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The Jeremy Kyle Show - 2nd January 2019
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00:10On today's show...
00:11You ever, ever badmouth my mum and dad again and I swear to God...
00:15Oh, that's a bit funny, isn't it, all the time?
00:16You're disgusting!
00:18You're disgusting! You don't know anything!
00:21That is supposed to be your dad to get a bit of specs.
00:25You've not sent us a birthday card!
00:27A Christmas card!
00:30A Christmas card!
00:31A Christmas card!
00:32A Christmas card!
00:33A Christmas card!
00:34Jaina and Sarah have a reputation of using men for money.
00:38Where was you when Paul was on his deathbed?
00:43Should I...
00:44No, I didn't see you!
00:45Where was you when he died, Scar?
00:47Who was around here?
00:48Who was there?
00:49Right around him!
00:50Right around him when he was in this bed!
00:53All shall be in!
00:54No way to the maker!
00:55All shall shut your mouth!
00:57Yeah!
00:58Yeah!
00:59Yeah!
01:00Yeah!
01:01Yeah!
01:02Yeah!
01:03Good morning and a very, very happy new year.
01:05Hope you had a fantastic holiday.
01:06Well, we're back today with a very special feuding family show...
01:08Where we'll be opening up the JK Vault to take a look back at some of our most explosive shows...
01:13Explosive shows before those brand new JK episodes hit your screens next week
01:16You don't want to miss them, but believe me you have a treat today first up was Abby
01:20She was here to confront her brother Richard and his wife Lisa. Take a look at this my friends
01:28Now Paul's your dad. Yeah, Richard's your half-brother because you share the same dad. Yeah, you're here today
01:34You say my brother. I only thought it is a Trump. I hate him
01:39What do you mean he's a champ? Don't I have to say he's got dirty teeth. He stinks
01:45He's sort his life out. He's never worked and then he's asking my dad for money quick question
01:51Why have you done a lie detector? Apparently I slept with my partner on there so far
01:56While I was there
01:58She says it's a bit rich you calling them dirty disgusting horrible tramps because you went to stay there once and she had to go to the
02:04Hospital because she was heavily pregnant and suffering problems
02:06And when they came back because you are so vile the house was trashed there were well this is I'm just I'm just repeating this
02:12I don't quite know how I'm going to put this in early morning speak, but as a result of
02:17Physical activity between you and your boyfriend. They're very nice Stouffer was
02:23Was marked it was
02:26Sorry her sofa wasn't nice in the first place
02:29I wouldn't even want to sleep with my boyfriend on it
02:31I always think it's quite weird when people say I slept with somebody because you don't actually sleep you stay awake
02:35I mean yeah, anyway
02:37So you're gonna pass that yeah, you're here today. He's abusing your father online isn't it a lot and demanding money
02:43Yeah, so for a grandchild that is never seen
02:47What does that mean?
02:49But it's all right for you to ask for money for are any
02:51Yes, you've been asking us
02:54To go visit people you want to see why are you it?
02:58I want them to leave us alone stop putting stuff on social media and leave my mum and dad alone
03:04Stuff it Lisa's on the Jeremy car show that way
03:06I want them to leave my mum and dad alone
03:08I want them to leave my mum and dad alone
03:10I want them to leave my mum and dad alone
03:12I want them to leave my mum and dad alone
03:14Stop bringing me here
03:15Be an adult
03:16Be an chatty
03:17Chatty
03:18Be an adult sit down
03:20Be an adult sit down
03:21I'm partially popping you tramps
03:23So are you
03:24Ooooo
03:25Ooooo
03:27Ooooo
03:28It's not going very well is it?
03:30Er, welcome to the show
03:32Er, so what's the story
03:33She's checked my house like a hotel
03:35She's saying we'll be calling
03:37Why was I at your house Lisa?
03:38Why was I at your house?
03:39Don't mention my children
03:40Why was I at your house?
03:42Why was I at your house?
03:44Why was I at your house?
03:45Why was I at your house?
03:46Why was I at your house?
03:47Do you want me to know?
03:48Why were you at the house?
03:49Because you asked me to come down for when Rebecca was born
03:51What happened when you got home?
03:52It's cut to the chase
03:53Well I got home
03:54Er
03:55Obviously
03:56What happened when you got home?
03:57There was plates on my living room side with fag parts on them
03:59Upstairs bedroom was disgusting with bottles and crisps all over my floor
04:03My sheets were dirty
04:04What do you mean your sheets were dirty?
04:05You didn't have any food for me to eat
04:06So I doubt that
04:07You had your own stuff
04:08I doubt that very much darling
04:09You had your own stuff
04:11You made an accusation that they'd had sex on your sofa
04:13How do you know that?
04:14And my bed as well
04:15There were stains on that bed
04:16How would I want to have sex on your sofa?
04:18Well you sleep around anyway
04:21You take drugs
04:22I don't know what you're saying
04:23She sleeps around
04:24Do you sleep around?
04:25No
04:26I've been with the same guy for nearly two years
04:28Yeah he's only with you to feel sorry for you
04:30Why is she saying that then?
04:31Why are you both sitting there huffing and puffing?
04:33I don't quite understand what we're doing here
04:34Deluded
04:35I just want them to go away
04:36You're here to protect your dad aren't you?
04:38My dad and my mum are not very well
04:40They are very ill
04:41Especially my mum
04:42Yeah
04:43And they put on Facebook is disgusting
04:45Why do you put that on
04:46I've not put nothing on Facebook
04:47She's gonna say I blocked you in a minute
04:49I've not put nothing on Facebook about your mum and dad
04:51At the end of the day it's not what to do with me
04:53Your mum and dad
04:54So why are you here then?
04:55Go
04:56You've never met my dad
04:57Why is she not wanting to meet your dad?
04:59Go
05:00It's not supposed to do with you is it
05:01Go
05:02I'm here to defend him
05:03No
05:04But you've never met my father
05:05You've never met my father and my father
05:07He's a what?
05:08He's a veto
05:09He's a veto
05:10Where's the police report?
05:12Who did he bait then?
05:13Rich's mum
05:14When he was four years old
05:15No
05:16And he's denying the whole thing
05:19So after the break
05:21More people involved in this family feud
05:23Plus those all important lie detector results
05:24Don't go anywhere
05:25Because I'm coming back in three
05:26That is supposed to be your dad
05:28Get a bit of sped
05:29You told my team
05:30He doesn't even deserve the title dad
05:33You've not sent us a birthday card
05:35A Christmas card
05:36Go on look at him
05:37He's an embarrassment to you isn't he?
05:39All I want to do
05:40Is just I want to know that my dad loves me
05:49The time is now!
06:09You think my job's normal?
06:11Listen!
06:12What the world did look terrible
06:22I am not a moron
06:23And I do not appreciate being treated like one
06:25He's a deceitful lion
06:27He's a f***
06:28No one believes that I'm getting a tattoo of Jeremy and Steve
06:32All you need to do is Dan will apologise for it
06:44He might Dan will blow up
06:45That's it!
06:46Welcome back to our special Feuding Families episode of the JK Show
07:01We're opening up the vault to look back at some of our biggest bust ups
07:04And don't forget all of this ahead of those fantastic brand new shows
07:08They kick off next Monday morning 9.25
07:10You don't want to miss them
07:11But before the break we were watching Abby and sister-in-law Lisa
07:14Next up was Abby's dad Paul
07:17Take a look at what happened my friends
07:18Open that vault!
07:23So you're here supporting your dad
07:24You say you've never met him
07:25But you've called him on national television a wife-beater
07:27Paul's on the Jeremy Carr show that way
07:38Who are you?
07:39I'm Richard Carter
07:40Why are you here?
07:41Defending me
07:42Jeremy and my family from Adam
07:43So why are you here?
07:44I want to know your family
07:45Are you a wife Peter?
07:46No, certainly not Jeremy
07:47You're saying to my team that you've never seen this granddaughter of yours
07:50No, no, no, no
07:51How old is she?
07:52She's 12...
07:53She's here in April
07:54Why...
07:55Why is he banned?
07:56Because you believe he's violent, right?
07:58Talk to me
07:59I don't really met her Jeremy
08:01This is the first time in my life I've seen her
08:03Surely his daughter who lives with him
08:05That's your granddaughter
08:07Yeah, that's Rebecca
08:08Yeah, that's her
08:09Yeah
08:10That's all I've seen
08:11Why are you stopping him from seeing her please?
08:13Can you help me out?
08:14He's a horrible person in my life
08:15Who told you?
08:16It didn't happen
08:17Well then why are you asking for money off him then?
08:19We're not
08:20Your boyfriend
08:21It's her asking her to
08:22You're a 30 pound
08:23No
08:2430 pound
08:25No
08:26I've got newspapers
08:27If I'm allowed my phone
08:28I'll get the message
08:29Let's get the person in the middle out
08:30Your brother Richard's on the Jeremy Kyle Show
08:31Give him a round of applause
08:39Why?
08:40Why do you this?
08:41Why?
08:42It's not me that's done this
08:43You boss is on here
08:44Because I'm sick of your
08:45What?
08:46You used to be my brother
08:47And that is supposed to be your dad
08:48Get a bit of
08:49respect
08:50You
08:51You
08:53You
08:54You
08:55You
08:56Hang on
08:57You look a state
08:58You look a state
08:59So what?
09:00I've got
09:01I work
09:02I earn money
09:03Where do you go?
09:04Doll
09:05Yeah?
09:06What is this all about?
09:07Truthfully your girlfriend's out here crying
09:08I know
09:09Jeremy
09:10I don't know
09:11Basically it all started off was
09:13Did your father abuse your mother?
09:15Well
09:16Yes or no?
09:17Yes
09:18You saw that did you?
09:19A statement from Sue
09:20That's your mother
09:21She says that when Paul and I split up
09:22He would come down and see the kids
09:24At no point did I ever stop him doing so
09:26I was married to Paul for 11 years
09:28When we were together he was at the pub every single night
09:30And I used to work to feed the children
09:32Paul has been violent to me in the past
09:34He's a violent nasty man
09:35That's your mother
09:36Your answer to that?
09:37Total untrue Jeremy
09:39Why did
09:40Why are you two not talking to each other?
09:43What's your problem with your dad?
09:45I've said I haven't got a problem with my dad
09:47It's her
09:48Why me?
09:49What?
09:50Because all the
09:51Because I still put for my father
09:52Because he doesn't let me
09:53You call my mum
09:54You need to go to the
09:56And then you're accusing us
09:57Saying that my dad was a kidly fiddler
09:59We've not once said that
10:00You can't say things like that
10:02It wasn't us it was a friend of ours on Facebook
10:04Who said it?
10:05Who was it?
10:06I can't say no name
10:07You told my team he doesn't even deserve the title dad
10:10And yet you sit on this stage saying you haven't got a problem with him
10:14I feel for the people that put this show together
10:16Because what are you supposed to think when you say one thing
10:19No that's what you said
10:21You said he whacked you with a belt buckle
10:23You said you saw him beat your mother
10:25I did
10:26And yet you sit there
10:27A man you say was never there for me emotionally
10:29He was no support
10:30You go I haven't got a problem with my dad
10:32Well how am I supposed to know what to do?
10:35I was trying to sort it out with my dad as far as
10:38When was the last time you had contact with your dad?
10:40It was
10:41Eight years ago
10:42Eight years ago
10:43You sat here saying
10:44We have been on Facebook video calling
10:46God I hate Facebook
10:47We was on video video calling
10:49I don't care
10:50What is this all about?
10:52She's defending her dad
10:53Your girlfriend's defending you
10:55Everybody's getting involved
10:57What is this about?
10:58That's what we need Rich
10:59This is you and him
11:00This is
11:01You know I've been trying to sort it out on my dad through video calls
11:04Well try now
11:05Forget video calls
11:06He's in the room
11:07Well then Abigail's getting involved in butting her nosing
11:09Because he's a father
11:10Yeah I understand that
11:11And you do not say disgusting things about my dad like that
11:12Yeah I understand that
11:13I'm sorry it's wrong but it's up to me
11:14No you don't say stuff like that about your dad
11:15No dad if you care about your dad you wouldn't do that
11:17And you would definitely not let earth slag him off either
11:19That is
11:20I understand
11:21I understand
11:22I understand
11:23I understand
11:24I understand
11:25I understand
11:26She doesn't know you from Adam
11:27I understand
11:29I understand
11:30She doesn't know you from Adam
11:31I understand what she's saying about me
11:32I understand that
11:33But what I'm saying
11:34The thing is
11:35You're jealous of mine
11:36Yes he is
11:37Because you've been there for her
11:38You haven't been there for him
11:39You cannot stand it
11:40Oi
11:41Oi
11:42So why don't you make that better rather than throw you in his face
11:44So that's the absolute
11:49What you just said is the root cause of the problem
11:51I completely agree
11:52What I can't understand
11:53What I can't understand is
11:54How come you've been there for them
11:55There you are
11:56And we've not been there
11:57Do you know how much you've earned it for us?
11:58Ame
11:59Ame
12:00Ame shut up
12:01Let him speak
12:02You've got to answer that
12:03All those years
12:04You've not sent us a birthday card
12:05A Christmas card
12:06A
12:07I write one of you one
12:08For the past 25 years
12:10You're the adult
12:11I've been trying to sort out
12:13No it's not about her
12:14It's about him
12:15Oi
12:16I've been trying
12:17To sort out
12:18With you
12:19And all I'm getting from you is
12:21Oh
12:22Where's my birthday card?
12:23That's all I wanted from you
12:25But I never
12:26Have I ever had any?
12:27Because you've got them
12:29You've always said
12:30You said to me once
12:31You said to me
12:32You said
12:33I'm happy with my wife
12:34And my other kids
12:35I don't need you in my life
12:36When have I said that?
12:37You told me that
12:38When have I said that?
12:39My mum saw it on Facebook
12:41Or Facebook again
12:42Yeah
12:43Can I ask you a question?
12:44Because you patently
12:45Don't want to answer the true question
12:46Which is what this story is about
12:48Whether or not he's behaved
12:50Badly
12:51For attention
12:52Whether or not his house isn't great
12:54Or you don't like his girlfriend
12:56The truth is
12:57Therein
12:58Shut up
12:59Okay
13:00Because therein has the moment
13:01This girl has had you all her life
13:03And naturally is defending you
13:04Because she knows you as a man
13:05Who's always been there
13:06This guy
13:07For whatever reason
13:08You have not been in his life
13:10As you were in hers
13:11And he is basically jealous
13:12Okay
13:13That is what we're talking about
13:14And you sit there
13:15And you go
13:16What?
13:17I didn't get any birthday cards
13:18You're the adult
13:19I know
13:20You're the dad
13:21And you could have done more for him
13:22Couldn't you?
13:23I wish you could
13:24You should have come out now
13:25Look
13:26I couldn't sit on Facebook then
13:27And then
13:28Abby it's not about you
13:29On Facebook
13:30It's about the two of them
13:31It's about my father
13:32That I've got respect for
13:33He's also his father
13:35Yeah
13:36But it's his father when it suits him
13:37I accept that
13:38But he's scoring points mate
13:40Stop
13:41Abby
13:42Abby
13:43Abby
13:44Abby can I ask you a question
13:45Would you be defending your father as much
13:46If you hadn't seen him in eight years
13:48If for example
13:49Hear me out
13:50Probably not
13:51But at least respect him
13:52Yes but you're not gonna respect what you haven't had
13:54Or something that doesn't treat you the same way
13:56He's jealous
13:57He lashes out
13:58He behaves inappropriately
13:59Or says and does wrong things
14:01Because he's desperate for this man's attention
14:03And he sits there and he won't give it to him
14:05It's about your dad
14:06Look at him
14:07The thing is Jeremy
14:08If I've
14:09Met Bill Bridges with him
14:11A relationship
14:12You were a drinker weren't you?
14:13I was yeah
14:14And you did beat the wife
14:15No I didn't
14:16No I didn't
14:17You did
14:18I did not
14:19Ok
14:20So you were out the pub every single night
14:21So you're not the Archangel Gabriel are you?
14:22Oh no nobody's a saint
14:23So where's your conscience that says
14:24My son is struggling
14:25My son is not in the great place
14:27Yes Abby your relationship with him is great
14:30And your other kids
14:31But this kid has missed out
14:32Where's the soul?
14:33Where's the humility that says
14:35That as a father
14:36I should try and do whatever
14:38Rather than lashing out and saying
14:40Your girlfriend's this
14:41Your life is that
14:42Maybe it's true
14:43But he's your son
14:44He's your blood
14:45I know he is
14:46He has no weapons of it
14:48Oh
14:49Why do you
14:50Why do you say
14:51I'm going to do this lie detector
14:53Which I think is ridiculous
14:55Because this just about sums up
14:56And I'm not being disrespectful
14:57But this sums up what
14:59Everybody's done
15:00Which is skirt around the main issue here
15:02Because it doesn't matter
15:03This was the accusation
15:04That you trashed their house
15:07When you went to stay
15:08Had sex on the sofa
15:10Oh lovely
15:11Did you have sexual intercourse with anyone
15:12Lisa's sofa
15:13When you stayed at her house last year
15:14Abby said no
15:15Abby was telling the truth
15:16Just see it over there
15:17Did we really ask you this?
15:25Did you perform a sex act
15:26With anyone on Lisa's sofa
15:27When you stayed at her house last year?
15:28No
15:29She was telling the truth
15:30On both questions
15:35Can you do me a favour?
15:37You need to say sorry
15:38I'm not apologising
15:39Until she apologises to me
15:41What calling me a child
15:42No
15:43No
15:44You go and salt love
15:45Because we're not
15:46You're as bad as her love
15:47Stop sulking
15:48You sit there
15:49Abby
15:50I appreciate you coming on
15:51Give her a round of applause
15:52Sit there
15:53Oi
15:54Sit there
15:55That's our name
15:56Can we use it?
15:57And that's your son?
15:58I know it is
15:59Well start treating him like your son
16:01I'm not
16:02Listen
16:03You're getting me wrong
16:04And you will help me
16:05And help the situation
16:06You have been a pain in the backside
16:08Haven't you?
16:09Have you done enough for him Rich?
16:11No
16:12I haven't
16:13No
16:14I admit that
16:15Why don't you start that as the opening gambit?
16:16I'm not a perfect father
16:17I know that
16:18No but you've done enough for Abby
16:19How do you look yourself in the mirror?
16:21I do the same for all of my four kids
16:23Oh yeah
16:24One's married
16:25The other three are with their mother
16:26But I do everything for those four kids
16:28How would I feel if I only did it for three of them?
16:31That's ridiculous
16:32He feels like you don't love him
16:34I love all my kids Jeremy
16:35When did you last tell him?
16:36Paul when did you last tell him that you loved him?
16:38When did you last put him in front of one of the girls?
16:40Go on look at him
16:41He's an embarrassment to you isn't he?
16:43Just admit it
16:44Am I an embarrassment?
16:45No!
16:46All I want to do
16:47Is just I want to know that my dad loves me
16:51So why was it on Facebook
16:53Dad listen to me
16:54Listen to me
16:55Listen to me
16:56Because people say things to get a reaction
16:57Dad listen to me
16:58Listen to me
16:59Listen to me
17:00The reason why I said what
17:01Was because Abby was texting me bad things
17:03Saying that I've got my dad
17:04I've got
17:05Oh that's all I want
17:06Do you know how much that makes me feel?
17:09Do you not want him in your life?
17:10If you don't want me in your life
17:11Do you not want him in your life?
17:12Do you not want him in your life?
17:13No I've got my
17:14What's going on?
17:15No I don't Jeremy
17:16I'm sorry but I don't
17:17You don't want me in your life?
17:19It's gone too far Jeremy
17:24I'm sorry but
17:25Because if we
17:26We're having a relationship again now
17:28In a couple of months
17:29We'll be back to square one with him
17:31Putting things on social media
17:34And telling lies
17:36How old are you?
17:3763 this year
17:38I promise you one thing that will happen to you
17:40Not today
17:41Not tomorrow
17:43But one day you'll be sat somewhere on your own
17:46When either your wife has passed on
17:48Or your kids who have moved on
17:50And aunt is dependent
17:51And you'll regret what you just said
17:53But you won't think that now
17:54You go back into the bosom of your family
17:56If I was a father
17:57And I was looking at that screen
17:59I would move heaven and earth
18:01To make his life better
18:03And shame on you
18:04You do exactly what you want
18:07I'm not
18:09I'm not actually
18:10I'm not even going to shout
18:12You go and do exactly what you want
18:13Because in the end
18:14You will be a sad, lonely, bitter old man
18:17Thank you
18:23Can I say something?
18:24Thanks Jay
18:25Can I say something?
18:26Um
18:27That didn't go how I thought it was going to go
18:30Look at me
18:31It's very easy
18:32In a society that we live in
18:33To judge people for
18:34The wrong reasons
18:36What I want us to do
18:38Is show you that you've got
18:39A girlfriend
18:40And a life
18:41And that you don't need
18:42Such negativity
18:43I've got my beautiful kids to think about
18:44That's all I need in my life
18:45Look at me
18:46And shall I tell you what you need to do
18:47And despite the problems you've had
18:49And the difficulties you face
18:50I know that you'll probably be a far better dad
18:52Than he's ever been
18:53I will be
18:54I've
18:55I'm always supporting my own people
18:56Sorry
18:57Okay
18:58We're going to work with you
18:59But listen
19:00You get nothing from
19:02You know
19:03She was stood there in the arch
19:04She was saying
19:05Come on daddy
19:06They'll be fine
19:07He will regret what he just said
19:08But you know
19:09From my point of view
19:10In terms of dignity
19:11You would be far better off
19:12Not
19:13Retaliating on Facebook
19:14Or saying
19:15Or doing things
19:16Well work with us
19:17Get strong
19:18Bring up your kid
19:19Love your lady
19:20Sodom is basically what I'm saying
19:21That's basically what you're saying
19:22Definitely
19:23And like I said
19:24You know
19:25My daughter
19:26She needs everything to me
19:27Do you know what I mean?
19:28And I've got this other one
19:29And the way
19:30I'm just going to be focusing on them now
19:31They have everything to me
19:32And then they've got my family
19:33I've got my
19:34I'll finish by saying this
19:35You're a better man than him
19:36Look after him G
19:37Thanks very much
19:38Thank you very much
19:40Now after the break
19:41A woman who confronted
19:42Two of my
19:43Well frankly
19:44Angriest guests ever
19:45We got more from the JK Vault
19:46It's right after this break
19:47We're coming right back
19:48Where was you
19:50When Paul was on his deathbed?
19:52He was like
19:53No I didn't see you
19:54Where was you
19:55When he got
19:56Who was around him?
19:57Who was there?
19:58Right around him
19:59Right around him
20:00Right around him
20:01When he was in his bed
20:02Who shot him?
20:03You were a demon maker
20:04Who shot your mouth?
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21:00It's Carolyn
21:01Who came on this show to confront a deceased brother's ex-gayner
21:04And Gayner's daughter Sarah
21:06This was some show
21:07Take a look at this my friends
21:08Before we start
21:12Yeah
21:13You watch that show
21:14Yes
21:15You went, hold on a minute
21:16That's exactly what they did to my brother
21:18Yeah
21:19They painted this great picture that they were protecting Gareth
21:22I'm gonna read a statement from Gareth
21:24This is a man they were on protecting against his own daughter
21:28Who was very nervous and I felt quite sorry for
21:30Gayner and Sarah have a reputation of using men for money
21:34When they were caring for me
21:36Sarah would spend my money on drugs
21:38And use the house as a brothel bringing various men round every night
21:42They didn't look after me
21:44They didn't feed me or help me with the housework
21:46And they used to throw things at me when they were angry
21:49In the end
21:50I left in the middle of
21:52Get away from them
21:53I never want to see or hear from them again
21:56They are evil
21:57Get rid of their picture
21:58That is exactly what you're saying happened to your brother Paul
22:02Tell me more
22:03Gayner would ask him to go and get a providence loan
22:05And they'd go half each
22:06And she would pay half with Paul
22:08She failed
22:09She'd put her mobile phones in to hawk
22:11And then she'd say to Paul
22:12Will you get the phones out?
22:13How long were they married for?
22:14Only a couple of months
22:15Sarah then would want her nails done
22:17Or they'd phone him early out of the morning
22:19Bearing in mind my brother had open heart surgery
22:21And he was ill
22:23And
22:28So they stole my brother's benefits
22:30His life insurance
22:31They got loans out in his name
22:33You say that they're both benefits cheats
22:36Well yeah because I would like to know
22:38How can Gayner keep her house on
22:40As a single woman
22:41Be married to my brother
22:42And when my brother died
22:43How could she move back into the flat
22:45That she should have legally given up
22:47Because she was legally married to my brother
22:49She splashed all over social media
22:51With her wedding dress
22:52And the big wedding
22:53Didn't she sell all his possessions on Facebook?
22:55Yeah
22:56His fishing rod
22:57His gold
22:58His all his Elvis collection
23:00So they've both got big mouths
23:01Yeah
23:02Gayner marries men
23:03And like a black widow
23:04Sucks the life out of them
23:05And then dumps them
23:06Yeah
23:07Her daughter smokes too much wacky backy
23:09And she's worse than her mum
23:11But I am not
23:12And this is the point that I wanted to make
23:13They're very loud
23:14Yeah
23:15And on the last show
23:16By anybody's standards
23:17That poor girl was sat there like that
23:19Yeah
23:20You describe yourself as
23:21I'm the Welsh dragon
23:22I'm not scared
23:23Is that right?
23:24Yeah well I say
23:25It's the Welsh dragon against the devil
23:26See I don't like bullies
23:27I don't like thieves
23:28I don't like compulsive liars
23:29No
23:30And today
23:31I am here
23:32In my brother's memory
23:33And I am here
23:34I'm gonna put this straight
23:35Because these two women
23:36However loud they shout at me
23:38They need to explain why I've seen them dead
23:40That Gareth bloke has done a runner
23:42That's his statement to us
23:43Yeah
23:44They took advantage
23:45Now that girl couldn't answer
23:46You say you can
23:47Yeah
23:48Are you ready?
23:49I am
23:50I think you might be
23:51Gayner's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
23:56Where was you when Paul was on his deathbed?
23:59Should I
24:00No way to be seen
24:02Should I have been?
24:03Where was you when he died, Cara?
24:05Should I have been there?
24:06Should I have been there?
24:07Where?
24:08Where was he?
24:09Oh
24:10Where was he, Cara?
24:11Do you want a bit of fix the dent?
24:13I got some in my back
24:14But where was you when Paul died?
24:19No way to be seen
24:21Should I have been there then?
24:23Yes
24:24Because he jumped
24:25You're coming out here and you're doing what I knew you'd do
24:27Which is shouting and swearing and dropping down in people's estimations
24:31You've delivered the same line you delivered to the scared blonde girl last time
24:35Where were you?
24:36They don't care
24:37Gareth has done a midnight flit from you and your daughter and says you abused him
24:41She says you did the same to her brother
24:44You've got to answer that
24:45I never ever, Jeremy, abused my late husband
24:49But then
24:50I love that man
24:51But then why are two husbands, men, families of these things saying that your behaviour is identical, Gaina?
24:58I love that man
24:59Did you send his possessions online?
25:01Yeah, to pay for it is Phil Ravitton still paying for now
25:07And it's nearly two years, it'll be two years next week
25:10Let me put to you what Gareth said
25:12He said Gaina and Sarah have a reputation of using men for money
25:15When they were caring for me, Sarah would spend my money on drugs and use the house as a brothel bringing various men round every night
25:23That's what he said
25:24Nobody coerced him into saying that
25:26She didn't coerce him, we didn't
25:28He gave us that
25:29He gave us that
25:30He said that you threw things at him, you bullied him, that's what he said
25:33We were playing for God's sake
25:36But playing for a man that is ill
25:38A man that is ill
25:39A man that is ill
25:40He was seriously ill, what are you doing throwing things at a seriously ill guy for?
25:43Because that's how sick they are
25:45He did
25:47He liked what?
25:50He liked us throwing things at him
25:52So you didn't use Gareth?
25:56I never used Gareth
25:58You didn't use Paul
26:00No I did not
26:01I loved that man
26:02And this woman is on here, why?
26:05What would she get from this?
26:07This is what I don't understand
26:08Because apparently I suppose have stolen money off my late husband
26:12But you did
26:13No!
26:14Why wouldn't you take a lie detector test then Gayna?
26:16Because you told the staff that
26:18Why should I?
26:19Why should I turn round?
26:21And do a lie detector test?
26:23Because you know that you'll be sure
26:24Because my
26:25Because my
26:26This is husband
26:27And then
26:28Benefit Cheat
26:29You say
26:30I don't care how quiet I speak
26:31I'm the Welsh dragon
26:32Because this one's got a mouth on it
26:33Are you alright with that?
26:34Well it's the dragon against the devil innit?
26:36Right the devil's there in her words
26:38He's on the car show that way
26:39Do you miss me now girl right?
26:45Let me tell you something now right?
26:47When your brother
26:48Right?
26:49When your brother
26:50Was in
26:51Attensive cave
26:52Don't
26:53Smoking me girl
26:54Cause I'll slap him right in her face
26:55Oh my god
26:56Who was the one?
26:57Who was there?
26:58Right?
26:59Around him
27:00Right?
27:01Around him
27:02When he was in his bed
27:03Oh giant
27:04You weren't even there car
27:05Oh so shut your mouth
27:06Who stopped his biological children going there then?
27:09That was his permission
27:11To text his kids
27:12Yes it was
27:13You don't regard us children
27:15Stop them
27:16Let's bring it back Sarah
27:17Sit down
27:18You're only going there
27:19To give him that love
27:20That's all you are for
27:22Money money money money
27:23Men
27:24It's a bit rich from you isn't it?
27:25Not ages
27:26Well it must be
27:27Because Gareth did
27:28A statement which says
27:31He had to run in the middle of the night
27:33That you used the house like a brothel
27:35And that you both used men for money
27:37I'm just telling you what he said
27:39And then we've got her saying
27:40You did exactly the same
27:41No absolutely
27:42So why are they both saying it?
27:44Help me out
27:45Rather than coming out here
27:46Because they both take a
27:48Devoilism
27:49I take a lady check the test
27:50That's all the other
27:51Why should she take a lady check the test?
27:53Why?
27:54Why should she?
27:55Because she is a devoted loving woman
27:57To your brother
27:58This woman says
28:00That you two use men for money
28:02I wish
28:03Her brother
28:04I wish
28:05Why did Gareth run away then?
28:06I'm waiting for
28:07That's it
28:08Because he is a fight
28:09Why did he run away?
28:10Because
28:11He didn't like the fact
28:12That I was looking after him
28:13And telling him
28:14That he needed
28:15You bullied that girl
28:16On the last show you two
28:17She didn't get a word in the last Waits
28:18моей
28:19How did she get, because
28:20Right
28:21Good
28:22Good
28:23Good
28:24Good
28:25Good
28:26Good
28:28Good
28:29Good
28:30Good
28:31Good
28:32Good
28:33Good
28:35Good
28:36Good
28:37Good
28:40Good
28:41Good
28:43Good
28:44You've had your say, right? You've had your say. Now it's about time, me and my mother had hours of day now.
28:51Well, crack on!
28:52Do you have to get up, sit down and talk?
28:55Yeah, because I'm sick of you bringing up so much shit, I have never heard!
29:00It is the truth!
29:01It's not the truth!
29:02Can I detect a test then?
29:03It's not the truth!
29:04Can I detect a test then?
29:05Can I detect a test then?
29:06Can I detect a test then?
29:07Can I detect a test then?
29:09You're so happy I'm going to slap you when I touch all of you.
29:14You don't care at all, do you?
29:16Come on, I love you, come with me, I absolutely adore you, I think you're amazing.
29:21She's crying now.
29:23Why, why are you crying?
29:28It's okay.
29:29Why are you crying?
29:30Because I miss you a brother so much and I left him!
29:35Get away from your car, because I swear to God!
29:37You're not a car going to get into trouble!
29:39There's no cheese in your eyes!
29:42She's got his own money!
29:43She's got his own bank card!
29:44He's got his own bank card!
29:45He's got his own bank card!
29:46Oh!
29:47Paul has!
29:48You're my brother!
29:49Paul's dead!
29:50Well obviously, because she's still got his bank card you've sick!
29:55I swear she's still got his bank card!
29:57Do you think that's fair do you?
29:59Do you think that's fair?
30:00When his bank card, when his actual bank account is gone, let's live!
30:03Sarah!
30:04Sarah!
30:05Sarah!
30:06I don't know what to believe, but I'll tell you what, I'm keeping quiet for a reason,
30:08because the more you shout and scream and swear and this lady with dignity just says her
30:11point, the world will work out the truth!
30:13Dignity!
30:14Dignity!
30:15Dignity!
30:16Look at that!
30:17The problem is to live!
30:18We both work this way!
30:19We do it!
30:20We don't do that, so come on!
30:22Please do that!
30:23They just look up!
30:24No!
30:25You will be, will I?
30:26So you're now threatening to what did you say?
30:28Don't threaten say...
30:29Get it out of my face then!
30:30Oh don't threaten on camera, you'll be prosecuted you again!
30:32I ain't gonna have to have your face!
30:33I don't say!
30:34Get it out of my face then!
30:35Cimbabag yet!
30:36You've got to go on, sir, two men are saying exactly the same.
30:41Neither of you, in between shouting and screaming and flouncing,
30:45answer me why two men would say the same.
30:46It's not a fool, take her out of the equation.
30:48Gareth and your ex-husband both think that you two are monipotent liars
30:51who took advantage of you, please explain to me.
30:54How does that happen?
30:55How does it happen?
30:57All right, more point to you, then.
30:58It's not her, then.
30:58How can you say two men when one is deceased and one is alive?
31:01More to the point.
31:02So Paul never said that, then?
31:04So she's making that up.
31:05How can Paul say that?
31:06Oh, well, he's been dead, too, yes.
31:07Did Paul say that to you, what they were like?
31:09Oh, yes, or...
31:09Yeah, yeah.
31:10Sure.
31:10My brother being vulnerable.
31:12Yeah, we will.
31:12My brother being vulnerable as he is, because...
31:14Vulnerable?
31:15You're not going to do this.
31:15Because my mother's vulnerable.
31:17Hold on a second.
31:17If he was vulnerable, why...
31:19My mother, I said...
31:20More craftier than a shed full of cow and coyotes, let me tell you.
31:24You're a tramp.
31:25Oh, well, it takes one to know one, love.
31:27And at the end of the day, I was born behind a cake shop, tart, bone and bread.
31:31But like my mother said, they sell more than tarts in a cake shop.
31:34Okay, so when Victoria's Buns don't cut it.
31:36Don't worry about my...
31:37Don't worry about it.
31:37Can I ask you a question?
31:38Victoria's Buns, tarts, I'm confused.
31:40Don't worry about it.
31:41I'm...
31:41Can I ask you a question?
31:44See, Jeremy, we tried for years to get Paul from Gaynor.
31:47Well, why didn't you and your sisters get in my way?
31:49Why didn't you in the beginning then?
31:51We tried, but Paul needed you.
31:53Yeah, because he loved me.
31:54And you...
31:55Paul needed you.
31:56Paul needed you.
31:58You only loved him for whatever money.
32:00All right, but hold on one second.
32:01Would Paul not have said, I want to leave and come to his sisters?
32:06He stayed with her.
32:07I was down to you and I said to you that.
32:09He's not your dad.
32:09They were on and off, on and off.
32:11Right?
32:12And then Paul then was on his own.
32:14He was vulnerable.
32:15He had nobody there.
32:16So he would go back with Gaynor.
32:17Then they would have a row.
32:18But the facts are he stayed with her until he died.
32:21The facts are you and the sisters...
32:22Can I...
32:23Yeah.
32:24Fact are...
32:24It wasn't only me that died in there with Paul.
32:27They're blaming me for where was I with my brother when he was dying.
32:29Well, where was my sister then?
32:31They were...
32:32But you stayed with her.
32:33You've not done well.
32:35I can't walk long for long distances.
32:38But the facts are Paul stayed with them, right?
32:40Well, yes.
32:40Yes, he did.
32:41There we go.
32:42But at the end of the day, when my sister received the phone call and I said, what's the matter?
32:46Because her face dropped.
32:47She said, oh, Paul's off.
32:48Somebody's taking money out of his wallet.
32:50So I said, oh, how much is them?
32:51She's 20 pounds.
32:52So I said, right.
32:54So then when I watched your show that day and I saw them attacking that young girl, I'd never met that girl.
32:58Young girl, you...
32:59The father left.
33:00So I don't know what you were on about.
33:01Do you want to do it?
33:02She'll be on a...
33:03Some type of...
33:04Hang on a minute.
33:05Hang on.
33:05Don't tax it.
33:06And told me that he slept with you.
33:08So hang on a minute.
33:10I'm going to see a message.
33:11No, I am.
33:12Honestly, no.
33:12I will do a lie detector first on that.
33:14So the one you were with after being with her brother and the daughter you were having a go at could be your daughter because you were sleeping with Gareth as well.
33:21Yep.
33:21Well, no.
33:22God, my life's confusing.
33:24I can do a lie detector.
33:25What do you expect?
33:26All right, calm.
33:27What do you expect to get from this?
33:28Well, to expose these for the benefit thief that Gaynor is because she has fiddled the benefits and there's too much benefit thieves going on.
33:34So Jeremy, when you get married to someone, do you obviously give up your house, right?
33:39I said to you that when Paul was f***ing you, before I said to you on the stage, before Paul went to Peniel, I was going to take him down there.
33:55And we make a claim that you deserve.
33:59But then all of a sudden, Paul went really ill, Kat.
34:02Right, can I just.
34:03You was going to take him down there.
34:05And I was going to take him down there.
34:05My flat.
34:06We are going to go.
34:07I was going to take him up the flat.
34:08But you was mad at him.
34:08We are going to go round in circles.
34:10You came.
34:11That's what she does.
34:12Hold on.
34:12You came here today to expose them, right?
34:14And I think I'm done now.
34:15Are you sleeping with Gareth?
34:17No, and I will take a lie detector test.
34:18Are you on that?
34:19Why did you come here today?
34:22Well, because she brought us here.
34:24Yeah.
34:25And what's your end point today?
34:27What do you think?
34:27End point would be, let me see.
34:32Stop bringing up trouble.
34:34Stop stirring.
34:35Right.
34:36Stop.
34:36Shut up.
34:37And stop bringing my dead husband into it.
34:39I'm a nicker.
34:39Stop making threats, Sarah, because you're going to get in trouble.
34:42Because if she can go round, threatening other people as well, who have had, you know what I mean, right?
34:47You know personally, right, Jess?
34:49Yeah.
34:50Yeah, and it is through carcasses.
34:52I'm going through it again.
34:54No.
34:55Yes.
34:55Do you know what they say?
34:57What goes around karma is a very strong thing.
34:59Boy, you wish.
35:00Just your karma, look.
35:01Am I?
35:01Am I?
35:02Would it be a, would it not just be a good idea, if, hold on, would it not be a good idea if
35:08everybody has stayed out of everybody else's way?
35:10But, I've been doing it for the last seven years, Jess.
35:12She's been doing it for the last two years.
35:14She's the one who's doing it for the last two years.
35:14She's the one who's doing it for the last two years.
35:15She's the one who's doing it for the last two years.
35:16I've kept myself away for seven years.
35:18She's kept herself away from her for two years.
35:21So, hang on a minute.
35:22Where did it all come from?
35:23You're the one who's brought it all up car.
35:25I'm here.
35:25Nobody else.
35:26Nobody else.
35:27Because you think you can go around bullying and manipulating people.
35:30Oh, my half-leaves, but guess what?
35:32You're rotten, my lad.
35:33Tell me something.
35:33I know you're bullying.
35:35You are gay.
35:36No, we're not going to get anywhere.
35:37You're going that way.
35:39You're staying there.
35:39So, when you come back after this break, a mother and son at war.
35:45More feuding families coming up on the JK Show.
35:47See you in three.
35:48I remember the day I was taken into care.
35:51I was driven away as my mum hid behind a window.
35:54Yes.
35:55Do you think you could have done things better?
35:57Yeah, I wish she had to do what I did.
35:58You can't look at your mum.
36:00No.
36:00Why?
36:02She's not, is she, really?
36:04I'd actually have them if you couldn't handle them.
36:06It was.
36:07Don't even dare say that.
36:19Welcome back to the final part today of this special Feuding Families Vault show,
36:23where we're looking back at some of our strongest stories of 2018
36:25before we kick off this year, 2019, with a bang, brand new show.
36:29We'll start next Monday morning at 9.25.
36:32Now, next up today, we're looking back at a mother and son
36:34who, quite literally, my friends, were at war.
36:37Take a look at this.
36:42Betty, how are you?
36:44Oh, I'm trying to say.
36:45Hey, thanks.
36:46What's the matter?
36:48Why are you here?
36:49Because I want to see Christopher.
36:51When was the last time you saw Chris?
36:53He's 32.
36:53Sit back, my darling.
36:54When was the last time you saw him?
36:5711 years ago, for about 10 minutes.
36:59And then before then, when he was 16.
37:04Um, you say I miss him dearly.
37:06I regret putting him into care.
37:08What age did you put him into care?
37:10The first time he went was when he was about 12.
37:13Why?
37:13He was constantly fighting, really serious, violent fighting,
37:17and damaging property.
37:19And I'd gone to doctors and I'd asked if I could have some sort of help with him.
37:26And they said, no, you need to see a social worker.
37:29The one thing that I always say, and Graham knows this,
37:32is that the world back then was a very different place.
37:35But unfortunately what happens is the impact of those decisions come back to bite you.
37:39You say, I wish I'd done more.
37:42Let's cut to the chase.
37:43Let's not talk about why you did it.
37:44What could you have done differently?
37:45Well, he had a lot of problems and they got me down, made me depressed.
37:52And on top of that, there was a problem with my kids.
37:55But it was relationships.
37:56I mean, he's, I, babe, this is a massive day for you.
38:01But I'm also, you know, honest enough to tell you that I'm sure there will be things he wants to know.
38:07And it would be very unfair for us as a show, I hope Graham agrees, to go,
38:12oh, there's your son Chris, you haven't seen him for 11 years, that's lovely.
38:15Because he's a bag of anger, in a way.
38:17Not in a nasty way, but the guy says, she picked men over us.
38:22She didn't bother with us when we went into care.
38:25I mean, his top line is, I've never heard a single word about my dad.
38:28Every time I ask my mum, I've heard nothing.
38:29Now, if you think that it's just going to be dropped in your lap, it's not going to happen.
38:33No, no chance, no, no.
38:34You think you could have done things better?
38:35I used to blame Christopher.
38:37Do you think you could have done things better?
38:38Yeah, I'm ashamed of what I did.
38:39Let me, if I can, go, talk to him, and then I'll bring you out.
38:44But that's lovely to hear, because I've always said about, you know, on the show,
38:48if you want to put something right, you can, but you've got to put your hands in the air.
38:51Fair play to you for coming.
38:53Give a round of applause.
38:53You stay there with Graham.
38:59Ladies and gentlemen, give him a round of applause.
39:04Chris is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
39:13How are you?
39:14Yeah.
39:14Did you hear that line?
39:15Yes.
39:17Um, how does that feel?
39:20Let's start with that.
39:21I'm ashamed of what I did.
39:24Can't say.
39:25No words.
39:26Just...
39:27Good to hear?
39:27Confusing.
39:31Why?
39:32It's been so many years.
39:36I remember the day I was taken into care.
39:38I was driven away as my mum hid behind a window.
39:41Yes.
39:42How old were you?
39:44About eight.
39:46I am willing to hear what mum has to say today, but there's so many things I want to ask.
39:52What?
39:53Just who my father is.
39:56You don't know?
39:56No.
39:58And I just...
40:01We never got spoken to about, like, our father.
40:06It was just, this is your life.
40:09What's it like when you see your mother on that camera now?
40:11Do you feel that she's milking it, or do you think she's being honest?
40:14I couldn't look at her.
40:15Why?
40:16Just...
40:17If she meant it, where's she been for the last ten centuries?
40:24She has...
40:25One thing, it's not as easy as the Jeremy Carr show.
40:29You know, there's an awful lot of work that goes in that people do not see.
40:33This lady has some health issues, and, you know, I can only say in her defence, she's been in touch with us and is desperate to put this right.
40:40Now, maybe the lights come on, maybe she doesn't have long left, maybe she fears for her health and thinks that she needs to do that, but she has made the effort, is what I'm saying.
40:51Can we, can we get, um...
40:53Actually, we're gonna, are you alright to go with me to her, is that okay?
40:56Yeah.
40:57Sure?
40:57Yeah.
40:58Give me a round of applause, top man who is.
40:59You're alright?
41:00I'm not just a kid, but you're going to go down this way, alright?
41:04I've spent my entire life walking around, I don't even know why I have a set anymore.
41:08I'm not quite fit doing this job.
41:10Eleven years, you haven't seen your mum, no?
41:13You okay?
41:13Half least, yeah.
41:16Right?
41:17Yeah.
41:17Come on, after you.
41:18Now, after you.
41:19Sure?
41:19Yeah.
41:23Chris, I'm sorry for everything.
41:31I just want to know who my father is.
41:34I've got it all in it, yeah.
41:35And that's the only thing, that's the only reason I've come to this show.
41:45Christopher, when you wrote this note, and saying that you weren't coming to, you didn't want anything to do with me,
41:51and you left when you were 16.
41:53I don't remember that.
41:55Yeah, it's lucky, it's actually a nickname, remember?
41:59Yeah.
41:59I blamed you for things, and I regretted it, and I found out it wasn't you, but I couldn't get in touch with you, because I didn't know where he was.
42:10Why has it taken you 32 years to tell your son who his father is?
42:14I've told him before.
42:16He didn't know before.
42:18Did you know?
42:19No.
42:19I didn't write it all down, but I did tell him, and I told him that.
42:24Now, you already know this.
42:25You know that?
42:26His name.
42:28Aged about.
42:29Okay, listen to me.
42:30I was under the impression he's married, which was more of an affair, like you two had.
42:35Was he married?
42:36Two children.
42:37Yeah.
42:37This is what.
42:38Was it an affair?
42:39No, he was separated, so to me it wasn't an affair.
42:43You can't look at your mum.
42:44No.
42:45Why?
42:46She's not, is she, really?
42:49You, as in and out of care.
42:52Yeah, but.
42:53Keep sending back.
42:54Oh, let's have him back.
42:55Yeah, but.
42:55Let's send him back.
42:56Oh, actually, I'll have him.
42:58Let's send him back.
42:59No, actually, I'll have him.
42:59It wasn't like that.
43:00I'm not a toy.
43:01I'm not a dog to you.
43:03Christopher, it wasn't like that.
43:05Why did you have them if you couldn't handle them?
43:07There was, it was.
43:08Don't even dare say that.
43:10No, but that's what.
43:11Don't even dare say that.
43:12That's what he's thinking.
43:13I'm not against you.
43:15He just said.
43:16There was balance.
43:17Take it.
43:18There was damage.
43:20Me health was suffering.
43:22Graham, one of the things, can I just say, because I said to this lady, fair play, and she does have health issues, and I, I can see both sides, but I, and things don't happen instantly.
43:32You know that, and you know that, and that's what you come in for.
43:35Whilst we understand his frustration, whilst we've made the point the world was a different place, is not the common ground here that they're both here, and whatever has happened, that says something, doesn't it, Jay?
43:45Yeah, and it gives you an opportunity to have that discussion with each other.
43:50And that can be done in private, but it also means that you want that.
43:56You want to have that discussion with your mum.
43:58You want those questions answered.
44:00Similarly to the question that you asked earlier, and that one was, who is my dad?
44:05Now, she's answered that.
44:06Do you want that to, that process to go forward?
44:09Because I do, I absolutely get where you're coming from, you know, that you were in and out of care, and as a result of that, you're still very angry, and I totally get that, and I totally understand that, okay?
44:20And as a result of that, you built up this huge resentment towards your mum.
44:24And before we can move this forward, we have to deal with that, okay?
44:29We have to deal with that.
44:31But the point is, for whatever reason, as I said to your son on the stage, be it your health, be it your time of life, whatever, and I have to take both sides, now you're ready.
44:43One of his big gripes is that you weren't ready when he needed it, and now I guess he feels, do you, that suddenly you're saying, which is great of you to come and do it, but it's all a bit on your terms.
44:54Does that make, do you understand where I'm coming from?
44:55I've, I've, I've, I've realised that the things that I'd accused Christopher of, there's no way he did, and I didn't find that out till, till after Christopher had left me that note saying he was going.
45:10I didn't know where he was.
45:12I'd seen you at fair, hadn't I, when I was, I saw you at old fair when he was working there, and I tried to talk to you, I've said aye, and he didn't want to know which, which was understandable.
45:24And I'd seen you a couple of times in the street, and you didn't want to talk to me, you ignored me.
45:30And then next minute I knew people said that you'd been getting into trouble, and you'd been punished for it.
45:37And I thought that was because of me, because of the way I'd treat you, put you in care.
45:44And feel guilty.
45:45And very, yeah, very.
45:47She didn't have to come and say that, did she?
45:49And I tell you, I absolutely make that point.
45:52She did not have to come and say that.
45:55Yeah, but he's, he's suffered because.
45:59Of my actions, not your actions, my actions.
46:01Yeah, but, yeah, but I got it wrong.
46:04I got it wrong.
46:05I told you about.
46:06He's not blaming you, he's saying he made mistakes.
46:08All I'm saying is, if I played you what you've both just said from ten minutes ago, can't look at her, mum, it wasn't just your actions, it was what I did as well.
46:16You saying, I realised I blamed him for stuff in the past that actually he wasn't responsible for.
46:21So that is a great start.
46:23And, as I was saying, because you both want to do this, the wrong thing to do with these parts would be to imagine or assume it's going to be a bed of roses in everybody's lovely.
46:32Because there's a lot of anger.
46:34And Graham said, you understand that.
46:36But is there not common ground here?
46:39It depends.
46:40He holds all the cards here.
46:43He really does.
46:44But, as I said before, you know, I get where you're coming from.
46:46I absolutely get it.
46:47And, what your mum is saying to you is that she made mistakes.
46:52Can you forgive those mistakes?
46:53That's going to be massively important in the child that we have after this programme.
46:57Okay?
46:57She genuinely says, I made mistakes, parenting this child.
47:01But, the question remains, do you want a relationship with your mum?
47:08As we stand, no.
47:10Okay.
47:10It's, I just, it's, you don't put someone into care, then take them back, then pull them back.
47:17Then take them back.
47:19If you can't deal with them.
47:20Have you ever made mistakes?
47:21Yeah.
47:22Can you just at least, because I have to wrap, and I know, it's up to you, but this man's really good at this.
47:28Even if at the end of your conversation there's no common ground, I think it would be a mistake to leave Manchester, having come this far, and not actually investigate that.
47:37I was honest with you, you didn't like it at one point.
47:39I don't think it's just a case of turning up.
47:41I think there's a lot of deep-seated problems.
47:43But just continue this for a while and see if you get any word.
47:46I admire the fact you've come on, but I also think it's important that you understand, because I know you do the, just because you're ready to get sorted, there's a lot that's happened in the past.
47:56I've been trying since he went to get in contact and explain things, but I couldn't have found, I couldn't find you where he was.
48:03Listen, I'm going to leave you with Graham, all right?
48:08That's how much you tried, though.
48:10No, I didn't know, because...
48:12Whatever you do when you leave here, you should be able to look yourself in the mirror and say, I gave it my best shot, or there's too much water under the bridge, all right?
48:18Really nice to meet you.
48:18Leave me with Graham.
48:19Give him a round of applause.
48:20That is all for this morning, my friends.
48:26Thank you for watching, and don't forget, next Monday morning, 9.25, those brand new JK shows kick off.
48:32All the usual favourites, Lie Detectors, DNA, plus Kyle House.
48:35This is a special show featuring one of our most notorious families ever.
48:40You do not want to miss anything.
48:41January's going to be an amazing month.
48:43We'll see you tomorrow morning.
48:44Take care.
48:44Bye-bye for now.
49:14Bye-bye.