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The Jeremy Kyle Show- 30th April 2019
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00:10On today's show, it's got so bad Sky has assaulted you, Tanya's nicked money from your purse, they're no family, they've accused you of killing your own baby.
00:20Yeah. I don't want a relationship with my sister. She ain't no sister of mine.
00:24You're a drama queen, Sky. Shut up.
00:26You're on the Jezza show, mate. You could have solved this at home.
00:30You're standing there, acting hard. Who's going to zoom in on that little burn marks from the side?
00:37Hello, Sky. That would be when we were outside. When I tried to confront you about what it's done on your baby's grave.
00:44You, Sky. I'm never actually meaning to them, I don't know if they're about you.
00:49You stand yourself for drugs. I've seen it, Sky, and I've also heard it from a couple friends.
00:54Don't get in my face drain, because if you do that, you can't stop swearing.
00:58You're a fat child, you're a fat child. You can't even admit that you killed my baby's grave.
01:04I didn't watch as immature as well. You didn't.
01:06I didn't.
01:08Where were you for five months? An 18-year-old kid on the street with no help.
01:12You weren't on the streets, you were at other people, were the women's.
01:15I weren't on the streets, sleeping behind the sage in Gateshead, sleeping outside Central Station by the outreach team,
01:21actually getting help to try and move forward. I was going to get put on a place for druggies.
01:26I wasn't what I want.
01:28Hello, friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:50You're right. First guest today, Jo is here to confront, she says, her nightmare sisters Sky and Tanya.
01:56Jo says that her sisters have done everything they can to ruin her life, including attacking her, stealing from her,
02:03and this is awful, even accusing her of killing her own baby.
02:07Jo says she's had enough of the abuse, and after today they can do one, out of her life, once and for all.
02:13Massive day. Give her a round of applause. Jo's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
02:21Welcome to the show. When I, welcome to the show, when I read headlines like that and I hear, you know,
02:27they threatened and they did, I think, my God, can we just, so this is, this is you and, how old are you?
02:32I'm 22 years old.
02:34So Sky's 21, Tanya's 24, so one younger.
02:37I'm 22 years old.
02:38I'm sorry, I'll be quiet, I'm sorry, but she's got my age wrong.
02:51Come here, Tom, what is your name?
02:53Tom.
02:54And what do you do?
02:54I'm the producer.
02:55Right, I've just been called a what by you?
02:57No, not you.
02:58No, don't call me.
02:59Because I said Sky was 21, what does that say?
03:03Uh, 21.
03:04So who is the...
03:05You're brilliant.
03:06Fantastic.
03:07A round of applause.
03:08Fantastic.
03:09Yeah, there we go.
03:10How are you reading what I'm given?
03:12Uh, welcome.
03:13Uh, so, um, on a serious note, is this just handbags at dawn?
03:17Why such animosity?
03:18You say I've never got along with them.
03:20You've always felt like the outsider.
03:22Why?
03:23They've always treated me with no respect.
03:25Uh...
03:26You were brought up in care?
03:27Yeah.
03:28Why?
03:29Sky was Golden Child and so I was Tanya.
03:31Two hours...
03:32No, shut up.
03:33It's my time.
03:34All right.
03:35Five minutes of fame.
03:36Shut up.
03:37Me.
03:38But...
03:39Why were you put in care and the other two lived at home?
03:43You all have the same mother?
03:44Yes.
03:45Same father?
03:46Um, me, Tanya and someone of my other sister, yes.
03:50Sky, different.
03:51Um...
03:52You've told my team, it's got so bad.
03:54Sky has assaulted you.
03:55Yes.
03:56Tanya's nicked money from your purse.
03:57They're no family.
03:59They've, uh, they've accused you of killing your own baby.
04:03Yeah, they basically...
04:04Can you...
04:05Basically, um, I found out that I had an STI, chlamydia.
04:11I went to the doctor when I was 21 weeks pregnant.
04:14I...
04:15Seriously?
04:16Shut up!
04:17Can you stop shouting out, love?
04:18You're doing my head in.
04:19Sit down and be quiet.
04:20You're being insensitive, aren't you?
04:21No, I'm really not, mate.
04:22Lose the picture.
04:23I'm not your mate.
04:24Go on.
04:25Uh, but basically...
04:26Shut up.
04:27I had chlamydia.
04:28They gave me tablets when I went to the doctor.
04:29They gave me a week's worth.
04:30I took that week's worth.
04:31I went back to the doctor, and he said I was all clear.
04:34They say that you were told that you had chlamydia.
04:36You took no responsibility.
04:37I am legally bound to give you information from the Public Health England regarding effects
04:41of chlamydia on pregnancy.
04:42I have to do that for the sake of the show.
04:44Untreated chlamydia in pregnancy may increase the risk of problems such as a baby.
04:47I'm really not, mate.
04:48Lose the picture.
04:49I'm not your mate.
04:50Lose the picture.
04:51I'm not your mate.
04:52Go on.
04:53Basically...
04:54Shut up.
04:55The pregnancy may increase the risk of problems such as a baby being born prematurely before
04:5837 weeks of pregnancy or with a low birth weight.
05:01Did you miscarry or what happened?
05:03I had a stillborn.
05:04I gave birth to him.
05:06And their response?
05:07Their response was that I killed him.
05:10And also, to top it off, Tanya came to the hospital with one of her friends, demanding
05:14that I give her a tenner to get her a taxi home.
05:17And I told her she can walk home.
05:18It was only across the lines.
05:20They've also thrown you under the bus, haven't they?
05:22I know that you've been unable to afford a headstone fit for the grave.
05:25So they say you were no fit mother any.
05:27Can I just ask you one thing?
05:30There's this money, this inheritance.
05:32You inherited from, it doesn't matter from whom, nearly 80,000 pounds?
05:37Yes.
05:38Could some of that not be used for a headstone or what?
05:41Erm.
05:42I'm only asking.
05:44Yeah.
05:45No, innit?
05:46You're a drama queen, Sky.
05:47Just shut up.
05:48You're on the Jezza show, mate.
05:50You could have solved this at home.
05:51What?
05:52When you just...
05:53Sky's on the Jezza show.
05:54Sky's on the Jezza show.
05:55Sky's on the Jezza show.
06:00Why do you have no self-respect?
06:01Don't you, Sky?
06:02Why would I hit you here?
06:03I think I made a good job of it.
06:04No, no, no.
06:05Do you really want to get onto this?
06:06Ready, Sky?
06:07Yeah, yeah.
06:08Consuming you're standing there.
06:09Do you remember that?
06:10Hard.
06:11Can you just get a zoom in on that?
06:12A little burn mark from a fag.
06:13Do you remember that?
06:14Burn mark?
06:15Where did I burn you, Sky?
06:16That would be when we were outside.
06:17Where did I burn you?
06:18When I tried to confront you about what I had done on your baby's grave.
06:20Then you killed.
06:21Sky!
06:22How can you...
06:23Oi!
06:24How can you say that?
06:25Sit down.
06:26How can you say that?
06:27She was 22 weeks, right?
06:28She had every...
06:29Shut up!
06:30She was a gradual minute, right?
06:31She was 22 weeks.
06:32I don't think it's a bit insensitive.
06:34No, I don't.
06:35Because she had every opportunity to go and get her a minute.
06:38She said she got...
06:39No, she didn't!
06:40Stop using the F word!
06:41I'm sorry.
06:42Yes, I did.
06:43I went to her doctor.
06:44My social workers.
06:45Thank you very much.
06:46Tablet, sorry.
06:47They give you one tablet.
06:48They give you one tablet.
06:49They give you one tablet, mate.
06:51They had children.
06:52They give you one tablet.
06:53Shut up, chat.
06:54Oh, you are.
06:55Let me hear your side.
06:56No, I'm never acclimated because I'm not dating .
06:58But hey, oh.
06:59You serve yourself for drugs.
07:01Oh, yeah.
07:02I've seen it, Scott.
07:03And I've also heard it from a couple friends.
07:05Apparently, you need...
07:06Apparently, you physically...
07:08You physically assaulted her.
07:10What right do you have to sit there in judgement?
07:12Um, because she killed my nephew, right?
07:14She's accused my...
07:15What are you saying that?
07:16Listen, there are so many other points.
07:17Give me two minutes.
07:18Can we just slow down a minute?
07:19That is an extraordinarily disturbing line to come out with.
07:22Let me just...
07:23It's disgraceful.
07:24There are people who don't even know they've got chlamydia.
07:27It's a very silent thing.
07:28But you're saying that this woman discovered...
07:31How many weeks gone were you when you discovered your...
07:33I was 21 weeks pregnant.
07:34Right.
07:35What is your...
07:36You say that you were given medicine, right?
07:38Yes, I was.
07:39Which you took.
07:40Yes.
07:41And after she went through...
07:42I would imagine women...
07:44Is that not the most traumatic thing a woman could go through a stillbirth?
07:47One of them.
07:48Why are you sitting there throwing it in her face and smiling?
07:50It's vile.
07:51Because you took it.
07:52No, listen, right.
07:53Unless you've lived her life or...
07:55What do you think she feels about the baby?
07:57How...
07:58She...
07:59What are you trying to do?
08:00Throw her a woman that's lost a kid.
08:02The most difficult...
08:03You're saying she's responsible?
08:04She's responsible.
08:05She got us 84 grand inheritance and bought a car instead of her son's headstone.
08:10No, listen, right.
08:11No, she got the headstone, right?
08:12She showed everyone the receipt.
08:13She's gone back to...
08:15Gone back to the place.
08:16I'm so sorry.
08:17She's gone back to the place and got a refund and brought a car for her ex-boyfriend.
08:20Yeah, because he's living in the middle of nowhere.
08:21So that's a big cow!
08:22Stop playing!
08:23Stop playing!
08:24Stop playing!
08:25Stop playing!
08:26I'm a dead child!
08:27No, you're a dead child!
08:28Don't get him...
08:29I'm a dead child!
08:30Don't get him...
08:31I'm a dead child!
08:32Stop swearing!
08:33Get your facts right, little girl!
08:34I'm getting my facts right.
08:35You can't even admit that you killed...
08:37I did!
08:38I did!
08:39I have family there!
08:40You are a scum!
08:41You are a scum!
08:42You are a scum!
08:43You are a scum!
08:44You are a scum!
08:45Do you not think it's disgusting, whatever you might think about this woman, to keep throwing
08:50in her face that she lost a kid?
08:52Then why do you do it?
08:54Do it!
08:55Hold on a minute.
08:56Have you got any children?
08:57No, I don't.
08:58Right, why?
08:59I'll tap it before I tap it, because I have better things to spend my money on.
09:01I'm not ready for a kid!
09:02Simple as that!
09:03I'm not ready for a kid!
09:04She wasn't ready for a kid!
09:06You say...
09:07She accused your dad of something, didn't she?
09:09She...
09:10She...
09:11Oh, mate!
09:12Stop swearing!
09:13No!
09:14Stop!
09:15Is it because my dad loves me and you've got to make up a blast in a room instead of my dad?
09:20Hello!
09:21She accused your dad of touching her up, didn't she?
09:23Yeah!
09:24Apparently!
09:25Then why...
09:26Why did he do it to me in his bedroom?
09:27Why was he watching porn?
09:28Where was you at our house?
09:29Where was your mom in my dad's house?
09:30When?
09:31When?
09:32When?
09:33When I paid for my daughter, you shitty cow!
09:34Why isn't this...
09:35Hello?
09:36Why isn't this...
09:37Shut up!
09:38Why isn't this...
09:39Because I was too scared to say anything, because I know how...
09:40Joanne is a compulsive liar.
09:41I raised her from a young girl.
09:42I did everything I possibly can.
09:44I've given her money, food, and a father figure.
09:46I don't like the way she talks about any of the family.
09:48She has a vicious tongue.
09:49She's even made a horrendous allegation that I absolutely deny.
09:53I've treated like the rest of my children and I...
09:56I am speaking!
09:57Sorry.
09:58I'm appalled and ashamed by her behaviour.
10:00She hasn't even bothered visiting where her son has been buried.
10:03That sums the woman up.
10:05Answer that.
10:06No, I've been to this grave when she's not there.
10:08Please be quiet.
10:09Did he try on with you?
10:10Yes, he did, in his bedroom.
10:12And then he said to me, when that little...
10:14Oh, you're my special girl.
10:16This woman says, despite the allegation you've made about her father,
10:20it's him and her family that goes to the grave of this child you sadly lost,
10:24because you don't care.
10:26That's what they say.
10:27It's not that I don't care.
10:28I go there when they're not there, because they give me nothing but grief.
10:31I've had enough of it.
10:33Why is it every time we go there, there's grass overgrown,
10:35all the... all over the place?
10:36We...
10:37Because I'm going out with family members, Guy.
10:39Just shut up.
10:40You've got no one left, Joanne.
10:41Really?
10:42You've got no one left.
10:43Really?
10:44Your brother's sitting in the little green room, isn't it?
10:46Oh, he's going to find out...
10:47What's your other sister called?
10:48Tanya.
10:49I've got...
10:50Well, two.
10:51Who's in there?
10:52Tanya.
10:53Can you ever shut up?
10:54Where is she?
10:55I'm really sorry.
10:57Bizarrely, I find you quite scary.
11:01The other sister's actually called Tanya, who's quite...
11:04I just want to have a chat with her before the ad break.
11:07Hello.
11:08You all right?
11:09Yeah.
11:10I'm a bit sweaty.
11:11Are you?
11:12Why are you here?
11:13They tell me you're nervous.
11:14Yeah, I don't want to be here.
11:15What's the matter, mate?
11:16Why not?
11:17Because she's a liar.
11:18What's she lied about?
11:19Well, everything.
11:20The money.
11:21Everything.
11:22She gave me the money in front of my husband, in front of my little sister.
11:24She never goes to her son's grave.
11:25Never.
11:26I deal with everything.
11:27My husband pays, literally, for flowers.
11:28Yeah, it's only flowers.
11:29Is she a compulsive liar?
11:30Yeah.
11:31She threatened to...
11:32It's a bit shocking though, your sister going on...
11:33What?
11:34She literally threatened to kick my baby out of me.
11:36Yes, you did to her!
11:39Shut up!
11:40Shut up!
11:41You don't care about...
11:42Ready?
11:43I don't even know the name of my third...
11:44Will you be quiet?
11:45Oh, sorry.
11:46Just be quiet for 30 seconds.
11:47I want to speak to Tanya.
11:48Joe has always been a drama queen.
11:49This is all for sympathy.
11:50It won't wash with me.
11:51I've never stolen money.
11:52She gave me the money.
11:53She's spiteful and manipulative.
11:54It's all a bunch of lies.
11:55She is.
11:56She's horrible.
11:57She's trampy.
11:58I'm ashamed to call her a sister.
11:59I want her after today.
12:00I'm ashamed to call her a sister.
12:01I want her after today.
12:02I'm sorry.
12:03I'm sorry.
12:04I'm sorry.
12:05I'm sorry.
12:06I'm sorry.
12:07I'm sorry.
12:08I'm ashamed to call her a sister.
12:10I want her after today
12:11to stop chatting rubbish
12:12and leave me alone.
12:13I just don't want...
12:14All right, mate.
12:15Listen, I'm going to go to an ad break.
12:16I'd love you to sit in the pod
12:17and at least listen to her.
12:18All right, if you take on the pod,
12:19we're going to an ad break.
12:20Coming back and trying to sort it out.
12:21Thank you very much.
12:22What's CCTV evidence?
12:23CCTV evidence of what?
12:24Me beating her up?
12:25Yeah, I admit to that.
12:26You get 74 grand
12:27and you can't spend 2,500
12:29on a Winnie the Pimento!
12:31Why'd you come here today?
12:32Because I want them to stay out of my life.
12:35I still need...
12:36Mum?
12:37Are you?
12:38Well, the other day,
12:39you're done, Lord.
12:40Heaven do upset me and hurt me.
12:46Are you ready for this, people?
12:52Look at this, Stacey!
12:53Yes, I know!
12:54Look at this!
12:55I'm going to wipe the floor with you today, boy!
12:57Oh, my God!
12:58Oh, my God!
12:59Your daughter has felt abandoned by you.
13:14And today is about trying to heal that.
13:15I want you to help me.
13:16Trying to heal that.
13:17I want you to help me.
13:19Christy's back on the Jeremy Kyle show.
13:24What have you got?
13:26I don't know, really.
13:26I can't be a big f***.
13:28Let's have a look at the picture.
13:34Oh, Shane didn't give a...
13:35Did he when he...
13:36Give me that day, did he?
13:37No.
13:38And that's what I do for a living.
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14:18Here we go.
14:19Here we go.
14:19Here we go.
14:20The great Joe, Sky and Tanya.
14:21Three sisters at war.
14:22I spoke to your sister Tanya there.
14:24And just don't interrupt.
14:26I need you to answer that.
14:27Tanya very reasonably said you've always been a drama queen.
14:30In fact, she made an even better point.
14:31She was in care.
14:32She said she hasn't turned out like you.
14:34You said you were...
14:35Don't say a word.
14:36I'm just looking at her.
14:36She said that you said that you were the only one that was in care.
14:38She was in care.
14:39So you're lying, didn't you?
14:40No.
14:41I didn't actually know that she went in care.
14:43You didn't know your sister was in care.
14:44No.
14:45Shut up.
14:46Oh my God, shut up.
14:48Who is Connor?
14:50Connor.
14:50He's like a brother to me.
14:53He's like family.
14:53Why are you swearing?
14:55Just bring him on, please, because you're going to love this next bit.
14:57Bring him on, please.
14:58Bring him on.
14:59Connor to the show, ladies and gentlemen.
15:01Do you want to do it?
15:02Yeah, I do, please.
15:03Go on then.
15:03Welcome Connor to the show, ladies and gentlemen.
15:12I've seen you on the side.
15:13Sit down.
15:14Have you even got CCTV evidence?
15:15Huh?
15:16CCTV evidence of what?
15:17Me beating her up?
15:18Yeah, I admit to that.
15:18I'm here because...
15:19I'm here now.
15:20I told you...
15:20Hold on a minute.
15:21You can't do it now.
15:22I'm not going to...
15:23You can't expect me to sit and let you get away with.
15:25You killed your baby.
15:27You've just admitted on national television.
15:29You attacked her.
15:30Yes, but you're self-defense, mate.
15:31Right, here's that.
15:32You're self-defense.
15:33You hit me first.
15:34I didn't even listen to your brother.
15:37Why do you keep going on about her daddy?
15:40It's a bit weird the way you talk.
15:42What should I do it?
15:43My dad actually loves me.
15:44My dad tried to take care of her.
15:45But she's in my dad's face.
15:47Why would you justify attacking her physically?
15:50Why?
15:50Because you can't.
15:51Here's that one, right.
15:52Who are you, anyway?
15:53Are you with her in a relationship?
15:55No, I'm like her lover.
15:57Might as well be.
15:58We're growing up.
15:59We're like...
16:00Everyone, everything.
16:01Pulse.
16:01I'm with the partner of Seffield.
16:02You dirty...
16:03Me.
16:05I'm not wasting my breath on a perfect little girl like you.
16:08Your sister, Tanya...
16:10On the Jeremy Kyle show, because you won five minutes of fame.
16:12No.
16:13I'm not...
16:13You've been here, 26.
16:17In my house, Joanne.
16:18That may come enough.
16:19No, because I don't want nothing to do with you.
16:21Considering it was you and your little...
16:23That followed me home.
16:24What did you just say?
16:25Her and her little...
16:27That followed me home in the car.
16:28Her little what?
16:29Oh, that's the timeline.
16:30Don't be disrespectful.
16:32That's me.
16:34That's all I've worked.
16:35I know your sister works with her master.
16:37Tanya's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
16:39Can you just shut up?
16:49Sorry.
16:49This is scary, isn't it?
16:51Why did you want to come out?
16:54It's got to be said, isn't it?
16:55I've got to be the grown-up one.
16:56Go on, then.
16:56I want to hear it from her and nobody else.
16:58It's literally lies.
16:59Me, my sister, Joanne, my brother, we was all in foster care.
17:03I come out when I was the age of 21.
17:06So, it's just literally lie after lie after lie.
17:09Because it's an attention call.
17:11Because she's saying that, obviously, like, we're never there for her.
17:13We never help her out.
17:14We don't do nothing.
17:15It is literally mama language.
17:19But we've constantly helped her.
17:20She's accused you of stealing 900 quid.
17:23Talk to her.
17:24I don't want to talk to her.
17:26I come out here to talk to you, not to talk to her,
17:28because I don't want a relationship with her.
17:29She's my sister.
17:30We hope she gets the help she gets from your show.
17:33That's it.
17:34I've got my life.
17:34What help does she need?
17:36A lot.
17:37Let's go, shut up.
17:38Sorry.
17:38She needs, I don't know, like, just some sort of...
17:41Maybe she needs help with grieving, because she lost her kid.
17:43Yeah, yeah, she probably does.
17:44She probably does.
17:44But we have been there for her.
17:46I've sorted out her grave multiple times.
17:48I live up the road.
17:49Why don't you talk to her?
17:50Because I just...
17:51Because if I look at her...
17:52You're her elder sister.
17:53Why don't you try?
17:53You might smoke me...
17:54Because we've tried this.
17:56I think she's crying out for a relationship with all of you.
17:58She's getting attention.
17:59Don't you think people do things when they want a reaction?
18:02Or even if she...
18:03She knows if she could have sorted out at home.
18:05She knows where we live.
18:06He's literally looking at me.
18:07That means...
18:08Tell my team...
18:09She's a conscious person.
18:11It seems that she's phoned social services on.
18:13You tried to get your kids taken.
18:14Yeah.
18:15Well, I've only got one kid.
18:16She's phoned in one with twice.
18:17Is that right?
18:17Yeah, I have.
18:19Fair enough.
18:19She's saying I need...
18:20Well, that's acceptable, is it?
18:21Well, what right do you have?
18:22What right do I have?
18:24Considering, um...
18:25When I went to a bonfire night, she had her in a pram at nine o'clock at night.
18:30It's bonfire night.
18:31Oh, that's a good reason to phone social services.
18:34So you phoned social services tit for tat, yeah?
18:37Yeah, I did.
18:38Nice.
18:39Look, it's also all right for her to come up to the hospital.
18:41I was for a tenant.
18:41You've certainly lost the moral high ground now, haven't you?
18:44I don't care if I lost the moral high ground.
18:46I don't care.
18:47But it was disrespectful for her to come up to the hospital.
18:50I will accept.
18:52I will allow the witness called the Jeremy Kyle Show.
18:55No, she said that it's from the hospital.
18:58No, she's saying that it came from the hospital.
18:59But then backstage, everyone was saying that we took the £10 off her at the funeral.
19:04No, it wasn't the funeral.
19:05But why such animosity?
19:07Why don't you just not have anything to do with each other?
19:10Listen, we don't want to come on here.
19:12We haven't come to her since last year.
19:14She said she used it.
19:15She came into a lot.
19:16Why did you...
19:17We all had it.
19:18We all had it.
19:18You all had 84 grand.
19:19It wasn't 84.
19:20It was 64.
19:21I know it's still a big amount.
19:22Considering I had it.
19:23They put it in my account.
19:25Right.
19:25Have you still got...
19:26No.
19:27She's wanted it.
19:29She wasted it.
19:29Why didn't you buy a headstone?
19:31Because I didn't want to do it on my inheritance.
19:33I wanted to save it up myself.
19:35You can't save it yourself.
19:36You've done it again, haven't you?
19:37You're the moral high ground.
19:38And you can't spend, what?
19:39500 pounds?
19:40No, because I wanted to save it up.
19:41I wanted to be proud of myself to save it up myself.
19:42So you get 74 grand and you can't spend 2,500 on a Winnie the Pooh headstone.
19:49You said no.
19:49Tell her to shut up.
19:50You did spend it.
19:51And then you went back and got...
19:52I had enough of your...
19:53...friend.
19:54Because all you do, you just...
19:55You just put...
19:56...for your own...
19:57...family.
19:57Do you know what?
19:57Do you know what?
19:58Do you know what?
19:58I don't...
19:59...do you know what?
20:00I don't know.
20:00Do you know what?
20:01I don't know.
20:01Do you know what I don't know?
20:02Do you know what I don't know?
20:03Is that all...
20:04...ever hatred there is, there's a kid that died in the midst of all of this.
20:07You haven't been there for me.
20:09I've gone through hell.
20:10You've been through hell.
20:11You've gone through hell.
20:12I've lost my nan and granddad, bruv.
20:14And you weren't there.
20:15I'm eating my sisters.
20:17They died in January.
20:19Where can I be?
20:20Do you think I'm really going to come down?
20:21What is this?
20:22What is this?
20:23A competition, is it?
20:24No, it's a competition, right?
20:25But then the day, she said she's been...
20:27Can you stop talking over each other?
20:30Why did...
20:30Just don't say words to you two a minute.
20:31Why'd you come here today?
20:33Because I want them to stay out of my life.
20:34Why don't you just stop slagging her off and live your own life?
20:37I had nothing to do with it.
20:38After she got me done for common assault, I literally did not speak to her.
20:41She pulled Tanya on here, right?
20:43And I'm not going to let my sister come on here and defend her case when I've got so much...
20:46She's trying to slag her off.
20:47And frankly, she's the best...
20:48Mum, I know.
20:49She says that she doesn't waste money.
20:51We went out the other day and brought an electric car just so he can walk around, ride around it because he wanted it.
20:55Right, she buys designer clothes.
20:57Her and her other half walk around in Primark clothes so their boy can have designer...
21:01Technically, I walk...
21:02Shut the...
21:02We're not talking about you.
21:03In exclusive clothes, thank you.
21:04Right, she walks around like...
21:06It's not all about money.
21:08Stop, it's not.
21:08It's not all about money, Brian.
21:10But at the end of the day, right...
21:10I think you lose the moral high ground when you're slagging her off for losing a baby.
21:14And I can't get involved in a discussion about that.
21:15It's pretty obvious.
21:16Listen, I can go over that.
21:16I'll go over that.
21:17One of the things about this show, if I could get a word in it...
21:21Sometimes on this show, at the end of the day, there's no common ground.
21:27Sometimes, you know, people say, you know, we're angsty, that's why we're here.
21:32Sometimes it's just too much water under the bridge.
21:34When you're using something as tragic as the death of a baby to score points on your...
21:39I'm hearing you.
21:41Shut up.
21:41It's like having a daughter that doesn't do...
21:44It doesn't help anybody the way that you are.
21:47Tanya's right.
21:48You guys should just ignore each other and stop threatening and scoring points and go in
21:52the opposite direction.
21:53It's difficult for me to sit here and go, oh, there's a magic wand.
21:55You've said you killed your baby.
21:56You've said that your husband's this.
21:58You've all made mistakes.
22:00You can't sit there in all honesty and pretend that the light shines from everywhere over you.
22:04You permitted common assault.
22:06Hear me out.
22:07That's a fact.
22:07I mean, anyway, you know, you, you know, let's be honest, you lost the moral high ground when
22:13you phoned social services on your sister for having, and I repeat, her child in a push
22:17chair wrapped in a blanket at a bonfire party at nine o'clock at night because you didn't
22:22like the fact that she apparently was upset with you.
22:25It's childish, just like your points scoring with some of the most disgusting things.
22:29Final word from you, my darling.
22:30She phoned social services well before bonfire night because bonfire night's in November.
22:33No, I had the call in August because I was at the family court with my mum.
22:37Why don't you just accept that these relationships aren't going to work?
22:39I did accept it.
22:40Yeah, no, we didn't.
22:40All right, well, I didn't, I didn't, I'm just giving a, like.
22:43She's not bringing us on this so she can get five minutes of fame.
22:45And now she's got it because well done.
22:46You've showed yourself up to one point.
22:48I don't know how many million people.
22:49Do you know what I mean?
22:49More than that.
22:50I'm not actually bothered.
22:51What do you mean one point?
22:52What's she talking?
22:53Listen, I know it's like 1.5 billion views on YouTube.
22:56I think I'm one of those millions of views.
22:58You're a legend.
22:59I'm not being disrespectful, but nobody knows why you're here.
23:10They don't know who you are or why you're here.
23:12I'm a brother too, isn't he?
23:14Right, listen, we have to go.
23:15You two, you and the man who you know because anyway, you go that way, you two go that way.
23:19Nice to meet you, mate.
23:20Come here, come here, come here, come here.
23:36Turn to the camera and go, this legend's going to an ad break.
23:39This legend's going to an ad break.
23:42My first memory of actually growing up myself is personally of just neglect.
23:46Is she going to come out and say you held a knife to her throat or stole money off her?
23:49No.
23:49She made your homeless three days ago.
23:51What sort of mother does that?
23:52She told me that I was on the stage and I said I'm living being born.
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24:37Thank you very much, Lee.
24:38Welcome back.
24:39My next guest today, Kevin, is here to demand answers from his mother, Miranda, a woman, he says, that has never really been there for him.
24:44He says, look, they attempted to build bridges last week.
24:47He moved in with her.
24:48However, it ended disastrously after just three days.
24:51It ended with her kicking him out.
24:52She made him homeless.
24:54He says, you know what?
24:55All I've wanted is a mother to be there for me and a mother to give me answers.
24:59And if I don't get them today, I'm done.
25:01Kevin's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
25:03Nice to meet you.
25:11Kev, do me a favour and put into words, because we do a lot of stories like this.
25:15A lot of people come here and they say, I don't understand the way my father treated me.
25:19I don't understand the way my mother treated me.
25:22Don't take this as a negative, because it's not at all.
25:24Why here?
25:25Why a platform like this?
25:26Just because, like, I've tried so many different ways and just, like, I've tried to reach out to every single possible person, everything like that.
25:33And they've just never listened and stuff like that.
25:36And I feel as if, you know, this is an option in which, you know, then hopefully she will listen to me once.
25:41Miranda's your mum.
25:41Um, you know, me as an overview, I can see right and wrong on both sides, I'm not going to lie.
25:46And the point of this is to do it and deal with the emotion and try and get you to a point where you can mediate.
25:52Um, growing up, what's your first memory?
25:54What sort of mother was she?
25:55Well, to be fair, my first memory of actually growing up myself is personally of just neglect.
26:00Basically not being there for me, you know, inviting other people, you know, to come, you know, going out, casino, gambling, stuff like that.
26:06Never there for me.
26:07And just, I don't know, getting people to pick me up from school that I didn't even know, you know, when I was in school.
26:12Wearing, like, going into school, dirty clothes, stuff like that.
26:16Did she tell you that you were a mistake?
26:18Yeah.
26:19That's nice.
26:19She told me that I wasn't, she told me that I was a mistake and I shouldn't have even been born.
26:24Um, you said that you always felt left out.
26:27Yeah, I always felt left out.
26:28The rest was silver spoon.
26:29What do you mean by that?
26:30Yeah, well, basically, like, I felt left out in terms of the fact that growing up I had me or the two sisters, um, Chloe,
26:36and then obviously me or the sister, um, and, you know, they've always had their dads there for them.
26:41And I didn't know my dad until I was nine.
26:44Let's, let's be specific.
26:45Have you got the same dads you three?
26:47Uh, no, we've got different dads.
26:49All three different dads.
26:50Um, I mean, there was, there was one or two things that I read and I thought, jeez,
26:54you told my team that the drink, if you were asked to write about a drink that you knew up to the age of ten,
26:58it was Malibu.
26:59Yeah.
26:59It's not even funny, is it?
27:00Top left drawer, top left drawer, I'd always go in and drink it.
27:03You said you couldn't read and write at the age of ten when you were under her care.
27:07No, I couldn't.
27:07No, that's why, that's why social services stepped in and basically helped me out and put me in for everything they possibly can to make me learn.
27:13And, you know, luckily, you know, brightest out of it is I got GCSEs when I went to it with my dad.
27:18You said that, that, you know, she didn't, she just didn't do the things that now you've grown up you understand mattered, really.
27:34Just, just that bonding, just that.
27:36Just the general bonding, like when I went to me, you know, when I went to me father, you know, it was, it was a great time, you know,
27:43there was, there's always going to be negatives and positives, you know, I was in the wrong, you know, growing up.
27:47But the thing is, is I never got guidance from me mum.
27:50I never got, you know, I think whether or not she couldn't handle.
27:51Can I say something, they'll clap, but I mean this, listen, I'm 53.
27:55If I had a kid and I'd ignored him and he'd been homeless like you have for a while and I'd been through all of that and you came out, this switched on at 18,
28:01I think you've done a good job, seriously.
28:04Seriously.
28:05But, what I liked about you is you went, you know what, I've made mistakes.
28:10Of course you have, because you're reacting and I'm sure you've done things that you probably regret.
28:14I'm just, I'm just interested as to what her reaction to these accusations is.
28:18Is she going to come out here and say, he's a fantasist?
28:20Why do you kick off?
28:21Because you moved in with her the other day to try and put it right and then that finished after three days.
28:26Why?
28:26What is it?
28:27Well, personally, it's everything, and as you should know yourself, is in front of everyone, in front of people, she acts as if she's the golden person.
28:37When it's behind closed doors, then it's a lot different.
28:40Then you see the actual person who kicks off over spilt milk, literally, like she's crying over spilt milk.
28:45Oh, go and do the dishes for me.
28:46I'll be like, yeah, don't worry, I will do in five, ten minutes.
28:49No, I want it done now.
28:50Pardon me French, but, you know, it'll be like, get it done now.
28:52You think you're quite alike?
28:54No.
28:55Can you, sitting here, because today I want to try and make this work, because, patently, you've both come to the show and you both want the same thing.
29:01I want a connection with her, because she's the only person.
29:03Have you done anything wrong?
29:04Have you got an olive branch to offer her when she comes out?
29:08Can you see the sum of what you've done, or do you think it all transcends from that abandonment?
29:13It transcends from the abandonment, and no actual things that were put in place for me to learn, no actual points to learn from.
29:19Listen, I've said it, you know, Graham and I have argued about this over many a glass of water.
29:25I think we're massively, a lot of our behaviour comes from where, from what we're shown.
29:33Of course, we have our own ways of developing, but proof, surely, is if you see bad things, it can have a detrimental effect.
29:40I want a relationship, and I always will say that.
29:42I do want a relationship with her, but I just want the answers that I deserve.
29:46She made you homeless three days ago.
29:47What's your mother does that?
29:48Well, it weren't three days ago.
29:49Is she going to come out and say you held a knife to her throat, or stole money off her?
29:52No.
29:52So she just threw you out?
29:53No.
29:53Basically, obviously, because of the fact that I invited people around, you know, she says that I go around sleeping with people.
30:00You have to realise, is that I was in an environment.
30:02She says you disrespected her, and you had three different girls around her house, three nights on the trot.
30:06Well, she would say that, but it's completely not the way that it all looks.
30:10Let's get her out.
30:10Miranda's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
30:12Nice to meet you, Mr. Kyle.
30:20Mr. Kyle, I do not think you're right whatsoever.
30:25Two days ago, at the end of the day, I helped you.
30:31Help, hindered, hindered, hindered.
30:35No, no, no, no, no.
30:35Help, where were you for five months?
30:37Five months, an 18-year-old kid on the street with no help, no help.
30:42You weren't on the streets, you were at other people, other women's.
30:45You weren't on the streets, sleeping behind the stage in Gateshead, sleeping outside Central Station by the outreach team,
30:51actually getting helped off them to try and move forward.
30:55I was going to get put in a place with druggies.
30:57Do you think that's what I want?
30:58You're wrong, Kevin.
31:00I'm wrong.
31:00And you've lied.
31:01I'm wrong.
31:02I'm wrong.
31:02I'm absolutely done-founded what you've done here.
31:05What do you mean by that?
31:06Welcome to the show.
31:06What do you mean by that?
31:07I'm done-founded.
31:08Because I'm slightly sceptical about people who shake my hand on the way out.
31:12Now, your son, did you go into care?
31:16No.
31:16You went into care.
31:17You made this big thing.
31:17I went into care when I was young.
31:19He needs to stop looking back, look forward and help himself.
31:21Yeah, he does.
31:22Do you think it's right for a mother to throw an 18-year-old out?
31:24I didn't throw him out.
31:25He actually walked out and he packed his case.
31:27And I was trying to say, Kevin, can you speak?
31:30And he just didn't speak.
31:31What about before that?
31:32You say, you've been very candid.
31:34You said, he's a nightmare.
31:35I've got other kids to worry about.
31:36I don't like his attitude.
31:38What, growing up, he says, and tell me if I'm wrong,
31:41she was no mother, she wasn't there.
31:43She was always out.
31:44It was men.
31:44I wasn't.
31:45Don't lie, you were.
31:46You were always going to be and go,
31:48do you want me to bring the people into it?
31:49Because I can name Rosette.
31:50No, you're not going to name people.
31:52Is any of what, I mean, are you prepared to meet in the middle?
31:55Or is this all him?
31:55Because you gave birth to this boy and it's almost like you washed your hands.
31:57Do you know something?
31:58No, I've never washed my hands of him.
32:00I've helped him out.
32:01What have you done wrong as a mother?
32:03I'll tell you exactly what I've done wrong.
32:05Give me kids too much.
32:07Give me too much?
32:08What have you given me?
32:09Do you know when you need help, when you need train tickets or anything like that?
32:13Isn't that what you're supposed to do as a parent?
32:14Yes, I do.
32:18I'm slightly worried about people who come out here and they look quite proud of the fact,
32:21I fed him.
32:22I bought him a plane ticket.
32:24Do you realise what I'm doing tonight?
32:26I'm going to a place with I don't know who.
32:28I'll be on the floor like this and a small little post, space and a sleaze and a bike.
32:31Why can't he come to your house?
32:32You're his mother.
32:33Why?
32:33Because he had three birds in my house.
32:35No, come on, be honest.
32:36Why would she make that up?
32:37You did, didn't you?
32:38One day, one day, one day after another, do you want me to tell you?
32:41Did you take women back to her house?
32:43Yes.
32:44Do you want to know why I did that?
32:45Because at the end of the day, I understand and respect it's your house.
32:48And it weren't just women, it was friends.
32:49I know you're going to think I'm harsh, but I'm not because I'm going to bang your bloody
32:53heads together.
32:53It's not your house to take women back to.
32:55That's disrespectful.
32:56I want to settle down, always have.
32:59I want to have a kid of my own in the future.
33:00You're 18, mate.
33:01When I'm financially stable in the future so I can do wrong.
33:04If you're going back into a house to build a relationship with your mother, hear me out.
33:08Because I can absolutely, look, I can finish this right now.
33:11He's hacked off.
33:12He's 18, right?
33:13He's lashing out.
33:14I understand.
33:15She's desperate for you to behave in a certain way.
33:18He's desperate for your love.
33:19Your lock horns, you're probably very similar.
33:21If I was in this position, right, and I was going back there after this time and I wanted
33:26to make it work, I know why you took three women back, to wind your mother up.
33:29Let's just grow up and be honest.
33:30You did, didn't you?
33:32Didn't you?
33:32I took, no, it weren't to wind her up at all.
33:34Then why didn't you spend three nights talking to your mother, sitting there and building a
33:38relationship rather than up in one of her spare rooms?
33:39Because she never talked.
33:40She never ever actually tried out.
33:42One come round and she was drunk.
33:42One come round and she was drunk.
33:45And I'm sorry, I had to tell my own two children at the age of six and eight, sorry, she's disabled
33:50because I didn't want them to know that she was drunk.
33:54And it's wrong for that.
33:56Have you done enough for your son?
33:58Let's turn it round.
33:59Have you done?
33:59I feel as though, I really do.
34:01I've had no social life.
34:02I had no social life.
34:04So from when I left yours at the age of nine, because I remember it.
34:07Why did that happen, by the way?
34:08Because that's where this started, by the way.
34:10The rejection and the abandonment started at nine.
34:12He wasn't his father.
34:14Really?
34:14He didn't want me.
34:14I did not know my father until social services stepped in and I've got papers to prove that.
34:19I have got...
34:20Can I make a suggestion to you?
34:21Can I please make a suggestion to you?
34:23I understand in part your anger.
34:25To your mother I do.
34:26I understand that the other kids are golden, what's it and whatever.
34:29But, and it's very difficult for me because he's not here.
34:31But so many of the stories that I do on this show, one parent gets it all.
34:35Would it not be fair to say that both parents are responsible for messing you up, young man?
34:39I'm not just pulling the blame on it.
34:41Here's the thing that really shocks me and you're just going to sit there like butter wouldn't melt.
34:44You called him a mistake.
34:45I've never called my child.
34:46You have called me a mistake and don't lie about that.
34:48Do you know something is me blue-eyed boy?
34:50I'm a hech.
34:51I'm a hech.
34:52I'm not a blue-eyed boy at all.
34:53You ain't.
34:54If you want to know something, now I am going to play daddy here because I'm older than all of you.
34:58You absolutely are a blue-eyed boy, but you two are so damn similar you keep locking horns.
35:03The reason why Kevin is the way he is is because my mum didn't have laws.
35:09Oh my God, look at the way you look at her.
35:12You're so jealous, bless your heart, aren't you?
35:19Are you embarrassed by a parent?
35:21Perhaps they're on dating websites and meeting strangers for sex.
35:25Are you ashamed of them?
35:26Maybe they're out clubbing when you think they should be at home, growing old gracefully.
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35:56Let me tell you something also, Miranda.
36:00I'm not trying to be difficult.
36:01You talk about, you know, you sit there like there's no problem.
36:04There is a problem.
36:05There is a problem.
36:05Your 18-year-old son is on national television breaking his heart, begging for his mother to love him.
36:11You are, and there might well be good reason, you've talked about your other kids and the behaviour and all that.
36:16You might feel within your rights to do what you've done and that's your right as a mother.
36:20But I know that you're here because you crave it.
36:22You both want the same thing.
36:23Look at him.
36:23If my kid at 18 was sat on the show like this, crying his eyes out, I'm sorry you won't like this, I wouldn't feel like I'd actually succeeded very much.
36:30Do you want to know something, though?
36:31Do you want to know what hurts the most?
36:32Is I phoned you in 2012.
36:34I can remember it specifically on Christmas when I asked for a Chelsea shirt and you just laughed down the phone at me.
36:40And don't deny it because I know, I know specifically you'd laugh down the phone and said I did not deserve it.
36:46Can I say something?
36:47Can I say something which is quite interesting.
36:48The next guest, your daughter Chloe.
36:51Now, obviously in your eyes, the golden girl, but this is interesting.
36:54See, she didn't make an excuse and this is where you have to answer.
36:57She said, Kev needs to move on.
37:00He plays the victim.
37:02He has reason to, but I have moved on.
37:05Why is your daughter saying that?
37:07Chloe's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
37:16Chloe, without, I'm not having a go.
37:18I want to make this work.
37:19Oh, my God, look at the way you look at her.
37:23You're so jealous, bless your heart, aren't you?
37:26Oh, my God, look at him.
37:28How can you let that Miranda c-
37:30It's these two that need so-
37:33It's not, darling, it's you.
37:36Why is he crying?
37:37You realise why she's different to me?
37:38And she'll tell you the exact truth of why you weren't, you was not there for us as a kid.
37:44I remember us people getting picked up by different people day after day.
37:47I want to hear, I want to hear from Chloe.
37:49Was she around?
37:50She was there, yeah.
37:51I'd say the reason why Kevin is the way he is, is because my mum didn't have laws.
37:58She didn't have, if we were going out, we could go out till whenever.
38:02Um, if we wanted a day of school.
38:04Why are you grinning at me?
38:05That's rubbish.
38:06Because I've never, ever had that myself.
38:08Even though I slept in a cemetery.
38:09Oh, Kevin, give it up.
38:10But it's interesting, the mother says, I went into care when I was young.
38:14Yeah.
38:14So you weren't grounded as a mother?
38:16I weren't, no.
38:17So would you accept that what she's saying is right?
38:20That you haven't been, it's a cycle, right?
38:23So we stopped that cycle because you had it, he's now had it.
38:27How did you change?
38:28This is what I want to know.
38:30How are you not the victim?
38:31Because he is, I'm not having to go.
38:32He went to her father, which is a great dad not and away from her father.
38:35That's not, that's not your mother's fault.
38:37And there's some in the audience, I will tell you, will not agree with what I'm going to say.
38:40I completely get, I know I'm getting old because, um, well, I know I'm getting old.
38:44Because I'm definitely turning into my dad on a daily basis.
38:47But here's what I think at 53.
38:49If I realised that my mother had had no rules and probably wasn't great, but I wanted to.
38:53Couldn't she put her rules then as she went into care?
38:55She didn't have no rules going up, shouldn't she?
38:56But then if I knew that my dad wasn't there, I'd want to be the man of the family.
38:59I'd stand up.
38:59This is me being pig-headed.
39:00I'd go, do you know what?
39:01I might not have had a good thing, but instead of, instead of allowing it,
39:04which is what she's talking about moving forward,
39:06instead of allowing it to destroy my life, to become another statistic
39:08and somebody who's going to throw their life away and get drunk or take drugs
39:11or just be bitter and twisted sodom, you know what I'm going to do?
39:13I'm going to make a success of my damn life to show absolutely everybody
39:17the cycle can be broken and I'm better than what happened to me.
39:20Maybe that's easy to say.
39:22Is it easy to say?
39:24Listen to her.
39:26Don't look like that because she's right.
39:28Listen to her because you can do this.
39:30No, called about breaking the cycle.
39:31My last ever, I've had my ups and I've had my downs
39:34and I've moved at the end of the day.
39:36I went through spending five months homeless on the streets.
39:38I went to Manchester, got a job.
39:40No, it's my own fault for spending time on the streets, for being homeless.
39:44No, when you left your dad, you made a decision to live on your own.
39:48Like, you made that decision.
39:49No, because that was what the social services put in place for me.
39:51No, because you didn't like it with your dad.
39:51He supported accommodation.
39:53No, you didn't like it because you had rules.
39:55You had rules with your dad and you hated both times.
39:58But I love living with my dad because he actually gave me rules.
40:01I got my education, I got GCSEs, I had an amazing footy career,
40:05played for Wrexham, Leeds, Tramia Rovers.
40:08My last game was against England in 2017.
40:10What happened then, son?
40:11Are you freezing to do a drugs test on the Jeremy Kyle show
40:14because your family think you're on drugs?
40:16Because I'm not on drugs.
40:17Why didn't you take the test then?
40:18Because I didn't feel it.
40:19We're not here about the drugs.
40:21All right, be honest with me if you want me to help you because I help you.
40:23Do you take drugs?
40:24No, not anymore, no.
40:26I've seen someone die last year of taking cocaine, of sniffing it.
40:29I don't dislike you, I like you very much, but I sort of...
40:32I have done it, yeah, I'll admit I've done it.
40:35I've done cannabis to try and help the PTSD.
40:37But you see, the thing is, and I actually know this is going to get me called harsh,
40:42but this is me being honest.
40:43I'm sure that your sister is like golden girl,
40:46but she's living proof that you can go through exactly the same.
40:48Yeah, she had a different...
40:49It's very difficult for me, but what I would say to you is,
40:52with our help, with mediation, because you both want the same thing,
40:55and I want to put you into that.
40:57I want the both of you to go through that process from us, with our love.
41:00But I sort of look at you and I think...
41:02I went from one extreme to a different extreme,
41:04one with no rules, to one with complete no...
41:06Mate, I get it, and I'm sort of probably going to put it really badly,
41:09but I think we need to drag you out of the past,
41:12get you to a point where you accept that that has happened,
41:14there's nothing that can take that back,
41:16that it is literally a case of draw a line in the sand and go,
41:19do you know what, I can spend my life feeling bitter about that,
41:22feeling bitter to my mother or my father or whatever,
41:24or because I'm whatever, or, and I can look jealousy at my sister
41:27and anybody else that turned their life around me,
41:29angsty, or I go, do you know what, I've got one shot at this.
41:32No, I'm proud of her, I'm happy that she's turned away.
41:34But we want to make you proud of yourself, that's the difference, right?
41:38That's what this is about.
41:40Does it happen overnight?
41:42No, it doesn't.
41:43But what happens is, once you sort your life out with our help,
41:46once you can feel differently about what you want to achieve
41:50and what you want to do in your life,
41:52that will make you look at your relationships in a different way,
41:55plus it will make people look at you.
41:56Miranda, you have to be honest.
41:57You could have done more, couldn't you?
41:59I could have.
42:00But you both want the same thing.
42:04I, let me tell you, Kev, I really like you,
42:06and when I say you look like a sulky kid,
42:07I didn't mean that disrespectfully.
42:08I want to make this work, and I believe that mediation will work,
42:11because I do believe the two of you are like two peas in a pod.
42:13You could start, right?
42:15You could start by not.
42:17I don't care whether you don't like what I'm going to say.
42:20No mother should leave their son homeless
42:21unless the guy is violent or a threat.
42:24Do you know something?
42:24I can't have him at my house.
42:26Well, maybe you need to find a common ground between...
42:28I did find a place for Kevin, and what did you do?
42:32What did you do?
42:33Because he wants his mum.
42:34I know, but the thing is...
42:35Yeah, but Miranda, he wants his mum, so what I'm saying is...
42:37He's 18, he needs to grow up.
42:39Yeah, but I still need me mum.
42:41I still need me mum.
42:42Are you?
42:43You walked out the other day.
42:46You've done loads, Kevin, to upset me and hurt me.
42:48You've taken money off me, everything.
42:50You see, it's really interesting watching this audience.
42:53Yeah, I've taken money off you.
42:54Have I asked you for the money?
42:55Yes, and you've given me it willingly to try and help me out.
42:58Like a mother should do.
42:59Guys, guys, can I bring this down one easy way, right?
43:02I don't, in any...
43:04I believe there's right and wrong on both sides.
43:06I completely understand what you're saying.
43:07I understand a bit where you're...
43:09I've got other children, though, tell me.
43:10No, but that was your choice, love.
43:11Yes, I know, but to be honest...
43:13Don't you think you should clear up the first...
43:15Yeah, but shouldn't you...
43:16You're as much responsibility to these ones as the ones you've now got, now you've turned your life around.
43:19Whether or not I'm an adult or not, I know I'm in control of my decisions, which is why I've come here today to try and move forward.
43:25Who rang the show?
43:26Not to actually look past me.
43:27Right, which says he wants a relationship, and you came because you did.
43:30So let's bring this down and listen to me.
43:31Let's take this for what it is.
43:34Yes, I'm sure you can look at her and feel the way you do.
43:36That is achievable.
43:37You can achieve anything because you both want the same thing.
43:39But what we have to do is, away from these cameras, with Graham's help, is deal with what you've gone through, what you want.
43:46I completely get it, mate, and I want...
43:51If you'd phoned our show and your mother hadn't turned up, then I'd be worried for you, but I'm not worried for you.
43:56I think you've both got to somehow acknowledge the past, acknowledge your mistakes, stop the point scoring.
44:03I think the world's your oyster, buddy.
44:05I have a really strange view of the world sometimes.
44:07Look at me, right?
44:08You talked about you played football, you talked about your mum and your dad and all that.
44:11You're 18 years of age, you can go and achieve anything.
44:13Get your head around this with our help.
44:15Build a relationship with your mother that suits you and go conquer the world.
44:20Because the world is full of people who sit around saying, and I'm not being harsh here,
44:23Oh, I had a terrible start.
44:25Oh, I haven't got this.
44:25I was homeless, Jeremy.
44:26It's all out there.
44:27I'm 53, mine's over.
44:28You've got 35 years on me.
44:30You see the people when they're homeless on the street, what do they do?
44:32They just sit there and beg for money.
44:34I played the piano in Central Station to enlighten people, and that's what I did.
44:38I learned from that, and I ended up playing.
44:40What do you want from today, my friend?
44:41To try and actually rebuild something.
44:44Obviously now I've got my own problems to worry about, but I'm not talking about now.
44:48Do you want to be part of that?
44:49Do you want the same, Miranda?
44:50I want a relationship with them.
44:53I always have to.
44:54Will you sit in mediation, the two of you, and do this properly?
44:56Yeah.
44:56Together, mother and son, yes?
44:58Yes?
44:59Maybe.
45:00No, he does need, don't you, mum?
45:03And I can't even believe I'm going to say this to a fourth.
45:04No, he needs a big hug.
45:05But do you know something?
45:07He won't.
45:07He pushes me away.
45:08Try it.
45:10Isn't that a hug?
45:10No.
45:11No, see?
45:11No.
45:12And I'm not.
45:13Because the damage is already done.
45:14Then there's no point in anybody trying to help you, mate, if you're going to live in the past.
45:17That was your mother offering an olive branch.
45:19Look at me.
45:20Because things will change overnight.
45:21Stop talking.
45:22If she starts proving, if she starts taking steps.
45:24She'll do it over, right, you see, this is where these people will just, stop spitting your dummy out.
45:30You can't ask for something and try and make it work and then say you don't like it, okay?
45:33We're going to either draw a line, everybody's going to admit what they've gone wrong and move forward, like she has,
45:37which is apparently what you want, or we're going to go around in circles.
45:40That was not the actions of an 18-year-old kid.
45:42There might be reasons for it, but she said, let's make a hug, let's go and get this started.
45:46No, not now.
45:47Well, because why should I show a fact to what she never has?
45:48Because you came here wanting to change, be mature, grow up, be different.
45:53You were in my house two days ago, Kevin.
45:57You were in my house two days ago, Kevin.
46:00Two days ago.
46:00Are you going to sit with your mother and sort this out with our help?
46:03Two days ago, have you contacted me ever since to see if I was okay?
46:06If I was on the streets, you know, Sophie has my number.
46:09You know, I've been homeless on the street.
46:10We are going around in circles.
46:12You are hurting.
46:13We can make this better.
46:14Your mother is here to try and make it better.
46:16Do you want that?
46:17Yes or no?
46:17Come on.
46:18Yeah?
46:19Give her a hug.
46:20Give me a hug, Kevin.
46:21My God, if I would give her a hug.
46:22You know something, you won't, you know, come in here and stand up and give me a hug.
46:26Try it.
46:26What's the point?
46:27What's the point of me being here today?
46:30Come on.
46:31Everybody wants to help you here.
46:33Everybody needs to help.
46:34You've got the, you've brought me here.
46:36First point of moving on is accepting the past for giving it, drawing a line.
46:41He never will.
46:41But you, he will.
46:45Do you want to?
46:46In time, yeah.
46:47Okay, all right.
46:48In time.
46:48That's fine.
46:49And you agreed to do this.
46:50Graham, we're going to, we're going to start this.
46:51Graham's got that, Graham's got that very, very wise grin on his face, which means he's
46:56going to sort this out in a heartbeat.
46:58I need to say to you, if you hold on to that resentment, how, how are you going to build
47:04that relationship?
47:05At some point, and it may be difficult, you have to forgive things that's happened, that
47:11have happened in the past.
47:13Which is what I'll do once I get myself financially stable and on the right track.
47:16Okay, but that's great.
47:17So that's something you can do in the future.
47:19But I want you to understand those points, that if you hold on to that resentment, all you're
47:24going to do is push someone away.
47:25If you can learn from experience that you can forgive, and forgive issues that have
47:32gone on in the past, then you bridge that gap.
47:35And then you can build a relationship.
47:38But there is no way you can build a relationship if all that you're looking for is revenge or
47:44resentment.
47:45There's no way you can build that bridge.
47:47So you, all the balls are in your court.
47:50If you really want this to work, then it's all about you.
47:53Do you want to start out today?
47:57Yeah?
47:58Do you want to start out?
47:59I'll ask the three of you to get our way to Graham.
48:01Give them a round of applause.
48:02Thank you for coming on.
48:04That's the point of the show, isn't it, my friends?
48:09You can't always resolve it here and now, but the aftercare team will work with them.
48:13They will meet in the middle.
48:13We will let you know.
48:14But I am, for this morning, out of time.
48:15If you want to be on this show, you need my help.
48:17Check us out, social media-wise.
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48:21But thank you so much indeed for watching.
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