- 6/22/2025
Adam Scott ('Severance'), Cooper Koch ('Monsters: The Lyle and Erik Menendez Story'), Diego Luna ('Andor,' 'La Máquina'), Eddie Redmayne ('The Day of the Jackal'), Jeffrey Wright ('The Agency,' 'The Last of Us') and Walton Goggins ('The White Lotus.' 'The Righteous Gemstones') join THR in Off Script With The Hollywood Reporter.
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00:00I think the perception of me, at least this is what they say when they walk up and they
00:04they say, do you have any cocaine?
00:08But they do feel like, like, like, hey, well, you got to hear you packing.
00:17If all the world's a stage, it still wouldn't be big enough for the talent we've assembled here.
00:22Six of the most compelling drama actors on TV in a raw, revealing conversation where nothing is off limits.
00:30Walton Goggins, Cooper Koch, Diego Luna, Eddie Redmayne, Adam Scott, Jeffrey Wright.
00:48They're all on the record, but just a little off script with The Hollywood Reporter.
00:54I'm your host, Lacey Rose. Thank you all for being here.
00:57So we're going to start with a question for everyone.
00:58If you were to see an Adam Scott type or a Diego Luna type or, insert your name here, a Walton Goggin type in a script, do you know what that means?
01:09Lonely and sad.
01:12That can be funny, but is also marginalized.
01:17He'll be on his own.
01:18It's hard to beat that.
01:19It is, it is.
01:20And yet, I'm guessing that's not what an Adam Scott is.
01:21Walter speaks for all of us, I think.
01:23Yeah, I feel like that's probably how we all feel about it.
01:27How you feel about the house of Hollywood.
01:29But would you answer that question about yourself, or would you answer for, like, okay, Sam Rockwell.
01:34What would that be?
01:36Or do you answer it for somebody else?
01:37I guess you think about yourself.
01:39I just hate breakdowns altogether.
01:41Uh-huh.
01:43Can't speak for Sammy.
01:44What's a Jeffrey Wright, what does that mean?
01:47What is Hollywood trying to sort of signal with that?
01:50Oh, I don't think that there's a lot written for a Jeffrey Wright type.
01:57I have to kind of slot myself into various rooms, yeah.
02:03So, if there's a type, it would be probably someone akin to having multiple personality disorder or something like that.
02:13It, yeah, it takes a certain flexibility.
02:16Uh-huh.
02:17Yeah.
02:17I think it can definitely oscillate depending on what you've done.
02:21Sure.
02:21There was definitely a period when I started out, and I was, it was all slightly quirky American characters.
02:29And then it went fully into English period dramas, anything to do with Queen Elizabeth was, that seemed to be my type.
02:36And then after Theory of Everything, it was the sort of scientific, slightly nervous character, which, and, and, um.
02:45Where are we now?
02:46And now I'm being sent lots of sociopath assassins, basically.
02:50Oh, yes.
02:51It kind of, it can, I find there is a thing that whatever you've done last is the thing that, that kind of.
02:57They want from you.
02:57Yeah.
02:57Well, probably before Andor, the only projects I would get offered would be a drug dealer, right?
03:04And then I could be the nice drug dealer and not the very vicious one, but still a drug dealer, you know?
03:11And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, you know, when the, the system doesn't even send you, you know, messages of like, yes, you, you could probably, you know, find a way to be yourself and still work in those projects that you're looking at, you know, uh, that you're hoping, uh, as, as audience, you're hoping to see yourself reflect there.
03:32And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and I think things have changed in the last, uh, years and I think this TV system has changed where audiences are sending messages that are giving us, you know, the, the clues of like, oh, well, if you would like to, you could pursue an idea of like actually belonging to something you've never belonged before.
03:54Walton, you recently said, quote, I don't think people truly knew what to do with me.
04:00I'm not Brad Pitt.
04:01I'm never going to be Brad Pitt, but I am Walton Goggins and very few people fit in my lane.
04:06So much of it, you know, starting out, I think in, uh, your career early on, uh, has to do with, we're taught to, to, or we often compare ourselves to other people and we look in other lanes, right?
04:19And, and that just brings so much pain. And after doing that for the first couple of years, like I want to be like him, or I want to be that person.
04:27You know, I realized, uh, you know, pretty early on that I was never going to be any of those people.
04:33And, uh, and this first acting teacher that I had here in Los Angeles, his name was David, the grant.
04:39And he, uh, he said, you don't have the looks, so you better work harder than everyone in the room.
04:47You know, you better love this. Maybe I'm weird, but it was, it inspired me. It was inspirational.
04:53I think that's kind of, you know, that's, that's what it is that, that to express yourself authentically and to be your, your authentic self and, and contribute whatever it is that you have to express or say in this medium is, you know, is the only lane that you have.
05:12It's the, really the only thing that you can control.
05:14And, um, and sometimes it takes a long time to figure that out.
05:18I was going to say, like, was it something that, did it click for you in one specific moment or did it happen over time?
05:23Because I feel like I, I do that all the time.
05:25I'm just constantly comparing and like seeing what other people are doing and, you know, yeah.
05:32I'm curious how you, how you got past that.
05:35God, I just want to know the answer from everybody.
05:37I'm trying to get over what, what that teacher said.
05:43That's a, that's a, that's a rough, uh, thing to hear.
05:48I think you're a beautiful, rather rough thing to have said.
05:51But I was, I mean, I was, I was 19 years old and I, I think what he was just saying was, you know, if you're going to go on this journey, like what it's better not begin, right?
06:01Once begun, better finish.
06:03And you better understand what it is that you're asking yourself to do.
06:06And so that's what, and I, and I feel that way as fans of everybody at this table, that's what you, you've all done.
06:14And it's like, what is, what are you trying to do?
06:17Not be anybody else, be your version of all of these people that you're given an opportunity to play, right?
06:24And then hold up a mirror to nature.
06:26I think it's, that's where the joy kind of comes from.
06:29And I think that's what I meant by that.
06:30Sure.
06:31But I mean, it is, it is quite harsh feedback, but it propelled you.
06:34I'm curious, is anyone else have a version of that?
06:38Yeah, I had an acting teacher tell me I wasn't getting cast because I have a gay, a gay voice.
06:45Wow.
06:46Yeah.
06:46Jesus.
06:47No way.
06:47Yeah.
06:48What do you do with that?
06:49Does it propel you and inspire you in the way or motivate you?
06:52Not in that moment.
06:54No, I'm sure not.
06:55Yeah, I hated that.
06:57And, but it, and then it starts to make you question yourself.
07:00You have self-doubt.
07:01And I mean, speaking of self-doubt, I just, I don't, I don't know if that will ever end.
07:06It's, I'm, I'm terrified.
07:10I think it will.
07:10I think it will.
07:12I think that that self-doubt will end.
07:15You know what, thinking of your first question, those things, when they happen, like they can
07:24propel certain kind of people, but, but it's, it's not the way, you know, to search for it.
07:31Oh, that's for, damn sure.
07:33I think this is, it's interesting to be on the table talking about TV because I think it's
07:37the big game changer.
07:38It's like when, like the, the middleman between the audience and, and us is not there anymore.
07:43There's no guy with a cigar saying like, you, you are going to be a star boy, you know, like
07:47just people click and then suddenly go like, shit, they're watching a Mexican show.
07:53Should we pay attention to that?
07:55You know, and you can be as far away as you can from this system and the system will go
08:01and search for you if, if there's people with the need to hear stories from that specific
08:06place, you know.
08:08So you, you said that before Star Wars, you were getting the drug dealers.
08:13What do you get now?
08:15What is, what is, what is, yeah.
08:16I, I still get a lot of drug dealers.
08:18Okay.
08:19Fair enough.
08:20No, but it's just like, I, I don't have, I'm not looking for what they want me to play.
08:25Sure.
08:26I can, I can look for the stuff I want to do, you know, that.
08:28That's a free run.
08:29Yeah.
08:30That comes with understanding that people today care about specificity.
08:35So if you do care about like a character that comes from a very specific context and you,
08:41and you care about stories that have that texture and that tone, someone will care, you know,
08:46and you can focus on, on what you want to do and not hear.
08:49I, I remember like the, the, the line of like, are you going to clean your accent?
08:54For example, it's not anymore part of the conversation anymore.
08:58Or like when I was 20, it was like, man, you're great.
09:01If you work with your accent, you'll be doing what this or this other person is doing.
09:05You know, and you go like, why would I like to do that?
09:07I mean, that's done also.
09:09Like, yeah.
09:10And there's someone really good at doing that.
09:12I'm good at doing this other thing.
09:14So, and today I think it's, the conversation starts somewhere else where things like those
09:20two teachers, uh, sound horrible, you know, you don't feel like, oh, shit, I wish I had
09:26that teacher when I was a kid anymore.
09:28Well, before it was like, oh, he gave me the, he, he made me strong.
09:32He made my, my skin thick.
09:34They may have been slightly embittered.
09:36Yes.
09:37Slightly frustrated.
09:38Sounds like.
09:39Well, yeah, they're coming from a place of, I think that, I think that tends to happen
09:44sometimes a little, you know, encouragement, but also a subtle, subtle undermining.
09:49Yeah.
09:50Take it down a peg or two.
09:51A little bit.
09:52Yeah.
09:52I think if, if you saw a photo of me in like 1994, when I was starting out, it, I know for
10:00a fact, I was looking at pictures of Ethan Hawke and just being like, okay, this is what
10:07I need to do.
10:08And my hair and my jacket, I mean, Ethan Hawke was, and is so cool and excellent and hot.
10:16So of course that's what I want to be, but I was chasing this thing.
10:23I was trying to be this thing and it took me years to come to a place of kind of realizing
10:31that like Walt said, the thing that you have, the only thing you have is you and whatever
10:38you have to bring to it.
10:40And you, and you're the only one that can bring that, that thing to it.
10:45And then coming to a place of being comfortable with that and being able to share that and
10:52thinking that is of any value rather than this thing that you feel is, is better than
10:59you, that you'll never get to that.
11:02Cause that's not you.
11:04That's to celebrate that as well.
11:05That it's your differences that actually are the, the, the, the power and the interest
11:11that you have rather than trying to fit into other people's mold.
11:15But it takes, it weirdly feels like quite a simple thing that, but it's in practice incredibly
11:21hard to.
11:21And it's so vulnerable.
11:23It's so vulnerable.
11:24Like you just, because if that doesn't work, right, then, then you're really in trouble.
11:31You don't want me.
11:33Yeah.
11:33Yeah.
11:33I'm just so curious from this table.
11:36The, the, the way that you feel, uh, like Jeffrey being this far into your career or really
11:41anybody here, you know, what is it like for you the weeks or the night before you begin?
11:45And, and, and, and is, are those nerves and is that anxiety kind of still there?
11:51And then, and then what is the, the first day or the second day of work like after you've
11:56started?
11:57I try to, when I'm working, try to find, uh, narratives and characters that I haven't played
12:03before.
12:04Uh, and, you know, you're trying to figure out, uh, how to, you know, wrap yourself around
12:09this, this new idea.
12:11And so you haven't done it before.
12:12So there's always, I find always uncertainty as to whether or not I'm going to be able
12:19to pull it off first and foremost.
12:21That said, I just started filming.
12:23Uh, we just started again with the agency and even having done it, uh, for, you know, one
12:32full season and just finished, you know, uh, not too long ago, I still felt uncertain, but
12:38it was for different reasons.
12:39And I think, I think perhaps what, what we do or what I do is we put obstacles in our
12:46way if we feel too, uh, relaxed, too content.
12:52Cause I don't, I mean, that's not a really a sufficient place to work from because there
12:57has to be some degree of, of energy of, you know, uh, of, of, of anxiety, but, uh, but
13:06concern, I think it comes from a desire to do, do it and do it well.
13:12And more simply, uh, for me, I think throughout my career, there's been a need not to make
13:19a fool of myself.
13:21So that's first and foremost, but yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's still in, you know, it
13:27changes over time, but I still, even last week found myself going, am I going to be able
13:32to pull this off?
13:33Wow.
13:33Well, I'll never forget on, um, years ago on theory of everything, the, the, the first
13:38day we're shooting various different moments in Stephen Hawking's life.
13:42And the night before I was so nervous that it got to like three in the morning and four
13:48in the morning and the pickup's at five.
13:50And I'm like, no, no, no, this is day one.
13:52And I literally haven't said, and I was being picked at, you know, so I got in the bath at
13:554.30 and I was like, I can't believe this day is starting without sleep.
14:00And it got to the end of the day.
14:02The whole day was a blur.
14:03And the last scene I had to sort of do this moment of, of, of a sort of breakdown.
14:07I was so fucking exhausting.
14:09They're like, the director just sort of poked me and I was like, but it's interesting that
14:14even ever since then, and I quite often get it when you asked about the night before,
14:19I often can't sleep the night before, but learning in yourself that you can survive 48 hours
14:24and function, like, even though it's not ideal and accepting that that's who, that's who
14:32I am.
14:32Like, I can't get it.
14:33And I think that is a part of the process, I guess.
14:35Yeah.
14:35Well, no, I was, I think in answer to the second part of the question in, in, in, in
14:39following up with that, I think at the same time, once you do get through it, you realize
14:45why you, why you do this.
14:47Yeah.
14:48I have to say that even though I do get everything you're talking about, I also have another thing
14:53that happens the day after where it's like, shit.
14:58Oh God, I should have.
15:00The drive home.
15:00Of course, of course, of course, of course.
15:03And it's like, oh, and you wish you were doing theater and you had an opportunity to
15:08go there the next morning.
15:09Yes.
15:10I mean, to the theater and like get it right.
15:12Do it over again.
15:13I've been doing it for the scene I shot last week.
15:16Just last night, I was saying the words out loud in what I should have done.
15:22Yeah.
15:22Like it's killing me.
15:24I'm in the midst of trying to wash this scene away that I know I did wrong like four days
15:31ago.
15:31I feel like that, that, that I always describe it as being like the aspiration for perfection
15:36with the acknowledgement that you're never going to get there.
15:39Yeah.
15:39But that thing that the drug for me, that the thing that makes me come back to it is those
15:45milliseconds that happened for me maybe once every five years, you know, like, and it's
15:50gone in a second.
15:51And then it can happen on stage when, when for some reason, something suddenly clicks
15:56and you find something else happening and that's, that's the drug.
16:01And it's the drug.
16:02Do you find that on film TV?
16:03I've had it maybe three or four times and, and over 20 years, but, but it's so rare.
16:10The problem with, the problem with film TV is there's evidence.
16:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:15You can't escape.
16:16It's there for us.
16:17It's there.
16:18But I can, it's so comforting to hear that you've, you've felt it three or four, it's,
16:24it's nanoseconds for you and for everyone here.
16:28And just knowing how much I admire everyone's work at this table and knowing that it's, it
16:35doesn't, it's not something that you're always, you're not always feeling the greatness that
16:40I see you all generating, that it's milliseconds for you as well as beyond comforting.
16:46Because I, I, I'm lucky to get the, the nanoseconds.
16:52It makes it all worth it.
16:54Can I ask you, this is a project where, if I'm not mistaken, you auditioned for?
16:59Three times.
17:00Three times, but for three different Menendez Brothers projects.
17:04Yeah.
17:04So talk to me about, that's, obviously you, you knew it was a project, it was a story
17:09you wanted to tell.
17:10Why?
17:10Well, yeah, I, it was my second audition ever that I ever had with my agent in New York.
17:16And I just watched the videos of the testimony and it was like a Saturday morning and I'm
17:23just like crying in my bed, just being like, holy shit, this is, I really am so moved by,
17:29by this.
17:30And it was my first callback and my first screen test for anything and I didn't get
17:35it and I was devastated.
17:36And I remember like looking up to the sky and being so woo woo and being like, I'm supposed
17:43to do this.
17:44I'm supposed to do this.
17:44This feels like this is mine.
17:46Like, I feel like I have to tell the story.
17:48And then, yeah, it came back seven years later and then I got to do it in the best possible
17:55way.
17:55And so that was for a different Menendez.
17:57Yeah.
17:58The Law and Order one was first in 2017.
18:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:01And then there was a Lifetime movie as well that I tested for that.
18:04And then, yeah.
18:06And then, and that was in, yeah, 2017.
18:08It's like right when I started auditioning.
18:10Do you think it helped?
18:11Do you think that that character kind of ruminating in you over that period of time?
18:16Yeah.
18:16I think I just always had such a deep, like weird care and love for both of them that
18:26I think it always stuck with me.
18:29And I think a lot of characters that I end up deeply loving are always kind of like, they're
18:33like, I remember playing like burger and hair in college.
18:36And like, for some reason that still sticks with me.
18:40And I remember really learning how to have self-love through that process in a certain
18:46way.
18:46Has anyone else had to sort of fight that hard for a role because you knew it was something
18:50that you were meant to play?
18:52As I've gotten older, you know, and, and a lot of those experiences, things that you
18:58might've gotten or the things that you lost out on and your twenties affect you or affected
19:03me much differently than they do, you know, I mean, I'm 53.
19:07And, and so now I really believe like in, in life and, and, and that if it was meant for
19:14me, it's going to be for me.
19:15And if it's not meant for me, it's not going to be for me.
19:17And just because this experience didn't happen, the next one is going to come along.
19:22I feel that way about everything in my life.
19:24Well, you've also been in multiple projects where you were supposed to be, your, your,
19:29your time on these projects was supposed to be one episode and done.
19:32You were supposed to be killed.
19:33I mean, more than once.
19:35A serialized kind of experience.
19:37Yeah, justified.
19:38It's justified.
19:39It happened.
19:40It happened on the.
19:40Well, like the, the other shield, you know, the shield, they, yeah, I, you know, I didn't
19:44find out until the DVD commentary at the end of the first season that they wanted to fire
19:49me.
19:49And I thought, well, I only had four lines.
19:51And I'm like, how could I piss you off that bad?
19:53Yeah.
19:54It was the, yeah, the shield and, and justified and, uh, yeah.
19:57And a, and a few, a few, a few others.
19:59Yeah.
19:59Uh-huh.
20:00But, um, but it, but it, but it worked out.
20:02Yeah.
20:02I would, I would say.
20:04Yeah.
20:04So these are projects.
20:05I mean, presumably the, the success of these things, even at this point in your career,
20:10the, the phone rings in a different way on, on the other side.
20:13And you're hitting a cultural moment in a way that, uh, I would say sort of feels fresh
20:18and new.
20:19What do those calls look like?
20:21And how do you sort of process what's happening?
20:24I'm just leaning into it with childlike abandon.
20:26And I suppose some people, uh, would take that opportunity to, to redefine how people
20:32see them and maybe become a little more aloof and a little cool.
20:36I'm just leaning more into who I am as a person and I'm not walking into it.
20:42I'm fucking running straight at it and, and the right one will fit.
20:47And yeah, I'm getting to read some really cool things now.
20:49And, but the work doesn't change.
20:52The attitude doesn't change.
20:54You don't change.
20:55I've been doing what I've been doing for 30 years, you know, and the, and the reverence
20:59that I have for this experience.
21:01And I just want to tie it back into something that you said earlier, asking that question
21:06earlier, I like all of you, I can't stand it.
21:11I am filled with anxiety and I can't sleep the night before a job, but I do know without
21:17knowing, even if I have the right questions, let alone the right answers now at this stage
21:22in my life, whether it's an interview, whether it's a, whatever it is, I know that once I'm
21:29there, I'll figure it out no matter what, I'll figure it out.
21:34And that's the thing I don't question anymore at this stage of my life, which feels so good.
21:41Whether it's this moment, whether it's a job, whether it, whatever it is, whether it's
21:45being a parent, I'm going to figure it out.
21:48Yeah.
21:49And that is a place that, that I think all of us will, can get to, you know, that we
21:55will get to.
21:56Anyway.
21:57I hope I got there.
21:58Amen.
21:59It is so crazy to just, if I'm talking and all of you guys are like looking at me, I just
22:06feel so, this is just insane to me right now.
22:10Like I have been watching you all for so long, my whole life.
22:16And I'm just, I, I feel so grateful to be here and looking at each one of you.
22:21I mean, it's just, I feel so surreal.
22:24I also, I used to watch this all the time, like in college when I was in acting school,
22:28I would be watching this.
22:29And now to be like sitting here, it's just, it, it's very crazy.
22:35Well, you're incredible.
22:36You're here for a reason.
22:38Yeah.
22:40I mean, you, you were, when you got this part, you were working at Salt and Straw and
22:45teaching yoga.
22:45I'm curious.
22:46No, quite literally.
22:47I'm curious.
22:49What would, what's the thing that you wish someone, anyone would have told you when you
22:53guys were at that point in your career?
22:57At the Salt and Straw point?
22:58Okay, sure.
22:59Yes.
22:59Matter of fact, speaking.
23:01We all wear that ice cream.
23:02It sounds delicious.
23:04It is an ice cream shop.
23:06Oh, really?
23:07Yes.
23:08Don't, you know, don't worry about what you feel you need to push yourself to be.
23:14What you have is already there.
23:17But at the same time, I feel like to a certain extent, that's something that is lived and
23:22that you have to come to in your, in your own way.
23:25And there's a certain, you know, like I said earlier, I was, you know, when I was starting
23:30out, I wanted to be Ethan Hawke and Stephen Dorff and whatever was happening at the time
23:35and sort of with age and with experience, you find yourself coming to a place of, of
23:44kind of accepting yourself and accepting what you have to offer.
23:48And I'm just so grateful that I didn't end up getting Scream 2 or I know what you did
23:56last summer or any of the stuff that I auditioned for at all.
24:01Yeah.
24:01And I would have squandered it.
24:05I wouldn't, I wasn't ready.
24:07And I was trying to replicate something in my, you know, whatever it was.
24:13And so I feel like, um, the kind of path I've ended up taking is, is, is the right one, similar
24:21to what Walt was saying.
24:22Sure.
24:22I don't know if there's something about what I would say, and maybe it's my weird relationship
24:27with this city, because, you know, Los Angeles for British actors was like the place, the
24:33kind of, the, the, the dream world really.
24:37And we used to come over here and it was normally in January during like pilot season.
24:42And we'd come over and we'd tell our families we were going to go and try and get work.
24:45And none of us would get any work, but we would sit here and escape the pouring rain.
24:49And so whenever I come back here, I feel like a profound romance and it's a nostalgia.
24:57And I get that at the time we were hustling and we were trying and I've never, ever got
25:02a job ever from a meeting in Los Angeles.
25:05The one thing I would say is that, and maybe I have over romanticized it.
25:09It's very easy for me to say, having been lucky enough to work and I know how real that
25:12struggle is, but there is great joy that comes through the camaraderie of that period of helping
25:18each other out of all auditioning for the same stuff of, we used to do things when, you
25:24know, if someone was doing a play or had an audition, get grouped together and get that
25:28play, run it all together.
25:29Because part of the point when you're starting out is you're not acting like you've, you're
25:33never, you're just, you're working, like I would work in the pub or you're working, you're not
25:38actually getting the opportunity to practice.
25:41And I look back on that period as a kind of joyful one, if you can create that vibe and
25:48that camaraderie to be, and of course, competitions in there, it's like, it's all of that is very,
25:53very real.
25:54But those things of also when your friend has a break, like the celebration of that and
26:00the excitement behind that is, you know, you had it on such a grand scale so young back
26:06home.
26:06Yeah, but thinking about the, what you were saying of like, what I needed to be told.
26:12Yeah.
26:12And I agree with you, probably I needed to go through that, not to be told, but I was already
26:20there, you know, the place that makes me so like proud and that I understand belonging,
26:29by being there.
26:31I was already doing theater with the companies, like with the people that shared the passion
26:37I had.
26:38I was part of a community, a family.
26:40And then Itumamata Min happened and suddenly we started traveling and we didn't know that
26:45was even possible, that Mexican films were meant to be seen in a tiny festival in Mexico
26:51and probably you could bring a family member and that was it.
26:54You know, that was the, it was a luxury just to do them, but I suddenly once started traveling
26:59and I felt like, oh, I can work in other communities, in other places, find new audiences
27:07and in other language.
27:09And I did the worst jobs ever.
27:13Like it was the worst decision, you know, in terms of like, how proud are you of those
27:18films?
27:18Like if I put them all, I go like, oh, I could like keep them on the table, you know, happily.
27:25But I guess I had to go through that to understand it.
27:29I think that, I think that's right.
27:30Do you have this feeling in this moment of like, oh, I have to strike while the iron's
27:34hot, that sort of pressure that, that can come from, from this, from this business?
27:39Yeah.
27:39You do?
27:40Yeah.
27:42I, yeah, I, um, yeah, it's tough.
27:46You, you, but like you said, I, I feel like I, I have to feel it in my, I've got to feel
27:55it in my gut, in my heart in order to want to do something.
28:00If I don't feel it, I'm terrible.
28:02I'm awful.
28:03If I, if I don't have that passion or that, that just immense empathy for the person or
28:10for the story or where I really connect, then I'm terrible.
28:15And I've been trying to figure out, is there a way to work your way into finding that?
28:21Or is it just depend, does it depend on what the thing is?
28:26And so then, yeah, how do you say no?
28:29How do you say yes?
28:31How do you, you know, I mean, even with auditioning, like, I feel like I'm better going to audition,
28:37not necessarily just to prove it to them, but I need to prove to myself that I can do
28:41it.
28:42I'm going to steal that one.
28:43That's a good one to say no to a film.
28:45I'm going to ruin your film if I do it.
28:47I mean, you don't need me in your film.
28:50And Itou Mama Tambien is actually what led you ultimately to Star Wars, which is not
28:55necessarily a linear path.
28:57I like telling that story because I was sat down and Gareth Edwards, the director, said
29:03it like, he said it somehow, something like this.
29:07He said, like, I want the tone of Itou Mama Tambien in this Star Wars film.
29:11And I was like, I never thought, like, one thing would, like, get me close to the other,
29:17you know, and I want to do both.
29:19I grew up watching these films.
29:21I love the Star Wars universe.
29:22I want to be part.
29:23But I never thought, like, Itou Mama Tambien and that work we did with Alfonso and the way
29:28he kept us grounded was, like, a key.
29:31And I remember all the people saying to me what to do in order to be eligible for something
29:38like Star Wars, you know, go to the gym, change your accent, move to California, da, da,
29:43all of those things.
29:44And I was like, no, I, in fact, something I did in Mexico City in Spanish in eight weeks
29:50of shooting was the key, you know.
29:53I was saying to Cooper earlier, just outside we were talking about, you know, the path
29:58forward and choices you're making.
30:00And something I kind of came to realize eventually was the things that ended up making any difference
30:07in my career were the choices I made for reasons other than the choices I made because it's
30:16something that I liked and I wanted to do because I thought it would be fun with my friends or
30:24I just loved the material.
30:25I thought I could bring something to it.
30:27And never even thinking about career, you know, how it could help me along.
30:31And those always, and whenever I make a decision for any other reason other than that, it goes
30:38sideways and doesn't do, doesn't end up doing anything.
30:43So the only thing that I would say for young actors, and this is my philosophy, the thing
30:49that you constantly have to check is your ego, right?
30:53Just because this moment happens and then all of a sudden, well, then you have to do things
30:58of, you know, of a similar caliber or whatever, or you're going to be seeing the perception.
31:03Who gives a fuck what other people think?
31:05At the end of the day, for me, go to work.
31:09Work begets work.
31:10And more importantly, don't manage or kind of try to dictate what that experience will be
31:18because one will lead to another, which will lead to another.
31:23And I, I don't know, man, like, I remember because after like a big job at one, one particular
31:28moment in my career, it's like, okay, that phone is going to ring, you know, and, and it
31:32didn't, it didn't ring in the way that I thought it would ring or, or like, like, like going
31:37back to justified and what that kind of like, okay, yeah, I'll just do the pilot.
31:42Great.
31:43After, you know, saying no a couple of times, but I'm going to go to work and I can add something
31:47to this of real value.
31:49I wound up staying around and then, you know, then Quentin called, you know, for the first
31:55time and, and Django and, and, uh, went and met with him.
32:00And, uh, after we, we had dinner, we threw it with some friends the night before and he
32:04said, well, come in and kind of pick a role and read whatever.
32:06And, and I, I came in and he's like, I got three roles.
32:10This is it, you know, and got it, spent an hour with him.
32:13And he said, uh, no, he said to, so, you know, thank you.
32:16That was a lot of fun.
32:17Well, and I said, oh, I'm, I mean, I'm not leaving.
32:21I'm going to read like Sam's role.
32:23I'm going to read Leo's role.
32:24I'm going to read all the roles.
32:26I don't care if I get this job.
32:29I'm saying your words in front of you, man.
32:31Yeah.
32:31This is the only reason I'm in this.
32:34This is the drug.
32:36And we spent, you know, another, I've told this story before, but like an hour and a half.
32:41And, and ultimately it worked out the way that it worked out.
32:44And it was because of that, no ego, whatever, if I can, you know, whatever, we still led
32:49to the hateful eight, you know, and, uh, and it's just kind of the way things happen.
32:53And I think people, we all have to constantly kind of check in with our egos and kind of where
32:59we are and how, how we see ourselves or how other people see us.
33:04Right.
33:04And to be honest about that.
33:07I think what, you know, we're all saying, I feel similarly to what everyone said, but I think
33:13it goes back to this idea of finding the self, which is a process of kind of stripping away all of
33:20the things that are added on and all the things that may be false and finding oneself.
33:26But I think early on it begins with having a perspective, with having, um, con, um, interest
33:37in things beyond just being in front of the camera or being on the stage, because it's
33:45only in that way that you're able to find something that resonates with you on the page.
33:51I mean, I tell young people all the time, if you're going to, you know, if you want to
33:54do this, study anything but acting, study biology, study anything that gives you, um, a sense
34:01of, of, of, uh, reference and out in the world and a cotton context, because at the end of
34:08the day, the, the, the thing that we're asked to do is, is to, um, communicate something
34:15so that it can be understood in order for us to do that.
34:21We have to understand it ourselves.
34:23And so, and so if you're, if you're, you know, to your point as well, Eddie, I mean, the nostalgia
34:29for that time when you're just scrambling, just trying to figure out, I mean, those are
34:33the best days.
34:34Enjoy those days.
34:35But I'm conscious it's hideous at the time.
34:38I can just see Cooper's face being like, oh, I don't know.
34:41It was such a bummer back then.
34:43It's, I mean, it's, you know, it's the cliche, it's the journey, it's not, you know.
34:46But there is a romance to that.
34:48It's not the location.
34:49It's, I think, I worked with what, when we did Angels in America, I'd get these calls,
34:54yeah, Al wants to rehearse, you know, on his own.
34:58You know, he wants to, he's got a room over on 57th Street.
35:01He wants to, yeah, sure, of course.
35:02This happened, like, a dozen times.
35:07You know, Mike Nichols directing, but Mike was just, Al just wanted to work through the
35:11script and dig down into the script.
35:14And I, and then ultimately, we, you know, we did the piece, you know, we performed it.
35:21But it seemed to me that he was much more interested in the process of getting there
35:28than in the final outcome.
35:31For him, that was everything, just, you know, the journey.
35:37The journey was far more critical for him than the ultimate destination.
35:44And I think there's something to be said for that, said of that generally.
35:48Because what we do doesn't happen if there's no one in front, if we are not sharing it,
35:55if it's meant to be called a collaboration, and it's about that encounter.
36:00And we tend to talk about acting, and this industry, like, pushes you to think about a career.
36:09But it's about how many encounters you can have in life, you know, with others that do what you do,
36:16that can enrich your perspective.
36:18But the connections, the moments, the echo you found in someone else is what, I guess, it's my drug.
36:30I think that, you know, I would argue the thing that is still so special about Pacino,
36:36and knowing that he takes all of this time to just explore the piece and the scene or whatever it is,
36:45is that, and I would say still, like, in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, watching Pacino on there,
36:51and it's still the, like, it's very simple what's so special about Al Pacino.
36:57And I think, for me, it's that when I see his work, he does things, whether it's a glance or a monologue or whatever it is,
37:07he does stuff that I've only seen in real life.
37:10I've only seen people behave that way or have that feeling, even if it's nonverbal.
37:18Like, when he leaves the room in Godfather 2, and Kay is sewing, and he decides he hasn't seen her in months,
37:25but he's not going to tell her he's home, and just the way he backs out of that room,
37:30I've never seen that on film before.
37:33That's behavior that is real, and it's because he is thinking about it from all angles for weeks, probably.
37:41And he knows that feeling, and he's able to replicate it.
37:46It is a magic trick, and it's rare that you see something that kind of genuine and real.
37:55We're talking a lot about how the industry sees you, how you see yourself.
37:58I'm curious about how fans see you.
37:59If fans are going to approach you on the street in an airport or what have you these days,
38:05what do they tend to recognize you from, and what do they say?
38:08Always just, can I have a picture?
38:11Uh-huh.
38:11And just those words.
38:14And, yeah, I've developed a rule.
38:18Which is?
38:19Give me a compliment first.
38:22Give me a compliment.
38:24Just give me a compliment.
38:25Just say you liked the show before you ask for the photo, and then, because then it's just like, well, what?
38:33You just want to, you just, that's all you want?
38:36You don't want to talk to me?
38:37Like, I want to, I would talk to you.
38:40Like, I had someone the other day, like, just follow me to the car at the grocery store, and just, can I have a photo?
38:47And I'm just like, I'll be nice.
38:50I'm super nice.
38:51I'd never be rude to somebody, but, yeah.
38:53Help me load my groceries into the back of my car.
38:55Or just, yeah, or just, like, I would rather connect, like, and then when you do have those connections with people who stop you and say, you know, like, oh, I'm so sorry, I don't want to bother you, but I just, I loved you and the show, you're amazing, like, you know, I was really moved by your thing, or whatever it is.
39:12It's like, then that's like, oh, that feels so good, and, and, you know, we really live in an age where, like, a photo is so precious to people, but, and, and then you do, you do send it to your friends, and then, and then that's, that's it.
39:28That's, yeah, it's, and you don't, there's no connection in it.
39:33Yeah.
39:34I love that.
39:35That's been an interesting, um, sort of thing.
39:39I think the perception of me, at least this is what they say when they walk up, and they, they say, do you have any cocaine?
39:47I'm just joking.
39:48But they do feel like, like, like, hey, well, you gotta, are you packing?
39:54But I, I think that people feel like, oh, man, like, I, I know this guy.
40:00I feel like I want to have a drink with this guy, I want to hang out with this guy, and I don't know if it's about, because of, you know, where I come from.
40:08You know, or, or just kind of the way I kind of move through the world, people just feel like they have a right, you know, and, and I, I just feel like they do.
40:18Yeah.
40:18In the sense, because it's like, I've asked you to come in to spend 84 hours of your life with me.
40:23Yeah.
40:23And I can't, are you joking?
40:25Okay, so what did you think?
40:26Really, what did you, what did you think?
40:27You know, what, what did you think was going to happen?
40:29It got into disagreements, and, you know, but I, I.
40:32You have?
40:33Like, like, like, well, I don't think, I think you missed the point.
40:37But you feel compelled to explain it to these men?
40:39Well, yeah, I mean, if they're sharing, if they're sharing an idea of something, this is what I said, well, it's interesting that it hit you that way.
40:44I think you're wrong.
40:46But that's it.
40:47But, and I, and I quite like having those conversations, and, and this is going to sound so weird, but, but like, I'm a, there are other parents here.
40:55I'm a father, and, you know, for so long, and I still feel that way, and my son has taken more selfies, man.
41:02Like, he has been just like, here you go, buddy, you take this, you know, that somebody passed the phone to him.
41:08But I just feel like every time I'm, I'm stopped on the street, I can provide for my family.
41:13Like, it's a, it is a blessing.
41:15It's not a curse.
41:17And also, it's not the same.
41:18You cannot talk about the audience, you know.
41:19As one thing, or like, the, the, the, the idea of fans as a, as a monolithic idea, because the, I, I think like, for example, the, the, the guys who's, who belong to the Star Wars community, they, they care profoundly.
41:36They know, they, they're experts in what you're working on, and that feels amazing.
41:40Or, or then, when I go to Mexico, like, I've been acting since I'm seven, so I'm part of, like, I'm a piece of furniture of their houses, you know.
41:48Like, they, I arrive, and they just, they just go like, yeah, well, Diego, I mean, he's been around forever.
41:54Ever present.
41:54And I'm like, yeah, okay, what's your name?
41:57Cool.
41:57I mean, and, and that's a different connection.
41:59And then I come to this country, and it's like, shit, man, we didn't know that was possible.
42:04So nice to have you in a, in that film, you know.
42:08And, and, and if you're Mexican in the States, it means a lot, you know.
42:13For me, I, I, I appreciate, like, going, you're talking about, like, you know, these, like Star Wars, like, you know, with the Batman or something like that.
42:22It's how invested people are.
42:25They just feel a personal connection to these stories and characters.
42:30And I think that I've, I've grown really to respect that because particularly now, when things are so uncertain in the world and so odd and precarious, that people find genuine hope.
42:49Yeah.
42:49And a, and a real sense of, of, of, of personal connection and comfort in, in, in story.
42:58I think we've all experienced that ourselves, too.
43:01Like, I've, I, I've experienced that all the time with the shows that I watch and the people that I see.
43:08Yeah.
43:08It's, it's, it's not a superficial thing.
43:10Yeah.
43:10It's like, it's a critical thing.
43:12So, for example, going to, like, Comic-Con, for example.
43:15I love going to Comic-Con.
43:16You do.
43:16I love it because you have, you, you get an opportunity to, to experience this genuine, genuine, genuine appreciation.
43:26It's a genuine appreciation that otherwise becomes completely abstracted because you don't have that connection between, you know, the stage and the audience as you do in the theater.
43:35But, yeah, I mean, it depends on the, on the piece, but.
43:39If it wasn't genuine, they wouldn't go to the trouble.
43:41Oh, they're right.
43:42Go right there and going up to you.
43:44Yeah.
43:45I feel the same way with Severance.
43:48People that come up and want to talk about Severance are really interested.
43:54What do they ask?
43:54What do they say?
43:55Well, it, mostly it's talking about how much they love it.
43:59Who they watch it with is really important.
44:01And I love, I love that scene.
44:03I love it.
44:04Yeah.
44:04And, and, and it's great because, you know, when we made the show, when we first made the show, it was in a bubble and we figured it was so weird.
44:14Maybe people would watch it, but maybe, maybe it would just be ignored.
44:18Like, we never thought it would connect to the way it's connected.
44:22So when people come up and want to talk about it, I, I, I love it.
44:27And there is, people are so smart and invested and involved.
44:32And I think, like you were saying, it being a part, it being on television, whether it's on their iPad or on their screen at home, it's really ingrained into their lives in a different way.
44:44And there's a, a, a comfortability, like you were saying too, um, that's, that's really lovely.
44:50Um, do they give you plot suggestions?
44:52Yeah.
44:53Oh yeah.
44:53Yeah.
44:53Yeah.
44:53Yeah.
44:53For sure.
44:55Season two.
44:56Yeah.
44:56Yeah.
44:56Yeah.
44:56For sure.
44:57Oh yeah.
44:58Oh yeah.
44:59Yeah.
44:59Yeah.
45:00For sure.
45:01One of the things that, sorry, just jumping in because I've, I've experienced because I haven't done TV that it comes out weekly, like, like this for a while.
45:10And again, in a time in which the world is becoming like somehow less communicative, the fact that people are talking and waiting that week, the sustain, you know, I really felt it with your show, like that, that, that, that sort of anticipation, the, the water cooler, you know, discussions and the way that people want to stop you to, to really, to have a connection.
45:33And I, I find, I find that so thrilling compared to all of the other things I've done.
45:38I've never felt that so like virulently.
45:41When you're out in the world, like in the midst of a season where there are like cliffhangers and whatever, like the anticipation for the next one, it really is a, a really new feeling.
45:52Yeah.
45:53It's so fun.
45:54It's so fun.
45:55Yeah.
45:55Yeah.
45:55Yeah.
45:55People coming up and wanting to, no, but they don't want to know.
45:58It's really fun.
46:00There was a, there was a moment I was in, in, in, in New York and the city, like, I don't know, like episode seven of the white Lotus or whatever.
46:07And I was just kind of walking down the street and it was the, the most surreal aspect of it was, it was like a dude, like on a fifth floor, he can walk a balcony.
46:19Goggins, come on, Rick.
46:21Like, make it Rick.
46:22And then somebody going by a car, Rick Hatchet.
46:25Like, just, you found peace, man.
46:27You found peace.
46:28Somebody on a bike, a dude kind of came out of a shop and you're just like, and it's like Goggins.
46:32And I was like, you know, Hey, what's up, man?
46:34I hope so.
46:35Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:35And it was, you know, for like a block after block.
46:38And it was like, what a, it was no ego, right?
46:41It was just like, this is just something culture is participating kind of in this moment.
46:45And you just happen to be a part of it.
46:47And it, and it is a part of a, like a, this exchange.
46:50Who's the fellow actor, uh, that you drop anything, anything and everything to act with, but haven't yet?
46:56Anyone who, who has one?
47:00Uh, Jeffrey Wright.
47:02Oh boy.
47:03Oh boy.
47:04Yeah, that's a, that's a hard question in the table where you would probably do it.
47:07Okay, don't, exclude everyone at this table.
47:09Everyone has to pick.
47:09Exclude everyone.
47:10Everyone has to pick someone.
47:10No, no, no, no, no.
47:11Exclude everyone at this table.
47:12Is there someone you're dying to work with?
47:14Manifest it here.
47:15For me, uh, I mean, Al Pacino is someone, uh, Harrison Ford, you know, is, everything to me is a, he's still doing incredible work.
47:26Someone that I worked with, but for one scene, but I would love to work with more is Ben Whishel.
47:32Uh huh.
47:33I think he's extraordinary.
47:36Fassbender.
47:37Oh, so good.
47:38Michael.
47:39Uh huh.
47:39I'll do a scene with Walter and Fassbender and Walter and Michael.
47:42Yeah.
47:44Come over and we'll be at it next week.
47:46Come on over.
47:46Who's got an iPhone?
47:48Let's go to work.
47:49Honestly, Parker Posey.
47:51God, I would, that was, oh God, I would die to do something with her.
47:57She's a, she's a true original.
47:59You talk about someone who has always been their authentic self.
48:04Incredible.
48:04Oh, for sure.
48:06Fearlessly.
48:06If you could pop up in, in, in another project, even just as a guest star, is there anyone, is there anything you guys, uh, would love to jump into?
48:16Yes.
48:17I would sever.
48:18You would sever? Okay. All right.
48:22That's a good question.
48:24Yeah.
48:24I'm just trying to think of what's like active right now.
48:28Yeah.
48:28Like a, cause I would say like the West Wing or something, but that's not.
48:31I mean, so would I.
48:32Yeah, yeah.
48:33Just any opportunity to work with Alice and Johnny in front of you.
48:36I would say the Flight of the Conchords.
48:39Oh, that's so good.
48:40Ah, yes.
48:41I feel like, Jeffrey, we could do like a Jackal agency.
48:44Yeah.
48:44A little mashup.
48:45Like mashup.
48:46Yeah.
48:46I think that would actually be really quite interesting.
48:48I, I think we, we might consider it.
48:50See, the problem for me, I've only.
48:52You don't seem too keen, Jeffrey.
48:53No, no.
48:54We could do it in this, we could do it in this, we could do it in this country.
48:57Cause I, I've only like lately been watching like documentaries, which I tend to do too
49:03much trying to figure out what's going on in the world.
49:05So I've been watching like, well, I did a, a film about Russia.
49:10So I started digging down into, um, into kind of recent Russian history and then going
49:14back and then now, and, and, and autocrats, uh, cause the film is, um, it's, uh, called
49:21the, uh, wizard of the Kremlin.
49:22So I was digging down and then I started digging down into, you know, cause there's an overlap
49:26between Soviet history and Chinese history and started digging down into like, uh, Mao
49:32and these, so I've been watching a lot of historical documentaries.
49:36So maybe we could find ourselves, you know, uh, somehow, you know, um, planted inside the
49:44history of these things as these characters, because they were there, uh, in like kind
49:50of frightening ways, um, these CIA operatives and the like, maybe, maybe we'd do that.
49:57What is the most used emoji on your phone?
49:59Sounds like a crazy question.
50:00It's actually revealing.
50:02I have the hug.
50:03You're the hug.
50:03See, that is, that is, but that says something about it.
50:06I have this, uh, this, uh, the grin, you know, like that, like that super cool.
50:13And I do, but I do that and it follows one with shades.
50:16It does make so much sense.
50:19Yeah.
50:19I have the one with like the massive amount of teeth.
50:23Which is the story of mine.
50:24It's sort of apologizing for something that's gone sort of cataclysmic.
50:27Um, but I've recently got into, um, what are they?
50:31Stickers?
50:31Stickers.
50:32So, Ursula Cabrera, who plays my wife, um, in The Jackal has the most extreme, I mean,
50:37her text messages might barely laugh with stickers, so I've just saved all of them.
50:41And occasionally I just send them to people randomly just to cheer them up.
50:44And they're like a guaranteed instant fix.
50:46Oh, her?
50:47No, no, no.
50:48She just, they're just her taste in, which is, yeah.
50:50I'm a dad, so the thumbs up.
50:53I tend to, and my kids are just like, Jesus Christ.
50:58Use something else.
51:00Jesus Christ.
51:01That is so funny.
51:03Use the thumbs up.
51:04The dad thumbs up.
51:05Yeah.
51:05You shut that down.
51:07Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:08I need to stop.
51:09Yeah.
51:10Face palm is mine.
51:12Oh, that's a good one.
51:13That's a great one.
51:14It's great.
51:14I love that one.
51:15It's so perfect.
51:16It's so good.
51:17Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:19Diego, do you have that?
51:21I am, I'm boring.
51:22I have like one that I use.
51:24It's a, it's a little boy dancing that is very sweet, but I, it's, that's it.
51:30How is that boring?
51:32Well, because it's been happening for eight years or nine years.
51:35I mean, yeah.
51:36Committed to it.
51:37Is that like a, an affirmation, like right on sort of like?
51:40It's like a, yeah, I mean, it's going to get better, you know?
51:44It works for everything.
51:45It works for, don't worry, life is fun.
51:48It's like, oh my God, you just said something great or I said, I'm having a shitty day.
51:52I wish I was this boy.
51:53I just used that one.
51:55I'm really worried.
51:56These emojis are like indicative of our personality.
51:59I should have thought harder about that before.
52:01But they, but they absolutely are.
52:03My other one, so much of our media is served up to us.
52:06What does the algorithm think you like?
52:09So maybe that's as simple as your.
52:11On Instagram, they think I like videos that are focused on great heights and that, you
52:20know, these kids that climb to the very top of skyscrapers to the, like, the top of the
52:25antenna at the top of a skyscraper with their faces covered because it's illegal.
52:30Have you seen these videos?
52:32Yeah.
52:32No.
52:32Are you going to surf this?
52:33Yeah, they hold up a flag or, and they bring a drone up there to get.
52:37Oh, they have drones now.
52:39Yeah, they bring it up and then.
52:40Like Spider-Man.
52:41They do the stick too.
52:42Yeah.
52:42It's terrifying.
52:44And sometimes they fall and it's a whole subculture.
52:47Like they, oh shit, they die.
52:49Yeah.
52:50Oh, wow.
52:50There's a documentary, but it's crazy, but it's all I get sent on Instagram are these
52:55terrifying videos of people climbing skyscrapers.
52:59Fascinating.
53:00I get hotels in other countries.
53:01Like, I'm just constantly, like, looking at, like, so where can we go in the world?
53:05And I'm just like, oh, Mr. and Mrs. Smith again?
53:08Like, please stop.
53:10Leave me alone.
53:12Instagram?
53:13A lot of food, a lot of recipes.
53:14Yeah.
53:15That's a good one.
53:16Yeah.
53:16Among other weird shit.
53:19Yeah.
53:20But consistently, you know, some good food.
53:22Do you make the food?
53:23Do you actually?
53:23Yeah, I do.
53:24I haven't been cooking lately, but yeah, I, you know, pull down, I download recipes off
53:30of Instagram more and more.
53:31And that's videos.
53:31It's just coming.
53:32Isn't it that, like, when you get that little taste of, like, oh, my.
53:35Oh, my God, look at that focaccia with rosemary.
53:37Oh.
53:38By this.
53:39And then you click on it.
53:40It's like, you can do that.
53:42You really can do that.
53:43It really is that easy.
53:45I've done that many times.
53:46You sure?
53:47Yeah, it's so good.
53:49Yeah.
53:49Yeah.
53:50Anyone else has one?
53:52Mine is a mixture of, so I was doing Music on Broadway last year, Cabaret, and I keep
53:57tabs on how the cast are all doing via their Instagram thing, so there's a lot of Kit Kat
54:03Club content.
54:05And Stanley Tucci.
54:06And Stanley Tucci.
54:08Just Stanley Tucci.
54:08Delightful.
54:08Because Stanley Tucci just always makes me happy.
54:11Great.
54:12That show he did on food?
54:14Yeah.
54:15It's amazing.
54:16There's a new one coming.
54:17I saw there's a gigantic poster on Sunset.
54:21It's new Italy.
54:22I mean, he's got something right, touring across Italy, teaching us how to make negros.
54:26Yeah, he figured it out.
54:28Great game.
54:29He makes me happy, too.
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54:40What a joy.
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