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In a 35-minute phone conversation, Prime Minister Modi clarified to US President Trump that America had no role in brokering the India-Pakistan ceasefire.
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00:00Hello and welcome. Good evening. You're watching Super 6. I'm Akshra Tananthakopal.
00:03And this evening we're talking about Prime Minister Modi's 35-minute conversation with US President Donald Trump.
00:10What's the big headline that's emerged from that conversation?
00:13Well, for starters, in those 35 minutes, Prime Minister Modi has set the record straight
00:17on Trump constantly claiming credit for the ceasefire between India and Pakistan.
00:22Does this mean, essentially, we're going to finally see Trump stop all of the comments
00:27that he's been resorting to on social media about how he brokered a deal,
00:30used trade to ensure ceasefire and whatnot.
00:33We're going to be talking about that and the politics that's broken out
00:36over this conversation between Prime Minister Modi and Trump.
00:39Here are the headlines first.
00:45Iran's supreme leader slams Trump after America's kill warning.
00:50Khamenei says Iran won't surrender, calls US President's warning absurd rhetoric.
00:57Prime Minister Modi dials Trump, calls out US truce bluff.
01:0535 minutes of Modi plain speak for Trump with a big message to Trump saying you had no role
01:11in the truce.
01:12Trump to host Pakistan jihadi general Aasim Munir for lunch, days after Trump's
01:17family linked Pakistan crypto deal, PAK Army chief Munir visiting Ameri
01:21Trump to host Pakistan jihadi general Aasim Munir for lunch, days after Trump's family linked
01:31Pakistan crypto deal, PAK Army chief Munir visiting Ameri
01:35Big thaw in India, Canada ties Canada to move to appoint high commissioners again.
01:54India, Canada ties Canada to move to appoint high commissioners again.
01:57Mark Carney responds to India today's question on India, Canada ties.
02:01I think the meeting today was important, but I would describe it as foundational, as a necessary
02:10first step, an exchange of views, frank, open exchange of views around law enforcement,
02:16transnational repression, it's two examples, an agreement to provide the necessary foundations
02:21to begin to rebuild a relationship.
02:24Prime Minister Modi touches down in Croatia to a warm welcome from the Indian diaspora.
02:33Prime Minister Modi is the first ever Indian Prime Minister to visit Zagreb.
02:37Prime Minister Modi is the first ever Indian Prime Minister to visit Zagreb.
02:51And crash to Air India, plane's engine was replaced three months ago, now central to probe.
02:56Dreamliner had last undergone a detailed maintenance check in June 2023.
03:00A 35-minute conversation between Prime Minister Modi and US President Trump took place this
03:12morning via telephone.
03:13And there's been clear messaging from India on all the ceasefire lies being spread by Trump.
03:18How do we do that?
03:19Well, Prime Minister Modi sent across a message to Trump to stop all of his claims on brokering
03:26a ceasefire between India and Pakistan, and he's done that repeatedly.
03:29In the 35-minute conversation, the focus was on Operation Sindur, on all the ceasefire talk
03:35and on the Pehal Gaan terror attack.
03:37And let's be very clear, this was the need of the hour because of the number of times
03:42that Trump has mentioned that he brokered a ceasefire between India and Pakistan.
03:48And let's put that out also for you, of how many times Trump essentially has spoken
03:52about how he was the one who ensured a ceasefire.
03:57It started with May 10th, when even before any announcement was made between India and
04:00Pakistan, Trump announced saying, please to announce a ceasefire.
04:04And he said that India and Pakistan have agreed to a full ceasefire.
04:07Now, when that communication came across first on May 10th, it was assumed almost as if Trump
04:11had spoken to both leaders and that's what had ensured a ceasefire.
04:15And soon after that, details came out.
04:17It was very clear that Pakistan had sought a ceasefire, which is why it had happened.
04:21But Trump went on with the ceasefire rhetoric.
04:23On May 11th, he went on to even add another claim that it was because he used trade as
04:30a tool to ensure the ceasefire between India and Pakistan.
04:34Every single day since May 10th, as we're showing you on 11th, on 12th, in the days ahead also,
04:40Donald Trump continued making all of these comments saying that he stepped in, his team stepped
04:46in to stop a nuclear conflict and that they ensured that by going ahead and referring to
04:51a trade deal, there was a ceasefire that was ensured.
04:55Now, despite constant clarifications from India, Trump continued putting out this rhetoric.
05:01Nothing stopped him.
05:01And on social media, every chance he got, even in, in fact, public platforms, he'd spoken
05:07about how he had helped the ceasefire take place, which is why perhaps the need of the
05:11hour was for Prime Minister Modi to directly speak to Trump and say, look, this is not a
05:16what happened.
05:17And then essentially what Prime Minister Modi did in that conversation with Trump is he's
05:22made it clear what happened, what led to the ceasefire between India and Pakistan.
05:27So a timeline, which India has repeatedly reiterated, was actually communicated to Trump.
05:33What was that timeline?
05:35Operation Sindhuur, of course, was launched on May 6th.
05:38Now, immediately, as per due diplomatic channels, on May 7th, NSA Ajit Dawal briefed his U.S.
05:45counterpart, Marco Rubio, which is how it should be.
05:48NSA Ajit Dawal spoke to his counterpart.
05:51Now, right after that, you also had Rubio speaking to the External Affairs Minister, Jai
05:56Shankar.
05:57The NSA also spoke to the Pakistan Prime Minister, Shahbaz Sharif.
06:01On May 9th, and this is the only time that there was a conversation between Prime Minister
06:05Modi and someone at a top official in the United States.
06:08Who was that official?
06:09It was U.S.
06:09Vice President J.D.
06:10Vance.
06:11At no point was there a conversation with Trump.
06:13But at this point even, again, there was no talk of ceasefire.
06:16Vance reportedly in that conversation warned that there's going to be a major Pakistani
06:21counter-strike, to which Prime Minister Modi conveyed to Vice President Vance that India
06:26will respond with even greater force, that we're not backing off just because Pakistan
06:30may hit us.
06:31So it was very clear that even in that conversation, India said, nothing doing.
06:35We're not stopping.
06:37So what changed in 24 hours?
06:38On May 10th, the reason India agreed to a ceasefire is because there was a request from
06:43Pakistan.
06:44A call from the Pakistan DGMO, the Director General of Military Operations, is what got
06:49the wheels turning and the ceasefire happening.
06:52So there was no third party mediation whatsoever.
06:55India's stand on that has been very, very clear.
06:57This is the timeline we have stuck to.
06:59This is the timeline that Prime Minister Modi has actually conveyed to Trump.
07:03Imagine that.
07:04The US President being told who in his team actually spoke to the Prime Minister and what
07:09exactly happened in an effort to ensure that no longer do you see Trump taking to social
07:14media and making non-stop comments about having mediated a ceasefire between India and Pakistan.
07:20You had no role in India-Pakistan's ceasefire.
07:29No mention of trade in talks with US.
07:34India can hit Pakistan harder for terror.
07:37Prime Minister Narendra Modi's hard-hitting phone call with US President Donald Trump.
07:4335 minutes of telephonic conversation which demolished Trump's repeated claims of brokering
07:49India-Pakistan truce.
07:51Prime Minister Modi told Donald Trump that India has opted for ceasefire only after Pakistan
07:58begged and groveled.
08:28Modi's message to Trump was clear that India's bold new doctrine will consider terror attacks
08:34as not proxy war but war.
08:37Modi also conveyed that India has picked only terror hubs for strikes.
08:43Prime Minister Modi also declined a request by President Trump for an impromptu stopover
08:48at White House after the G7 meet, citing prior engagements.
08:52He, however, invited Donald Trump to visit India, which the US President has accepted.
08:59Will the phone call redefine Modi-Trump dosti, which has been tested by Donald Trump actively
09:18quoting Pakistan.
09:19Bureau Report, India Today.
09:21Okay, so clearly in that conversation of 35 minutes, Prime Minister Modi's setting the
09:28record straight.
09:29And like I said, this was the need of the hour.
09:32Let's run you through some of the big takeaways that emerged from this particular conversation.
09:36It's the first time, essentially, that Prime Minister Modi's spoken tough to President Trump
09:41on this particular issue.
09:43Several takeaways that emerged from that conversation.
09:45First, like I said, India set the record straight for the world on mediation claims.
09:50Far too many times you had this conversation of Trump speaking about mediation, telling the
09:56world.
09:56And so India now setting the record straight on that.
09:59India also making it clear that amid all of this mediation talk and ceasefire happening
10:03because US went ahead and claimed there'd be no trade deal, none of that happened.
10:07That in none of these conversations was trade ever mentioned, even in the conversation between
10:12Prime Minister Modi and Vice President Vance.
10:14That's messaging to Trump, essentially, to stop the loose dog.
10:17There's no guarantee it's going to happen.
10:19At the end of the day, it's Donald Trump.
10:20The Indian administration recognizes that, that there's no way anyone can stop him from
10:25going ahead and making the comments that he wants to make.
10:27But the message has been sent across very clear that this will not happen, that Trump,
10:32America, cannot take any credit for the ceasefire.
10:35If you notice the tone of Trump's comments, he's repeatedly attempted to take credit and claimed
10:40that America as a world leader has been putting out fires everywhere, including
10:44between India and Pakistan.
10:46That's something India has said you cannot do.
10:48There's no credit that goes to America for this because there's no question of third party
10:52mediation as far as this entire issue goes.
10:56It's been very clear our stated position on India and Pakistan and on the conflict is that
11:01this is between two parties.
11:02There's no question of another country intervening no matter how much Trump wants to do it.
11:07So a red line on loose talk has been drawn.
11:10But at the same time, this doesn't mean that this is going to be some sort of, you know,
11:15soaring point between India and America.
11:17That friendship continues.
11:19It's crucial for both countries.
11:21And we recognize that.
11:22What we've done essentially in this conversation again shows our well-crafted diplomacy in the
11:28matter.
11:28The fact that Prime Minister Modi extended an invite to Trump for Quad and Trump has accepted
11:33saying he's excited to visit India.
11:35But at the same time, in that same conversation, when Trump invited Prime Minister Modi to make
11:41a stopover visit in America while he's in Canada before he headed to Croatia, to make
11:46a stopover visit in America, that was something that Prime Minister Modi politely shot down.
11:52So while shooting down Trump's invite, ensuring Trump accepts our invite, well-crafted diplomacy
11:57for you right there.
11:59Let me bring in our reporters on this broadcast.
12:01From India Today Global, we have Pranay Upadhyay, who's tracking all the latest on what really
12:06happened in that conversation.
12:08We've also got Rohit Sharma joining us from Washington, D.C. on how this news really, and
12:12this tough talk by Prime Minister Modi to Trump, has been perceived in America.
12:17Pranay, I'm going to begin with you on what led to this conversation happening, Pranay.
12:22How and what was the tone really used by the Prime Minister?
12:25You know, was this hard talk drawing the line?
12:27Because we've seen far too many comments by Trump and very loose comments at that on
12:31the ceasefire.
12:32Akshita, President Donald Trump might be anxious.
12:36He might be, you know, craving for showing any trophy or any achievement of his foreign
12:40policy because he has none so far, because he might have tried to broker a peace deal
12:44between Israel and Hamas, which did not happen.
12:46He might have tried to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, which did not happen.
12:51So that's why he was craving to have a byline to show some achievement here.
12:55And that's why, if you see, if you notice the statement given by the Foreign Secretary
12:59Vikram Misri here, stating the account of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's phone call with
13:04President Donald Trump, he mentioned that this is the first phone call after the 22nd
13:09of April.
13:09Definitely, you know, after the Operation Sindhur, this is the first phone call, a direct
13:14call between President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and that too, at
13:18the initiation of the, of President Donald Trump, because it was the US side which requested.
13:23This meeting was scheduled to take place in Canada.
13:26And since, because President Donald Trump changed his schedule, he cut short his visit
13:31to Canada and he went back to Washington, D.C.
13:33And therefore, this meeting could not take place.
13:35But however, if, even if this meeting would have taken place, Prime Minister Narendra Modi
13:40would have said the same thing right across, sitting across him.
13:44And I have been a witness to similar event.
13:46Similar thing happened, Akshita, and let me, let me read one, one post of President Donald
13:53Trump.
13:54This, this shows the contradictions and, you know, the inconsistency of President Donald
13:58Trump's policy.
13:59In 2018, President Donald Trump tweeted, and he said that we no longer pay Pakistan the
14:04billions of dollars because they would take our money and do nothing for us, Bin Laden
14:08being a prime example, and Pakistan being another.
14:12This is what President Donald Trump's views about Pakistan.
14:15Months later, this was, you know, in 2018, months later, when he sat across with the
14:20then Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan, he offered to have mediation.
14:24But only a few weeks after that, in Biarritz, France, on the same platform of G7, when Prime
14:30Minister Narendra Modi sat across with President Donald Trump, I was witness to that moment.
14:35And there also, the Prime Minister Narendra Modi politely declined and shut down this offer
14:40of mediation by the United States and President Donald Trump.
14:42You know, so essentially there was a need.
14:43So President Donald Trump might be thinking, we might be thinking, we might.
14:44There was a need for this kind of messaging to be sent across to Donald Trump.
14:47And I'll bring in Rohit Sharma on this.
14:48Rohit, there's of course no guarantee that Trump is going to stop any of the comments that
14:52he makes at ceasefire.
14:53You can never say with Trump what he's going to do or say next or post next, for that matter.
14:58But how is really this kind of conversation being viewed in America, Rohit?
15:03Is it something that the White House also has acknowledged, that India set the record straight
15:07on the timeline and the conversations that were had?
15:10Well, look, the White House has officially not commented on, actually, I reached out to
15:14somebody and they said there would be a readout later in the day.
15:17They obviously are focused on the evolving situation in Iran.
15:21It was pretty late in the night when this call took place.
15:24But I think from India's standpoint, this is a very important phone call.
15:28And as Pranay was pointing out, this was needed.
15:32There's been a lot of talk about how the ceasefire was achieved, what was President Trump's
15:36control. And it was important that Prime Minister Netanyahu Modi put this on the record directly
15:41to President Trump. And it's also created some waves here in the Western media.
15:45You know, we've seen a flurry of articles in the morning, posts on social media about what
15:51Prime Minister Netanyahu Modi told.
15:53And I'm pretty sure President Trump would get asked about it in his media briefing, which it does
15:57daily almost. So somebody is going to bring it up with him and we'll have to wait and watch
16:00what he says. But yes, you know, as you said, this might not be end of the conversation.
16:06I think President Trump would obviously want to say something or add his own statement to the
16:12phone call. But very important, again, the fact that this is happening on a day when the Pakistani
16:17chief of staff is going to meet President Trump at the White House. So, yes, there is a lot of buzz
16:22around this. And I'm pretty sure the White House will put out a statement whenever they're ready
16:26to do. OK, so we'll watch out for that statement. And as Rohit says, usually there's almost a daily
16:32briefing of sorts and interaction with President Trump. So we'll see what he has to say and whether
16:37the White House in their statement will also acknowledge the fact that Prime Minister Modi
16:41in India has sent across a message that U.S. had absolutely no role to play the ceasefire
16:46between India and Pakistan. Thank you very much, Rohit, for your time and for joining us here
16:50on India Today. Speaking of really the reactions that have come in domestically in the country,
16:55you're seeing a lot of politics, Congress questioning Prime Minister Modi over the phone call. But
17:00here's what happened. What Jairam Ramesh of the Congress did while speaking to the media is he
17:05pulled out a statement, a U.S. statement. But it turns out that that was actually an old statement
17:11with which Jairam Ramesh slammed Prime Minister Modi. He later backtracked after BGP came out
17:17and fact-checked him. Details in our report.
17:20Prime Minister Narendra Modi's hard-hitting phone call to U.S. President Donald Trump
17:29where Modi rebutted Trump's claim on brokering India-Pakistan peace. The news of Modi's retort
17:37to Trump's repeated claims was met with sneering by Congress, which claimed that U.S. is silent on
17:43Modi's phone call. Congress also cited Pakistan Army Chief's luncheon meet with President Trump,
17:50claiming this as another sign of deepening U.S.-Pakistan ties. Congress claimed India was being sidelined diplomatically.
17:57There is a direct link between the inflammatory, incendiary and provocative remarks made by
18:05Field Marshal Aasem Munir and the April 22nd Pergam terror attacks. And this very man
18:11is invited for a lunch by President Trump in the White House. This is a setback for Indian diplomacy.
18:18But Congress was accused of faking the U.S. readout as BGP highlighted that Congress had used a January
18:272025 readout to attack Modi. BGP claimed that while the U.S. has itself not come out with any readout,
18:35the Congress is amplifying a lie against Modi.
18:37I don't want to dignify the Congress party's ongoing, you know, hallucinatory, I would call it
18:44hallucinatory, fake narratives that they go and put on. But through all this, I get the feeling
18:52they're always looking for some way in which they can show India down.
18:57We know Prime Minister Narendra Mohdiji. We have seen him as Prime Minister for the last 11 years.
19:01He will never, ever, for any political opportunity, opportunistic politics, for any reason,
19:08compromise what he believes is the interest of India. So the only people who believe the lies
19:13of the Congress party and Rahul Gandhi in terms of this U.S. mediation theory were the clowns
19:19who support the Congress party.
19:22BJP has shared chat from U.S. Embassy where U.S. is also denied readout.
19:26As the political war of words escalates, the Modi-Trump call has become a fresh flashpoint,
19:34not just in diplomacy, but on the domestic front as well.
19:37With Aishwarya Paliwal, Bureau Report, India Today.
19:43Okay, let's talk about the other big focus here, which is that at 10.30 p.m. tonight,
19:49India time, you're going to be seeing the Pakistan Army Chief, Asim Munir, sitting down
19:54for a private closed lunch with President Donald Trump at the White House.
20:00So you've got the U.S. President actually hosting the Chief of Army Staff of Pakistan.
20:05What really explains that?
20:07And this is also, the timing of it, extremely crucial because as I told you,
20:10it's coming right after the conversation, the phone call that Prime Minister Modi had
20:14with Donald Trump about strong messaging on terror.
20:17And yet, clearly, this is duplicity being shown by America at a time when there are rising
20:23tensions of West Asia.
20:24Perhaps that's the only reason America is looking at getting Pakistan on their side as well.
20:29Remember, Iran's top general just days ago claimed that Pakistan would retaliate with
20:33nuclear weapons against Israel if Tehran were attacked.
20:37An assertion denied by Pakistan's defense minister, who said no such commitment was made.
20:42Pakistani U.S. national staged a protest yesterday denouncing Munir as the butcher of Islamabad.
20:50And that's the moment there where, in fact, they called him a mass murderer.
20:54They called him a dictator as he walked by.
20:57But essentially, Trump is going ahead and giving Asim Munir a platform where he's going
21:03to be meeting him at the White House.
21:05And let me again reiterate, he's not the head of the nation.
21:08He's the chief of army staff, but it speaks volumes, really, of who essentially calls the
21:13shots in Pakistan.
21:15He's getting a closed-door lunch meeting with Donald Trump.
21:19And two takeaways on that.
21:20One, questions will be asked about what really the U.S.'s stand is on park terror.
21:25Are they going to be condemning it?
21:26Second, whether President Trump, by inviting a Pakistani army chief, someone who's clearly
21:33openly shielded terrorists, by inviting him into the White House, is actually going ahead
21:38and bringing down the dignity of the president's office of the White House in America.
21:44But that's an America problem that they will have to address after this closed-door lunch.
21:48There's a lot of talk that perhaps it's also because of Trump's family's own vested interests
21:52that he is going ahead and hosting the Pakistani army chief in the White House.
21:57But let's unmask Asim Munir for you.
21:59Let me play out for you the statement that he made just days before the Pahalgam terror
22:04attack, where he went ahead and, you know, spoke of Hindus and Muslims, spoke of Kashmir
22:11as Pakistan's juggler-wain.
22:13Mind you, this is the Pakistan army chief, the very same man who's now going to be meeting
22:17with Donald Trump for a lunch.
22:19Well, our four fathers thought that we are different from the Hindus in every possible
22:33aspect of life.
22:34Our religion is different.
22:36Our customs are different.
22:37Our traditions are different.
22:39Our thoughts are different.
22:40Our ambitions are different.
22:42That was the foundation of the two-nation theory that was laid there, that we are two nations.
22:47We are not one nation.
22:49So because of that, our forefathers, they struggled, mounted that incessant struggle to create this
22:55country.
22:56Our forefathers, they have sacrificed immensely.
23:00And we have sacrificed a lot for the creation of this country.
23:04And we know how to defend it.
23:06My dear brothers and sisters and sons and daughters, please don't forget the story of Pakistan.
23:14And don't forget to narrate the story of Pakistan to your next generation.
23:18So that their bond with Pakistan, it never weakens.
23:22Whether it is the third generation or the fourth generation or the fifth generation, they know
23:27that what Pakistan is for them.
23:28Thank you very much.
23:58So one of the factors that we must consider as to why America is so desperate for Pakistan
24:05support, why is Trump hosting the Pakistan army chief, is because of what's happening
24:10in West Asia.
24:11And the fact that U.S. is trying to break that access, the support that Iran has.
24:16Pakistan's location gives U.S. strategic access near Iran.
24:20If it comes to military action, America will also be looking to getting Pakistan support
24:26in kind of firing at Iran.
24:29Because Pakistan's location is something that's critical for U.S.
24:31Park Intel can support America's operations against Iran.
24:36U.S. is hoping that with Pakistan not, and making it very clear that they're not going
24:41to help Iran, which they've, by the way, put out in a detailed statement.
24:44They are hoping that it means that they can get them to switch over and help America.
24:48U.S. may even go ahead and use the Pakistani navy to pile pressure on Iran by sending across
24:55a message to Iran that they're not just isolated, but militarily have no support, that the Pakistan
25:00navy is also on America's side.
25:02Now, Pakistani ties to Sunni terror groups can destabilize Shia Iran.
25:08And again, this will be back-channel talks, essentially, that can take place if America
25:13manages to convince Pakistan.
25:14And Pakistan has played its game very cleverly when it comes to America, which is how, at
25:19this point, it's come to the stage where America is essentially looking to Pakistan, their
25:24help, where they can use their Pakistani airspace, they can use their bases if it comes
25:30down to military action against Iran.
25:32So, looking at what's happening, essentially, between Iran and Israel, that's perhaps why
25:37America is looking to Pakistan's support.
25:41But let's put out two pictures for you.
25:43There are questions being asked right now about what this means for India.
25:46That two months after the Pergam terror attack, you've got Trump going out and platforming
25:50this man, Asim Muneer, in such a massive way.
25:54Remember when the Indian MP delegation had visited America?
25:57They met with the U.S. Vice President, J.D. Vance.
26:00This was a delegation handpicked by the government.
26:03President Trump didn't find the need to meet them and yet chooses to meet with the Pakistan
26:07Army Chief, Asim Muneer.
26:09And so there are questions being asked, really, about not just what this means for India,
26:13about what exactly America's positioning is on an issue like terror.
26:18Let me bring in Gaurav Savant, who's been tracking the G7 for us.
26:21He's joining us from Canada.
26:23Gaurav, what do you make of, you know, this meeting between Trump and Asim Muneer?
26:28To you, why does America really need or, you know, want Pakistan supported this time?
26:33It appears Pakistan and Pakistan's Field Marshal Asim Muneer are once again being used by the
26:40United States of America.
26:42As this conflict between Israel and Iran intensifies, the United States would require additional
26:48bases in the region to target Iran from multiple sides.
26:52And all accounts seem to indicate that the United States may play a much bigger role in
26:58the Israel-Iran war in the days ahead.
27:00And that is why America is trying to shore up defenses in Pakistan.
27:06Now, what will America do?
27:07Use Pakistan's airspace and also perhaps use their air bases.
27:12This would be for intelligence operations.
27:14This would also be for surveillance, what is known as ISR, intelligence surveillance and
27:19reconnaissance.
27:20It could also be used to mount offensive action against Iran.
27:25And just take this into consideration, Iran considers Pakistan a friend.
27:31You know, there are leaders in Iran who have said that in case there's an attack on Iran,
27:35Pakistan will come to Iran's defense.
27:37On the contrary, Pakistan may actually be selling out Iran's interests to the United States of
27:43America for their personal interests.
27:45And that is because Pakistan desperately wants to be in America's good books, wants America's
27:51help for resumption of dialogue with India.
27:54And if you recall, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, when Donald Trump sought that conversation
27:59and had a 35-minute long conversation with him, Donald Trump invited him to the United
28:04States of America at a time when Aasem Munir was also there.
28:07But Prime Minister Narendra Modi very tactfully said, we will meet perhaps at a later date when
28:13you come to India for the Quad Summit.
28:14But right now, there are other engagements.
28:16And that is Prime Minister's visit to Croatia before he returns home.
28:20So, this is where Pakistan is being used by the United States of America yet again.
28:27But Gaurav, also, you know, what does this mean for India?
28:30Considering that, you know, you're seeing the Pakistan army chief being platformed by Trump.
28:35Is it a loss of face for India, for Indian diplomacy, Gaurav?
28:38What do you think?
28:38As far as India is concerned, India very clearly has not put all our eggs in the American basket.
28:48And that is why India remains multi-aligned.
28:50America is a very important strategic partner.
28:53But India is not reliant on America for any solutions.
28:57Even when Donald Trump claimed that he'd played a critical role in ensuring a ceasefire and
29:02use trade as a leverage, India countered it every time from the foreign office to the
29:08foreign secretary to the foreign minister.
29:11And now, you've had Prime Minister Narendra Modi in a direct conversation with the US
29:15president making it very clear there was no conversation on trade.
29:18There was no role that the United States played in ensuring a ceasefire between India and
29:23Pakistan because this is India's stated position.
29:25There cannot be any third-party intervention on Jammu and Kashmir.
29:29There cannot be any third-party intervention when it comes to Pakistan.
29:34As far as Operation Sindhu is concerned, as Prime Minister Narendra Modi very clearly told
29:38President Trump, this is the new normal.
29:40In case there's a proxy war, it'll be seen as an act of war.
29:44In case there's terror, there will be a response.
29:46That conversation that US Vice President Jerry Vance had with Prime Minister Narendra Modi
29:50when he said his intelligence inputs were that Pakistan is planning something big.
29:55India said if they are, India is planning to retaliate in something which would be even bigger.
30:02And that's exactly what we've seen.
30:04Look at India's template in Operation Sindhu.
30:06India was able to decimate not just nine terror base camps and launch pads, including the headquarters
30:13of Lashkar-e-Taiba at Mureetke and Jaish-e-Mohamed at Bahawalpur.
30:17But when Pakistan escalated trying to target military installations in India, India hit back targeting
30:2311 air bases in Pakistan, making them inoperable.
30:27And multiple radar stations and military contornments, including Melir contornment in Karachi
30:33and Pasroor and Chuniyan.
30:35So that's the kind of extent of India's power.
30:38It was Pakistan that shot a ceasefire.
30:41And that message, whether it comes out in public domain or not,
30:44at least Pakistani military leadership knows that.
30:46So next time when they try a terror attack,
30:48they would be prepared for something that could be Operation Sindhuur+.
30:52Each time, if you've noticed, there was a surgical strike in 2016 after Pathankot.
30:57There was a Balakot air strike, like one location hit after Pulwama.
31:01And it was 13 plus air bases and radar stations plus nine terror hubs after the terror attack
31:08that took place in Pahalgam.
31:10So India each time hits back much harder.
31:13Pakistan gets that message, you know, for a couple of years, three years, four years,
31:18five years at times.
31:19But you have to keep mowing the grass.
31:21That's the mindset that India must move with.
31:24That's exactly what needs to be done when you're dealing with state-sponsored radical Islamist terror
31:29propagated by the likes of Aasem Munir, who may be supping with Donald Trump.
31:35But there's clear and present danger even for the United States of America
31:38because Pakistan has had a role to play in terror attacks even in the United States of America.
31:45And we wonder if US and America actually recognizes the imminent threat
31:50that Pakistan poses considering how they house so many of these deadly terrorists.
31:54Thanks very much, Gaurav, for joining us with all of those details.
31:58As we track the latest on this, remember, 10.30 p.m.
32:00India Standard Time is when that meeting will take place between Trump and Aasem Munir.
32:05Let's switch back to what's happening between Iran and Israel.
32:07We've got breaking news coming in.
32:09You had the first public statement by Ayatollah Khamenei on live TV.
32:22And moments after that, Israeli jets reportedly struck Lavi Zan.
32:27This is the Tehran neighborhood in which the supreme commander of Iran is rumored to be hiding in.
32:33Iranian media had reported that Khamenei was moved to an underground bunker in Lavi Zan,
32:39located in northeastern Tehran.
32:41And right after that, right after his statement, it's exactly in this location that strikes have been conducted.
32:48And so questions are being asked on whether this is the clearest signaling and messaging from Israel
32:53that they are going after Khamenei, that they are going after the supreme commander of Iran.
32:59This comes after Netanyahu had issued a warning that assassinating the Ayatollah would be the end of the war,
33:07the end of the regime.
33:08And just last night, Trump also dropped a not-so-subtle, bombshell and usual Trump style.
33:14He said, we know where he is. We haven't taken him out yet.
33:17That's the post Trump had put out.
33:19So the message has been very clear from Israel and America.
33:22I want to bring in Pranay Upadhyay for more on this.
33:24Pranay, very clear signaling from the political leadership of Israel and America.
33:29That's followed now by military action also signaling from the Israel military.
33:34What details have you been able to pick up on these strikes in Tehran, Pranay?
33:39Let me give you the update first, Akshita.
33:41As per the latest information and the statement coming out from the idea of Israeli Defense Forces,
33:46that the Israeli Air Force is now attacking Iranian regime's military targets in Tehran area.
33:51So clearly the Tehran area, which is the capital of Iran,
33:55is largely being targeted by the Israeli Air Force.
33:58And the military targets are being engaged by the Israeli Air Force here.
34:02And also, the information which you are picking up is that they are targeting
34:06not only the military headquarters, but also the military leadership,
34:10as well as the political leadership.
34:11This is the big crisis before Iran right now,
34:13at a time when the President of the United States has clearly put onus of de-escalation on Iran
34:19and stating through his social media posts that the unconditional surrender
34:23is the only option available before Iran.
34:26Whether Iran takes that option or not,
34:27because the statement coming out from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei himself,
34:31clearly stating that Iran is prepared for a war.
34:34This is a complete chaotic situation in Iran right now,
34:37because we, as India, also having our concern,
34:41we have around 10,000 people in Iran.
34:43We have started the evacuation process of Indian nationals from Iran.
34:47But still, many Indians are stuck in the different parts of Iran
34:50because there are logistic challenges, because the roads are closed.
34:53Mostly roads are being used by the Iranian military
34:55and for their air defense,
34:57which you call as the pop-up air defense positions in Iran.
35:01So therefore, the military operations by Israel on the Iranian territory
35:06has become a challenge as far as the evacuation operations are concerned.
35:10And also, after 150 hours, or more than 150 hours
35:14of Israeli air operation and air strikes in Iran,
35:17now Israelis are kind of completely dominating the Iranian airspace
35:22because they are hitting whenever they want, wherever they want.
35:24And this complete domination is also a kind of message for Iran.
35:28And Israel has already indicated, Akshita,
35:31that they might go for the Iranian leadership.
35:34And Khamenei, in that statement, said the battle begins.
35:37That was his statement in his first public address since the conflict broke out.
35:42Israel sending across the very same message,
35:44that the battle is underway by going ahead and striking a location
35:46where reportedly the Supreme Commander of Iran is in a hideout.
35:51We are going to track the latest on that.
35:53But as I slip into a short break,
35:55I'll also leave you with some of the images of Prime Minister Modi at the G7 summit.
35:59The G7, of course, has concluded.
36:01There were a number of crucial bilaterals
36:03and some very significant photo ops there
36:06of Prime Minister Modi's bonhomie with world leaders.
36:16Let's get you details of the latest showdown between the
36:46Tamil Nadu government and the Modi government.
36:48This is focused on a location.
36:51This is an excavation site, which you see on your screens, referred to as the Kiriti
36:55excavation site.
36:57It's ignited a fierce political battle.
36:59Here's why.
37:00There's a report by an ASI archaeologist who says that the findings at this excavation
37:05site indicate that there was a civilization here dating back to 5th century, which essentially
37:12is beyond the Indus Valley civilization as well.
37:14So you've got the DMK now stating that this is evidence that must be recognized worldwide
37:20globally, that Tamil dates back much beyond the Indus Valley civilization as well.
37:25The central government, however, has said that the ASI report lacks details.
37:29It doesn't have credible details to go ahead and take into account.
37:33This has led to a showdown so much so that the archaeologist who filed that report has
37:37now been transferred sparking protests in Tamil Nadu.
37:40The latest flashpoint between the Tamil Nadu government and the center over the civilizational
37:49history of Tamil.
37:52This is the Kiriti archaeological site, located in Madurai district.
37:58It is an ancient archaeological site that has garnered significant attention due to its findings.
38:05Excavations have unearthed over 80,000 artefacts, including Tamil Brahmi inscriptions, pottery,
38:14iron tools and beads, suggesting a literate urban civilization dating back to centuries ago.
38:22These discoveries challenge the prevailing historical narratives centred on the Indus Valley civilization.
38:31And here's why it's turned into an ugly political battle.
38:36The DMK has accused the central government of hiding an ASI report that highlights that
38:41this civilization dates back to the 5th century.
38:45The controversy intensified in 2023 when archaeologist Amarnath Ramakrishna, who led the initial excavations,
38:55submitted a comprehensive 982-page report to the Archaeological Survey of India.
39:03However, the ASI has not published the report, citing the need for more scientific evidence.
39:10The findings which you are mentioning about, I'm aware of that, but they are not technically
39:18well supported and established yet.
39:21A lot of the things are to be done before recognizing or giving accreditation to the findings which
39:30are being presented by the archaeologists who had done that survey.
39:36Let them come with more results, with more data, more evidences, more proofs, because only
39:42one finding cannot change the discourse.
39:47And now the very archaeologist who had filed this report has been transferred, leading to
39:54a fresh political attack.
39:55DMK workers staged a protest today in Madurai, accusing the Modi government of attempting to downplay
40:04Tamil civilizational rules.
40:07With elections coming up, the political fight between DMK and BJP is speaking.
40:32KELDI is a very great thing and there is no doubt on that, but any organization has its
40:41own policies, procedures, the way how to do it.
40:45So, that is the reason the government has not rejected it.
40:48The government says that we need more scientific proofs and authentication.
40:52So, if somebody is not there willing to cooperate or doesn't do anything, there are huge people
41:00are there, archaeologists are there, so definitely they will do it.
41:03An archaeologist of the government of India gives a finding based on carbon dating and
41:09a spectrometry test.
41:10Why don't you accept that?
41:12They should be very happy about it.
41:14They should be very proud that in our country, in a place, we have a civilization which is
41:194,500 years old, but they don't seem to take pride in that.
41:22They want to belittle us.
41:23They want to conceal all these things.
41:26That is why we are up in arms against this strategy of the BJP.
41:30Kira Di, that carries answers to an ancient civilization, has now transformed into a reason
41:35for a political fight.
41:37On one end, union government claims that more scientific evidence is required to substantiate
41:42the findings, DMK government calls as nothing but excuses to erase Tamil antiquity, heritage
41:50and is calling it as nothing but a cultural war.
41:53With Divyan, Pramod Madhav, for Israel.
41:56And the politics continues.
42:03Let's get you a statement that's come in from Vijay's party, the Tamaragavetre Karagam.
42:09Vijay has questioned why the center isn't releasing the Kira Di report.
42:13It has also questioned the transfer of the archaeologist behind the report, saying clearly
42:17he was asked to tweak the report and that's why action is being taken against him.
42:20But here's what's interesting.
42:22Vijay hasn't stopped there.
42:23He's also attacked the DMK, saying the DMK is using Tamil constantly for politics.
42:30And that's about it.
42:31I'd like to bring in Pramod Madhav for more details on this.
42:34He's joining us live from Chennai, Pramod in the run-up to the Tamil Nadu assembly election.
42:38Clearly the fight over Tamil now has also taken this entire civilizational turn.
42:43You've got Vijay pitching in, the DMK and the BJP already at it.
42:50It absolutely is, Akshita.
42:51In fact, for the last election, we had the fishermen from Rameshwaram, we had the Kaveri
42:56water issue.
42:57But right now, it looks like we also have added one more subject to this and that is Kira Di.
43:01It is a brilliant site.
43:02It has to be investigated.
43:03There are a lot of questions that could be answered over there, not just for Tamil Nadu,
43:06but for the entire Indian subcontinent about the evolution of human beings in this place
43:11itself, the socio-economic evolution.
43:13But unfortunately, it has turned into a political fight.
43:15And just like you mentioned, now DMK is calling it as a culture of war by the union government.
43:21And the only reason that there are two reasons for that they blame it.
43:23One is the transfer of that particular research officer.
43:26And the second one is about not releasing the particular document.
43:29And in fact, Trichy Siva, who actually we saw speak in Madhav, said that unless the document
43:34is accepted and released by the union government, they will stall the parliament proceedings
43:38and they will disrupt it from happening extra.
43:42Right, Pramod, thanks very much for joining us with all of those details.
43:49All right, let me also get you all of the images coming in from different parts of the country,
43:53particularly from Gujarat that's seen a torrential downpour.
43:56Heavy rains causing severe flooding in Bhavnagar, submerging streets and disrupting daily life.
44:02Videos on your screen shows autos and bikes being swept away.
44:08And let's get you more images from this district where residents have been forced to evacuate.
44:15Many of them on their rooftops with nowhere to go as their houses are completely submerged.
44:22This is the Botar circle of Gujarat where water levels reached knee height.
44:26Residents are seen helping each other try to cross the raging waters.
44:31And more images coming in where waterlogging is worsened to the point where even heavy vehicles
44:38like trucks are struggling to navigate.
44:44Torrential rain severely disrupting life in Dung, district of Gujarat.
44:48Widespread waterlogging and flooding being reported.
44:50And with those images, I'm wrapping up this edition of Super 6.
44:57Thanks very much for tuning in.
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