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Ben Swann, award-winning investigative journalist and founder of Truth in Media, joins RT to unpack the growing comparison between Donald Trump and George W. Bush, as critics now label him "Bush 3.0" ๐Ÿง ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ. As war rhetoric and military interventions ramp up, Swann dives into why Trump's recent decisions mirror the neocon agenda once pushed under Bush โ€” from Middle East strikes to regime change talk โš ๏ธ.

This interview explores the blurring lines between past and present U.S. foreign policy, and what it means for Americaโ€™s role in an increasingly unstable world ๐ŸŒ.

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00:00Well, to get more on this story now, we're crossed live by Ben Swan, investigative journalist and
00:04founder of the channel Truth in Media. Ben, thanks for joining us on the program. First of all,
00:09I want to ask you about this coincidental pause that the U.S. has made in talks with Russia,
00:17just as we're seeing this escalation between Iran and Israel right now. What do you make of that?
00:23Well, I have a couple of sources inside the administration who tell me that it actually
00:28came from President Putin's call directly to President Trump on Sunday, and that there were
00:34people inside the White House who were very upset about this because they did not know that call
00:38was coming. It was not a scheduled call, and it created a lot of angst. Remember, there is an
00:43incredible force inside of this administration that many of us did not realize was as powerful as it is
00:51that is pushing for this war, and it's pushing out any voices of clarity and any voices of sanity
00:57at this point. And so the fact that President Putin picked up the phone, that he called President
01:01Trump and wanted to negotiate some kind of a ceasefire or peace between Iran and Israel,
01:08and the fact that that angered so many people in the administration enough that immediately after
01:13that, the bilateral talks scheduled for Monday were canceled, I think tells you a lot about what's
01:18going on right now. I feel very strongly that this president has been isolated and is making
01:25decisions that do not reflect really any of the campaign promises he made that got him elected
01:30by one of the largest majorities in Republican history. Well, those forces that you're talking
01:37about there, they must be pretty strong if you have, of course, Tulsi Gabbard, national security
01:42advisor, saying there's no nuclear weapons in Iran and for him to say publicly that he doesn't care what
01:48she has to say about that. I mean, do you think Trump understands the consequences that could ensue
01:53if the U.S. joins Israel? They start targeting Iranian facilities and military bases? Obviously,
01:59it's going to evoke a reaction to the many U.S. bases that are around the Middle East.
02:04I would remind people of the fact that in 2015, Donald Trump, 10 years ago, in fact,
02:10the anniversary of him going down the golden escalator 10 years ago to announce he was running
02:14for president in 2015. He was able to stand out from the crowd who, by the way, that crowded
02:20Republican race at the time was led by a guy named Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida.
02:27And the way that Donald Trump stood out in debates was he attacked Jeb Bush. Why? Because he said
02:31that Jeb's brother, George W. Bush, the president of the United States, had dragged the U.S. into a
02:37failure of a war. And it was his attack of the Iraq war. The only Republican in that presidential
02:43election to actually call out the Iraq war made Donald Trump popular. It made him stand out. It
02:49ultimately led to him winning the presidency not once, but now twice. And it's because of that
02:54stance that so many people from, you know, Republicans to independents to libertarians to even
03:01former Democrats came over and built this coalition around him that got him elected this last time around.
03:07Donald Trump spent more time talking about peace and being the peace president than anyone has done
03:13probably since Jimmy Carter, maybe more so than even Carter did. It is remarkable that he would
03:18make these statements and now suddenly, to your point, turns around and is asked about the fact
03:24that Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence just two months ago, said there is
03:29no evidence that Iran is building a nuclear weapon, has not been given orders to do so, that the supreme
03:34leader has not signed off on it. They're not building a nuclear weapon. And he says, I don't care what
03:40she says. I believe they are. Why? I mean, where is this coming from? And I think for so many Americans
03:47and especially the Americans who voted for him, listen, people are saying MAGA is splitting. MAGA is not
03:52splitting. A split sounds like you're going 50-50. There is an America First group that's probably 80% of his
03:58coalition. And there's a very small group, 10, 15, maybe 20%, who are in support of this idea of a
04:05regime change war. But I don't even know if the number is that high. But it's certainly, at least
04:0980% of his backing says, we don't want this. We literally voted against this, Mr. President.
04:15And the way he's talking to immediately say Iran must immediately surrender, it's, people are calling
04:21him George W. Trump, Bush 3.0. It's stunning to see this happen in the first couple of months of his
04:29presidency. I'm glad you brought up the fact that obviously Donald Trump ran on a peacemaker's
04:36platform last time around. Let's play a quick clip of what he said on the campaign trail before he
04:42was elected. Let's take a listen. My proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker and unifier.
04:50That's what I want to be, a peacemaker and a unifier. We will be a nation like no other,
04:55full of compassion, courage, and exceptionalism. Our power will stop all wars and bring a new spirit
05:02of unity to a world that has been angry, violent, and totally unpredictable. America will be respected
05:10again and admired again. So considering what's going on right now, I mean, that's a really
05:16different Donald Trump that we're seeing right now. We're seeing now a Donald Trump that is
05:21essentially threatening the supreme leader of Iran with assassination. What do you think is going to
05:28come out of this? Listen, I'm hoping, and this is just my hope, I could be proven absolutely wrong.
05:35The president says he's going to address, in a couple of hours here, he's going to address the
05:39American people and with a major address. I am praying that that major address is not what we
05:44saw happen when George W. Bush went in front of the country and told them we were going to war in Iraq.
05:48I'm hoping that it is not a, we're about to go to war with Iran. But to see this president now
05:54talking this way is, it's beyond stunning. It's beyond being shell-shocked by him, because I don't
06:00actually believe that this president doesn't want to be the peace president. I think the things he said
06:05on the campaign trail were true, that he wanted to be a president who led in peace. Listen, I have
06:09five children. My two oldest kids are 25 and 24. They do not remember a United States of America that
06:17has not been at war in the Middle East. They do not remember a United States of America that's not been
06:22bogged down in some international war, an endless war. And we finally have a president who is elected to
06:29office who says it won't happen anymore. It's time to focus on America. America first. Let's bring
06:36prosperity back. Let's live at peace with the rest of the world. Why are we fighting with Russia? Let's get
06:40along with Russia so that they can be prosperous and we can be prosperous. Why are we fighting with Iran?
06:45Let's get along with Iran. That's what he was saying. I believe he actually believes those things.
06:49Where this is coming from, I have no idea. But I will tell you this. I believe very strongly the Israelis are
06:54doing so much more. Netanyahu is doing so much more than just stoking this. They're lying. They are
07:01constantly coming up with reports about how Trump was involved. Trump was part of a trick plot to
07:08make the Iranians believe he wanted to negotiate peace. And then they got them all. I don't believe
07:12any of that's true. And my sources are telling me that none of that is true. That this president did not
07:17know that Israel was going to lead the strike when they did. That members of the United States military,
07:22the CIA, they knew. But the president himself did not know. That's why when the president found out
07:27about Israel's attempt to assassinate the Supreme Leader, stopped it at the time. But now today he
07:34talks about how he might do it himself. So I think there are a lot of people who are just stunned by
07:39this and can't believe because it's not that they were hoodwinked. They don't think they were hoodwinked.
07:44So they're trying to figure out what is the force that has caused this shift because this is not
07:50what got this president elected. Listen, people wanted World War Three. They would have voted
07:54Harris. If people wanted World War Three and they wanted to see Iran toppled and they wanted to see
07:59an ongoing war in Ukraine and continued fighting with Russia, we just would have stuck with what
08:05we had. There's a reason that the American people turned out in record numbers to vote for this
08:10president. He's not only blowing it for himself, though. He's blowing it for the future of the
08:15Republican Party. The coalition he has built will be destroyed. This coalition of independents and
08:22former Democrats and people like Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy, this coalition will be completely
08:31destroyed. The chance of a MAGA candidate like a J.D. Vance, his political career is over if this
08:38happens because there's no way he's able to run and say, I, too, will be pro-peace and then get into
08:43office. And maybe, Donald, maybe that's what this is really about. Maybe the goal here isn't just about
08:51Iran. Maybe we're short-sighted to think that the strategy here is just about toppling Iran and
08:56creating another regime change war. And maybe it's just the military industrial complex. Maybe the real
09:02ploy here is to absolutely destroy this movement that this president built, because if he does announce
09:09today or tomorrow in the next couple of days, that the United States will enter a war, another war in
09:15the Middle East, topple another country and drag us into another boondoggle, he has effectively killed
09:20everything he built for the last 10 years. Well, if that happens, if what you're talking about actually
09:27materializes and the MAGA movement, let's say, loses faith in Donald Trump as the peacemaker that they
09:34elected him to be. I mean, I'm not sure they'll go back to the Democrats, right? What do you think
09:39would happen during the next election cycle if the people feel like they can't trust neither Trump
09:45nor the Democratic Party? Well, they won't go to the Democrats, so they'll just completely opt out
09:50of the system. Listen, one of the things that made Trump successful this time around is he brought back
09:55what are called low-propensity voters, people who don't vote anymore because they'd given up on the
10:00system. And he convinced them to come back in, especially young men convincing them to come back
10:05and to vote. The minority groups that he brought in to vote for him, he brought in so many people
10:11who weren't voting before, they just go back to not voting. They step out of the process again. They
10:16walk away. They say, well, we were fooled into thinking that something could actually change.
10:20And I think that's the most disappointing thing about what's happening right now. This isn't just an
10:24issue of this president. It's about disaffecting so many tens of millions of people who thought they
10:33actually had a shot of ridding themselves of this deep state apparatus, of ridding themselves of these
10:38endless wars, ridding themselves of the uniparty. They thought that they had something different here.
10:43And listen, Trump did something amazing. The fact that he brought in someone like a J.D. Vance as his
10:47vice president, Tulsi Gabbard was part of the campaign and administration, now being dismissed.
10:52Tucker Carlson, who was out there pushing for this president as a president of peace,
10:57now being called kooky and dismissed. You see so many people who surrounded this president
11:01and there was a real coalition of something different. And that will completely go away.
11:06And by the way, I can also tell you this. Next election, forget about the next presidential
11:10election. Next election, the midterms, Trump loses the House. He loses his Senate. He completely
11:15loses control of that because Republicans won't come out. He's going to lose the coalition of people
11:20to vote. It's not about them going to the other party. It's about them just quitting the process
11:23altogether. That's what's about to happen. All right. Ben Swan, investigative journalist and
11:28founder of Truth in Media Channel. Thanks a lot for joining us. And it's always a pleasure
11:35for having you on the program.
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