The triple spectro team (Zani, Phoebe, Rover) can do 3 nightfalls easily inside Zani liberation compared to the Zani, Phoebe, healer team that requires precisely timed dodge cancels to execute 3 nightfalls in liberation.
2025-05-19
Credit: Aznvasions
#wutheringwaves #gacha #zani-peeb
2025-05-19
Credit: Aznvasions
#wutheringwaves #gacha #zani-peeb
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00:00okay it's because it doesn't have the blaze envy buff and it takes a long time to cast
00:10that's the whole shtick is it just takes too long it's basically dps neutral from my rough calcs
00:17last time i had somebody ask me this it's a dpr gain but dps neutral so if you can pull it off
00:24then do feel free to do it if you screwed up you're gonna lose dps but you will never gain dps by doing
00:31that the best use case of it is because you're gonna kill the boss in that rotation so that's about it
00:43and what honestly i'd say is if people really really really want to go for more damage out of
00:49the team just play rover phoebe zeny and you it is noticeably stronger than zeny phoebe shorekeeper
01:01again the main idea out of this that i'm trying to say is i don't care what you do there's almost
01:08nothing you can do on a one frazzle team like just one frazzle support almost nothing you do makes a
01:16big difference if you're good at adapting and you know all the possible outcomes and you pick the
01:23optimal outcome based on how the fight is progressing in theory things can be better but if you're just
01:28going to pick up one specific rotation and stick to it and spam it there is no better rotation or how
01:35to use any's place it doesn't really make a difference it only matters if you can dynamically
01:45adapt to the fight pace of like oh the boss is going to hit me i can use this for a three nightfall
01:52rotation but it's going to hit me so my parry on the counter skill will trigger sooner so i don't have
01:57to wait half a second for it to happen naturally and then i can deal similar damage to like what that
02:04rotation would have been but it happened slightly faster because i got hit so i skipped the waiting
02:12period and then like and other cancels and things and whatnot but i'm sure we can agree that in a
02:18normal rotation run it doesn't always play out the same so you can't just assume that oh all these
02:25things that might actually make it a dps advantage will happen because generally they don't and a lot of
02:33the times people will not pick the specific optimal move to use on zeni mid liberation for the current
02:39fight state so the way i see it is as long as you use all of the actions that it allows you to use if
02:48you don't fully drain out or blaze perfectly and there's a bit left over that's fine but as long as
02:53you don't exit when you still could have actually attacked again then you're pretty much fine
02:59how much extra blaze does rover add a standard two times rotation will add 10 more frazzle which is
03:1050 blaze if you do the three times forte skills which is recommended you will add 12 stacks of
03:17frazzle which is 60 blaze phoebe by default provides uh what is it 95 blaze so you will get a 155 blaze
03:30from phoebe plus rover and then zannie will give another 60 herself which gives you a grand total of
03:36215 which is enough to buff three full heavy slash chains the way how this works though is you need to
03:45set up the team in a way where the first rotation you alt immediately because you want to outro to
03:50provide buffs right but you will shift your rotation to ulting at the end of rotations during zannie's
03:57nightfalls because the thing is you cannot pass a hundred blaze before she ults and even in her
04:03alt she can only have 150 her ass six gets around this by only giving 70 back when you drop under 70.
04:11so our way to simulate this is you save the alts after you've already cast them once
04:17so that in future rotations including the bottom of the first rotation you will recast them and pop them
04:24midnight fall to give her effectively the same effect as what her s6 does of she has low enough blaze that
04:33popping the alt will not waste blaze it will just top her back up to a reasonably high amount so you can
04:39keep continuing the rotation this is also the reason why if you check the video the i have a very
04:45high er requirement on rover if you're going to run that rotation because you pop one alt per nightfall
04:54effectively right rover has a 20 seconds cooldown phoebe has a 25 so phoebe is going to be popping her
05:01alt in the first rotation a second time during the second nightfall but rover needs to pop it during
05:08the first nightfall you can't do it during the third nightfall because you've already committed
05:13most of your blaze by then so giving a huge chunk of blaze back is useless because you would have
05:18already been out of blaze which means your hits are already dealing kind of damage um
05:24um but because of the cooldowns being five seconds apart and one nightfall heavy slash chain takes
05:31about 4.4 seconds then you put one alt in each section but the cooldowns become a problem so
05:39because rover's cooldown is shorter you cast phoebe's alt immediately first since it has the higher cooldown
05:46then you immediately use rover's alt afterwards but since you're gonna use rover's alt again
05:52immediately after the cooldown comes off in 20 seconds which is a lot sooner than you normally would
05:58and zannie has not even finished her rotation because her energy generation is back loaded in her heavy
06:05slash chain then rover receives a lot less energy than normal in first rotation by the time you need
06:12to alt a second time thus rover needs 160
06:20but phoebe is fine because phoebe doesn't alt again until the second nightfall and usually you don't
06:27open the entire fight with phoebe alt but in this case you do so by the time the second nightfall is
06:32casted the team has produced enough energy equal to what phoebe normally would have received by the 25
06:38second mark and thus she doesn't really need any extra er it's just rover alting again super early
06:45and not benefiting from phoebe's opener because if you go into confession mode and alt at the start of
06:51the fight then rover will not get energy from phoebe going into confession mode since rover's alt is
06:56already full in the beginning right and that confession mode skill actually produces a ton of energy
07:02so you will notice in most setups uh rover actually usually ults earlier than phoebe does
07:12in just how you set up frazzled teams so by pushing rovers all down much later and sticking
07:20them on the same team as phoebe it causes a lot of er problems on the first rotation we're gonna need 1.5
07:262 and let's go in for pure speedrun steps anyway so these differences are practically gated i mean
07:31the whole the actually the biggest difference on these teams is the very first rotation
07:40the as the fight drags on the gap shrinks in the very first rotation the triple spectro team actually
07:48has an even bigger than 10 gap and the reason for this is it's like the second third fourth or fifth
07:56rotation except you ulted on phoebe twice and rover twice whereas you never do that after the first
08:02rotation you will always only out once but late and all other zenni teams only ever all once even in
08:11the first so the uh triple spectro team actually cheats in the opener by alting twice on phoebe and rover
08:21each which will result in about an extra 100k damage or so inflicted