I Had Kids with the Wrong Woman! Listener Questions

Stefan Molyneux

In this episode, I tackle audience questions, starting with George St. Peterson's role in the Russia-Ukraine war and the importance of diverse opinions. I discuss the potential resurgence of Christianity in the West, emphasizing the need to apply rationality to moral discussions.   I explore the influence of childhood experiences on ethics and offer insights on co-parenting with an irresponsible partner, stressing the social context of relationship choices. Additionally, I analyze how welfare programs impact family dynamics and accountability and confront the complexities of free speech in incendiary contexts.   Finally, I reflect on originality in thought-sharing and encourage critical engagement with ideas amid widespread misinformation, expressing gratitude for the audience's support in navigating these discussions together.  GET MY NEW BOOK 'PEACEFUL PARENTING', THE INTERACTIVE PEACEFUL PARENTING AI, AND THE FULL AUDIOBOOK! https://peacefulparenting.com/  Join the PREMIUM philosophy community on the web for free!  Subscribers get 12 HOURS on the "Truth About the French Revolution," multiple interactive multi-lingual philosophy AIs trained on thousands of hours of my material - as well as AIs for Real-Time Relationships, Bitcoin, Peaceful Parenting, and Call-In Shows!  You also receive private livestreams, HUNDREDS of exclusive premium shows, early release podcasts, the 22 Part History of Philosophers series and much more!  See you soon! https://freedomain.locals.com/support/promo/UPB2025

Transcript

00:00All right. Hi, everybody. Sven Molyneux from Freedom, Maine. And sorry, it took me a couple

00:05of days to get to these questions, but here we are. Does George St. Peterson have the right to

00:12comment on the Russia-Ukraine war, or is he a psychologist out of his depth talking about

00:16geopolitics? I'm not sure what you mean by the right to comment. I mean, he can talk about

00:24whatever he wants, and it is up to the free market of ideas to determine if what he has to say

00:28is valid or valuable. Does he go into the deep history? Does he talk about the holodomor? Does

00:35he talk about the mass rapes? Does he talk about the degree of animosity? Does he talk about

00:40the childhood of both the children in Russia and Ukraine? Origins of War and Child Abuse is a book

00:46I read by the late Dr. DeMoss, which you can get at freedomain.com slash books for free to sort of

00:51understand where this stuff comes from as a whole. So he can talk about whatever he wants to,

00:58just as everyone and anyone can. The real question is, does he have a great deal of value

01:05to offer? And that, of course, is up to every individual to evaluate for himself or herself. So

01:10talk about whatever you want. I think as a psychologist, Dr. Peterson would have a fairly

01:16unique insight into the mind and childhood origins of this kind of conflict and war. And hopefully he's

01:23talking about that, but I haven't reviewed because I'm not really following the Russia-Ukraine war.

01:27Will Christianity make a comeback in the West? And is this a good thing? Well, the way that I view this

01:35is the following. Sorry, that's kind of redundant. Of course, it's my views. My apologies. I won't cut

01:41this out, though, because sometimes it's important to know that people decent at public speaking

01:46misspeak or waste time. All right. So in the battle between reason and faith, reason has decisively

01:55won out in the material realm. All right. This is like, I'm just going to give you the straight goods

02:01here. Reason has decisively won out in the material realm. The realm of faith did not provide the

02:07modern amenities that support the lives of billions of people. Faith did not improve agriculture. Faith did

02:14not provide industrial machinery. The internal combustion engine. Faith did not provide modern

02:20technology. Faith did not provide the free market and so on. Right. So reason, individualism, property

02:27rights and science have produced absolutely staggering levels of comfort and productivity, one of which being

02:35that you can hear what it is that I'm talking about without me having a knock on the mud door of your

02:41hut. So science has won so decisively in the realm of metaphysics and epistemology and productivity.

02:51Science and the free market, you look at modern medicine, at least up until the government took

02:56it over. It was an absolute miracle. So science, reason, empiricism, that has won in the material realm

03:03so decisively that faith is discredited as a means of practical knowledge. Now, faith, of course, retains its

03:12power in the realm of morality, in the realm of virtue, in the realm of good and evil. There has been,

03:20at least until my work on ethics, universally preferable behavior, rational proof of secular ethics,

03:26you should definitely check it out. And there's a shorter version of it in my book, Essential Philosophy

03:31in the last third, essentialphilosophy.com, also free. Now, to take the discipline of objectivity,

03:41rationality and empiricism, and due to ethics, what those disciplines did to human productivity and

03:49comfort, will be the biggest advancement in humanity that is conceivable of. It is an advancement

03:56through peaceful parenting, peacefulparenting.com, a book on parenting, also free. Through peaceful

04:01parenting and through rationality in ethics, we will do to life infinitely more even than what the

04:10Industrial Revolution did for human comfort. We will do for human happiness what the Industrial

04:14Revolution and the free markets did to human comfort. I mean, imagine, just imagine. I wrote

04:21about this in my novel, The Future. But just imagine, no doom scrolling. Imagine a life with no politics,

04:30with no, oh God, what are they going to change the regulations? Are they going to increase the taxes?

04:34Are they going to change the country? Are they going to run up more debt? Are they going to indoctrinate my

04:39kids? Like, just imagine a world and a life without any of that? Tis a consummation devoutly to be

04:46wished for. And in the same way that the free market liberated us from starvation scarcity to a large

04:56degree disease and want, and increased our comfort almost infinitely, a philosophical, rational,

05:02empirical revolution in the realm of morality will do even more for our happiness than the Industrial

05:08Revolution did for our comfort. But it's going to take at least 100 to 200 years because people are

05:16so embedded in false ideology that they cannot conceive not just of a life with the truth, they

05:26cannot conceive of their own identity with the truth. And of course, one of the big problems,

05:31which we'll get to in the next question or two with human relations, is that if we are corrupted

05:37and we are propagandized and we believe and hold fast, true and dear many things which are actually

05:45false, wrong and immoral, we choose our relationships based upon our falsehoods. And once we have chosen

05:51our wife, once we have raised our children, we can never backtrack on our ethics. We can never backtrack on

05:59our ethics because that would be to undo and unravel the supposed virtue and existing relationships of our

06:10entire lives. Can you imagine somebody working for some hellacious organization that funds fuels and

06:17profits from war, suddenly realizing that war is largely about profiteering and the destruction.

06:29of the most virtuous among us. That's what war is. Can you imagine that he, you know, he's like,

06:36oh my god, or a soldier who fought, right? Can you imagine the people who fought in Afghanistan

06:43watched men they cared about or loved get blown apart, destroyed, disassembled, crippled. And

06:50what is that meme? It's a brutal meme. If you ever feel like you're not particularly effective in

06:58life, well, the United States took 20 years and trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives

07:04and countless Afghani lives to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. So people who've gone through all

07:13of that, can you imagine them becoming voluntarists, people who've beat their children? Can you imagine

07:20them becoming peaceful parents or peaceful grandparents? That kind of moral revolution,

07:25and I've gone through it to a small degree. I went through it to a much smaller degree in my 30s.

07:31It's brutal. The truth and genuine rational virtue go through your life like a wildfire.

07:39On the forest, although it is renewed, from the fires, although it is essential for the health

07:44of the forest in the long term, for the fires to burn through it, no individual tree wants to be consumed.

07:55And all the false relationships, based upon lies and shared delusions, have to be burned away for the

08:02quality relationships to emerge. But it feels exactly the same as dying, without even the oblivion that

08:13death brings. Christianity, faith, religion as a whole, has been discredited by the massive influence,

08:23power, liberation, and comfort generated by science, engineering, and the free market,

08:29all of which are empirical, rational disciplines. We just need to take the same rational and empirical

08:35discipline, and apply it to morality, which I've done. I did it about 17 years ago. It remains undefeated,

08:44despite countless objections, debates, you name it. It is undefeated. But, ah, it's a bridge too far for

08:53most people, so we have to wait for generations to change. So, because of science, the free market,

09:04and engineering, and medicine, we can't go back to the foundation of life as a whole called faith.

09:13We must press on to bring the same reasoning that produces science, engineering, and medicine,

09:20we have to bring that same reasoning to the realm of morality. There is no other way. There is no way

09:28back, because you simply can't undo the last 250 years of science and markets, which are rational,

09:34empirical, objective disciplines. You just can't undo that in people's minds. You can't ask people who

09:40live in houses fueled, and cooled, and arrayed with the most rational technology that has been conceived of,

09:50and say to them, faith is superior to reason. You just said, faith has been discredited by the

09:54rationality of the markets, and the rationality of science. There's no going back. We can only go

10:01forward and bring the same reasoning to morality, and then we get heaven on earth. Not before, and not

10:09any other way. All right, so another question. What should one's own attitude be towards the other

10:15parent with whom one mistakenly procreated when that person is an immoral, defective,

10:19and narcissistic, irresponsible parent, aside from shielding the children from one's negative

10:25judgment of the other parent? Mistakenly procreated. Well, the first thing you want to do is understand

10:33the root of what you refer to as a mistake. Now, I say this with all due humility,

10:39being far from perfect myself, but the reality is that when I look back upon, let's say, a particular

10:46relationship I had in my 20s that got very close to marriage, I bought the ring, I proposed, and then

10:53flat because of a chance comment of a friend's girlfriend who said, you think an engaged person

10:59would be happier? A man engaged, wouldn't you be happier? And I'm like, just one comment, right?

11:04One comment. That someone I'd known tangentially for only a couple of months, you know, I'd met her

11:11like, I don't know, five or seven times before, and she made this comment, and, uh, hey, interesting

11:17story. Do you know who didn't make this comment? My mother, my father, my brother, other people that

11:22I'd known for decades, decades, and had worked with and suffered with and sometimes bled with and played

11:29with and occasionally fought with, the people who claimed to love me for decades and decades and

11:37decades did not say anything. It was a chance comment of a friend's girlfriend that saved me and this

11:49woman from a marriage that would have been a disaster. So, it's not a mistake. If you

11:56got into a relationship with and procreated with an immoral and destructive woman, in this case,

12:04could be a man, right? It was a woman riding in. I assume this is a man. So, if you got involved

12:11with and procreated with a destructive woman, then it's not a mistake. The only way that you can blame

12:20yourself is to pretend that you live in some sort of atomistic cat-like isolation, but you don't.

12:26You're a social animal. You have, at a minimum, for the most part, parents, siblings. You have

12:35grandparents, uncles, aunts. You have cousins. You have friends. You have people in your life

12:44who've been in your life for years or decades who claim to care so much about you and they buy you

12:50birthday presents and they get together with you at Christmas and they are wrapped up and involved

12:56with in your life like a whole bunch of trees growing together into one trunk. All these people

13:02are around you and claim to love you and, oh, we care so much about you. Oh, you're the best. Oh,

13:11you're the greatest. Oh, we love you so much. Okay. Great. The most important decision

13:18an adult makes is who they have sex with. Singular to plural. Sorry. The most important decision a man

13:28makes is who he has sex with. Now, that's in the short run. In the longer run, the most important

13:33decision a man makes is who he marries. So, given that young men are full of lust, confusion, hormones,

13:44and vagina-seeking missiles referred to as gonads, everybody knows that and, therefore, young men

13:53need wisdom in the management and focusing of their romantic and sexual energies. This has been known

13:59since the dawn of time and, given that it is known and understood, who was it who helped you choose

14:08who to procreate with? Remember, there's all these people who really care about you. They know that

14:13young men make poor decisions, particularly, of course, if, let's say, your parents were divorced or

14:19they made bad decisions with who to procreate with at some point in their life, then they should sit down

14:23with you and pass along their wisdom and help you avoid disaster. But, of course, largely because of

14:31the state firing cannons of money at everybody who screws up their life, there really isn't much caring

14:38left in the West anymore. And one of the reasons, of course, that parents used to care who their

14:44children dicked up was because if their son dicked up the wrong woman, then they would be on the hook,

14:54right? I mean, if you were a woman and you got dicked up by the wrong guy and had a baby without

15:02the guy sticking around, I mean, you'd try to get the guy to marry the girl, but generally what would

15:07happen is she'd move in with her parents and her parents would be responsible for taking care of that

15:11child for the next 20 years and no man in general would marry this woman, so then they'd also have

15:18to take care of her. So they took great interest and had great focus on who their children had sex

15:28with because they faced these consequences. If your son impregnated the wrong woman, then he would

15:37have to get married to what could be a very chaotic and destructive family, which would unite your

15:42two families together in ways that would be difficult and uncomfortable. So you took great

15:48care to point your children towards the right procreative organs so that they didn't end up in a

15:55multi-decade mess of horror. Now, the practical financial and social consequences have largely

16:02evaporated because of money printing and debt and taxation, right? That if a woman gets pregnant

16:07with the wrong man's child and he buggers off to Timbuktu, well, she just runs to the government

16:14and the government gives her $100,000 a year. So the parents are left not with economic considerations,

16:21but just personal levels of actually caring about people, not in terms of negative financial or social

16:26consequences in terms of having to pay for a child or children and a single mother who would almost

16:34certainly not get married because without the welfare state, single mothers are too much of a financial

16:39liability for men to marry. So they are bereft, families are now bereft of financial concerns and

16:46social disasters. So all that's left is, you know, the actually caring about people. You know, that

16:54little thing where you say, I love you, you want to take care of, and you want what's best for your

16:58children. We want what's best for your children. Okay, well, now there are no financial considerations.

17:01The social stuff is largely, has largely vanished. In other words, if your son has a child with the

17:11offspring of a chaotic and dysfunctional family because of the welfare state and other considerations,

17:17I mean, the welfare state includes, quote, free education and things like that. But you don't actually

17:22have to get involved with the other family anymore. So now all that's left is the actual caring

17:32about people as a whole. And we don't have that. We don't have that. Now, the welfare state produces

17:39a form of psychosis, and the welfare state certainly produces bottomless narcissism as a whole.

17:45Because the practical effects of bad decisions are taken care of by

17:50selling unborn children on the ghostly auction blocks of foreign banksters. So we don't actually

17:58have to care about each other, other than from an emotional moral and ideological or idealistic

18:04standpoint, right? I mean, there's no way that the single mother rate would be so high if parents

18:10genuinely cared about their children. So you understand that when you procreated with the

18:15wrong woman, it was not a, quote, mistake. It was the inevitable result of an entire system

18:21of unexamined coldness and indifference. How the living fuck did people let you date such a corrupt

18:29an immoral person? Or if you had the habit of sleeping with chaotic and immoral women,

18:38why the hell didn't people sit you down and sort you out? Because that is Russian roulette,

18:44right? Sex with women you don't know, and you don't trust, and whose morals you have not deeply tested.

18:52Sex with women. Sex with little-known women is Russian roulette, bro. Bro. It is the same thing I

19:01would talk about if I had a son. I would say, yes, you're full of lust, and that's a beautiful thing.

19:06Lust is a beautiful thing, and a dangerous thing. You know, we teach children, if you're in a country

19:13which allows the ownership of guns, we teach our children about the value, utility, and danger of

19:22weaponry. And we teach them this about bikes. Yes, they're wonderful things, can get you where you

19:27want to go very quickly, but they're dangerous things because they're much smaller than cars,

19:33and you can fall quite easily, and that can be quite bad for you. We teach our children, oh, yes,

19:39if you want to cut some food up, yes, a knife is a good thing, but a knife can also take off your

19:46thumb. So, I would say, lust is a beautiful thing, and you should treasure it, you should hold on to it,

19:54and you should make sure that you are aware of its grave and great dangers. So, if you go around

20:02fornicating with women you don't really know, you get diseases, you get unwanted pregnancies,

20:12you get stalkers, and you get, I was just talking about this with my daughter last night,

20:17like the dangers of lonely people. The dangers of lonely people. Sometimes it can be dangerous to

20:23make eye contact with really lonely people because they'll fixate upon you and then invade your space

20:28and demand you spend time with them and want you to come over and all that, I'm sure. I mean,

20:33if you've lived in an apartment building, most people have had that experience of some often

20:38elderly woman, but someone who just clutches at you and is so abominably lonely, you can smell that

20:44interstellar space seeping out of their bone marrows, just abominably isolated. And because they're

20:49isolated, they're desperate. And because they're desperate, every time they try to make contact,

20:53they actually just push people further away. It's like being terminally thirsty and then every time

20:58you reach for the glass of water, you knock it over and it drains into the sand. It's maddening

21:03and irrecoverable, usually at that point. So, you could get stalkers, you could get women obsessed

21:09with you, you could get women who will regret, you know, maybe they throw their ass at you and then,

21:16like I said, I wouldn't say that to my son, they throw their body at you, you have sex,

21:20sex. And then she brags about her new boyfriend to all of her friends. And then maybe you don't

21:28text her or you don't talk to her. And then she gets really angry and her friend's like,

21:33oh, where's your new boyfriend? And then some friend says, well, maybe it wasn't as voluntary

21:37as you think, you know. And then maybe she makes an accusation against you. Or maybe she does that

21:43in a university, which is incredibly horrifying, the whole process. Or maybe she does it to the police,

21:48which is also incredibly horrifying, the whole process. So, you are dancing through a landmine.

21:56It's all fun and games until you lose a limb. She also might just spread negative rumors about you,

22:04if there's bitterness or contempt or a feeling of shame and loss for her.

22:12If you use a woman for sex, it's Russian roulette. It's not quite so bad with a man, but not great.

22:21But so, you would talk about all of this. And you can say, the guy can say, well, I wear a condom for

22:27diseases and pregnancies and so on. It's like, yeah, well, there have been situations called sperm

22:33jacking, right? Where a woman, particularly if she's older and particularly if the younger man is

22:37intelligent and good looking. There certainly have been quite a number of recorded instances of

22:41sperm jacking where the woman takes the semen either out of her mouth or from her body or from

22:47the condom and inserts it into her vagina. And bingo, bango, bongo, you're now in baby jail for 20 years

22:52plus and tied into a manipulative woman forever and ever. Amen. So, you mistakenly procreated? No.

23:02Everybody watched and yawned and went back to their screens while you, tied to the conveyor belt

23:11of lust, went into the bladed vagina of disastrous procreation. They hummed, they whistled, oh yeah,

23:20well, good luck with that. Young people end up in disasters due to the foundational indifference

23:26of their elders. So, it is not just a mistake. Mistakes in general, in life, mistakes in general

23:34do not just happen. They are the result of significant numbers of bad decisions made

23:42before. And you need to figure out those bad decisions so that you can prevent it from happening

23:50to your children. You can prevent it from happening to maybe your brother, your sister, nephews,

23:58nieces, whatever, friends, friends, kids. You need to start spreading this wisdom of protecting

24:05people from the dangers of lust and the disasters of blowback. Blowjob rhymes almost with blowback.

24:15Now, if you have an immoral co-parent, you are condemned to decades of lying. I like, I wish

24:27it were different, but it's not. Of course, as you know, let's say it's Bob and Sally. You're

24:33Bob, the bad mom is Sally and so on, right? So, and you know, you may not have been a great

24:40person when you were banging Sally like Ringo Starr's snare drum, but let's just say you're

24:46a good person. Sally's a bad person. You had kids for whatever reason. Well, you can't say

24:52that Sally's bad. You have to lie about it. You have to prevaricate, right? Because if you

24:57say, here's the bad things about Sally, those kids are going to run back and the next time

25:01they're in a fight with Sally or the next time they want to score some points, they're going

25:04to say, well, you know what dad said about you, mom, right? And then you're back to chaos

25:10and debt and all kinds of horrible things, right? So you have to lie and you have to raise

25:17your children in an air and atmosphere of a falsehood. Now, of course, all parents lie.

25:23I mean, you don't say to your two-year-old, you know, what's real is cancer surgery. I'm going

25:27to show you the video. So you withhold negative truths from children until they're old enough

25:33to handle them in context and so on. So there's a certain amount of prevarication or benevolent

25:42falsehood in parenting as a whole, right? I mean, and that's fine. I mean, that's society

25:49as a whole, right? I mean, it's true that people go to the bathroom, but you don't have

25:53to show people. Well, you're hiding it. It's like, it's just basic politeness, right? And

25:58the boundaries and so on, right? So you're going to just have to lie about moral issues

26:07until the kids are adults. And especially, you know, if the mom has more custody than

26:15you do, then you face the fact that, and if she's an immoral person, a liar, then she's

26:22going to make up things and lie about, right? She will not tell you that you're supposed

26:29to see the kids at some point. And then when you don't show up, she'll say, oh, well, I

26:34guess your dad doesn't care about you. He's supposed to be here. You know, she'll just

26:37do that kind of stuff. I mean, there's no bottom. To people who don't admit moral fault, there

26:42is no bottom to their behavior. So, it is grim lesson learned. And generally, the most

26:52good you can get out of that situation is helping other people not get into that situation.

26:59All right. Setting genocide supporters ablaze morally right to justify it. Well, I'm a free

27:05speech absolutist. So, you can say all sorts of terrible things, and you should be allowed

27:14to say all sorts of terrible things, and you should be ostracized by decent people if you

27:19say all sorts of terrible things. So, if you are whipping people into imminent violence,

27:26that could be another matter. I guess slander, defamation, that's another matter. But outside

27:32of immediate incitements to violence and slander and defamation, I'm a free speech absolutist

27:39for the simple reason that I don't trust anyone to police free speech. Now, in a free society,

27:46it would be policed by voluntary organizations that would be competing for efficiency and virtue,

27:50but I certainly, with regards to political power, I don't trust anyone, anyone to police

27:59free speech. I mean, it is generally the case that in governments, if you're a virtuous person,

28:06your governments will inevitably be inhabited by people whose interests are diametrically opposed

28:12to yours. That's how it always goes. So, with regards to free speech, yeah, I'm a free speech

28:20absolutist. All right. In principle, can we have any kind of political activities on the other side

28:26from Lenin? As long as we raise our children peacefully and do not harm other peacefully raised

28:30children. Such has been my impression. I don't understand the question. Please rephrase, and I

28:36would be happy to hear more, but I don't understand the question as it stands. So, if you could please

28:41send it in again, I would appreciate that. All right. Here are the questions from

28:47freedomand.locals.com. What is the Bitcoin of AI agents? Is Grok still number one, least censored?

28:54Something like allegedly uncensored and private Venice AI, or something else? I don't know. I use

29:00Grok, and I'm sure that there are other good ones out there, but I use Grok, and it's pretty good. I mean,

29:08I know that a whole bunch of woke crap is going to be in AI, because AI gathers and scours documents

29:17from across the web and the world, a lot of which are woke documents, right? So, remember, AI can't

29:24judge anything. AI can simply assemble sentences based upon its input, right? I did a whole two

29:29presentations on all of this back in the day, but you can check out AI, free domain, sorry,

29:36fdrpodcasts.com. So, AI is if the input output, right? Garbage in, garbage out. So, if the source

29:45documents for AI are woke, then AI will be woke, and it's not ideology or censorship. It's just the

29:51source documents, and woke documents outnumber non-woke documents. And I'm sure that, I mean,

29:56of course, there are some interferences as well in these areas, some programmatic interferences,

30:03but nonetheless, I don't have any particular answers as to which is the best AI. It does

30:08what I want it to do. Grok does what I want it to do, and I haven't really explored others. Now,

30:14of course, StaffBot AI is very good. You can get that for premium. For premium donors, you can get

30:21my AIs. You can go to premium.freedomand.com to see some of the goodies there, and then you can sign

30:29up for those. All right. Somebody says, something about folks with 100 bumper stickers on one car

30:35gives me an odd feeling about them. I can't imagine even having one bumper sticker. Am I onto something?

30:39Well, people need to signal for their tribe, right? So, modern society is a war. It is a perpetual war

30:51to control the powers of the state. And the fact that political decisions are made according to

31:02threats and bribes, not according to the will of the people. I mean, this is very well established that

31:06the will of the people has almost no effect whatsoever on what happens in politics. This

31:14has been pretty roundly studied, particularly in American politics. People wanted Trump to do his

31:20thing 2016 to 2020, and what did they get? Well, they got obstruction. They got endless lawfare. They

31:27got charges. They got all kinds of crazy stuff, right? So, people, the doge cuts were enormously

31:34popular. The vast majority of people, at least, you know, it wasn't like 99% of people, but the vast

31:39majority of people, you know, anything above sort of 60, 65% is the vast majority, and the vast majority

31:45of people were very keen on the doge cuts, right? And they wanted Elon to keep doing his thing because,

31:50you know, they care about their taxes. They care about their parents, their children, right? And their

31:55debt and all of that, right? And their parents in terms of the solvency of Social Security. And they're

32:01not, at least so far, not being codified into law. Elon Musk has left the government in, you know, and I

32:07really dislike, this is one thing I really, I just, by the by, I really hate when men have significant

32:14disagreements that they characterize it like some tween breakup. That's so, it's just trashy, man. Just

32:20don't do that kind of stuff. Oh, the bromance, and you guys got to hug it out, and you know, it's like, no,

32:27these are substantial disagreements. Elon is an idealist, and Trump is actually trying to work the

32:34machinery. And the idealist, running up against the brute reality of power politics, the idealist,

32:43is appalled and says, well, why can't we do the right thing? And the guy actually working the

32:47machinery says, because the machinery is designed to have nobody ever do the right thing. We talk about

32:52the right thing, but we can't, we don't do the right thing. So, Elon is, as a sort of tech wizard

32:59himself, Elon is in the kind of funny position of being the marketing or sales people who say to the

33:05technical people, well, why don't we just do this? Why don't we just integrate Java? Why don't we just

33:09integrate AI? Why don't we just blah, blah, blah, blah, right? Well, because this is a big, messy,

33:14complicated, technical thing to do. And we can do it, but you're going to give us money. It's like,

33:18no, no, no, I want you to do, I want you to work all of this magic with your existing team.

33:22Then, well, we can't work all of this magic with our existing team. It's not how things work.

33:27So, it is the idealist versus the realist. Trump is working his best to try and wield a machine

33:40that is specifically designed to repel virtue. He's like a vampire trying to grab holy water,

33:46or a priest trying to wrangle satanic powers. It's a difficult and dangerous game. Why can't we

33:54just, right? Well, we've got to cut spending. Well, the problem is that you have a population

34:01of psychos in the West who believe and have been lulled into the demonic and psychotic

34:10sense of infinite resources. They are like children demanding candy in a store. The parents

34:17who have a yacht and a mansion and private airplanes, the parents cannot reasonably to the child's mind

34:23say we can't afford it. It's one of the big challenges of parents who get money is they

34:29can't say to their kids we can't afford it. So, people have regressed into an infantile or toddler

34:35state where they believe that the parents can afford anything and everything. And therefore,

34:42the only reasons that the parents would say no is because the parents hate the children.

34:48If you loved me, you'd buy me candy, right? And so, if you try to cut spending, then you get all of

34:57these fear mongers like Bono was. Bono, the singer, was one of them. My God. One of the most appalling

35:05human beings on the planet with regards to the destruction of the West. My God. Absolutely

35:11astounding. I mean, he was railing against the IRA back in the day, which I understand, but

35:16is he saying anything about what's happening in Ireland at the moment? Fuck no. So, yeah, Bono was like,

35:23oh, they cut USAID and 300,000 people died. And it's like, so, you're hugely rich. I think Bono made

35:31more money off investing in Facebook than he did off his entire career with YouTube. So, if you care

35:36about those people so much, then you should go in to fund them. You've got the money. Go fund them.

35:40No. Right? So, you just get lies and sentimentality and manipulation and so on. And because there's no

35:48morality, which is that all of this government spending is taxation without representation,

35:54because in general, it's stolen from either the unborn or it's stolen through inflation,

36:00particularly from people on fixed incomes who don't understand the connection and therefore

36:04they don't understand how much it's being stolen from. This is one of the great values of having

36:08the intermediaries in a semi-capitalist system of the store owners, the corporations. Well, they just

36:13keep raising prices because they're mean. It's like, no, they raise prices because the value of each

36:18dollar is being lowered through massive inflation, inflation of the money supply. So, you can't

36:25cut spending because the benefits of cutting spending are diffuse and future-based, but the

36:31costs of cutting spending are immediate specified, laser-targeted, and right now. Sorry, immediate

36:38right now. You got it. So, it's like saying to a two-year-old, well, you shouldn't really have

36:44candy because you might have tooth problems in 20 years. I mean, the two-year-old cannot comprehend

36:52the 20 years and only knows right now how much he or she wants the candy in the moment, right? I mean,

37:00you can't eat. It's the marshmallow test, right? A lot of kids can't even not eat a marshmallow if

37:05they'll get another one. If they wait for 15 minutes, they'll get two, right? A lot of kids can't do that.

37:09So, the population and the population is whipped into a demonic frenzy of infinite consumption by

37:16the tendentious and hysterical and maudlin and manipulative media, right? Any cuts, you're going

37:25to get pictures of dying children. Well, that's what happens. This is not who we are. Stupid shit,

37:30they say it like this. This is not who we are. Math reality, right? So, yeah, it's not... I mean,

37:36even adults, look, the near-infinite consumption that's going on in the world based upon debt is

37:45also why people eat too much, right? It's all sort of tied into the same thing. Screw the future,

37:50enjoy the present, right? Forget the hangover, just get drunk. And so, Elon is like, we can't

37:56spend this much. But the political reality is that people are addicted to lies. Now, you get mad at the

38:03media, I get all of that. But, I mean, the media don't force anyone to consume their falsehoods,

38:09right? And in particular, the boomers who are addicted to old-school media and are so far out

38:13of touch with reality, they're basically living a Matrix-style fever dream of external digital

38:19manipulation. They're so far removed from reality. And they're so embedded in the absolute falsehoods

38:25and hungry for them. That confronting a boomer with any kind of fact as a whole is like stepping

38:32into an asylum and trying to reduce the prevalence of LSD to infinite addicts. It's a dangerous thing.

38:39I've certainly done it a couple of times, just even socially. Just talk to people about,

38:44sort of, to older people about basic facts. They're just absolutely petulant and offended. And

38:49more than half children themselves, which is sort of an insult to children because they have the

38:53excuse of childhood. So, cutting spending? How are you going to cut spending? Whoever you cut is

38:59going to scream bloody murder, is going to lie through their teeth, the media is going to amplify

39:02their lives with the most emotionally manipulative shit known to mankind, and people are going to

39:06swallow it because they're crazy. Now, you can't fix that. How are you going to fix that? I remember

39:13saying, gosh, it's 2016 or something like that when I went down to Mike Cernovich's A Night for Freedom.

39:17I remember saying, so the problem is, they're making crazy people far faster than we can fix

39:25them. And I remember there was an old MASH episode that gave me goosebumps when I was a kid about one

39:31of the surgeons when there was some new, horrible new weapon that melted flesh off the human bones

39:35or whatever it is. And he was like, you know, they're finding new ways to destroy people faster

39:41than we can find ways to fix them. And when I was a kid, at least there were some areas of

39:48rationality that were still allowed. But now, I mean, the teachers for the kids are all,

39:53almost all demonically insane. And it's an asylum of dripped down intergenerational madness. And I

40:00really, I can't tell you how much sympathy I have for the kids going through all of this

40:05absolute mental disassembly that's going on in schools these days.

40:08So, breaking things is easy. Breaking mines is easy. Repairing them and fixing them is hard.

40:16Any old goat can step on a complicated wristwatch or pocket watch, but it takes a significant amount

40:23of training and expertise, time and money to repair them. It's the same thing with easy-to-break

40:28mines. It's very hard to repair them. And mines are being broken. I mean, honestly, I'm like,

40:34it's like the old Lucille Ball thing where she's on the chocolates. She's got to do something with

40:42the chocolates and the chocolates on the conveyor belt just come too fast. And she ends up stuffing

40:46them in her mouth and her blouse and throwing them to the side because there's too many.

40:49Well, I see this massive tsunami of broken brains going towards to swamp and destroy the tall spires

40:59of our prior civilization. Just massive tsunami. And, you know, we can rescue a couple, but it

41:05doesn't have any particular impact on the wave as a whole. And I'm immensely proud of the work that

41:12I've done to help people come to reason and virtue. I'm immensely proud, and I'm very thankful for your

41:19help. And I think you should be immensely proud of the work that you've done in this area.

41:22But we cannot compete with the absolute slaughter of the minds of children under the current media

41:34educational complex. We just, we can't. We can't. I mean, if you were a doctor and it took two years

41:44to cure someone of smallpox or the black death, how would you be doing in the middle of a smallpox

41:50black death, plague or epidemic? You'd maybe save a couple of people, but the course of the disease

41:56would go forward largely without your input or change or alteration. And these are just facts.

42:05It's not blackpilling. These are just facts. Go talk to young people about reasons, facts, truth and

42:10evidence and science, and they have been rendered allergic to reality. They have been inoculated against

42:18facts. And, you know, a lot of people are, but in the past, at least there was more nominal respect

42:23for facts. Now it's all a fever dream of propaganda. So people need to find their tribes. It's a war.

42:31To return to the sticker on the car question, people need to find their tribes, and it's a war.

42:36So what that means is that people put stickers on their cars for the same reason that people in war

42:44are supposed to wear uniforms. It's to identify their allies and provoke their foes. So that's why

42:52people do this kind of stuff, and they do it in a lot of different ways. Do they mark their, they mark

42:56their armies, right? The armies of the takers versus the armies of the makers. So, all right.

43:03Steph, could you please explain why, in your opinion, the U.S. government bribes women not to have kids

43:07and instead choose work and career? Less kids, less people, and less taxpayers in the future.

43:10Aren't they, don't, aren't they see that mid and long term? Or don't they see that? I think you

43:14mean, don't they see that? The mass migration solution isn't the answer either. Creates a

43:19plethora of other issues for the government itself. Sorry for the off topic. I mean, I've talked about

43:24this a whole, whole bunch of times before, so I'll just keep it very brief, briefly here. So the enemy

43:30of totalitarianism is conscience and empathy. So if you say to women, don't have children for the sake

43:40of the planet, the future, sustainability, Malthusian issues, you know, all of that sort

43:46of stuff, right? The population bomb. ZPG, zero population growth. So if you put out abstract

43:54empathy fevers to not have children for the sake of the planet and its future, then two things happen.

44:01And one is that a woman's ladiness and greed for sexual attention will activate. And she will then

44:09get to say, well, I'm doing it for moral reasons. I'm doing it for the planet. I'm doing it for the

44:14future. But, you know, she just prefers to travel, have sex and get male attention. So you're giving

44:20somebody a cover for their most primitive and destructive in many ways, certainly to civilization,

44:25their most destructive impulses, you're giving them a plausible cover for that, right?

44:29So, but the people who even think in terms of what's best for the collective, what's best for

44:35the planet, what's best for the future, are the people with the most empathy and conscience. And

44:40people with empathy and conscience tend to resist totalitarianism. I mean, there are a lot of people

44:45who benefit from totalitarianism. There's an old story of Ayn Rand when she met her sister,

44:50that her sister was very nostalgic for the times of Stalin, right? And there's an article from some

44:57years ago about how socialism allows women to have better orgasms because they're more relaxed

45:02and they're taken care of and they don't have financial stressors and worries about men leaving

45:07them because socialism will provide for them no matter what. So you're basically saying give up

45:11your freedom for the sake of material comfort and better orgasms, right? So if you put out a message

45:18which says, you know, for the sake of the future, for the sake of the planet, for the sake of the

45:23collective, then it will have the most effect on people with the most empathy and conscience.

45:31And therefore, since empathy and conscience, like all personality traits, have some degree

45:36of transmissibility, you are reducing the number of empathetic people with a conscience in the future.

45:42Now, even if you say it's all nurture and no nature, that's fine, but people with empathy and

45:47a conscience are more likely to raise children with empathy and a conscience.

45:49So the reason that the government wants to grow and the resistance to its growth of people with

45:56empathy and a conscience, because people who think in universal abstractions think in terms of

46:02generalized human rights, which means that they want the government to protect rights,

46:05not to contravene them. So the government has as its barrier to growth, people with empathy and

46:13a conscience. And so if you start talking to people about the future and the planet and

46:18sustainability and environmentalism and so on, then it will have the most effect on people with

46:23the most empathy and the most conscience. And therefore, you'll be reducing the prevalence

46:26of those people in the future, which allows you to grow faster. So it's the same reason that

46:33farmers put up scarecrows, right?

46:35All right. So, Steph, you mentioned many times that most people are heavily propagandized and

46:39programmed and do not have their own thoughts. But aren't we all just retranslators of existing

46:42information? How do I know that the thought that I have now is uniquely mine? I'm not sure.

46:48I mean, have other people had it before, right? You look it up and see if other people have had

46:53it before. So I don't, how do I know that the thought, I mean, think of, what do they call

46:59them? Mackey? Mackey? Paul McCartney, right? So Paul McCartney woke up from a dream with the

47:04tune for the song Yesterday floating around in his head, although it was scrambled eggs.

47:09So, my dear, you have got lovely legs, right? So, and he played it. He played it to everyone

47:14and said, have you heard this song before? Do you know about this song? Have you had this

47:16song? And nobody had heard it before. So he's like, well, I guess I didn't dream a song that

47:22somebody else had. I put it out, right? And so you put out your song. And if you were like

47:28Sam Smith with, oh, Tom Petty, I think Tom Petty said Sam Smith's songs was like, don't back

47:33down. And Sam Smith agreed to share credits. And there was battles about some, I think it was

47:38some, was it some old Motown song and that song from a couple of summers ago, Blurred Lines.

47:47And so, you know, you put out your thoughts. And if other people say, oh, there's somebody

47:52that had this thought and I've had this thought before and so on, right? So, I mean, I know

47:56for sure that UPB is unique because otherwise UPB would, I mean, people have said UPB is just

48:02like the categorical imperative, which it's not. So, in general, you put out your thoughts

48:08and you see, you do some research, ask AI these days, put out your thoughts, see if

48:11anyone else has had them before. And if they had, it could be coincidental or it might be

48:15derivative. So, that's the way that I would do it. So, thanks everyone so much. Appreciate

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