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00:00Is there any last response you want to make towards John before we lose you from our panel?
00:05No, I think we've got some pretty clear dividing lines.
00:09For me, as I say, you look at the surveys on reform voters, it really is about this migration question.
00:14And Keir Starmer just needs to think about where is this going to go if he doesn't get his arms around that issue?
00:20So we're 2025. What is this country going to look like in 2027, 2028 with 50, 60, 70,000 people crossing,
00:29adding, crossing the channel in small boats, adding to this mood in the country,
00:34which combined with low economic growth is not a good one for our society or our politics.
00:40I think things will rapidly start to get a lot worse for Starmer.
00:44And just lastly, don't forget, we've got enormous elections next year across Wales,
00:48which is a Labour heartland where Labour, you know, really, you know,
00:53the Industrial Revolution began in many respects in parts of Wales.
00:56And I think there's going to be a very profound psychological shock coming to the Labour movement next year,
01:03where it will become unavoidable that reform is now not only replacing the Conservatives,
01:08but actually much more popular than Labour in its own heartlands.
01:12But thank you very much.