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00:00with aggravated assault with three years of probation.
00:06It has been a challenge going from the scandal
00:09to relationship, to miscarriage,
00:11to arrest, to being pregnant again.
00:17Let's talk about your pregnancy.
00:19Okay.
00:20Did you and Dakota make a decision together?
00:23After I was arrested, Dakota and I,
00:25like, we actually never broke up.
00:27We stayed in our relationship
00:28and I think we wanted it, to be honest.
00:30It might not be the smartest decision in our situation.
00:33It wasn't, but it is what it is.
00:38This place is so cute.
00:40I want to get a little drinky drink.
00:41Hello.
00:42I got this one.
00:44You got it?
00:47I was so shocked when I found out Taylor was pregnant.
00:49I, like, couldn't believe it.
00:50You were shocked?
00:51Yes.
00:52I wasn't.
00:53You weren't surprised?
00:54She's been kind of MIA.
00:54I feel like she's, like,
00:55separated herself from all of us.
00:57I mean, I feel like I would, if it were me.
01:00She had the swinger scandal,
01:02had an affair with her husband,
01:03then she had her miscarriage with Dakota,
01:05continued breaking it on and off with Dakota,
01:08then she got arrested, and now she's pregnant.
01:11It's like, when, like,
01:13I see guys, like, think with their dick,
01:14that's, like, Taylor thinks with her vagina.
01:17She does not think of, like,
01:18using protection. I don't think
01:19she thinks with anything.
01:20Oh.
01:21Love her, but sometimes I'm like,
01:24sweetheart, like, it's not that hard.
01:26Yeah.
01:29Good morning.
01:30How's it going?
01:31Good, how are you?
01:32Good.
01:33Freezing?
01:34It is cold outside.
01:36I'm so excited to go shopping.
01:38What all have you bought so far?
01:40Nothing.
01:41You haven't bought anything?
01:43I wanna wait till after the shower to get stuff,
01:45cause then you know what you do and don't need, you know?
01:47Yeah.
01:48I want to invite all of Mom Talk
01:51to come to my baby shower.
01:52I feel like this would be, like,
01:54a good, fresh start.
01:55Did you guys get her baby shower invite, though?
01:57Yeah.
01:59Are you gonna go?
01:59Obviously, yeah.
02:01Are you going?
02:03I had one of my last probation appointments.
02:08Today?
02:09Yeah.
02:11What did they say?
02:12So, this is how it works.
02:13So, I went, like, once a month every month,
02:15but now it changes to every six months I go in.
02:18So, I don't have to go in every month,
02:20which is, that's a step, you know?
02:21Yeah.
02:22So, that's good.
02:24Yeah, we just shouldn't even be there.
02:27I know.
02:28After the arrest, I was under so much stress.
02:32I was filmed leaving the jail,
02:35and then that was immediately on the internet.
02:37It was a blessing in disguise.
02:39It helped me, like, wake up.
02:41I'm not gonna go through this again, Taylor.
02:43I can't.
02:45You've aged me, like, 10 years.
02:48I've aged myself.
02:50It's put a very, I'd say, negative image on MomTalk.
02:54I think that something needs to change.
02:57We need to get back to what MomTalk was
03:00before all of this happened.
03:01Well, do you want to exclude her from it?
03:02Like, what are you saying?
03:03I just think, like, let's change the culture.
03:07The Swinger scandal, sure, we got a lot of ice.
03:10We got a lot of publicity from it.
03:11But I feel like ever since the arrest,
03:13it's been the complete opposite.
03:15I know for a lot of people, like,
03:17brand deals have gone down.
03:19We need to make sure that we have a good reputation
03:21on social media because brands aren't gonna want
03:24to work with us if they think we're going to jail
03:27and throwing stools at a wall.
03:30We need to make sure to just completely get rid
03:32of that culture because it's our livelihood.
03:34Right now, I feel like we're, like,
03:36holding on a thread here.
03:38Yeah, I feel like it's, like, rocky.
03:40And I feel like it's gonna take at least one of us
03:43to kind of step up to keep the group going.
03:45I feel like it's almost weird today
03:46doing content without Taylor.
03:47Yeah, this feels different, you know?
03:49Yeah, it is weird.
03:53I'm just, like, it's overwhelming.
03:57Like, I feel like right now I just have a lot on my plate
03:59and Dakota's, like, talking about marriage a lot.
04:04And I'm not quite, I'm not fully in.
04:10I'm so scared to, like, just get hurt, I guess.
04:14I've done, like, everything to, like, push him.
04:17I think it's more of a test.
04:18Like, are you gonna stay here with me
04:19through, like, thick and thin, you know?
04:22And so I've done these things where I'm, like,
04:24trying to push him himself.
04:25He's like, you're trying to ruin this.
04:26Like, you wanna ruin this.
04:27And he's like, you're gonna do it eventually
04:29if you keep trying it.
04:32My due date's in six to eight weeks.
04:35And I don't know if I'll, like, ever forgive myself.
04:41And that's why I, like, really push Dakota
04:43because I don't feel like I deserve
04:46this, like, happy ending life.
04:50And I think that's, like, something, like,
04:51I learned in therapy.
04:52Like, I just, like, kind of struggle.
04:58And I'm, like, terrified.
05:03Sorry, I can't talk.
05:06I'm sorry.
05:07I'm sorry.
05:08I'm sorry.
05:09I can't talk.
05:10I'm, like, hurting so bad inside.
05:13I know, I don't want you to feel that way.
05:15I think that's why I had, like, a psychotic break
05:17is because I don't know how to handle it
05:21and that much hurt that I had at one time
05:23and the whole social media was watching
05:25and I didn't know what to do.
05:28After the arrest, I lost a lot of friends.
05:31I miss having the close friendships.
05:34So I would like to just kind of start over,
05:36beginning with my baby shower.
05:39Oh, gosh, I'm sorry.
05:42I'm gonna put some lip gloss on
05:44and act like I didn't have a meltdown in the car.
05:50Oh, thank you.
05:51I know it's cute, huh?
05:52Yeah.
05:56♪ Come ye saints and come ye sinners ♪
06:00♪ Alleluia, alleluia ♪
06:04♪ Listen up, I'm the one you've been dreaming of ♪
06:09♪ I got everything you could ever want ♪
06:13♪ Try me and you'll see I'll bring you to your knees ♪
06:17♪ Baby, you're gonna believe me ♪
06:19♪ Hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle ♪
06:25♪ Hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle ♪
06:35Please, Lord, make me the biggest star
06:38the world has ever known.
06:41Should we start flying out there in the small town?
06:43My biggest thing surviving as a working mom
06:46with young kids is self-care
06:49and hanging out with my close girlfriends.
06:50I feel like I need to be on a chair.
06:53Please, Lord, make me the biggest star
06:56the world has ever known.
06:57That was it.
06:59Taylor used to be the face of mom talk,
07:01and then when that all blew up,
07:02no one really knew what mom talk stood for anymore.
07:05I feel like if mom talk is gonna remake its image,
07:08it's up to the rest of us to step up and make it happen.
07:10I know you don't wanna make it TikTok,
07:12but we've gotta pay the bills.
07:13I mean, who else is gonna pay the bills, right?
07:15Who is currently, like, the breadwinner at home?
07:21I think all of us.
07:22Yeah, definitely.
07:23For sure.
07:24All of us.
07:25Really?
07:26We all are.
07:27Look at us.
07:28Social media has been, like,
07:29the greatest blessing in that sense.
07:31I feel like we haven't done a brand deal in a long time.
07:32Zero November, zero December,
07:35and then I got three in January.
07:36I wonder if holidays were just slow.
07:40The past year has been a little rough going for mom talk
07:42after Taylor's arrest,
07:44but we still wanna keep mom talk going,
07:46and I think it's up to us to keep everything flowing.
07:49I had one brand deal, like, going into the holidays.
07:53Yeah.
07:54And then dry.
07:56What's the weirdest deal you've gotten?
07:58Me and Jen got one.
08:00A bladder.
08:01What was it?
08:02After giving birth, like, your pelvic is just so weak
08:05that you could sneeze and, like, pee yourself.
08:09Yeah, so it was for diapers.
08:10I just said yes.
08:11I'm reading the brief, and me and Jen are like,
08:13wait a minute, are these for diapers?
08:15I'm like, are you doing it?
08:16Okay.
08:17I feel like you probably have had more.
08:18You have one.
08:19Yeah.
08:20You have one.
08:21Yeah.
08:22Don't you?
08:23Yeah.
08:24Do you have a weird brand deal you wanna share with us?
08:25Guys, I genuinely need your opinion on something.
08:28What?
08:29Okay, so I got this offer, and it's like,
08:32I'm not gonna lie, like, the money is really good.
08:34I'm like, how much are we talking?
08:3620?
08:37200?
08:38200,000?
08:39No!
08:39Wait, wait.
08:4020,000.
08:4120,000.
08:4220.
08:43Okay, 20.
08:44I thought for what?
08:45It's really good money, K.
08:46What is it?
08:47What the?
08:48Oh, goodness.
08:55What the?
08:56What is it?
08:56I can't see.
08:57It's like Pleasure Toys for days.
09:01What the fuck is this?
09:03Whitney Lovett.
09:04From spreading the good word door-to-door
09:06to spreading the word about vibrators.
09:08Who would've thought?
09:10Congratulations.
09:11Is that a little microphone?
09:13Karaoke.
09:14Are you gonna sing into that?
09:15What the?
09:17Stop.
09:18What the heck?
09:19Here, you wanna see them?
09:20Let me just-
09:21What if it has my name on it?
09:22Oh, Demi.
09:23That one's for you.
09:24The Demi one.
09:25The finger pro.
09:26It's your finger, but better.
09:28Guys, I need to go upstairs real quick.
09:29I'll be right back.
09:30Stop, Laila.
09:32Okay, so what do they want you to do?
09:34Because-
09:34So, literally, all I have to do
09:37is hold it and take a picture.
09:40Like, just me and post it on my Instagram and that's it.
09:43In the Mormon religion, we're very conservative.
09:48I worry about the people that I grew up with,
09:51specifically my family,
09:53seeing me promote this sex toy
09:55because it's very, very taboo.
09:58I don't know if I'd do it for 20.
09:59I'd probably have to do at least 30.
10:01I know.
10:01I wouldn't do it for 20.
10:02I'd do it for 100, maybe.
10:03I would do it.
10:05Honestly, I think Whitney should take the deal
10:07for the vibrator.
10:08I honestly don't see anything wrong
10:10with promoting a sex toy.
10:12The amount was still not enough
10:14for me to post that on my feed,
10:15but get that back, girl.
10:17I personally would never promote a sex brand.
10:23Sex has been such a taboo topic,
10:25especially within the church for so long.
10:27It's like, if we're trying to break the mold
10:28and modernize and get to a place
10:30of normalizing things, that starts with us.
10:33More than just making TikToks,
10:34I just love this group of women getting together
10:37and having these important conversations.
10:39I also feel like this mom talk group,
10:41especially being in Utah, is breaking a norm.
10:45We're raising this new generation
10:47and things are changing and I'm loving what's changing.
10:51I think that a lot of women,
10:53because of the shame and lack of knowledge,
10:57I think a lot of women don't even orgasm.
10:59I would die.
11:01Yep.
11:02No, I'm dead ass.
11:03Never in my life.
11:04Oh, I love this.
11:06I'm like scared.
11:07Take this home with you.
11:08My name is Layla Taylor.
11:10I'm 22.
11:11I got married when I was 19.
11:13Me and my husband were then married for three years,
11:16but we ended up getting divorced.
11:17So I've only ever really dated about four people.
11:21So that's not a lot of time to discover yourself.
11:25Have you tried a toy?
11:26Yeah, and anytime I get close to the feeling of it,
11:28I get scared and I like stop.
11:30Yeah.
11:31Two kids, 22, never in my life.
11:34I went to a very Mormon populated high school.
11:37So I'd be like, okay, what's the one thing
11:38that all of my friends have in common?
11:39They're all part of the church.
11:41So I got baptized on my own when I was 16.
11:44Being black in the church,
11:46I have never taken it personally,
11:48but you definitely do stick out like a sore thumb.
11:52I feel like I'm like missing out.
11:53And I like want to, but I just-
11:55You will, once you do it once,
11:56you will want to do it all the time.
11:57I know.
11:58You'll be like a teenage boy.
11:59I know.
12:00I just want to-
12:01Should I leave it in puberty?
12:02No, she literally starts levitating.
12:04I know.
12:05Oh my God.
12:06Oh my God.
12:08Do it for yourself.
12:09Don't even do it for him.
12:10Because sex isn't just about the guy.
12:13It's about us too, you know?
12:15The more you enjoy it, the more they enjoy it, you know?
12:17I don't have that problem.
12:18I enjoy it plenty.
12:19Yeah, you definitely are.
12:20Like I ain't worried about who it's for, to be honest.
12:24Before you're married, it's like sex is taboo.
12:26But then the second you get married,
12:27you're supposed to be this like porn star for your husband.
12:29We know who the real porn star is for their husband.
12:35No!
12:36Who we looking at?
12:36Who we looking at?
12:38We've seen those nudes.
12:40My name is Jen Affleck.
12:43I am 24 years old.
12:44Zach's gonna kill me for this one.
12:46But Ben Affleck is his second cousin.
12:48I'm definitely the first Jen Affleck.
12:50Not only that, her middle name is the same as mine.
12:53Jennifer Lynn Affleck.
12:55I don't know, maybe we can convert them to the church.
12:58I am a content creator.
12:59My goal is really just to be able to provide for my family.
13:03I've always been super comfortable with my sexuality,
13:07which I definitely think has also gotten me in trouble.
13:11Because I am a conservative Mormon.
13:13I do follow all those rules.
13:15I'm not kidding, you inspired me like full like for Brett
13:19and I've never done anything else.
13:20Wait, you did it?
13:21Yes.
13:22Like you took a picture?
13:23Oh, I took so many pictures.
13:24Wait, I wanna see.
13:26What's your?
13:26Oh!
13:27Hi!
13:30Uh oh.
13:31Oh my God!
13:33Not again, not again!
13:35Jenny, what is that you undone?
13:37Your husband!
13:38I don't wanna see!
13:39No!
13:40Yes!
13:41In all her glory!
13:42There's the kitty!
13:44Here we are, a group of women in Mom Talk
13:46who can inspire other women to not be ashamed
13:49to use a sex toy, I think is very empowering.
13:51I just worry that my family would be a bit shocked
13:56by me advertising something like this.
13:59What is this?
14:00It's hot in here.
14:02What?
14:02Oh my God!
14:03Oh my God!
14:04♪ Work your back, mommy work your back ♪
14:05♪ Work your back, mommy work your back ♪
14:07♪ Work your back, mommy work your back ♪
14:09♪ Work your back, mommy work your back ♪
14:18Hi!
14:19Hi!
14:20Come on in.
14:20How's it going?
14:22You guys can sit down.
14:22What are you doing?
14:24Dishes.
14:25What are you guys up to?
14:26Your mom drugged me here, off of my job sites.
14:29Really?
14:31So what's so important you need to talk to us about?
14:33Did you not tell him, Mom?
14:35I did tell him that Dakota was probably gonna move in.
14:39Not, yeah, probably.
14:40Yeah, he's moving in.
14:43When?
14:45Today.
14:46Like, now?
14:48Yeah.
14:49I'm very excited for this next step.
14:51One, we have a child on the way,
14:53and I feel like I really just want to try to move forward,
14:58heal, and really work on our relationship.
15:00I know you guys prefer marriage before moving in,
15:03but, like, that's obviously not how it's gonna go, you know?
15:08I'm not supportive of it.
15:10Why do you have to rush it?
15:12Because we're having a baby.
15:13I know, but that doesn't matter.
15:14You'd rather me do it alone.
15:17Yeah, that's the choice you made when you got pregnant.
15:20In our religion,
15:22marriage is, like, essential to have that partnership.
15:26We believe, like, it's a sacred thing.
15:29That's what me and your mom have tried to teach you.
15:32The church teaches that we shouldn't live
15:35with a partner outside of marriage.
15:38You already got divorced, you know, at a young age,
15:40and then you bring Dakota in this
15:43when you don't know if he's 100% sober.
15:45I don't want you to be like,
15:46oh, this is not gonna work out.
15:48Okay, I have a baby from a second daddy.
15:51I don't want a revolving door of men
15:54attached to my daughter and to my grandkids.
15:57For having this baby out of wedlock,
15:59you guys can be mad all you want,
16:01but he's moving in and he's gonna help me with the baby.
16:03That's the goal is to get married.
16:04It's not like I'm having this kid
16:05and I don't want to get married ever.
16:07You want to give yourself time
16:09before you marry someone for the rest of your life again.
16:11You know, like, it's my second marriage,
16:12so it's like, I'm scared.
16:13Yeah.
16:14Again, you shouldn't have got pregnant.
16:16Which is true.
16:19Is that him?
16:20Probably.
16:23I'll go say hi and help him.
16:25I'll be right back.
16:28Hey!
16:29Hi!
16:29How's it going?
16:31Here, I'm gonna help you bring some boxes.
16:32You don't have to, babe, it's fine.
16:33Do you have any light ones?
16:34A lot of them are light.
16:35I mean, I'll get most of my heavy stuff.
16:37I just told him that you're moving in.
16:38Look at that one.
16:39Just now.
16:40Are you listening?
16:41Oh, sorry, no, what?
16:42You told him?
16:43Just now.
16:44Wait, you just told him?
16:44Yeah, I know, and that's why he's like,
16:45oh, you brought him here.
16:48He doesn't have anything?
16:49No couches?
16:50Dirty clothes.
16:51Dude, I didn't know your parents were even gonna be here.
16:53Do they need help?
16:57It's always scary.
16:58It is scary.
16:59Oh my God, oh.
17:01It's all that gray hair they've caused you to go gray.
17:04Hopefully I-
17:05What can you do?
17:06They don't ever listen to anything
17:07you tell them to do anyways, so.
17:11Seriously, do you need any help?
17:12Could we grab some then?
17:13I don't know, I think we're good.
17:14He doesn't have a whole lot.
17:15Like, I have more, but.
17:17So first of all, you knock up my daughter.
17:19Oh my gosh.
17:20And then-
17:21Dude, hey, that was an accident.
17:22Okay.
17:23What, you tripped and fell?
17:24Yeah.
17:26Yeah.
17:28So.
17:29Moving in.
17:33That's shocking.
17:34Just found out.
17:35I know.
17:36Is that how you were raised?
17:37Did you just move in with these chicks?
17:38No, no, no, no, no, no.
17:39See, here's what happened.
17:41You just knock up girls every week?
17:43No, see, everything we did, completely opposite.
17:46I think, like, realistically,
17:48we would have liked to have done it-
17:50The traditional way.
17:51The traditional way.
17:52But given our situation, I wanna also help Taylor,
17:56so I just feel like the only way for me to really do that
17:58is to be in here.
18:01I'm excited to have another life into our family.
18:04Little baby, but I do have my reservations
18:08about this whole thing.
18:09This is honestly everything I've ever wanted in my future.
18:13I just never thought it was possible for me to have.
18:16I do want a family.
18:17I want all those things.
18:18Not only that, I love your daughter.
18:20Like, I love her a lot,
18:22and we align a lot on what we want in our future together,
18:25so, which makes it really nice.
18:28We talked about that, like, even just, like,
18:30religion, I guess, as simple as, like,
18:32I wanted someone in the church to marry again,
18:37and he wanted the same.
18:39Yeah.
18:40Oh, you did?
18:40Yeah.
18:42Since the arrest and my pregnancy,
18:44I feel like I have changed spiritually.
18:47I have really looked at, like,
18:50what's important, my priorities.
18:52I want someone, like, to go to church with
18:54when we go to church.
18:55Like, I don't wanna be in a relationship where, like,
18:57I'm taking my kids alone and stuff,
18:59and I just really wanted that, like,
19:01and you have usually the same morals and values,
19:04I feel like, or do we always follow them?
19:07No, but we're pretty aligned in that way.
19:11Being pregnant and recommitting
19:14and trying to go back to church
19:15is not the typical Mormon thing to do, and most wouldn't,
19:18and I feel like they'd be a little bit more shameful,
19:20and I do have those feelings, anxiety, fear
19:23of going back in and being judged.
19:25However, I still love our faith
19:27and really wanna make an effort to go,
19:29so we are just gonna try.
19:31I think that when you're pregnant
19:32and you're bringing a life into the world,
19:35you need to be really considering marriage.
19:38It's really not that different, you know?
19:42Dakota moving in with my parents being here
19:45did not go well,
19:47but I'm hoping our baby shower goes better.
19:52♪ I got education, ain't no getting over on me ♪
19:54♪ Been through the struggle, yeah, I'm more than what you see ♪
19:57♪ Took a while to get it, so I'm holding on to success ♪
19:59♪ I don't do no drama, baby, don't hit with that mess ♪
20:02♪ You a boss and you walkin' like you hit the floor ♪
20:05Hi!
20:06Oh, look at you, you look so cute, pregnant mama.
20:09Oh, let's see.
20:11I know, look at this baby.
20:12Oh my gosh, it's getting so big.
20:13You are still small, though.
20:14What the heck?
20:15It's like you're lucky, I get huge.
20:17I know, and I'm almost, like, there.
20:19I know, sweet.
20:20So, are we looking for stuff for the baby shower?
20:22Yes, I want to show you, like, a picture.
20:24Yeah, what's the vibe?
20:26I'm having my baby shower at this venue
20:28called The White Shanty.
20:29It is Mormon-owned, and they pretty much have, like,
20:32every Mormon event you can think of.
20:34I just really want this baby shower to be perfect,
20:38and I just really need my support system back,
20:39so I just hope all my friends come and show up for me.
20:42We want to find, like, some eucalyptus.
20:43Is that what it is?
20:44Yeah, and then baby's breath, yeah, so you can kind of look.
20:47And I was looking at these, and, like, dang,
20:49I want to get some plants.
20:50I'd probably kill it on accident, though.
20:53So, I am kind of nervous about my baby shower.
20:57Why?
20:58Just to see everyone.
20:59I'm just, like, scared.
21:02Yeah.
21:03Honestly, there's just no other way to say it.
21:03I don't blame you, but I feel like
21:04when everything came out, I felt bad for you.
21:08Everyone was shitting on you, and I was like,
21:09I would hate to be in her position,
21:11even if I effed up, and everyone's like,
21:13eff you, Taylor.
21:14I'm like, I couldn't just, like,
21:15I couldn't even, like, imagine where
21:16your mental health was at.
21:17If anything, it made me, like,
21:18want to come towards you more.
21:20Like, this girl, like, needs a friend.
21:23After the scandal, and then, obviously,
21:26the arrest, the moms and mom talk.
21:28All, for sure, judged me.
21:29They didn't know the background of the story,
21:31so they were like, we don't want, like, Taylor.
21:33Those who love and support you will be there.
21:35Yeah.
21:36And I guess that can kind of give you an idea
21:37of, like, who cares and who doesn't.
21:39We don't have time for fake friends.
21:41I know.
21:42I do feel like you've done a great job
21:44at taking accountability for, like,
21:45things from the past and, like, what you've done.
21:47Yeah.
21:48You think that you take all of the accountability
21:52and you act like it's all you.
21:54And then, like, Dakota looks like this angel
21:57sent from heaven who's, like,
21:58this perfect person when he's not.
22:02Like, I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
22:05I worry because of, like, what I've seen him say to you.
22:10Me and Mikayla went to this event.
22:12Taylor shows up and then her ex walked in
22:15and immediately Taylor was, like, stressed.
22:18Dakota was freaking out.
22:19He basically was saying, like, F you.
22:22You're a nothing slut.
22:23And Taylor was sitting there, like, shaking.
22:25She doesn't deserve that.
22:27I just think that he's not treated you
22:29the way you should be treated.
22:38When we were at that event and he was texting
22:40that I was looking over your shoulder,
22:42I was reading your whole conversation.
22:44Oh, my gosh.
22:45I could see that you were, like,
22:46shedding down and you were so anxious.
22:48And I was like, what's going on?
22:49I just think that he's not treated you
22:51the way you should be treated.
22:54But I also feel like things have gotten so much better.
22:56Like, what has changed?
22:58Like, he's being less toxic or?
23:00Both of us are being less toxic.
23:03How so?
23:04Just, like, with the addiction or just, like,
23:05in the relationship?
23:06Everything.
23:08Taylor definitely hasn't confided in me as much
23:10since she got pregnant.
23:11I don't really hear much about their relationship anymore,
23:14which I knew eventually would happen.
23:15That's what usually does happen,
23:16those toxic relationships.
23:18Two weeks before she told me she was pregnant,
23:20she called me basically saying,
23:22I want to get out of this relationship.
23:24I don't know how to get out.
23:26Like, she was basically asking for my help.
23:28And then two weeks later, she's telling us she's pregnant.
23:30I always think about you, that's why I always check in.
23:32Because I'm like, I want you to know you can, like,
23:33talk to me.
23:34And I think that's why I always, like,
23:35defend you because I've been there.
23:37Yeah.
23:38Because I'm telling you so many other girls don't
23:39and they won't.
23:41And I feel like I really gave him the benefit of the doubt.
23:44But I haven't seen any progress.
23:46Maybe that's why.
23:47Like, I only know what I saw in the past.
23:48And that, like, pisses me off.
23:49Sure, there's been a lot, I will say.
23:51Yes.
23:52I can honestly say there's been so much progress.
23:55Dakota is obviously very insecure
23:57because people who are confident in themselves
23:59and the relationship, they don't act like that.
24:01But it's still no excuse for his behavior.
24:04I'm just trying to be a good friend to Taylor.
24:06And I see those red flags and it scares me.
24:09I don't trust him.
24:10I don't think he's good for Taylor.
24:11I don't think that they should be together, period.
24:16Do you think I should just do this on my own?
24:17Like, you'd rather have you be happy without this person
24:19than miserable with them just for the baby.
24:22I don't like him.
24:26I see Macy as like this protective friend.
24:29She's always defending me in situations.
24:31I do appreciate that she's blunt and always been honest.
24:34I know she wants the best for me,
24:36but at the same time,
24:36it's really hard to hear and accept as well.
24:41All right, well, I want to look at the pots they have.
24:42Yeah, let's look at the pots.
24:45♪ You wanna guess me, take your foot up off the brake ♪
24:48♪ Make no mistake, we're wide awake ♪
24:52♪ Second guess in every move, babe ♪
24:54What's up?
24:55Oh, Whitney's here.
24:56Whitney's here.
24:58This morning is so good.
24:59Yay!
25:01I'm so excited.
25:05Hey, fun, you guys already have everything out.
25:07Yeah, guess who did it?
25:09Lexi.
25:10Is she the new favorite?
25:12I don't know about new.
25:16Being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ
25:18of Latter-day Saints.
25:20I know it's a whole mouthful.
25:21My family is very conservative.
25:23My family's family is very conservative.
25:26How's your boyfriend?
25:28Good.
25:28Mom, how do you feel that he's not Mormon?
25:31He's a great kid.
25:31Why do I feel like if I were to date
25:33a non-Mormon boy in high school,
25:35mom would have absolutely said, no way?
25:38Well, now you know I wouldn't have cared.
25:41Of course, it's gonna weigh in to my decision
25:44whether or not I'm gonna promote a vibrator.
25:46I'm just trying to figure out,
25:48is this a gray area or is this an absolute
25:52do not promote this?
25:55So, mom and Lexi, I'm curious to know
25:57your point of view on this too.
26:00I got a really juicy brand deal for a vibrator.
26:06Okay.
26:07I'm gonna do it.
26:07I'm gonna do it.
26:08I'm gonna do it.
26:10Okay.
26:11Just to promote it on my social media.
26:14Why would you do that?
26:15Well, one, the money's really good.
26:19And two, and two, I feel like I can go about it
26:23where it's empowering.
26:26You don't think it's empowering?
26:30No.
26:31Why?
26:32Do you feel like that matches your platform though?
26:35Because you're all like, oh my God, kids,
26:36homemaking, vibrator.
26:40I mean, yeah, like let's empower each other.
26:44I don't think it does match.
26:47I just think a lot of that is private, personal.
26:50But I also, I wanted to,
26:52cause I like, I didn't want it to be shunned.
26:53It's like, if you need this tool
26:58to enjoy intimacy with your partner more,
27:01like there shouldn't be shame around it.
27:02Do you feel like there is with the church in sex toys?
27:06Probably, yeah.
27:08I think it's a personal thing between you and your partner.
27:11What if you were single?
27:13I'm not sure how I feel about that.
27:15You think that it should be a no-no?
27:18I think when you're seeking pleasure,
27:20it can just get out of hand.
27:22I'm gonna put these in.
27:23I feel like we were so involved in the church.
27:27Growing up, even in young women's or girls' camp
27:30or young women's activities,
27:31like whenever we would talk about the law of chastity
27:34or sex, like it was always, no, no, no, no, no.
27:38There's this verse I remember
27:40where it talks about how sex was comparable to murder.
27:44And so that's what's going in my mind as a young woman.
27:49I even had the sex talk before I got married to Connor
27:53and I was a virgin.
27:58I had to figure it out on my own.
28:00Wait, wait.
28:01My wedding night should have come from a horror movie.
28:05That was a horrible, horrible night.
28:08It was a conversation that was never had,
28:10so we both just went in this blindly.
28:13Okay, maybe not a horror movie, a comedy.
28:16In some schools, you're taught sex ed.
28:19I don't know if it's a Utah thing, but no.
28:22Like when I would watch these movies
28:24and they'd hold the banana
28:25and put the condom on the banana,
28:26I'm like, never at my school.
28:30I remember at your shower that your friends threw you.
28:34Yeah, the bachelorette party.
28:35I mean, you had to know, you guys had penis cookies.
28:38I was kind of like, what is going on?
28:40I had just had another baby.
28:42She was a toddler, cut me some slack.
28:45You should have taught me how you had the baby.
28:48Obviously you figured it out.
28:50I wish that I had conversations with my mom
28:54about topics such as this.
28:57And it's hard because, you know,
28:58my mom was raised in the church
29:00and her mom didn't talk to her about it.
29:02We just never did talk about it.
29:04So I just took that as,
29:05oh, this is just something you don't talk about.
29:07It was, this is shameful, horrible,
29:10don't ever do this, don't even think about it.
29:12If you do, you're a horrible person.
29:14Like that's literally what I believe.
29:16If I could go back in time,
29:18I would check that off of my parenting list
29:20to make sure that I asked
29:21if there was anything that you wanted to know
29:23that you didn't know.
29:25Oh, I love you, mom.
29:27The sex is great now, if you were wondering.
29:29Oh.
29:30Oh.
29:32And you know what made it better?
29:34Toys.
29:35So I wish my mom had talked to me about it,
29:37but I'm so happy that she's listening now.
29:40Sex can be viewed in religion as like disgusting,
29:43but times are changing.
29:45It's a new generation coming in.
29:47With mom talk, we're here, we're embracing our sexuality.
29:51It's empowering and it's exciting and it's fun.
29:55Oh.
29:56I think I'm gonna do it.
29:58I think I'm gonna promote at the vibrator.
30:01You hate it.
30:02You hate it so much.
30:04Well, there's lots of things I don't agree with,
30:07but that's okay.
30:10The cycle ends here.
30:12I'm going to have this conversation
30:13because it needs to be had.
30:15Maybe I'll send you one.
30:17It's okay.
30:21You don't need to send me one.
30:24Hey, you!
30:26I really want to!
30:27Hey, you!
30:29Na na na na na na.
30:34Be careful.
30:35Watch your step.
30:37This slushy.
30:39Hello.
30:40Hey, guys.
30:41Welcome to the show.
30:42How are you?
30:43Have you guys sit right over here?
30:44I'm doing well.
30:45How are you guys?
30:46Good.
30:47Thank you so much.
30:48This is so cool.
30:49This is cool.
30:50Oh, yes.
30:51This was awesome.
30:51Thank you so much.
30:52You're welcome.
30:55Who's going to the baby shower?
30:56Invited my family, your family,
30:59and then I think mostly all of my close mom friends
31:01are coming.
31:02They'll be there.
31:03Is it all the mom talk girls and stuff?
31:05Yeah.
31:06Mom talk.
31:06How was Macy?
31:09Didn't she go to the flower shop with her?
31:11It was good.
31:12We kind of just caught up.
31:12She asked about how we were doing.
31:14Oh, she's still talking shit?
31:16Like always?
31:17No.
31:18Yeah.
31:18That's all she does.
31:19She doesn't like me.
31:21It's not that she doesn't like you.
31:22It's like she's been the one friend
31:24that I've opened up to about things.
31:26So she's of course just-
31:27No, no, no, no.
31:28She's petty.
31:29I'm sorry.
31:30Like, like there's a difference.
31:31Like I've opened up to my friends too.
31:34Taylor, she doesn't like any picture you post of us.
31:37Like she's so petty.
31:38She won't even like the picture.
31:40Who does that?
31:41Sorry.
31:42That's weird.
31:44I don't know where she seems like she has this right
31:46to like-
31:47Because I confide in her.
31:49She's the only person you confide in?
31:51Mm-hmm.
31:53I don't confide in a lot of people,
31:54but I haven't even tried.
31:56I am scared of friendships right now.
31:58Like just like, kind of like I'm scared of like a marriage
32:01and everything, like just from everything that's gone on.
32:03Like I am scared to have close friends.
32:06I really am because the close friends
32:07that I had the last five years
32:08were not even really my friends
32:09and were gone in the snap of a fingers.
32:11Macy was one of the first ones to come and be my friend.
32:14I have screwed up with MomTalk twice now.
32:18First the scandal and then my arrest.
32:20So I do feel on the outs,
32:23insecure and probably a little bit judged.
32:27I don't know all of their intentions
32:29and I don't think you ever really do know your friendships
32:31until something happens and then you find out the hard way.
32:35And I don't want there to be drama.
32:36And so I'm hoping that MomTalk,
32:39they will kind of give me another shot
32:41and we can all have a fresh start together.
32:51♪ No more playing, so I'm running out of patience. ♪
32:55♪ I'm running out of, I'm running out of. ♪
32:58He is so funny.
32:59Yeah.
33:00I want purple plastic.
33:01Hi.
33:02Hi.
33:05Awesome, thank you.
33:06You look like Jane Sand.
33:07Ooh.
33:10Whoa, this feels so weird.
33:12Oh, look, he's like, Mom, no.
33:14You can do it buddy.
33:16It's Himalayan salt.
33:17Yeah.
33:18So it's supposed to be really good
33:20So it's like anytime my kids are sick or if I'm sick,
33:22like I'm like, uh, we need to go to a salt cave.
33:25Can you eat it?
33:26My kids do.
33:29Okay, wait, what are you wearing?
33:30The Taylor's baby shower.
33:31I don't know if I'm gonna go to that.
33:34Why?
33:35I don't have that kind of relationship with her.
33:37We've cultivated this relationship online,
33:40but we don't have one in real life.
33:42And I don't even think she'd care.
33:44The whole time I've known her,
33:45it's always been give, give, give
33:48and it's never been reciprocated.
33:50And I'm just kind of like,
33:51well, then why am I still giving?
33:52Why am I still supporting?
33:53Why am I still entertaining this relationship
33:55when there's nothing even there?
33:58It's like, I know it's gonna be fun,
33:59but it's like, I don't wanna do that anymore.
34:03I wanna lead mom talk back in the direction
34:05that it was originally founded on.
34:08I am not supporting this fake friendship
34:11that we don't have anymore.
34:13I just feel like I have to walk around on eggshells.
34:17Every time I'm around her,
34:19because of this audience that she has on social media,
34:22it's like, I'm so intimidated by it.
34:24I'm like, oh my God,
34:25look what she did to her best friends.
34:27Look how she fucked them over.
34:30When this whole mom talk swinger drama happened,
34:33it was immediate crash.
34:36We were all in this massive group chat
34:37and then people are just fighting back and forth.
34:39Friendships were torn apart
34:41because of what Taylor was saying.
34:43And it sucks that she even allowed
34:45something like that to happen.
34:46Online, it looks like we're all the bestest of friends.
34:49It's like, but we're not.
34:51All she cares about is herself.
34:52I genuinely feel that way.
34:55This is definitely typical Whitney.
34:56She will have problems with somebody, have tension,
35:00and she just wants to avoid it
35:01rather than to talk to them.
35:02Every time we're together,
35:03she has to create a TikTok
35:04and it has to make sure that she's shown as the queen bee
35:07and we're all these girls who kiss her ass
35:10and lick her pee and I'm like,
35:11I'm done with that facade.
35:12I don't wanna entertain it anymore.
35:14I'm out.
35:15I'm not really sure why Whitney
35:17would consider not going to this,
35:19especially just because one of the purposes
35:21of our group and mom talk is that we come together
35:23and we support each other
35:24through all the things that we're going through in life.
35:27She was getting a divorce.
35:29She was having an affair.
35:30She got arrested.
35:31I'm done with that.
35:33I feel like all of us in mom talks,
35:34really important that we all stay strong and united.
35:37It makes me honestly really worried
35:39that Whitney might not show up.
35:41I don't trust her.
35:42I don't feel safe around her.
35:43I don't want anything to do with her
35:45and I think that's fine.
35:47♪ I'm a queen bee, royalty ♪
35:53♪ Off with your head if you're such a mean ♪
35:56♪ Stone cold, breaking bones ♪
35:59♪ It's a road, road to the throne ♪
36:02♪ Say nothing, don't mess with the queen bee ♪
36:06Actually, I have an idea.
36:07What if I'm gonna put all the greenery on here
36:10and then we'll just keep this one the green.
36:12Hey Taylor, what did you wanna do with the welcome sign?
36:15Do you want it on the table?
36:17And yeah, we have easels we could put it on.
36:18What do you think would look best?
36:20I think if you used an easel.
36:22Let's do that.
36:23Yes.
36:24Yes.
36:26I'm kind of nervous.
36:30With the arrest, I don't know necessarily
36:32if the girls did judge or have any opinions about it.
36:36I came back to the church, try to get my life together
36:39and just kind of redeem myself
36:41and I'm like finally getting there.
36:43We're moving, we're progressing.
36:46But I feel like I have distanced myself
36:50from all of my friends.
36:52I don't know who's gonna show up and who's not.
36:55But I do want them there for me.
36:57I don't wanna do this alone.
36:58I'm stressed.
36:59I'm like anxiety attack.
37:11♪ I know secrets don't make friends ♪
37:13♪ I don't care if I offend ♪
37:15♪ You know rules that then depend ♪
37:17♪ I will keep them till the end ♪
37:20♪ Rumors spread like fire ♪
37:23♪ But a good liar can't stay immune ♪
37:29♪ I know secrets don't make friends ♪
37:31♪ I don't care if I offend ♪
37:33♪ You know rules that then depend ♪
37:36♪ I will keep them till the end ♪
37:38♪ I know secrets don't make friends ♪
37:40♪ I don't care if I offend ♪
37:42Hi, it's the bitches right here.
37:43Look at those babies.
37:45Despite my issues with Dakota,
37:47I know it's important to be able to show up for Taylor
37:49for her baby's shower.
37:50She has gone through so much in the last year.
37:52I wanna make sure she feels loved and supported.
37:54I think when Taylor sees us group of girls
37:56rallying around her,
37:57she'll be more excited and happy to come back to mom talks
38:00so we can all be together.
38:00I think it's important to be able to show up for her
38:02for her baby's shower.
38:03She has gone through so much in the last year.
38:05I wanna make sure she feels loved and supported.
38:07I think when Taylor sees us group of girls
38:08rallying around her,
38:09she'll be more excited and happy to come back to mom talks
38:11so we can all be together.
38:12I think when Taylor sees us group of girls
38:13rallying around her,
38:14she'll be more excited and happy to come back to mom talks
38:16so we can all be together.
38:17I am here to fully support her on her journey
38:19and whatever her journey looks like.
38:20Even if she's taken a step back lately,
38:22which I totally understand and respect,
38:24I have supported Taylor through all of the ups and downs
38:28throughout mom talk and this is no different.
38:31Look at your cute little belly.
38:32With the ribbon,
38:34you are gonna cut how big you think Taylor is
38:37and then whoever is the closest to guessing how big she is
38:41wins a prize.
38:42I just feel like he's gonna be such a sweet dad.
38:43He is, he's gonna be really cute.
38:47What was that?
38:48Nothing.
38:49I think he'll be a great dad.
38:50The baby daddy part is where I think we worry a little bit.
38:53There's just like stuff from the past
38:55that I think still bugs me.
38:56When we were at that event,
38:57he was saying like,
38:58F you, like,
39:00they said like you're an F-ing whore or something.
39:03Okay, you guys have your ribbons.
39:06I would love to check for you guys.
39:08Do a check.
39:09Awkward.
39:10I know.
39:11That was close.
39:13I'm gonna put my hand on your belly
39:14because I love it. Sure.
39:15Do you guys know where Whitney is?
39:16Oh, is Whitney not here yet?
39:18I don't know.
39:20Fashionably late.
39:23Is she coming?
39:25Last night I was with her and she's not coming.
39:29Wait, what?
39:31Yeah.
39:32Did she tell her she's not coming?
39:34No, and I told her maybe she should,
39:36but she said that Taylor's probably not even gonna notice.
39:39I am shocked that Whitney is not coming to the baby shower.
39:42At the same time,
39:43I know she's not a big fan of Taylor right now,
39:45so it doesn't surprise me,
39:47but she should at least send her a text.
39:49I feel like this is sending a message to Taylor
39:51that she does not wanna be friends
39:52and she does not care about Taylor.
39:54You should say why.
39:55I don't wanna go into like too much detail,
39:57but she just says that she just doesn't wanna
39:59be involved with Taylor.
40:01Can I get a pic with all of you girls?
40:03Is everyone here?
40:05I think so.
40:06Whitney, where's Whitney?
40:07Oh, yeah, Whitney's not here.
40:08I don't know if she's coming.
40:09What do you mean?
40:11Did she say she wasn't coming?
40:14I guess she told Layla last night she couldn't come.
40:16I honestly think she-
40:17Do you know why?
40:18Why isn't she coming?
40:22Wait, Whitney's not coming?
40:23You're like the worst liar ever.
40:25I know.
40:26Just be honest.
40:26Well, that's sad.
40:27Layla knows, I don't know.
40:28You guys don't have a friendship,
40:29so she felt like she didn't need to come today
40:31because you guys don't have a friendship.
40:33Oh, that's news to me.
40:35I don't wanna be the one to have to bring it up.
40:37She was the messenger.
40:38I was just hoping you wouldn't notice,
40:40so I wouldn't have to say anything.
40:40That she's not here?
40:42The tension between Whitney and Taylor
40:45is very tangible with them at all times.
40:50It's like you're either team Taylor or you are team Whitney.
40:54I feel like they both love the spotlight in different ways,
40:57but they both have this very alpha female energy,
41:01and that seems to be the bigger issue.
41:06You're okay.
41:07Do you know this?
41:08What?
41:09Yeah.
41:10Because she said so.
41:10We have no friendship.
41:11Yeah, do you?
41:12Bye.
41:18Hello?
41:19Hey, Whitney?
41:21Yeah.
41:22This is Leante's mom.
41:23How's it going?
41:25Good, what's up?
41:26Good.
41:27I was just calling because I noticed you weren't here.
41:29Your mom called Whitney.
41:31Oh my God.
41:34Yeah.
41:35Taylor's mom called Whitney.
41:38I would die if my mom did that.
41:40What is going on?
41:43I don't know.
41:44I think that's more of a conversation
41:45between me and Taylor.
41:51There's a clear division in mom talk.
41:54Sinners versus saints.
41:56Zach's parents are very conservative.
41:58They don't smoke, they don't drink.
42:00I thought it was a graduation party.
42:02You guys are all boring.
42:04We're hosting Luka's baby blessing.
42:07It's like super sacred and spiritual.
42:09You just don't want any bad energy.
42:11I didn't know we were uninvited.
42:12That was to hurt you.
42:13It's kind of like the mean girls in a sense,
42:15because it's like them three against the world.
42:16Demi, I have a gift for you though.
42:19Oh my God.
42:23This was completely intimate and off the table.
42:26It is very hypocritical because she wants
42:28to create this safe space with mom talk.
42:31I just think it's below the belt.
42:33Oh my God.
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