother.
23:42Yes or no?
23:47Sitting there, not me,
23:49with Graham,
23:49see if you can work it out.
23:51You and Ollie had that, kid.
23:52See if you can make it work.
23:53Yes or no?
23:54Because you're better than that, Amy.
23:55How can you say that
23:56when you say I'm patrolling?
23:58How can you say that?
23:59Oh, they didn't say...
24:00Right, look.
24:01You're better than that.
24:02Do you want what's best for destiny?
24:03Yeah, we do.
24:04Sit with Julie and Graham.
24:06Work it out.
24:09Yes or no?
24:11Go on, darling.
24:13We can sort it out.
24:14You're a great mother.
24:15You can sort it out with her.
24:16And you have every right as the mother
24:17to say,
24:17Julie, I don't want you to do this.
24:18I don't want you to do that.
24:19This is how I want it
24:20because she's your child.
24:21This has become a warfare
24:23between grandparents and other families.
24:24Look at me.
24:26Ten minutes.
24:26Yes or no?
24:29I don't think it's going to solve anything.
24:31Give me ten minutes
24:31to prove that it might work.
24:32Yes or no?
24:33It won't.
24:34They'll just go to court, love,
24:35and your child will suffer.
24:36No, it's fine.
24:36Let her go to court.
24:37That's what you want, yeah?
24:38Yeah.
24:39There'll be court orders then.
24:40Then it'll be...
24:42To drag her through all that.
24:43It's horrible, Amy.
24:44It's horrible.
24:45Drag her through all that?
24:46You dragged me and my daughter
24:47all the way here.
24:48I will do everything I can
24:50and every part of what I've got here
24:52to make sure that you are given
24:53the support to see this kid.
24:54You, you, it's fine.
24:56This is your right.
24:57It's your right.
24:58Listen.
25:00Absolutely, you're right.
25:02And I can only base this job
25:03on when I look into people's eyes
25:05and I absolutely know
25:06your mother will leave this stage
25:07hating me.
25:08I couldn't give a fat rat's backside
25:09because I tell you categorically,
25:11I'll tell you what I think.
25:12There was a part of you
25:13that knew what I was saying
25:15and you will become
25:17a mirror image of this lady.
25:19If you love destiny,
25:20you'll reconsider.
25:21There's more from the JK Vault
25:26after this break.
25:27We're coming right back in three.
25:28Don't go anywhere.
25:28We're back next.
25:29Every time he breaks up with her,
25:31he comes...
25:32You are easy.
25:33That's why he runs to you.
25:34Them boys are not your sons.
25:37That is my stepchild.
25:38No, they're not.
25:39I break up every day.
25:40For the last two years,
25:42I have done my...
25:42I've done more than that.
25:43Welcome back.
25:52So today we're exploring
25:53the JK Vault,
25:54looking back at some
25:55of our most memorable
25:55access stories before
25:56brand new, explosive,
25:58unmissable JK.
26:00I promise you that.
26:00Starts next Monday, right?
26:02Up next today,
26:03exes at war.
26:04Take a look at this.
26:08Wayne's your ex.
26:09You've got two kids together.
26:11When I read that you haven't
26:13seen your children in three months,
26:14most people, I believe,
26:16watching this at home will go,
26:17why?
26:18That's wrong.
26:19Tell us from the beginning
26:20the story.
26:21How you got together,
26:21how it went wrong.
26:22We got together through Facebook.
26:25I like Facebook.
26:27I fell pregnant after 11 months
26:29with my first child.
26:31Who were you?
26:32I was 16.
26:34So quite young.
26:34Yeah.
26:35And it was all good
26:36and then we had our ups and downs
26:39and then I got pregnant
26:40with my second.
26:42Plan?
26:43Kind of, yeah.
26:44What changed when the kids
26:46came along?
26:46Because it adds pressure.
26:47He got a job.
26:50That's good, isn't it?
26:51Well, yeah.
26:52He got a job.
26:54That's good.
26:56And then he got put
26:59into a different shop
27:00and seen someone else he liked
27:03and cheated on me.
27:05He cheated on you?
27:06And that is good.
27:08Yeah.
27:09This was somebody that he met
27:11whilst he was working.
27:13So he's out providing
27:14for his family.
27:15You're at home
27:16and that's hard in itself
27:17with two young kids.
27:19How quickly did you find out
27:20about the affair?
27:22He got home one night
27:23and he had a phone call
27:25and he said it was his dad
27:26and I knew it was a girl
27:28and basically put the phone
27:30down on this girl
27:30and we had an argument
27:31and then we split up
27:33but we were still
27:34living together.
27:35How did it make you feel
27:36knowing that he'd done that?
27:37I didn't know at that time
27:38that he actually cheated on that
27:40until three months
27:41down the line.
27:42How did you feel?
27:43Young mother struggling
27:44two kids.
27:45It was hard.
27:46Heartbreaking.
27:47I give up after that point.
27:49Well, this is why
27:50I wanted to do it like this.
27:52Yeah.
27:52Because this guy, Wayne,
27:54is in a new relationship
27:55with, is it Jemima?
27:57Yes.
28:00And they're playing
28:02happy families.
28:03What I think is concerning
28:05is the wrong word probably
28:07is you haven't seen your kids
28:08for three months.
28:09You say this guy's taken them
28:11and I'm not allowed access.
28:14I don't even know where he is.
28:14I want to go back.
28:15I want to go back, okay?
28:17How is it that he's got the kids?
28:19How did that happen
28:20in the first place?
28:21You went through
28:22quite a few men.
28:23I mean, you did, didn't you?
28:24You picked the wrong men
28:25and you went through
28:25quite a few relationships.
28:26You didn't really value
28:28yourself, did you?
28:28My ex was violent.
28:30Social services
28:31obviously got involved
28:32and it just kind of
28:37went from there.
28:38Did you pick him
28:39over your kids?
28:39Today's about truthfulness.
28:41But they allowed Wayne.
28:42I broke up with him.
28:42You gave the kids to Wayne.
28:44No, I didn't.
28:45No, I didn't give him to Wayne.
28:47So now me and the viewers
28:49be quiet.
28:49I've got a proof downstairs
28:51you chose him over your kids.
28:52I will get to you, Wayne.
28:54Let me tell you something, pal.
28:56I'll get to you.
28:57I have respect for you
28:58but I want to hear her story,
28:59okay?
29:00Fact.
29:00Be quiet.
29:01Let me ask you this, right?
29:03Please support you, mate.
29:06At what point does a mother
29:07who's struggling,
29:08heartbroken,
29:09how do the kids
29:11end up with him?
29:12I was at my mum's one day.
29:15He asked,
29:15he's not seen them
29:16for the month.
29:17He asked,
29:17could he have them
29:18one night?
29:19I said, yeah.
29:20The only place he could have them
29:21was at my house
29:22because he had nowhere to live.
29:23He had no money.
29:24I then agreed for him
29:25to have the kids
29:26at my house.
29:28I give him money
29:29to get,
29:29take the kids out
29:30for food
29:31and then
29:32his name was still
29:33on the tenancy agreement
29:34and basically he said,
29:35you're not having the kids
29:36at the house back.
29:37He threw you out of the house?
29:38Yeah.
29:39So where'd you go from there?
29:41I went to my mum's.
29:41See, this is a different story
29:43from the mother
29:43who hasn't seen her kids
29:44and whatever.
29:45Now, Jemima,
29:46because your whole face
29:47changes, right,
29:48like that, right?
29:49And I'm going to change this
29:50around in a minute,
29:50I think.
29:51You say,
29:52I don't doubt
29:53that he's a good father
29:54but since he's been with her,
29:55look at me,
29:56she's the problem.
29:57Can't get a hold of him,
29:58she controls him,
29:59she's the voice piece,
30:01yes?
30:02Are you still in love with him?
30:03Definitely not.
30:04You told my team
30:05that she has poisoned
30:06the children against you?
30:07Yeah.
30:08She has?
30:09Probably both of them
30:10but most likely,
30:12he's changed,
30:13he's a totally different person
30:14since he's met her.
30:16You told my team
30:17that Wayne doesn't like
30:18the fact that
30:18she doesn't like the fact
30:22that Wayne's still in love with you?
30:23He probably still is.
30:25He's tried to get me back
30:26so many times.
30:26Has he?
30:27Whilst he's been with her?
30:29Yeah.
30:30Every time they break up.
30:32What's,
30:32they break up a lot?
30:34Yeah.
30:34Well, how's that good
30:35for kids to be
30:35in that environment then?
30:37Explain that to them.
30:38Well, you can.
30:38What are you here for today?
30:40To get,
30:40see my kids.
30:41And what will you do
30:42to achieve that?
30:43You admit that you've
30:44made mistakes
30:45but you are,
30:46you're in a new relationship
30:47and to be fair,
30:48and I think we need to make this point,
30:49you've been in a relationship
30:49for two years
30:50so you've stopped all that
30:51self-destruct button
30:52you were pushing.
30:53You want this right
30:54but you think she's the problem,
30:55yeah?
30:55Yeah.
30:55Let's get Jemima
30:56on the Jeremy Kyle show.
30:57Swap it round that way.
30:58I've never played with them kids.
31:04How have I ever played with them kids?
31:06Them kids hate you.
31:08You left them kids
31:09so many times
31:09just to go and get a
31:10Naomi.
31:11Each and every time.
31:13Jeremy,
31:14all she does is to go
31:15and what?
31:15Just to go and get
31:16another man.
31:17As soon as a man comes around
31:18Naomi leaves her kids
31:19and runs half a mile
31:20and I promise you that now
31:21each and every time
31:22you do.
31:23I've been with Nathan
31:23two years.
31:24When I first got with Wayne,
31:31wasn't you with
31:31the little smack head one
31:33that was reusing his mouth
31:34down the phone to me?
31:35Yeah.
31:35Yeah.
31:36So I've been with him
31:37two years.
31:37I've been with Wayne
31:38two years in May.
31:39Yeah.
31:40And I've been with Nathan
31:41nearly.
31:42Delusional love.
31:43Delusional.
31:43July of the night
31:47have I got with Nathan?
31:49No, because you didn't
31:49tell anyone.
31:50You talk about Wayne
31:51not telling you
31:51about our relationship.
31:53Why should he tell you?
31:55You don't give a f***
31:56or you've been on this stage
31:57already.
31:58You've rung up the fact
31:58that Wayne
31:59apparently cheated on you.
32:00Yeah.
32:00What about the fact
32:01that she just said
32:01that Wayne stood in love
32:02with her
32:03and has tried to get back
32:04with her
32:05whilst he's being with you
32:06because you and he...
32:06No, hold on a minute.
32:07I'm speaking.
32:08You're pretending
32:09or saying that you provide
32:10this great balanced environment.
32:12How is it good for the kids
32:13if you and Wayne
32:14keep breaking up
32:15the whole time?
32:15How's that?
32:16No, do you want to know
32:19the real reason
32:19why you broke up?
32:20Why?
32:21Because of her.
32:21Every time she found out
32:23I was pregnant
32:23she would cause an argument
32:24making me miscarry my babies.
32:25Have you had kids
32:26with Wayne as well?
32:27No, we've had four miscarriages
32:28because she caused
32:29that many arguments
32:29I end up getting that stress
32:30I lost my babies
32:31because of her Jeremy.
32:33It wasn't because of...
32:34I didn't even know
32:35you was pregnant.
32:36Yes, you lied.
32:36Yes, you did.
32:37I've still got the messages.
32:38Don't check.
32:39Why is she not seeing her kids
32:40and what has it got to do with you
32:42because you're not their mother?
32:43No, but I've been there
32:44I've been there
32:45more than she has
32:46and social services
32:47I've been there
32:48more than her children
32:49If a person was saying
32:50to me as a parent
32:51you're no good
32:52you haven't been there
32:53I wouldn't be sat there
32:54I'd be saying
32:55I'd be giving it
32:55She isn't no good, Jeremy
32:57she doesn't look after her kids
32:58I don't know
32:59when she has her children
33:00on the weekends
33:01them children
33:02Nathan, you shut up, big man
33:04the only time
33:05you can use your hands
33:06to work
33:07Who's that?
33:08That's her boyfriend
33:08Nathan, be quiet
33:10until I ask you out
33:11I want to hear it
33:11from these two women
33:12there should be passion
33:14if you haven't seen your kids
33:15She's got no passion, Jeremy
33:16She don't do shit for her children
33:18How do I don't do shit?
33:19You don't let me
33:20Well, it's not even
33:21anything to do with you
33:22You don't let me and Wayne
33:23I wouldn't let her have any say in it
33:24if I was you
33:25I'm their mother
33:26I don't let me and Wayne
33:27start anything else
33:28She's gone forever
33:29let me and Wayne communicate
33:31She's Wayne's mouth
33:33I would usually say
33:35why are you out?
33:35I got you out
33:36I brought you out
33:37because she says
33:38that he's a good father
33:40and it was all good
33:41until you got into his ear
33:42Everything's played on me, Jeremy
33:44but when I first met Wayne
33:46Wayne was living off 30 pound a week
33:47But she doesn't even know where you and Wayne live
33:50she doesn't know where her kids live
33:51No, do you know why that is?
33:52You've got to tell her
33:53she's their lover
33:54I can't tell you
33:55it's because
33:55it's because I don't want to
33:58but basically
33:59she made it worse
34:00she put her children in danger
34:02she put my two year old son
34:04I've showed them
34:05the screenshots of you
34:06putting your children in danger
34:08and my child
34:09What, because of what Wayne did?
34:10My son you put in danger
34:12not yours, mine
34:13and I didn't give no one your address
34:14So what's the truth here then, Naomi?
34:16Is it that you were young
34:18and dumb
34:19She can't use that
34:20and got told on a minute
34:20he cheated on her
34:22He never thought, Jeremy, that's
34:23you're going to believe what he says
34:25She doesn't even know
34:26if his youngest son is actually his child
34:28because she went with that many blokes
34:30Oh my God
34:31I don't know if
34:34I don't know if
34:34you can always do a DNA
34:37I don't know whether
34:40Wayne's the dad
34:40because I slept with too many blokes
34:42this mother
34:42Who told you that?
34:43So is this just an argument
34:45between you two
34:46or are you here to get your kids?
34:48And what woman
34:49whether she's made mistakes or not
34:51thinks that kids
34:51your first line
34:53when you came out here
34:54was
34:54your kids hate you
34:55even if she's the worst
34:57well let me give you
34:58some experience, right
35:00even if the mother here
35:01is not apparently any good
35:03the worst thing you can do
35:05shut up and listen
35:06is tell those kids
35:08their mother's rubbish
35:09or their father's rubbish
35:10You have to allow them organically
35:13to find it out for themselves
35:14That's the truth
35:15The average one knows what she's like
35:18Do you not think she should be allowed
35:20to see those kids?
35:20Jamie, she's had chance after chance
35:22and all she does
35:22Do you not think so?
35:23If it wasn't for me
35:24she wouldn't have seen them
35:25So answer that, come on
35:26She just lied to you
35:27She just lied to you
35:27She just lied to you
35:27You're doing it again
35:28You just sat there
35:29You lied because when I first got away
35:30There's more passion from her
35:31When you got away
35:32When you first got away
35:33Yes
35:33When I got first for away
35:34and you didn't see them children
35:35for 12 weeks
35:36Did you or did you not?
35:37Six weeks
35:37Because you was too busy out
35:39Getting drunk off your children's benefit
35:40Drunk?
35:41I don't even drink
35:41You liar
35:42Liar, liar, liar
35:44I don't drink
35:46Jeremy, I argued with my man
35:48after getting with him for two weeks
35:49I argued with him
35:50and nearly broke up our relationship
35:51so she could see her children
35:52Yeah, my folks got together
35:53Have you done enough?
35:55No
35:55Yeah, I just
35:56I think I have
35:57No
35:57And this is the only thing
35:59Who rang this show?
36:00Me
36:00Why?
36:01Because I want to see my kids
36:03We're far from finished
36:07There's more to this story
36:07and it's coming next
36:08after this break
36:09on the JK show
36:10Every time he breaks up with her
36:12he comes
36:13You are easy
36:14That's why he runs to you
36:15Easy
36:16Oh no, you didn't send that
36:19That's not me sending that
36:20Yeah, it is
36:21You little liar
36:22Oh my God
36:24Welcome back to today's JK special vault show
36:35We've been recapping on some of our most shocking
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36:38with the big news, of course
36:39the brand new JK starts
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36:43Now let's go back to exes
36:44Naomi and Wayne
36:46The big question
36:47throughout this story
36:48Could they reach an agreement?
36:50Let's find out
36:51You said unlike what?
36:55He's still in love with me
36:56He probably is
36:57I don't know
36:58Well, you know, probably
36:58or he is
36:59Has he ever
37:00Well, every time he tries
37:01Every time he breaks up with her
37:03He comes
37:04You are easy
37:05That's why he runs to you
37:06Easy
37:07I don't know
37:07Hold on, hold on
37:09You're doing it again
37:10That doesn't really put you in the best
37:12So you've just admitted
37:14whether you've called her easy
37:15I don't know
37:16So your boyfriend is the male equivalent
37:18Because when he splits up with you
37:20He runs to the ex
37:21You just said he did it
37:22He hasn't done it
37:24He hasn't done it
37:25So that way
37:26You're pathetic
37:33I've got the message on my phone
37:35When you broke up with her
37:36Is it alright for him to speak on her?
37:39If I split a word on her
37:40It does not make no difference
37:42You split a word on her in the October
37:43And you started messaging me
37:45Let's hear it from your point of view
37:46So she says you're young
37:48You get together
37:48You have two kids
37:49And then you go to work
37:50You meet a woman
37:51And you cheat on her
37:51No, I've never cheated on her once
37:52You did
37:53What, like you cheated on me?
37:54I've never cheated on you
37:55So what, I don't have to get involved in that
37:56What are we here for, really?
37:58The kids
37:58We're here for the kids
37:58So why are you bringing up the past and relationships?
38:00Why, because you don't want to talk about it?
38:01What's dad got to do with anything?
38:02Something to hide?
38:03Because
38:03Why shouldn't I win you
38:05While we spill all my ex in my face?
38:06Why are we moving away from what's important?
38:09Can I ask you just, just basically
38:10I moved the kids away
38:11And took them away from me
38:12Because yet again
38:13She put the kids in danger
38:14Did you put your kids in danger?
38:15No, because I never give their stress out
38:17I wouldn't do that
38:17My two-year-old son
38:19She put in danger as well
38:19But your kids want to see them, Mum
38:21Don't they?
38:22I know
38:22Your kids want to see them, Mum, don't they?
38:25No
38:26Really, what's that then?
38:28Kids don't want to see Jack
38:30Oh my God
38:30That was a message from nearly two months ago
38:32Jeremy, she's using with you
38:33Two months ago
38:34Well, not three months ago
38:36Why hasn't she seen them
38:37If it's two months ago
38:38Because she kept kidnapping her out of school
38:39I can't even read that
38:41How can I kidnap him from school?
38:42Hold on a sec
38:42Who?
38:43How many times did she kidnap him out of school?
38:44Oh, yeah
38:45So this is from you, Wayne, yeah
38:47I'm just glad that he misses me
38:50And wants me around more than what I am
38:51That's you
38:52Can't do it
38:53Because if you're into happy with that
38:55And I don't want to ruin that
38:55He knows I'm happy with you
38:56What, by allowing her to see the kids
38:57She'll see her
38:58And you might ruin her relationship?
38:58No, that was
38:59He doesn't want to ruin anything
39:00Between me and Nathan
39:01By him saying anything to me
39:03He does always talk about you
39:04But more when she ain't around
39:05And it does break with me
39:07What he does say
39:07Shut up a minute
39:09That's your son
39:09I presume
39:10Saying that he wants to see his mother
39:11Apparently
39:12What do you mean, apparently
39:13You didn't send that
39:14That's not me sending that
39:15Yes, it is
39:16You little liar
39:18Oh my God
39:19Hold on a minute
39:20Hold on a minute, I know your girlfriend's going to stick up for you
39:22Well, grow a pair for a minute
39:23No, I'll tell the truth
39:24Shut up
39:24I'll tell you
39:25You little liar
39:25Who said that?
39:26Who said that?
39:26Just somebody out there, did they?
39:28I didn't have a phone to get fucked on
39:29Yeah, you did
39:30In the november when you brought up with her
39:32Yeah, you did
39:32Your phone was in me pocket downstairs
39:34That's in the
39:34You've got to do
39:35Yes, you did
39:36Wayne, Wayne
39:37What's clear from that is
39:38A and one you're having troubles with Jemima
39:40B and two
39:40Your son
39:41Allegedly
39:42Can I speak?
39:43I was having troubles with her
39:43Because of her
39:44Wants to see her
39:45And seeing three
39:46You don't want to go round
39:47Because you might affect her
39:49Happy race
39:49All of that
39:50And you didn't send that
39:51This was six months ago
39:52And you believe you didn't send the case
39:53Oh no, I believe you did send every single text
39:55And I did have her out with him
39:56When she decided to cause trouble on Facebook
39:57That's not her causing trouble
39:59That's your boyfriend
40:00This is her causing trouble
40:01Because she asked to see the kids
40:02Wayne said no
40:03And then she thought
40:03Did Wayne came to everything that happened?
40:04Maybe your boyfriend's going
40:05What if?
40:05Because you're such a godby person
40:07I don't know
40:07I can't help myself
40:08It's the way I thought
40:09You didn't send that
40:10You didn't send that
40:12No
40:12You're lying, mate
40:13She's saying you did
40:14Even I know you did
40:15So don't lie to me about that
40:16Brilliant, thank you very much
40:17Well, well, well, I messaged her about that
40:19And as soon as I did
40:21When you come home from work
40:22That's not my wife
40:23I'm sorry, I'm on raising the sound
40:25I've been shut
40:26Oh, no, you're having to go
40:27Hold a second
40:28That says
40:29Right
40:29My son wants to see you
40:31I don't want to ruin the relationship you're in
40:33And it does break me
40:34When you're not here
40:35And the kids are
40:36And it says
40:37The boy talks about you more
40:39When she ain't around
40:40And actually, I'm going to change my tap
40:41Which to be fair
40:41I'm going to turn my hat as well
40:43Listen to me
40:44You want to take your hat off to save for a minute
40:46You are going right down in my inspiration
40:48At the beginning
40:48Come on
40:49At the beginning, Aggie
40:50No, you owe me
40:51All you've done is slag me off
40:52I'm a bad blow
40:53Can I ask you a question?
40:54Do you think he's playing you off, mate?
40:55Because you
40:55In the last five minutes
40:57Have gone right down
40:58This isn't this lady at all
40:59You're hiding behind her
41:00You did send that
41:01And if you had a pair big enough
41:02Because your girlfriend knows it
41:04She's got a pair bigger than you
41:04You would
41:05Thank you
41:05You did send that, didn't you?
41:07Well, yeah, well done
41:11Yeah, fair and all
41:12Yeah
41:12You did send that
41:13But I didn't flirt with her
41:14Sure you've not got a woman
41:15Who does all the hard work
41:16You're supposed to do as a father
41:18And you're still interested in the ex
41:19Well, I'll tell you what
41:19You know the ex
41:20Apparently the one who makes bad choices
41:21And has
41:22Has been with somebody for two years
41:24Well, bring him out
41:25Because you're trying on with his birth
41:27Nathan's on the Jeremy Kyle show
41:29That one
41:29You shut up
41:36Because she's talking for you
41:37As per usual
41:38What do you mean?
41:39As per usual
41:39What do you mean?
41:40I'm speaking now
41:42The only time you've got back
41:43Is when it comes to me
41:44Well, I'll speak to him as well
41:45No, you don't
41:45Don't be like that
41:46Go on, tell me
41:47Speak to me like that
41:48Speak to me then
41:48All day
41:49Since yesterday
41:49We got the call off
41:50Well, since Tuesday
41:51Since we got the call off
41:53You didn't want to even come on the show
41:55No, I didn't
41:56Because I don't want to be on national television
41:58I don't need to speak to her
42:02Oh, well, just text her then
42:04What do you think about the text he sent?
42:07She told me about it
42:08I didn't read it
42:09He says, I don't want to come around
42:10Because I might regret what I'm going to do
42:11I trust her at the end of the day
42:13I don't
42:14I completely guess she ain't going back with him
42:16But you don't seem to get that
42:18You seem to be blaming everybody else
42:19I actually now buy you, missus
42:21Who sat there actually caring about the kids
42:22And I believe, if you're honest
42:24She's got a lot for her
42:26When she says you haven't done enough
42:27And you might get a lot easier
42:29If you looked at this woman and said
42:30I did go through a bad patch
42:32I didn't do enough
42:33And thank you
42:34I would be thanking this woman
42:36For being the influence she has been
42:37In the kids' life
42:38I really want
42:39Why go to them
42:40To control
42:41Where she's even the kids' role?
42:43It isn't
42:44I can say I had a kid
42:45I thought that she's in danger
42:46No, she didn't
42:47When?
42:47Yes, she did
42:48Go on
42:49Just like her
42:50I had a kid at the age of 16
42:51I was in a very, very abusive relationship
42:53And I still never left my kids for nobody
42:55I fight it every day
42:57And I rest up
42:58But where's your other son?
43:00That's not her fault
43:01Don't bring him into this now
43:02You're changing tack now
43:03It's your fault
43:06Why your kids have been taken away from you
43:08Are you sure you're not enjoying this now, mate
43:10With texts like that?
43:11This is all I've had
43:12I'm a total pathetic
43:13Mate, I bought
43:14I bought
43:14I bought
43:15To take them kids out of school
43:16Because of you, man
43:17I absolutely get
43:18Don't blame me!
43:18Don't blame me!
43:19I'll be both of you
43:20I've never f***ed them kids like you
43:23What?
43:23I've never f***ed them f***ing
43:25Every in my life
43:27Never in my life
43:28On my kid's life
43:30I've never touched them kids
43:31He doesn't even touch his own
43:32Liar
43:32What's your sister called?
43:34Oh, yeah
43:34Sorry, it's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
43:38You need to man up and speak for yourself
43:47Instead of having to hear your mouth
43:48Mouth!
43:53Let me just hear something to my mouth
43:56I've never ever had a problem with you
43:58I've never had a problem
43:59The first time you spoke
44:00I've had to smash your face in
44:02I've had to smash my face in
44:03Them boys
44:04Them boys are not your sons
44:06They're not friends
44:07No, they're not
44:08They're not
44:09Every day!
44:10For the last two years
44:12I've done more than that!
44:13Why?
44:14Because you've both stopped every morning
44:16I wake up every morning
44:18I wake up every morning
44:20I've done everything in the right mind.
44:22My decision.
44:24Hold a minute.
44:26Hello?
44:28Can I just say something?
44:30You are a second mouth.
44:32Can I do this differently?
44:34And everybody's going to shut up and listen a minute.
44:36And I mean everybody.
44:38Completely understand your frustration.
44:40But what I was trying to do before you came out was do it this way.
44:42Just hear me out.
44:44Your sister, for whatever reason at a time, did not step up to the mark.
44:48No, she's made mistakes.
44:50So why don't we find somewhere in the middle
44:52or somebody that can help this situation
44:54whereby those kids in a safe environment
44:56can find out for themselves
44:58not from their father or their mother
45:00can find out whether this lady is committed
45:02because I don't believe
45:04I don't believe this woman should be kept from these kids
45:08if you can give me something absolutely truthfully in front of me
45:12what's she done wrong?
45:14She had a bad time and she went off the rails.
45:16Everybody on this stage has made one mistake today
45:18including me
45:20and that's to slag her off
45:22because I think without this woman
45:24you wouldn't have your kids, you wouldn't have your kids
45:26and you wouldn't have seen your nieces and nephews
45:28You need to get past this.
45:34Would you go to a contact centre and see your kids?
45:36No, I wouldn't have half as it was
45:38You can't have half from nothing, can you?
45:40No, I meant like
45:42Where I was having them two days a week
45:44Okay, yeah, okay, what's wrong with that?
45:46Weekends like it was
45:48Is she a threat to those kids? Come and look at me
45:50That was really good for us
45:52Then why can't we reinstigate that?
45:54And then I get an excuse
45:56Oh, I've got no one
45:58I've got no food
46:00But yet you've got him and his two boys living in the house
46:02You've got no food
46:04I don't give a **** about him. Have you seen the state of it?
46:06I don't give a ****
46:08I think I'll be the best looking bloke in the world
46:10But jeez, nah, no
46:12Do you want to see your kids?
46:13Of course I do
46:14Will you be flexible?
46:15Will you be committed?
46:16Two, two, three days a week, yeah
46:18It might not start with that, but will you turn up?
46:20Yeah, of course
46:21Do you understand the first time you make an excuse
46:23He has every...
46:24Say it
46:25I'll give you one more chance
46:26And if you blow this
46:27No, I'm not saying it
46:28I'll take this last time too
46:29Do it with us
46:30No
46:31You can't do that mate
46:32I can't, I've got all rights
46:33Then you'll take your kids through a big war in court
46:36This woman is in a different position to where she was
46:38But
46:39If you let those kids down
46:40You can't blame him for this attitude
46:42I know
46:43You've got to meet in the middle
46:44How many times have you let them down since I took over?
46:45Right, be honest
46:46Sad that
46:47How many times have you let them down since we split up?
46:49How many times?
46:50I let them down when I got into that bad relation
46:52So why have you stopped it since Christmas?
46:54You must have let them down over Christmas
46:56No, I had
46:57I took them out of school, which school agreed
46:59Yeah, so I could see them on Christmas day
47:01Because I knew he was going to stop there
47:03Can I say something to you both?
47:04You carry on exactly how you're doing
47:06But I have to tell you categorically
47:08Let her do it
47:09Let her have the chance
47:10I love this one
47:11Let her take
47:12Listen, listen to me
47:13Listen to me
47:14Listen to me
47:15Please, just listen to me
47:17Let her take the chance
47:19Let her do the chance
47:20Cause guaranteed she's gonna f***
47:21She always does
47:22And then it'll prove to everyone what she's like
47:24Yeah, but then it's me again
47:25Gotta sit there, let her just crying all night
47:27Like I did last time
47:28We've gone through it every other time
47:30We can do it again
47:31We can do it again
47:32We can do it again
47:37Forget me
47:38Can I give you some advice?
47:39Can I give you some advice?
47:40Sometimes in life, right
47:42You find yourself in a relationship with a woman or a man
47:45Whatever it is
47:46And you know that that's the best person you'll ever meet
47:48You want to listen to her advice because she's right
47:50Okay?
47:51Do me a favour
47:52We'll sit you with Graeme
47:53Let's see if we can find some common ground
47:55Wayne
47:56It only says good things about you if you give her one more chance
47:58It says nothing about you if you let those kids down again
48:01Take that chance
48:02Then both of you are surely doing
48:04I'm not gonna let her
48:05Yes?
48:06One day a week, contact centre
48:07Once
48:08You are swearing
48:09You mess up once
48:10I'm not doing it in a contact centre, Wayne
48:11She doesn't have to do it
48:12I don't
48:13There's no reason
48:14There's no reason
48:15We will sit and we will do this
48:16Look at me
48:17Not dropping off at the house
48:18Alright, we'll sort something
48:19Look at me
48:20We'll sort something out
48:21Agree that you'll sit and do what's right by the kids
48:24That's what I'm asking for
48:25Yes or no?
48:26Yes?
48:30I am for this morning out of time
48:31But seriously, thank you for joining us
48:33And remember to join us for Brand New JK
48:35Monday morning at 9.25
48:37Set your alarm
48:38Tell your friends
48:39I'll give you lie detectors, DNA tests
48:40We'll do the whole nine yards
48:41Lots of shocking results
48:42Join us then
48:43We'll see you then
48:44Take care, bye-bye for now
48:50You'll see you then
48:52BEST
49:01I'll be sorry
49:03I'll be sorry
49:04I'm sorry
49:05I'm sorry
49:06I'll be sorry
49:07Cut out the floor
49:08I'll be sorry
49:09I'll be sorry
49:10I'll be sorry
49:11I'll be sorry
49:12I'll be sorry
49:13Patrick
49:14I'll be sorry
49:15Thanks for your time
49:16Bye-bye and see you
49:17Good day
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