The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 1 Episode 4
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00:00Woo, girls' trip.
00:03So cute.
00:04Yeah, I did it.
00:05Yeah, I really pulled, baby.
00:08I've never seen anything like it.
00:11So I'm really excited, because I've been planning
00:13a girls' trip for my birthday.
00:15So we're going to stay in this really nice little penthouse
00:17and have a girls' weekend away.
00:19Oh, I'm so excited.
00:22But since the baby blessing, there's
00:24a clear division, sinners versus saints,
00:27because Jen uninvited Jessie, Taylor, Layla, and Demi.
00:32I feel like we have this weird divide right now,
00:34like the sinners and the angels are at the baby blessing.
00:38So I'm really hoping that by the end of the trip,
00:41we will be one united group again.
00:43How's it going to be with seeing Taylor?
00:45It's going to be a boxing match.
00:47Ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:48Who's going to win?
00:49Well, she's pregnant, so you can't do that.
00:51Oh, yeah, I forgot she's pregnant.
00:53I forgot.
00:54And it's still me.
00:56We're getting there first, so I think we get first.
00:58Yeah.
00:59Taylor, I feel like you're kind of quiet right now.
01:01I'm anxious, like very anxious.
01:03I'm going to pop my anxiety meds when we get there.
01:06Oh, you already did.
01:07If there's any, like, confrontation,
01:10like you're stuck with that person for the weekend,
01:12like, you can't just leave.
01:14It feels really good to be back with the girls.
01:17I have missed them.
01:18I've missed the friendship of mom talk.
01:21And I am really grateful that they've, like, given
01:23me, like, the second chance.
01:25I'm anxious about the girls' trip.
01:27I have some hard conversations I need to have with Whitney.
01:30I want to know why she didn't come to my baby shower
01:33and why there's this elephant in the room.
01:35I want to see where she's coming from,
01:37kind of understand why she feels these feelings towards me.
01:39Just know this, Taylor, if things get wild,
01:41I've got your back.
01:42Yeah.
01:43Oh, really?
01:44Yeah.
01:45That's sweet of you.
01:46I'm still mad at Whitney.
01:47First, the Fruity Cereal incident,
01:48then becoming the victim.
01:50Demi, I have a gift for you.
01:52Oh, god.
01:53So dumb.
01:54Tensions are high.
01:55I have a surprise coming later.
01:57So this weekend should be pretty interesting.
02:03Come ye saints and come ye sinners.
02:07Alleluia.
02:08Alleluia.
02:09Alleluia.
02:10Just know I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
02:16I've got everything you could ever want.
02:21Try me in your sleep.
02:22I'll bring you to your knees.
02:24Baby, you're gonna believe.
02:46We're here!
02:47Woo!
02:48We made it!
02:50Cute.
02:51Very cute.
02:52Girls trip.
02:53Follow me, ladies, to the penthouse suite.
02:57Welcome home, ladies.
02:59Woo!
03:00It's the perfect thing.
03:02Right?
03:03My eyes turned.
03:04I was, like, not expecting that.
03:06Stacey.
03:07Wait, this is so cute.
03:09Oh, cute.
03:11Nice.
03:13I gotta pop one of these.
03:15Just moms and snacks.
03:17You and Brad were right?
03:19I was definitely in a little bit of a disagreement just over the whole Fruity Pebbles thing.
03:23Oh, no.
03:24Oh, shoot.
03:25Yeah.
03:26And he wasn't, like, a prude about it.
03:27He was like, I get it.
03:28I want you to be excited.
03:29I want you to be able to talk about these things.
03:30But I don't want to feel like I have to second guess what I'm about to do in the bedroom.
03:33Yeah.
03:34So I was like, I get that.
03:35That doesn't make sense.
03:36And I do feel bad because I feel like I, like, betrayed him in a way.
03:38It's, I take full accountability that I'm the one that opened the can of worms.
03:43But it does bother me the way that Whitney went about that.
03:47It just felt a little tacky to me.
03:49Yeah.
03:50Yeah.
03:51I could tell you were so upset.
03:52Is Whitney level-headed enough to have that conversation with, like, how is that conversation
03:55gonna go?
03:56I don't know.
03:57I don't know.
03:58I feel like, well, maybe she should stop doing things then.
04:01Yeah.
04:02Whitney's been one of my really good friends for two years now.
04:05She likes to think that she's self-aware but she doesn't take accountability a lot of the
04:11time.
04:12Even I would have been like, hey, sorry I didn't send you a message about not coming
04:14to your shower.
04:15Like, I don't know.
04:17Yeah, the fact that she can go about life and go about those situations just, like,
04:21unbothered.
04:22Yeah.
04:23That makes me nervous.
04:24I'm honestly surprised to hear that other people have issues with Whitney.
04:28I thought I was maybe the only one on the outside of it with her.
04:32But we work together, we do lots of events together.
04:35I would like to be a good friend to her and I'm really hoping that we can hash this out.
04:40I'm so excited!
04:41Birthday girlie!
04:42Birthday girlie!
04:43Birthday!
04:44Birthday!
04:45Birthday!
04:46Birthday!
04:47Wait.
04:48I can't believe this has this many rooms.
04:49Shut the fuck up.
04:50Welcome to paradise.
04:51Oh, it's so cute in here.
04:52Whitney!
04:53Oh my gosh.
04:54Shut up!
04:55This.
04:56This.
04:57This.
04:58This.
04:59This.
05:00This.
05:01This.
05:02This.
05:03This.
05:04This.
05:05This.
05:06This.
05:07This.
05:08This.
05:09This!
05:09This!
05:10This!
05:11This!
05:12Oh my God, this is so cute!
05:14Let's go.
05:15Oh my god, it's so cute!
05:18I got everyone matching sweat.
05:20Mom talk, shot, this is so cute!
05:25Whitney has come bearing gifts.
05:27Matching sweat sets.
05:29It was so thoughtful of her and I'm not going to lie, it's kind of refreshing to see this
05:33side of Whitney.
05:34Why don't we go in the Jacuby?
05:37Oh my god.
05:38This is so relaxing.
05:40Jen looks like she can't see.
05:42It's like all on your lashes.
05:44Should we get out?
05:46Yeah, let's go.
05:48I'm over it.
06:02I think my favorite thing about our group of women
06:04is that we all just like to have a good time
06:06and we just have so much fun together.
06:08So is Zach with your kids?
06:10Mm-hmm.
06:12Okay.
06:14Yep.
06:16How's he feeling about being alone with them?
06:18I think Jordan's freaking out.
06:20He's like, uh, are any of the nannies available?
06:22I'm like, you'll be fine.
06:24Stop it.
06:26So he's not really the stay-at-home dad right now?
06:28No, I mean, he is,
06:30but I could never see him just being at home 24-7.
06:32Guys, I mean, would Zach ever do that?
06:34We definitely still have, like,
06:36our tough days where, like,
06:38we just aren't on the same page.
06:40In his head, I think he thinks, you know,
06:42after 15 years, he'll be the provider,
06:44so he's like, my job's more important
06:46because, like, I'm going to be providing for us for life.
06:48But he can't get there without you doing it now.
06:50Exactly.
06:52So that's where we, like...
06:54That is so hard.
06:56I'm currently the breadwinner in my relationship.
06:58I'm providing for my kids,
07:00my husband to go to medical school,
07:02and I think this is super hard for him.
07:04Coming from a traditional family...
07:06And they have good intentions,
07:08but it comes from a place sometimes of them telling you
07:10what you can and can't do.
07:12100%.
07:14And we're both strong women, and so I feel like we're like, no.
07:16But then it causes an issue.
07:18For sure.
07:20The male typically being the sole provider
07:22within our religion
07:24makes our situation a little bit tricky,
07:26and so there's definitely
07:28a lot of tension in our relationship.
07:30I used to be the person that would just say yes to everything,
07:32and now I don't.
07:34You're finding your voice.
07:36Yes! And you know what?
07:38I'm like, I'm proud of that.
07:40I'm like, shoot, you better be making a lot of money by then.
07:42This better be worth it.
07:44I thought it was bullshit when Jen made this decision
07:46to uninvite us from the baby blessing,
07:48and I do think it was Zach behind that decision
07:50because I know Jen, she's very welcoming,
07:52and I think that Zach really put his foot down in this situation.
07:54But right now, she's opening up,
07:56and I'm feeling really optimistic
07:58and looking forward.
08:00By the time he's done with medical school,
08:02I'll probably be making more money than he'll ever make.
08:04No, literally. It's not funny.
08:06You're like, my side gig actually provides for us.
08:08No, like, literally.
08:10What do you know?
08:12Like, literally.
08:22I don't know what I'm going to wear.
08:24What are you guys wearing?
08:26Oh, shiz.
08:28What?
08:30Not my garments.
08:32Oh, everyone, I have some information.
08:34The garment queen forgot her garment.
08:38I'm dead.
08:40Yeah, you know, the reason why I wear garments
08:42is when you go through the temple
08:44or when you get married
08:46and you've committed to this person
08:48and you've committed to God,
08:50wearing them is supposed to be, like,
08:52a constant reminder for you daily.
08:54Wait, you didn't pack any?
08:56She forgot.
08:58I tried them last minute.
09:00She forgot.
09:02We're going to get struck down.
09:04A male chef's coming tonight,
09:06so she will be wearing a low-cut single.
09:08His tits are going to be way out tonight.
09:10It might be time to pump.
09:12Wait, did you bring underwear?
09:14No, I literally didn't bring anything.
09:16Like, you don't have a thing.
09:18I don't have anything.
09:20Can you doordash garments?
09:24Whoo!
09:26Dinner!
09:28Nice!
09:30Did you do this all yourself, Macy?
09:32I made this, everyone.
09:34Who's saying the prayer?
09:36Yes, absolutely. We have a meal.
09:38Jen, you want to say the prayer?
09:40Sure. Dear Heavenly Father,
09:42we're so grateful for this day.
09:44We're so grateful for this time
09:46that we could spend together.
09:48And please bless this food.
09:50It will give us strength and strengthen our bodies
09:52and they say these things
09:54in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
09:56Amen.
09:58Praise the Lord, hallelujah.
10:00Whitney, are you drinking rose?
10:02It is.
10:04Want a taste?
10:06All right, are we doing a little cheers for Macy?
10:08To me?
10:10I'm happy because things look like
10:12they're going good so far,
10:14so I think we're all just hoping it stays that way.
10:16Okay, raise a toast for Macy.
10:18Macy!
10:20Cheers!
10:22Happy 21st!
10:24Happy 16th!
10:26Thank you!
10:28Should we go around and do an
10:30I love you because?
10:32I love Macy because
10:34I know I could tell her absolutely anything
10:36and she wouldn't judge me for it.
10:38She just gets my sense of humor.
10:40I feel like we're very...
10:42Actually, we're not similar.
10:44We're actually quite opposite.
10:46But that's what makes it the best.
10:48You are just genuinely yourself
10:50and I think you're amazing.
10:52You're blunt.
10:54You just say how it is to people's face
10:56and some people will call that bitchy.
11:00I actually really like that.
11:02I love all of you.
11:04Thank you for being here.
11:06I'm glad we could all come together in peace.
11:08My favorite thing to do, which is to eat.
11:10Guys, I have something for you.
11:12I have a little activity.
11:14Okay, everyone, I brought a truth box.
11:18This is full 100%
11:20honesty tonight.
11:22I'm hoping
11:24we are able to share
11:26if there is existing tension
11:28that we're able to be honest and work through those things.
11:30No, I'm gonna die.
11:32This sucks because this group of girls
11:34even if this is meant to be
11:36lighthearted and good intentions,
11:38it's not going to be.
11:40This is so stupid.
11:42It's an anonymous truth box, really.
11:44If you really want to tell someone the truth,
11:46you have to do it face to face.
11:48Demi's truth box, this is the worst idea I've ever heard
11:50in my entire life.
11:52So, in here I have cards
11:54that you're gonna write a question on.
11:56And we don't know who said what, right?
11:58No, they're all anonymous.
12:00Leave them anonymous.
12:02So, I'm gonna pass out the cards,
12:04write it down on the card, fold it in half,
12:06and then just put it back in the box.
12:08Okay, here we go.
12:10I'm really not wanting to do this.
12:12I personally am excited for it.
12:14I don't have much to release.
12:16Everyone just kind of knows my dirty laundry already.
12:18But I'm curious to hear other people's.
12:20Okay, is everyone done?
12:22Should we go change?
12:24Let's go change.
12:26The whole intention of this truth box
12:28is to say the things that you want to say.
12:30And honestly,
12:32I want to clear the air with Whitney,
12:34hash out what we need to hash out,
12:36and move past this.
12:38So, who's getting the short straw?
12:40Who's going first?
12:42Saw my name.
12:44Layla, if you could sleep with one of your friend's husbands,
12:46who would it be and why?
12:58I'm not gonna go take Brett from him.
13:00He wouldn't even give me a chance.
13:02Are you kidding me?
13:04I would never.
13:06But theoretically, if you guys weren't together,
13:08I would find him like a treat.
13:14Alright, next.
13:16Jen, which girl in this room would you go lesbian for?
13:18Prove it!
13:20Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark.
13:22Oh gosh.
13:24It's Kay.
13:26I've done that.
13:28Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss.
13:30I do.
13:32I think I'm gonna go hot.
13:34Ew.
13:36God.
13:38Whitney.
13:40God, every time someone's reading a part of my heart.
13:42Why don't you like Taylor?
13:44Are you just jealous of her clout?
13:48Oh god.
13:50Oh my god.
13:52Literally, in my mind,
13:54I'm like, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit.
14:02I don't think I'm jealous of Taylor's clout.
14:04I think I was jealous of
14:06the forgiveness that Taylor got
14:08during that time of her whole swinger drama
14:10that I feel like I didn't get.
14:12Wait, forgiveness for what?
14:14Just like the RSV video.
14:22Two weeks after I had given birth,
14:24Connor took Liam to our pediatrician.
14:28The doctor is testing his oxygen levels
14:30and the doctor's like,
14:32these are scarcely low.
14:34You need to take him to the emergency room right now.
14:38So Connor rushes Liam to the emergency room.
14:40The first couple days were a bit scary,
14:42but then he was getting better.
14:46And so I'm thinking,
14:48let's do something fun.
14:50And I made a video.
14:56In that video,
14:58people felt that I was using my child's sickness
15:00for clout and for attention.
15:02Everyone was so quick to forgive Taylor online.
15:04Her swinging.
15:06And then I just feel like I still get
15:08shredded to pieces almost every single video.
15:10But no, I'm not jealous of Taylor's clout.
15:12And I feel like,
15:14if I don't like her,
15:16I feel like that's a completely different conversation
15:18for a different time.
15:20Yeah.
15:22I am very confused,
15:24because I'm like, girl,
15:26you have no idea the amount of bullying,
15:28threats, and comments
15:30that I have received on a
15:32daily basis up until today
15:34on how awful of a person I am.
15:36So I think I got way more trash
15:38than she has by far.
15:40It's so crazy
15:42to me that Whitney's not honest with Taylor
15:44about her feelings of jealousy, because she is
15:46very open about it when Taylor's not around.
15:48And when asked straight to her face,
15:50Whitney lies about it. Come on, girl.
15:52The truth has got to come out sometime.
15:54Taylor, if you found out today that Dakota lied
15:56and actually slept with Jenna that night,
15:58would you leave him even though you were
16:00having his baby?
16:02100,000% would be dead to me.
16:06Wait, we need a little backstory.
16:08So we weren't officially dating.
16:10He had originally slept with a girl,
16:12lied about it, ended up telling me the truth.
16:14He was like, okay, I'm so sorry.
16:16And I was like, it's good, we're not dating.
16:18And then he went off with another girl, which is Jenna.
16:20I asked him if he slept with her, and he said
16:22he only kissed her. He's sworn on his life.
16:24If that ever comes out, that you guys did
16:26anything else, I will leave you in a snap of the fingers.
16:28So I was like, so if you did,
16:30just come clear now.
16:32And he's sworn on his life that he didn't.
16:34So even now, even though that was like...
16:36100%, it wouldn't even be a question. I'd leave in a heartbeat.
16:40Okay, next question.
16:42To me, did you ever say that
16:44Jen is too Mormon?
16:48I've never said she's too Mormon.
16:50I have said that you
16:52bring it up in conversation a lot.
16:54Can't do that, because da-da-da.
16:56Or like, can't wear that, because my garments are da-da-da.
16:58It's just brought up a lot.
17:00And to me...
17:02So that would stop you from hanging out with me?
17:04No. Being friends with me?
17:06No. Which is funny, you were giggling, because
17:08you were the one that told her this, obviously.
17:10Yeah. Demi actually told me something
17:12about you. Recently? Yeah.
17:14Yeah.
17:16Something about being very Mormon.
17:18And you guys both agreed?
17:20No, we did not.
17:22Yes, you did. Absolutely not.
17:24That's not a word. Well, we didn't,
17:26but I'll say that we did.
17:28Yes, you did. No, we did not.
17:30Ultimately, did I say that
17:32Jen is too Mormon? I did.
17:34And I stand by that.
17:36The question isn't what
17:38struck a nerve with me, necessarily.
17:40It was who I knew that information
17:42came from. We were shocked.
17:44We were like, really? We thought you were friends with Jen.
17:46I was friends with Jen, but then when I brought it up,
17:48she said, I totally understand where you're coming from.
17:50She can be that way. Did I say that, Macy?
17:52Did I say that? She wasn't...
17:54I don't remember. Talk to Jen.
17:56You guys work it out. No, don't be that bitch.
17:58Don't say, I'm gonna tell the story, then don't talk to me.
18:00No, we're right here. Okay.
18:02When I said, it's a little bit annoying
18:04how it's like, look at me, I'm so Mormon.
18:06And then you said, I totally get where you're coming from.
18:08She can be that way.
18:10This is so stupid. Please.
18:12Somebody come in this door
18:14and shoot me, because I do not
18:16want to be here anymore.
18:18But what's so confusing to me is that
18:20you would rate yourself a 9 out of 10
18:22on the Mormon scale, yet I'm too Mormon for you.
18:24It's not about being too Mormon. I don't go around
18:26saying, I'm hosting a BYU
18:28Mormon graduation. I'm wearing my
18:30garments for the 7,000th time.
18:32I'm solid in who I am, and I don't need to
18:34go around saying, I am Mormon.
18:36But I feel like often, you will wear that
18:38as like a badge of honor, and to me,
18:40it's kind of gaggy. Okay, what's frustrating
18:42is that you didn't confront me first,
18:44and I feel like now you're like notorious
18:46for doing this for a lot of people, like calling
18:48Taylor white trash.
18:54When Whitney told me that
18:56Demi said I was too Mormon for her,
18:58she also told me
19:00that Demi called
19:02Taylor white trash. Demi
19:04called Taylor white trash.
19:06That's kind of harsh.
19:08That's really harsh. You don't just say,
19:10I wouldn't even say that. I don't like Taylor.
19:12It seems like you keep doing this.
19:14What are you talking about? Wait, so when did you
19:16call me white trash? Let me explain
19:18where that was coming from. I had just
19:20gotten done explaining to the girls
19:22the night of the party that we came over.
19:24We were like super drunk, so I don't even know if you remember this.
19:26But you were like coming over, kissing
19:28Brett on the head, kissing me on the head, and being like,
19:30I love you guys, and like being touchy.
19:32Granted, I knew nothing that was going on.
19:34You started being super like
19:36flirty with Brett, and like laughing with him,
19:38and leaning over the couch, and I was like
19:40No.
19:421,000% Brett was there, I can confirm.
19:44You were leaning over the couch, and you were like
19:46teeheehee, like laughing into him,
19:48and you were like talking directly to him
19:50while I was sitting right there on the couch.
19:52I was like watching you go from
19:54like husband to husband,
19:56flirty, whatever. Well, I was like
19:58considered a swinger, so yeah, I'm in shock.
20:00But I didn't know that at the time. So from my perspective,
20:02I'm thinking, I got invited to a couple's
20:04party, and this is trashy.
20:06It's a complete shit show.
20:08In the shitter, the sewer
20:10does shit everywhere. Shit, shit, shit.
20:12But, honestly,
20:14I love it.
20:16But it still doesn't make it acceptable to call.
20:18I'm not saying that. Shush.
20:20What I'm saying is that I
20:22It's not shusher. No, no.
20:24I don't want to hear your judgment, because you haven't even listened to what I'm
20:26saying, and you weren't in the situation.
20:28In that moment when I had
20:30just told everyone what had happened,
20:32I feel like all those feelings came up, and I just get
20:34kind of loose-lipped, and I'm just like, honestly,
20:36yeah, a lot of what she does is trashy, and like,
20:38yeah, I'm not surprised. That is trashy. So what else is
20:40trashy that I do, then, since a lot of it is?
20:42Well, I mean, the whole swinging thing was trashy.
20:44We got that down. What else? No, I know.
20:46That's what I'm saying. You're saying a lot of what I do.
20:48No, a lot of what we have
20:50seen, like your TikToks, and like
20:52the... What TikToks? Just
20:54TikToks that were just super flippant about
20:56the swinging situation, and
20:58just, like, that whole era of your life.
21:00The white trash from Demi hurts
21:02me. Sure, I've done trashy things, but
21:04right now, she knows it's something
21:06I'm trying to work through. I've been working
21:08through, and so for her to take that jab
21:10at me, oh, hell no. If you're gonna take
21:12a jab at me, then I'm gonna call out you for your stuff
21:14as well. Do you think it's trashy to take
21:16off your dress in front of my boyfriend?
21:18What? To put your mic
21:20on? What are you talking about? You made
21:22him extremely uncomfortable because you dropped your dress to get
21:24mic'd. No one else is here, right?
21:26Yes, come up.
21:28Oh, I'm sorry. I literally
21:30already had my bra out when
21:32he walked in to get mic'd. No, you dropped it.
21:34I watched you do it. What?
21:36Oh my gosh, what is happening right now?
21:38This is exactly what I was afraid of.
21:40I would rather give birth without an epidural than
21:42sit through this any longer. You had your
21:44dress full on, and you didn't need to drop it to get
21:46mic'd, and you took it off, and you were just in your bra.
21:48And Dakota felt so uncomfortable.
21:50The intention
21:52matters, definitely, in that moment.
21:54We were in a rushed situation
21:56to get the mics on. I don't think it's trashy
21:58because I think... Really? You don't think trashy
22:00is pulling off your dress in front of my boyfriend?
22:02No, especially because I didn't...
22:04So if I did that to Brett, that's not trashy? No.
22:06Tits in his face? Really? Oh, you think
22:08I went like this? Dakota!
22:10I literally was turned
22:12like this and unbuttoned. If you're
22:14worried about that, that's a you and Dakota problem.
22:16No, Dakota felt uncomfortable. He's like,
22:18her bra, her tits are right there.
22:20That's a him problem.
22:22So if I go up to Brett and take
22:24off my dress in front of him, and he's looking,
22:26because he accidentally looked, because it's like right
22:28there, that's a him problem or a Maya problem?
22:30The situation matters.
22:32I'm not the freaking swinger here. I'm not
22:34the one that's going around trying to seduce
22:36other people's husbands. I'm not
22:38proud of any of these things. I want to
22:40put my past behind me, but
22:42I don't know if these women are ever gonna be
22:44able to let go of my past.
22:52Don't you feel like this is a conversation
22:54you guys should have alone, maybe?
22:56No, we're in the middle of this.
22:58You guys need to hash this out, obviously.
23:00People are out for
23:02blood. They are out for me
23:04specifically. None of you are standing
23:06here clean, and I'm
23:08getting pretty frustrated because Whitney
23:10was the one telling all this information.
23:12Whitney, who is your least favorite
23:14in the group, and why?
23:16Oh, God. Honestly,
23:18I feel like right now it's Demi.
23:22I just feel like anything that, any
23:24truth I say, you say, no, you agreed with me,
23:26you said this, and I'm like, but I didn't say that.
23:28I don't know.
23:30I just, it's Demi
23:32right now for me.
23:34Box is done. God bless.
23:36We made it through without ripping each other's heads off.
23:38I love that that was my idea, and I feel like I just
23:40got obliterated.
23:42That was a great idea. The intention
23:44was there, wasn't it?
23:46I don't know about the truth box.
23:48I think a better name for this game would have been
23:50like, murder-suicide.
23:54It doesn't make any
23:56sense to me. I'm like, you're literally
23:58gaslighting everyone right now. You do realize that, right?
24:00I never said that. I never, ever said that.
24:02Yeah. I'm just kind
24:04of mad that you didn't stick up for me. Me? Yeah.
24:06With what? With her saying that, because you were
24:08in the car with me, and you were like, I didn't hear. I was like,
24:10but you were in the car with me. Well, I'm like, I'm trying to remember
24:12what's going on. I don't even know what's going on. I know, but you would remember
24:14if I said that.
24:16But that's why I said, no, we didn't
24:18when she first said that, because I'm like, I know
24:20for a fact I didn't. I know, but when I was like,
24:22Macy, like, you were in the car with me.
24:24I don't think that it's
24:26fair that Whitney is saying I'm not supportive.
24:28All I do is support her.
24:30We are only, like, three hours in
24:32to this trip, and I'm already like,
24:34I want to pack my bags and go home. Like, this isn't
24:36fun. Everyone's screaming at each other.
24:38She's like, no, you did say that. I'm like, can
24:40you just shut the fuck up? She's like,
24:42well, I'll back you up if you have the conversation again.
24:46I want you to know that
24:48I am not some
24:50bony person that, like, thinks
24:52ill of you, that is talking
24:54behind your back. It was a literal isolated
24:56moment, and I feel like I had
24:58that resentment built up from you, regardless
25:00of, like, how I was feeling.
25:02Like, I should have addressed that with you so that it didn't
25:04fester, you know? It was a low moment
25:06that came out in a petty way, and I apologize
25:08for that. It was not okay in any way.
25:10Yeah. Thank you
25:12for saying that. I just...
25:14I know we were supposed to have a room together,
25:16but I think I just kind of want to sleep alone.
25:18I get it. You take this room.
25:20You need to be comfortable. I'll go to the bunk beds.
25:22For real? You sure?
25:24Yes.
25:26Ugh.
25:28Night-night.
25:30Okay, good night.
25:32I regret
25:34using the words that I did in the flippant
25:36way that I did, and I do feel bad for that.
25:38I experienced hurt, and
25:40she did, too, but my
25:42intentions are pure, and they are good,
25:44and I'm really, really hopeful that we'll be
25:46able to move forward and be stronger
25:48in our friendship than we ever have.
25:50Everyone say their prayers, please.
26:00Can I switch sides with you really quick so I can
26:02use this girl in there? Yep.
26:04Let me move my whole bag, then. Oh, you're fine.
26:06It'll take two seconds. You guys, I'm here.
26:08I'm ready. The party's started
26:10now. Woo-hoo!
26:12This is the beginning. Okay.
26:14And we all are doing it.
26:16You do a move, and then you walk.
26:18Oh, that's cute.
26:20Last night, it was an
26:22absolute shit show. I really hope
26:24that we can bounce back from this, because
26:26bitches, it's my birthday.
26:28Okay, ready?
26:30Let's go.
26:44I love this one. Does everyone love this one?
26:46Okay.
26:48I love that one.
26:56We did it!
26:58I'm gonna go upstairs. Yeah, go get ready.
27:00No, I need you to come with me.
27:02See you later.
27:06Have fun. I will.
27:08Bye, guys.
27:10This morning is
27:12already uncomfortable
27:14because of last night.
27:16There is animosity in the air,
27:18but I think that
27:20Whitney and I definitely need to sit down
27:22and have a conversation and get to
27:24the bottom of it. I'm tired of feeling this, like,
27:26with group settings.
27:28Where should we go?
27:30This is good. This is comfy.
27:32Are you stressed? Yeah, I'm scared.
27:34Why? I don't know. Don't punch me.
27:36I'm not gonna, like, come at you screaming
27:38unless you scream at me.
27:40No, I won't think screaming.
27:42Just, I don't know.
27:44So I know you have some feelings about me.
27:46That's no secret, obviously.
27:48Like, I started with the baby showers when I
27:50truly, like, figured it out, but
27:52I feel like you're really good at telling people
27:54why I haven't been told.
27:56I mean, honestly, I didn't tell you
27:58because I didn't feel like I needed to.
28:00Like, I just felt like I was fine
28:02with where we were at. I didn't feel like I
28:04wanted to explain it. I just felt like
28:06that was an intimate thing for you, and that
28:08was for close friends and family, and I don't feel like
28:10I'm your close friend.
28:12I'm confused on what I did.
28:14There's something that, like, sparked you to not like me,
28:16and I just was curious what it was.
28:18Right after the swinger drama came out, I feel like
28:20I was, like, trying to cultivate a relationship with you.
28:22I was trying to be there for you,
28:24or try and include you, because I know
28:26you were ostracized from that group.
28:28Um...
28:30I don't know.
28:32I just felt like it hasn't been reciprocated.
28:34And I was like, well, I don't want to be friends
28:36with someone like that, then. It's exhausting.
28:38There's probably girls down there
28:40that you're not besties with, but does it, like...
28:42I'm not besties with, but I've definitely
28:44had more of a connection with them
28:46more than you.
28:48But I feel like I've tried.
28:50In the beginning, I was trying to have this connection with you,
28:52and it was never reciprocated. I want to be asked,
28:54what happened with you and Connor? Like, are you okay?
28:56Like... I feel like I have.
28:58Her issue with Taylor
29:00is her issue with herself, honestly.
29:02Like, I think it's just that she
29:04feels like she's comparing herself
29:06to Taylor and isn't living up to what
29:08the hype that Taylor's getting.
29:10And so she's comparing. And why is she getting
29:12the attention? Why is the public forgiving her
29:14quicker than me?
29:16I feel like I'm slowly putting the pieces together
29:18of who the real Whitney is.
29:20And there are a few people
29:22in the group, specifically Macy
29:24and Jen,
29:26who haven't quite seen
29:28the puzzle pieces coming together.
29:30And I think it's only a matter of time
29:32before the whole facade is
29:34showcased.
29:36What she's saying, like, I was
29:38frustrated that I
29:40keep getting shit on my RSV video
29:42and, like, people forgive you super quick.
29:44You have a vulnerable, sick child in your video.
29:46I understand that back then, like, TikTok
29:48was very different. It was like, you filmed everything
29:50and it was like, just throw everything out and see what sticks.
29:52But looking back, I'm like,
29:54no, even that video when she posted it caught
29:56me off guard. But also,
29:58that day, she said that Liam was, like, doing a lot better
30:00so she was happy. So she was trying to make, like, a happy
30:02video and, like, it just wasn't, like, what her
30:04intention was was not what was received.
30:06She's like, no, my intention was to get likes and clout.
30:10She admitted that to me.
30:12I've never
30:14heard her say that. It was after their ketamine session.
30:16It was after our ketamine session. Whitney and I did
30:18ketamine about eight months ago,
30:20which is a therapy
30:22for physical trauma or emotional
30:24trauma. And coming out of ketamine,
30:26you are feeling things
30:28very deeply. Truths
30:30are coming out about yourself that you
30:32maybe wouldn't otherwise admit. And
30:34in that moment, she admitted to me that video
30:36that she posted was for
30:38sympathy, likes, clout,
30:40and for recognition and to gain her
30:42following. I think I even might have a video
30:44of her admitting that. You're like, I actually needed this
30:46for blackmail.
30:48In that moment, I just
30:50I didn't want to hear anyone else's.
30:52I just wanted everyone there to be
30:54there for me for just... I'm actually glad
30:56I got called out on that because
30:58now when I'm listening to people's stuff, I'm like,
31:00I want to relate, but I also just want to kind of, like,
31:02validate their feelings first. Yeah.
31:04And then maybe relate, you know?
31:06But...
31:08Why is she being so nice?
31:10Yeah.
31:12We need someone unkind to go break it up.
31:14I'm kidding.
31:16Whitney tends to dismiss
31:18your feelings or even
31:20gaslight you when you express
31:22that certain things happened and
31:24that you felt a certain way. She seems to
31:26flip the script and somehow become the
31:28victim of her own chaos.
31:30And I'm sick of it. This is
31:32exhausting.
31:34I'm cursed by your
31:36name in my mind.
31:39You pushed me a little bit too far, Whitney.
31:41I'm gonna set the record straight
31:43at all costs.
31:53Like, I would love to be there for things you're
31:55excited about or you want, like, support
31:57there, but I feel like when I told you
31:59my whole Connery thing, I got
32:01zero. Nothing.
32:03Wait, zero from who? Everyone.
32:05I don't agree with that. I remember reaching
32:07out to you and being there for you.
32:09Honestly, I don't even know why she's
32:11here. I don't even know why she presented herself
32:13in this conversation. I'm just like,
32:15what's your intentions? Let's talk about intention.
32:17What's your intention for being here in this
32:19conversation? I feel like Taylor
32:21doesn't care about me, and I don't want to be around
32:23someone like that. And it's as simple as that.
32:25I don't know how you expect me to
32:27work on this when I had no idea any of this. And
32:29same with Demi. But I don't expect you to work
32:31from this. That's what I'm saying. No, through all this time.
32:33Just leave it as it is. Well, now. Let's just leave it.
32:35The entire time I could have worked on it.
32:37And I didn't care enough to say anything.
32:39I didn't want to say anything. But you did to everyone else.
32:41You'll bring other people's stuff
32:43up to other people, like the Jen situation.
32:45Like, you'll take something that I
32:47said that I, by the way, told you not to say
32:49anything, and you said, I swear on my life I won't say it.
32:51You were the one that did the truth box. I never
32:53ever brought that up. I told Jen,
32:55and she can do with it
32:57whatever she wants to do with that. Yeah, but
32:59why did you feel the need to tell Jen, like, I didn't
33:01go to Taylor being like, Whitney feels this way.
33:03She knew that. I don't know how. And if you did,
33:05I wouldn't care. Okay,
33:07but you're sitting here saying that you don't care to have
33:09the conversation, that you don't care to remedy these
33:11things, but then you're gonna, like, shit on Taylor behind her back
33:13and then you're gonna come at me for something I said about Taylor.
33:15How am I shitting on her? Everything I've said about her, I just
33:17said to her face right now. Just now?
33:19But for the last two years, she hasn't heard
33:21a word of it. We're the ones hearing all of it. Does that bother you?
33:23Does that bother you that I didn't tell you? Yeah, it bothered me
33:25that you didn't come to my shower just telling me, like, hey,
33:27I don't want to be friends with you. Like, I thought we were friends.
33:29So when you didn't show up, I was like,
33:31it was a big deal.
33:33Well, I don't regret anything. I'm glad I told Jen.
33:35I don't think that was wrong. I'd still do it.
33:37Okay, well then you're a shitty friend.
33:41And then I guess don't be my friend.
33:43Okay, I don't want to be your friend. If that's the way you're gonna be,
33:45that's not a friend. Did you not just call
33:47Taylor white trash? Were you planning on
33:49dressing that to Taylor? No, but was that
33:51your place to say? It wasn't.
33:53And you don't care. You don't give a shit.
33:55I wish I could say I'm surprised
33:57by Whitney's behavior right now, but I'm
33:59absolutely not. She needs to own it,
34:01apologize, work on it,
34:03and move forward. It's, again, one of these
34:05things where she wants to become the victim of her
34:07own behavior.
34:09You're hurt, and that's okay. I've been there.
34:11What, you don't want to give a fuck? But you're hurt from, like,
34:13you're hurt in life, and so you're gonna
34:15take it out on everyone? I don't get that.
34:17I get it. I don't want to talk about it.
34:19She's hurt you. I've never hurt Whitney.
34:21Well, I have, but I get, like, where...
34:23And then runs away.
34:25I guess I'm right. I guess I'm right.
34:27Comical.
34:35Where'd you go?
34:37In there.
34:39You're gonna, like, dish it?
34:41Be able to take it, then.
34:43Me? You okay?
34:45The gloves are off, baby. War has
34:47just begun, and you better sleep with
34:49one eye open. I hate the shit of
34:51you can dish it, but you can't take it.
34:53That's the shit. I do not stand behind...
34:55Be a woman, you little twat.
34:57What's going on?
34:59I couldn't hear everything. What's wrong?
35:03She thinks it's her place
35:05to tell everyone other people's shit.
35:07Are you okay?
35:09When has that ever been a thing?
35:11And then, as we're having a heated conversation,
35:13gets up, cries, and leaves.
35:15The way that Whitney talks
35:17and changes her persona
35:19in the moment of, like...
35:21Well, she was being a little, like...
35:23Be yourself!
35:25Yeah, because it's so different to us
35:27and then to her.
35:29It's like, you want to talk about fake
35:31and behind people's back? Whitney, you scare me.
35:33I feel like such a pussy right now.
35:35Why?
35:37Why?
35:39You're her, and you need space,
35:41and that's, like, totally
35:43valid. How does it feel, Whitney?
35:45I literally want to go ask her. How does it feel?
35:47When I try to talk to you about it upstairs,
35:49you're just like, and I do it again,
35:51and I do it again. You're a bitch.
35:53No, I'm stronger than this.
35:55You are strong. Just because you're crying
35:57doesn't mean you're not strong.
35:59It's better to walk away than to say things
36:01that you don't actually mean.
36:03So you did the strong thing by walking away.
36:05Let's make this a group affair.
36:07Guys, no.
36:09Jesus.
36:11Continue telling the people
36:13everything about anyone else.
36:15Demi, can you just get out of the room, please?
36:17Oh, no, I won't.
36:19Demi, she needs some space right now.
36:21Why was she last night when she shit on me
36:23when I was literally getting attacked by everyone?
36:25Where was she? What was she doing?
36:27You need to just respect that.
36:29What the fuck are you talking about, Jen?
36:31Shut up.
36:33Guys, we're both going at each other,
36:35so why are you being so rude now?
36:37You're being a bitch.
36:39No, I'm not.
36:41I have two people right here
36:43sitting beside Whitney when last night
36:45we experienced in this whole journey
36:47and no one said shit
36:49except for Taylor, who we had the blow up.
36:51Then we have a freaking minion fest over here.
36:53Minion fest?
36:55Chihuahua fest?
36:57Of two little puppies sitting next to Whitney
36:59being like, back off.
37:01She's unstable.
37:03You raising your voice isn't helping the situation.
37:05I mean, I'm not sitting here screaming.
37:07I'm sitting here saying...
37:09I have a right to be upset.
37:11I'm frustrated. I'm confused at where Whitney stands.
37:13And that's not what a friend would do.
37:15I feel like you don't even care about mom talk outside of posting.
37:17Just because I told Jen what you said.
37:19You go around the whole group telling everyone's everything.
37:21I didn't say the white trash thing.
37:23Okay, does anyone else want to chime in?
37:25How Whitney will hear information
37:27and she gets close to certain people
37:29and we've kind of felt like it's a rotating door.
37:31And it kind of feels like
37:33there's different people that get to be close to Whitney.
37:35When she says stuff about Taylor,
37:37it's really mean behind Taylor's back.
37:39And then when it's face to face, she's like,
37:41and I just don't think it's fair that you can act that way
37:43and it's okay when
37:45it's not okay for me to do.
37:47That just doesn't make sense to me.
37:49I feel like Whitney gets close to you until she gets what she wants
37:51and then she just moves on. That's just my opinion.
37:53And that's why I just wanted to sit you down
37:55so you can express all of it so I know.
37:57With you, I know you're saying you're not caring
37:59but I find that hard to believe I think you want to.
38:01I think I just hurt you really bad.
38:03Maybe I can't be your best friend right now
38:05but I could still here and there be a friend to you.
38:07Yeah.
38:09I don't know what's right and what's wrong anymore.
38:11I thought that I was doing the right thing
38:13telling Jen,
38:15this is Demi's feelings towards you.
38:17It's a bit two-faced because then she's acting like your friend
38:19surface level but then going behind your back.
38:21I don't know.
38:23I don't know. It's confusing.
38:25I don't know what was right and I don't know what was wrong.
38:27Anything else from anyone?
38:29This is your time.
38:31Let it out.
38:33This is your time.
38:35I have something to say.
38:37Yeah, we have to go.
38:39Interesting going to a happy little dinner together.
38:53Are you okay?
38:55It's okay.
38:57That's okay.
38:59It's okay to feel that way.
39:01I think Taylor was very low and she said
39:03that you act like you don't care but you do.
39:05I know.
39:07But I don't want to care.
39:09I know you don't want to care but that's what makes you beautiful
39:11and amazing that you do care.
39:13So what I thought was going to be an empowering weekend
39:15is now all in shambles.
39:17I don't like confrontation
39:19when it's in my friend group
39:21and at this point Mom Talk was already hanging by a thread
39:23before this trip and now we're having this happen.
39:25I don't want to be anyone's friend.
39:27Why?
39:29Because of what Jesse said.
39:31Like what?
39:33And then once I get what I want out of them
39:35then I move on.
39:37I'm like what the actual fuck?
39:39Whitney's my best friend but I do think Whitney
39:41has an interesting way of handling things.
39:43I definitely wouldn't have handled things the way she has
39:45and I think she kind of just like
39:47leaves when things get hard instead of trying to
39:49really figure them out and at the same time
39:51I do think it's one of those things where we have to
39:53do some more work to figure out what's going on
39:55and not just run away from it.
39:57Happy birthday.
40:03Happy birthday.
40:19Did we bring Macy's presents?
40:21Probably should have.
40:23I didn't get her one.
40:25You're like I'm good because I didn't bring one.
40:27Don't flip anybody Taylor.
40:29Protect the belly if you fall.
40:31Especially in heels.
40:33Jen knows what she's doing.
40:35It's the worst.
40:37This is so cute.
40:39Great.
40:41Okay birthday girl you have to wear this
40:43the whole dinner.
40:45Okay.
40:47Beautiful.
40:49You can adjust that.
40:5129 baby.
40:53Feeling fine.
40:55JK 21.
40:57I'm honestly exhausted at this point.
40:59I'm so pregnant I feel bad for
41:01Macy because her birthday
41:03is being ruined. I think there are times
41:05where you should just like kind of
41:07suck it up for other people
41:09so I think in this situation for Macy's
41:11dinner everyone just shutting up
41:13and let's enjoy the night for Macy.
41:15Rub some dirt on it and we can cry
41:17when we get home.
41:19You're taking pictures Layla.
41:21They have a pizza appetizer.
41:23That sounds really good.
41:25A vibe really.
41:27I didn't want to share it with the table.
41:29I wanted it to be my meal.
41:31It's a bit lonely
41:33when you feel like
41:35all of the friends that I thought
41:37I had I guess they're not really my friends.
41:39I'm looking at Demi
41:41and I'm just like
41:43you look like you're on fucking cloud nine right now.
41:49I have to pee real fast.
41:53Everyone is
41:55acting like everything's fine.
41:57It's sad.
42:03I was stronger than that. I can't even sit there.
42:05You can't. No I'll be fine.
42:07I'm just going to pretend like I'm going to the bathroom.
42:09I think I just need to cry for a second.
42:11I know. Okay go ahead. I'm going to cry
42:13and then I'll be okay.
42:15Do you need anything? No I'm okay.
42:21Did she talk at all on the way here?
42:23Yeah she's like
42:25What'd she say?
42:27Whitney. I think she feels bad too
42:29but like things that she said and stuff too.
42:31Yeah I get it. Trust me. Literally me
42:33last night. I feel like she kind of needs to
42:35feel the sting of what her
42:37actions can bring to people
42:39so that she understands what that
42:41feels like because it doesn't feel good.
42:43Like that's below the belt stuff.
42:45So it's like Whitney that's exactly what we're talking about.
42:47It doesn't feel good. Does it feel good?
42:49Okay I hope you don't do that moving forward.
42:51You want to do it and I'll hold it?
42:53Okay I can do it.
42:55I can do it.
42:59Happy birthday
43:01to you.
43:05Happy birthday
43:07dear
43:09Macy.
43:11I know when I'm fucking in the wrong.
43:13I was fucking
43:15not wrong.
43:17Happy birthday
43:19to you.
43:21If this is what mom
43:23talk has turned into, I don't want
43:25to do this anymore. I don't even know if these
43:27friendships are worth fighting for.
43:35Be the last Vegas.
43:37My husband is going to kill me.
43:39This is my lucky
43:41poker sweatshirt. He said you're playing
43:43poker. I don't know that being in
43:45Sin City is the best thing
43:47for Zach.
43:51Like I haven't done anything
43:53wrong. No.
43:55Missing person alert.
43:57He's out of control.
43:59This is why the sisterhood of mom talk was created
44:01in the first place. She's MIA. She's not
44:03answering her phone. I mean maybe I watched
44:05too much true crime.
44:07Oh my gosh.
44:09What's all the hot gossip?
44:11She unfollowed all of us.
44:13Do you still consider them friends?
44:15Should I invite Whitney?
44:17Awkward.
44:19Mom talk's not what it was and I
44:21don't know if it ever will be again.
44:23Why are you here? The one time I need
44:25support, you're not there for me.
44:27This is an act and I'm over it.
44:29This is exhausting.
44:31Cool. Did you hang up on him?
44:33Yeah. Should I say something to her?
44:35You're trying to stir
44:37the pot between me and Taryn. I don't like him.
44:39Everyone's getting married
44:41before their brains even develop.
44:43I did not invite him. This is for women.
44:45Fuck me all week. Lie to me.
44:47If you look at it that way,
44:49Taylor, yes.
44:51My gosh, aren't you miserable?
44:53It's not going to get better. He's not going to change.
44:55You're going to lose everything.
44:57I don't care.