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00:00:00hi everybody today is tuesday may 13th 2025 and our friends scott ritter and professor
00:00:10mirandy are back with us welcome back thank you nima and let's get started
00:00:18scott with you and the new i don't know if you saw the new article in the new york times they're
00:00:25talking about that houthis and were able to shot down f-16 and f-35 jets and is that what
00:00:36one of the main reasons that donald trump has decided to get something in with yemen
00:00:43no not at all um there's a difference between this is written by somebody who doesn't understand
00:00:52anything about combat etc um you know if you fly an aircraft into a defended airspace um
00:00:59you can be shot down because they're they have defensive capabilities this is why we train our
00:01:07pilots in certain tactics this is why we use um you know electronic warfare uh etc to prevent from
00:01:15being shot down but there's a difference between being engaged and um and being shot down there's
00:01:23no doubt that the hootie engaged f-16 and f-35 aircraft there's no doubt that uh american aircraft
00:01:28had to take um you know defensive uh measures uh to avoid being shot down welcome to war um that that
00:01:37this this is missing the point the point isn't that the hootie engaged f-16s and f-35s the point is
00:01:45that the hootie beat the united states that's what we have to let's think strategically let's stop
00:01:51getting down into the weeds i'm not picking on you but i mean this is an absurdity um the united states
00:01:58entered a military campaign let's let's just be fair to general carrilla and the central command
00:02:05um they rightfully said uh that they needed to engage in a multi-month long campaign to degrade
00:02:12yemen's air defense capabilities into you know this this this strategic air campaign designed to
00:02:19defeat yemen um very expensive and we would have run out of ammunition um and the political
00:02:27direction was no we need to compress this into a 30-day campaign um which general carrilla attempted
00:02:33to do and we failed we didn't defeat the hootie we didn't suppress the hootie they continued to be
00:02:38able to not only fire against israel but to also threaten american shipping to include military
00:02:44shipping the most important thing here is that the hootie uh were developing a um a targeting solution
00:02:52for u.s naval uh war uh warships including the harry s truman um we saw this uh played out
00:03:01uh in reality when the harry s truman had to take um uh emergency evasive action to avoid being struck
00:03:08by a hootie weapon that caused an fa-18 that was being uh put into position for launch to be thrown
00:03:14overboard that's uh that means that that tells me that the hootie understood the window of vulnerability
00:03:21you know aircraft carriers when they launch aircraft when they recover aircraft are very vulnerable
00:03:26because those are period times when you can't maneuver or you shouldn't be maneuvering you should be
00:03:30maintaining a constant heading so airplanes can take off and airplanes can land and what it is that
00:03:36the hootie apparently were able to understand when the united states was going to be preparing to launch
00:03:42or recover aircraft in the time their attacks accordingly uh this could be fatal for the harry s truman
00:03:48not only that the truman had run out of ammunition uh it needed to get out of dodge um there was
00:03:55concern that if it went through the suez canal it would be a sitting duck it is a sitting duck in the
00:03:59suez canal um and if the the hootie obviously have uh weapons that can reach the suez canal and
00:04:05that the truman very vulnerable there so it needed to um extricate itself along the coastline and uh
00:04:13there was concern that the the hootie would be able to strike this so we needed to save our ships
00:04:21this is humiliating for the united states absolutely humiliating for the united states that's the story
00:04:28the story isn't about f-16s and f-35s the story is that the united states navy
00:04:34was not only unable to defeat the hootie the ansrallah but had put itself in a very exposed position where
00:04:44it could be subjected to um tactical defeat the sinking of ships and the bigger story here is
00:04:52if the hootie can do this to the united states in the red sea imagine what iran could do in the
00:04:59persian gulf or in the in the indian ocean so uh this is this is a lesson learned to the united states
00:05:09and hopefully it's a uh it's a humbling experience from one that we take on board uh i don't want to
00:05:16get ahead of the game but there's so much else involved in this because this the initiative
00:05:21wasn't the united states dealing with the hootie or the hootie dealing with the united states
00:05:26maybe professor miranda will correct me if i'm wrong but iran played a very important role in this
00:05:32because uh iran is in the midst of i think what's going to be a very successful negotiation
00:05:39one that could um bring in at least potentially an end to the uh threat of war between the united
00:05:47states and iran but it's a sensitive period of negotiations that could be undermined
00:05:51if the united states were um humbled by hootie compelled to escalate uh to as pete heck said
00:05:59the secretary of defense said hold iran accountable i mean my god we're in the midst of negotiations
00:06:04with the iranians to try and resolve a major issue and the secretary of defense is talking about
00:06:08bombing iran bombing iran with what the same fleet that's under threat from the hootie
00:06:12i think the iranians wisely stepped in and said we need to de-escalate this situation so that these
00:06:19negotiations have a fair chance there's no guaranteed outcome on these negotiations but
00:06:24i've heard positive things coming out of the iranian side that i haven't heard in a long time
00:06:29and i've heard similarly positive things coming out from the united states and it would just be a shame
00:06:34that this chance for negotiated settlement on this major issue iran's nuclear program
00:06:42um and the potential lifting of sanctions and and i'm not gonna say normalization relations but
00:06:47stabilizing relations between united states and iran that it would be put at risk because
00:06:52onsrallah kicked america's butt in the red sea so i think iran played a major role in this and that's
00:06:58the other aspect of the story that's so much more important than whether an f-16 was forced to take
00:07:03evasive maneuverings or an f-35 had to likewise you know fire off chaff and flares and and um and avoid
00:07:10being shut down
00:07:11professor marandi go ahead your take on what scott said
00:07:19i think that um scott is absolutely correct the uh united states failed in the red sea
00:07:29it was a catastrophic mistake i think all of us were uh on different programs uh saying
00:07:38that this will end in failure the only people who apparently didn't see it coming was the u.s
00:07:44government for one reason or another um it's important that uh in this sense that ansrallah
00:07:53uh was also not only able to fire its missiles and drones and harass the americans they lost three f-18s
00:08:02for one reason or another they lost a number of very expensive drones uh which were very key uh for
00:08:10their operations but also the fact that uh f-35s in particular were threatened uh according to the
00:08:19new york new york times shows that ansrallah has a a very high degree of sophistication and if they can
00:08:26uh track u.s uh stealth uh jets then as scott was alluding to in a different way imagine what
00:08:36iran can do in the persian gulf or the indian ocean or even in the red sea because iran reach
00:08:42iran's reach goes all the way to the mediterranean and the red sea so i think it is a lesson for the
00:08:51americans to learn that military conflict with united with iran uh a conventional war would would
00:08:59would end in failure ansrallah from my understanding uh from the very beginning was uh escalating was
00:09:10managing escalation and from my understanding they do have the ability to strike uh the ships and to
00:09:19strike uh the aircraft carrier but they chose not to use their more sophisticated weapons because
00:09:27they did not want extreme escalation so uh and this is true about hezbollah in lebanon as well
00:09:34it's true about the axis of resistance the whole policy in defense of the palestinians has been
00:09:41uh death by a thousand cuts uh in the sense that uh not to push too far not to push too hard uh but to
00:09:51keep uh the pressure going so for example well there are capabilities that hezbollah has that it didn't
00:09:59use for its own reasons their capabilities that amsarullah had uh that they don't use but um but i think
00:10:07it is important that the united states was forced to back down with regards to the nuclear negotiations
00:10:13it's very difficult to say what scott says is true but it's true for today but you know five minutes
00:10:18from now we could have something on true social which is completely different um one of the things
00:10:24that i find interesting which has nothing to do with iran is the fact that trump backed down in the trade
00:10:31war against china and he effectively capitulated now that may be a failure for for trump but it it it does
00:10:40show that he has the ability to change his position and instead of just going down a one-way street he he
00:10:50has the ability to retreat now he may he's very good at promoting himself and he's very good at um with
00:10:59the with the media so he may be able to try to create an image for for many that he succeeded with
00:11:06china that's not really the point the point is that he uh changed direction so it is pot and the same is
00:11:14true with answer allah he he he said answer allah capitulated he used that word in fact but the reality
00:11:20was literally the opposite but still what is important is not whether he would in this context whether he was
00:11:27dishonest or not or whether he was honest or not but the fact that he was able to instead of doubling
00:11:33down and going after answer allah further or doubling down and constant continuing with the trade war with
00:11:40china and bringing down probably the the u.s economy to some deep recession at least he changed course and
00:11:49that is possible therefore with iran so when we hear some very let's say discouraging words from witkoff
00:12:01because to witkoff initially he spoke uh very positively and very reasonably and then two things
00:12:08happened more recently one was he retweeted the secretary of uh defense's um tweet against iran which
00:12:16scott alluded to which uh surprised many that he would retweet that uh the second was when he did an
00:12:23interview with breitbart and he said that no enrichment and that all has to go
00:12:31but because of what we're seeing in with regards to china with and yemen but also some of the changes
00:12:43that are taking place which i don't know really how far it's going to go but there's direct negotiations
00:12:48with hamas and and that sort of thing that that to me means that it's possible that witkoff in private
00:12:56could be saying something else he could be more reasonable because ultimately iran's not going to
00:13:01accept uh the shutting down of its nuclear program or its uh enrichment uh program iran and i i think i should
00:13:11point this out even though it's not directly linked to our discussion enrichment for iran is important
00:13:17because the united states has sanctioned everything in iran and uh even when trump for or i'm not sure if
00:13:27it was during trump or obama perhaps both there was a period of time when iran was importing gasoline and
00:13:34they were trying to prevent iran from importing gasoline and so that led to this policy in iran
00:13:41that we must be uh able sort of like what trump is nowadays saying about the united states economy
00:13:47but we must become self-sufficient in certain things and that includes the nuclear program that includes
00:13:53energy and that's why iran will simply not compromise on enrichment but on the principle of
00:14:01enrichment but there is a possibility obviously that if there is a deal iran could uh end higher degrees
00:14:08of enrichment or it could it won't destroy any of its equipment but it could put some in uh storage
00:14:14or or something like that but um but again because of some of the things that we've been seeing over the
00:14:21past few days literally i think uh we can i think it's fair to say that despite some of the things that
00:14:31whitkoff has said and done um i think it's quite possible that behind the scenes he's going to be more
00:14:38reasonable at the negotiating table at least yeah by the way one of the good signs scott with donald
00:14:45trump and his attitude is the new sort of talks between the united states and hamas and they have
00:14:53achieved they have released a prisoner in israeli american prisoner and to show some sort of goodwill
00:15:03gesture to the united states and do you find it right now it seems that you you follow the israeli
00:15:10media it seems that they're in panic right now what's going on in your opinion with the case of hamas
00:15:17you know as professor morandi has noted give trump 24 hours and you're going to have a completely
00:15:28different uh emotionally based um you know foundation of american policy and then give him
00:15:35another 24 hours and it's going to shift all over the place uh i can't explain why he does this is this
00:15:42strategy on his part is it uh that he's a weak-minded individual who simply repeats the last thing
00:15:48whispered into his ear uh by whatever advisors closest to him um it's very difficult to assess
00:15:55this i i've been trying to give trump the benefit of the doubt i've spent a lot of time trying to
00:16:01superimpose um strategic uh thinking on his actions um shoehorning it in sometimes when it's difficult to uh
00:16:12to do so um i can't it's it's hard i'll give you my take but i'm i'm prefacing by this is very hard to do
00:16:22it's very hard to understand what's going on i think i'm done with giving donald trump
00:16:29um grand strategic uh capacity meaning you know i don't view him as the you know the the modern day
00:16:38clausowitz or sun tzu or you know master for tactician is strat i view him as a very simple-minded man who um
00:16:48is not able to comprehend fully the complexity of the issues he's articulating about uh he acts on
00:16:58on um not on depth of understanding and knowledge but on very shallow reasons and because he is a
00:17:05narcissist many of these reasons revolve around um issues of um his ego and i think what we see with
00:17:15israel is that he feels betrayed by benjamin netanyahu i mean it's as simple as if you've watched
00:17:22the godfather um you know godfather two michael corleone um and fredo um you know and trump has
00:17:30now kissed fredo and he's sending him out on a fishing boat and fredo's going to get a bullet in
00:17:34the back of the head that's netanyahu's fate um then you may not know it right now but he messed with
00:17:40the godfather he lied to the godfather he betrayed the godfather he went behind the godfather's back he
00:17:45reached out to michael waltz he set up a secret communication line with michael waltz and conspired
00:17:50with michael waltz to go against donald trump's uh policy objectives and this is unforgivable from
00:17:55the donald trump world and so now benjamin yahoo is going to pay a price and this price then is is
00:18:02translates into american policy one of great uh benjamin netanyahu's great greatest domestic
00:18:08political weaknesses is the hostage issue if you've been studying what's happening in israel you know
00:18:13that netanyahu has lied to the israeli people from day one about that he has no intention of letting
00:18:19the hostages go he will kill them all and he wants to kill them all he is trying to kill them all
00:18:24he's not trying to rescue them this is a man who lied to the israeli people tried to blame hamas for
00:18:30the failure of the release of the hostages um he's under investigation right now uh according to a
00:18:37an article written by seymour hirsch and i respect seymour hirsch and i respect his sources
00:18:41you know netanyahu early on the israeli forces apparently captured uh some hamas um internal
00:18:50you know policy documents and one of them was what's hamas's posture was vis-a-vis the hostages
00:18:56and according to this document there was some thinking on the part of some that
00:19:02senwar should take the hostages leave gaza and take the hostages to iran
00:19:06um but what was missing is how senwar and everybody came back and said no
00:19:13the hostages remain we will stay here in gaza we're not we're not doing that so it was just a
00:19:19it was a proposal put out by somebody it was immediately shot down uh but this document exists
00:19:24so what netanyahu did is sent one of his advisors to this document is so secret that the israelis refuse
00:19:30to acknowledge it exists it's in a reading room in the uh israeli intelligence headquarters
00:19:36and you have to sign in you're not allowed to take notes you're allowed to read the document and
00:19:39leave this guy went in there copied the document verbatim and came out and then yahoo released it on
00:19:45national tv made reference to it as if to condemn hamas he's now under investigation for violating state
00:19:51secrets and for lying uh straight to the israeli people this hostage issue is emotional you have
00:19:56the family of the hostages recognizing that this prime minister will kill their people
00:20:01and so the united states had been respectful of netanyahu's policy prerogatives because of course
00:20:08uh the trump administration has you know staffed itself with more pro-israeli zionists per square
00:20:14inch than any other administration um but that doesn't mean that donald trump is a pro-israeli
00:20:20zionist it means he's a politician who understands the importance of the pro-israeli lobby and facilitating his
00:20:26victory etc but when netanyahu lied to him trump now has the the weapons he has how do you demonstrate
00:20:36the weakness of benjamin netanyahu and uh how he blames him what trump did is he said i'll negotiate
00:20:43direct with hamas and i'll get the american freed and it happened boom which proves all once all
00:20:51netanyahu had to agree to his negotiations and he could get the hostages freed but the problem isn't
00:20:55hamas the problem is netanyahu now netanyahu is a huge political problem and that's what trump wants
00:21:01and now netanyahu is desperate he's panicking he's talking about an all-out war on gaza i can't predict
00:21:07what like like professor moroni said wait 24 hours who knows what trump's going to tweet uh or post on
00:21:13truth social but i would i will say this uh trump has said that the united states will not support further
00:21:19military operations in the gaza and if netanyahu seeks to do that we may be looking at a strategic
00:21:26break with israel a strategic break not because it's the policy of the united states because michael
00:21:33corleone has decided to put a bullet in the back of fredo's head as long as netanyahu is the prime
00:21:38minister of israel and if he does things that are against what donald trump wants there will be a price
00:21:43to be paid you know netanyahu is talking about you know detoxing israel from um american security
00:21:50he said good luck with that bb uh we run your damn country we own your country this is what i've said
00:21:56all along everybody's like israel owns america i said no it doesn't not even close we own israel
00:22:02israel can't do anything without us and if netanyahu wants to try to be independent to he's betting on support
00:22:09from uh an american establishment that isn't going to go against donald trump on this one
00:22:15uh donald trump has made some choices i don't know how far this is going to go like you said
00:22:20marco rubio could come whisper in his ear tomorrow and trump's going to you know benjamin netanyahu is
00:22:26the greatest person in the world i love him like a brother he's great then the next day witkoff comes
00:22:31in and tells him something benjamin netanyahu is the scum of the earth he should be shot on sight
00:22:35who knows what this man child who is the president united states is going to do because that's what
00:22:40he is a man child this isn't an adult this is a man child with adult-like capability this is the
00:22:46danger of giving a five-year-old kid a loaded pistol um and and that's what we've done by electing
00:22:52this man as our president this is an embarrassment i have never been more embarrassed in my life than
00:22:57the performance of this president because it's not the performance of a rational actor it's a
00:23:01performance of a narcissist egomania egomaniac who puts his own personal interests ahead of the
00:23:09nation that he's supposed to lead but when it comes to gaza and when it comes to hamas i mean
00:23:16how do we assess this i mean you want me to say something like it's amazing that the united states
00:23:21is now negotiating directly with hamas well it is amazing that we're doing that i agree but what does
00:23:27it mean is it reflective of a strategic shift that says we now recognize hamas as a legitimate political
00:23:35body within the palestinian uh nation uh and when trump says maybe he'll talk to the saudis about
00:23:42recognizing the palestinian state that hamas will be part of that governing authority because that goes
00:23:47directly against every pronouncement ever made by trump about hamas so is this formal policy
00:23:54or is this just the man child doing something to get revenge on netanyahu it's impossible for me
00:23:59to say at this juncture professor miranda your take on hamas
00:24:05i just wanted to explain something that scott said i think that document if i'm not mistaken
00:24:15uh was misused uh was misused by uh netanyahu and his team and misinterpreted for the public to to
00:24:27imply that uh uh the martyr yahya sinwar wanted to leave and take them uh take the the the prisoners with
00:24:37him but in reality was saying something different he wanted to imply that it was his that but uh but i think
00:24:45it's i think what scott is saying is is absolutely correct but again as he also pointed out we don't
00:24:52know what's going to happen in a few hours from now we don't know what trump is going to post on
00:24:57through social even if for example we do have a nuclear deal with united states it wouldn't be the
00:25:03jcpoa because uh i was saying today to someone it would have to be the jcpoa plus plus in the sense
00:25:11that it would have to recognize iran's technological advancements over the last few years because it
00:25:17came at a great price scientists were martyred and iran was under sanctions and americans are not
00:25:22going to compensate for that and also it's going to have to end the loopholes that existed in the
00:25:27original jcpoa where which obama used to cheat iran and so did trump until he tore up the deal
00:25:34uh the united states whenever would cheat iran there were no consequences for for uh for their
00:25:41actions they need they paid no political price let alone any other price uh so the the a potential
00:25:49nuclear deal if we ever get there and that's not for certain of course uh would be substantially
00:25:54different from the jcp would have to be under it would have to be more it would have to take these
00:26:00issues into account but even if we do have a deal with the united states the problem goes back again
00:26:06to what scott was saying and that is you sign a deal hypothetically and then tomorrow you have
00:26:13something on truth social which completely negates everything and says well no i don't like this deal
00:26:18and uh and we're going to have to do something else so it makes working with the united states
00:26:25uh very very difficult i don't want to say impossible because i don't want to you know rule
00:26:31out any success uh it just it just shows how complicated it is even the negotiations with china
00:26:39what trump did was he he went back to where the united states was before liberation day uh we have
00:26:50the same tariffs uh that existed back then the only difference now is that a lot of besides of the
00:26:56fact that a lot of damage has been caused but also uh there's now a three-month period where the two
00:27:03sides have to negotiate and during these three months business people uh don't really don't know
00:27:10what to do they won't know to purchase whether to purchase goods to move their factories to invest
00:27:15not invest because there's always there will be this sense of um on you know it's ambiguous where
00:27:23things will be uh in the in the weeks and months ahead it's unclear uh and i think that that's a
00:27:30problem that we're going to face with the united states in iran it's a problem that ansar allahu will
00:27:35have to face it's i if i was ansar allahu which i'm i'm sure they would they right now they're uh
00:27:43upgrading their military capabilities they're bringing in new weapons they're developing new
00:27:49technology why because we don't know and they don't know definitely what's going to happen in
00:27:54the weeks ahead so this is the problem with trump they uh his his supporters call it strategic
00:28:01uncertainty but i i think it's more the man-child definition i think the man-child definition of
00:28:09scott is more accurate i think it this is more it's more more of chaos than anything else and this
00:28:16is something that we're going to have to deal with not just iran the russians i mean one one other a
00:28:22very interesting thing has been how trump has sort of evolved uh over the past few months over with
00:28:29regards to russia if he could have on day one ended the war because he had momentum he had won all
00:28:36the swing states he he won the popular vote and he said during his campaign that he's going to end
00:28:43the war he could have stopped it he could have given the russians the key concessions that they needed
00:28:48russians probably would have given him some concessions to to get this over with but he he would
00:28:54have had to give most most of what russia wanted and then it would have been over but he didn't do that
00:29:02and now he's gradually not completely but he's sometimes he's sounding more like biden uh nowadays
00:29:10now he's not he's not biden he's not there but we but kellogg obviously is seems to be as as if he's
00:29:18a biden uh employee uh so so the point is that we don't know where trump is going to be on russia
00:29:26on ukraine uh where he's going to be on china where he's going to be on global trade where he's going
00:29:32to be on uh iran uh yemen palestine in the weeks ahead everything is ambiguous this in my opinion
00:29:42is actually in the long run beneficial to countries like iran because this uncertainty is is causing
00:29:52countries to start to make increasingly think about making decisions and excluding the united states
00:29:59now of course the the trade war itself was an incentive for this and other issues also
00:30:05created this incentive the sanctions and so on but i think that this this chaos in washington
00:30:12is a further another catalyst that will push the global majority the global south perhaps some in
00:30:21europe who knows to uh to rethink their place in the global order and i think that's going to
00:30:30speed in the tilt away from the united states scott how much you've mentioned the recognition of a
00:30:40palestinian state how much of a game game changer that would be if the united states under the trump
00:30:46administration decides to do that we come to the problem decides to do what i mean today he says
00:30:55you know he's in saudi arabia right now who knows today tomorrow he and the saudis may sit down and
00:31:02and get the grand bargain that the some people are talking about where saudi arabia says we will
00:31:08recognize the state of israel we will normalize relations with the state of israel which is the
00:31:13fulfillment of the abrams accord um in exchange for trump saying i recognize a palestinian state a
00:31:20two-state solution okay and then the next day when hamas says well we're ready and he goes well no
00:31:26hamas doesn't get to uh doesn't get to participate in this well how can you talk about a palestinian
00:31:32state without hamas they haven't been beaten um you know they're sort of if there was an election
00:31:38you believe in democracy don't you mr president i mean we hear jd vance and everybody else talking to
00:31:42the europeans shame on you europe for not being a good free democratic society is suppressing afd
00:31:48suppressing marina le pen suppressing the georgescu in romania you guys aren't democratic at all but
00:31:53we're going to suppress the hell out of hamas because we don't respect the palestinian people
00:31:58we don't respect their ability to choose their leader this is what happens when you have
00:32:05a man who knows nothing about anything making policy decisions about some of the most complex
00:32:12issues there are out there is there a solution to the hamas issue yes china's been working on one
00:32:18russia's been working on it they brought people i think it was 14 different factions together to try
00:32:24and come up with some sort of singularity that included hamas but wasn't called hamas um and
00:32:29hamas was part of that discussion why doesn't the united states respect this why does why don't we
00:32:35participate in that ask to be briefed on that um help facilitate that so when we sit down with the
00:32:40saudis we say we could support a palestinian state but we need the chinese model of governance here
00:32:47um gee that would imply that you actually know something about the problem and you're prepared
00:32:52to come up with a solution but trump is just simply he hasn't reversed any of the policy statements he
00:32:58made about hamas hasn't reversed a single one we're negotiating with them although supposedly we don't
00:33:03negotiate with terrorists but i'm you know we'll let that one slide for a moment because america's
00:33:07always negotiated with terrorists or what we call terrorists um but what is the policy on hamas because
00:33:14you can't talk about a palestinian state unless you have a policy on hamas a two-state solution implies
00:33:20there will be a palestinian government if there's an election today the palestinian people would vote
00:33:25overwhelmingly for hamas how do we handle that um so i don't know it i'm i'm i'm at wit's in
00:33:35because for a hundred days i called a truce and you know this nema you know that i did this you know
00:33:42that i did my very best to be fair towards the trump administration to give the trump administration
00:33:48a chance to act out on the you know policies that trump was articulating during the campaign
00:33:57for trump to build a team uh capable of fulfilling these campaign promises turning them into
00:34:04you know policy that can be implemented and it was very difficult um you know watching trump move
00:34:12forward on this because it just vacillated day at russia i mean professor murray is right
00:34:18he's all over the map on russia the jekyll and hyde nature of the trump administration is playing
00:34:25itself out and that according to the latest news uh steve whitkoff and keith kellogg are both going
00:34:32to be in istanbul as observers um but i mean this is literally you know two-face that character from
00:34:43from batman you know one face is good one face is ugly and which face are we going to get we're
00:34:48getting both faces this is stupidity stupidity it shows immaturity first of all marco rubio should
00:34:55say no i am going to be there or if you're going to pick a special envoy pick one tell the world where
00:35:04you stand but this this notion that trump's a genius trump's a master he's sending whitkoff and
00:35:11kellogg in so that the ukrainians the russians the turks and everybody have no idea what he's doing
00:35:17that's because trump has no idea what he's doing but because trump isn't a leader enough to tell
00:35:21keith kellogg sit down and shut up if you ever open your mouth again while i'm having a guy speak
00:35:26about russian policy which kellogg has done repeatedly repeatedly trump will have whitkoff or
00:35:31somebody make a statement about the progress he's made and kellogg shows up on tv and says something
00:35:37that undermines everything now either trump wants that to happen or trump isn't a strong enough
00:35:46leader to fire kell because that's firing offense any other administration kellogg would be fired for
00:35:51that any other administration kellogg would be fired for that because that's stabbing the president
00:35:58in the back but trump is now rewarding this man by sending him uh with co-equal status with steve
00:36:04whitkoff who's the problem solver which tells me that trump doesn't want to solve the problem
00:36:08that trump's there to muddy the waters um does trump want a solution does he want a piece i don't think
00:36:15trump knows what he wants i think trump is scared this is where i personally stand the man child is scared
00:36:20he he doesn't understand the complexities of this problem and so what he's going to do is sabotage
00:36:27the process so that there's failure so he can walk away that's what i think trump wants because he's
00:36:35not a leader he's not a man of courage he's a coward who has gotten himself into a situation that's
00:36:43outside his capacity to understand and he's going to withdraw from it and i'm concerned that this could
00:36:50be about you know because quitters that's that's a pattern of behavior and donald trump's a quitter
00:36:56when it comes to these decisive issues i'm worried about the iran negotiations because there will
00:37:01come a time if this thing is going to reach fruition donald trump is going to have to give his stamp of
00:37:07approval on some very bold um conclusions that give iran capabilities that trump is on record saying
00:37:16he will never allow israel definitely won't allow this uh or doesn't want it um and does trump have
00:37:22the courage to actually say yes this is what i stand for etc or as professor miranda said will
00:37:29somebody sign a document then the next day when everybody starts attacking trump does the man child
00:37:33get his feelings hurt and come out and say something completely different um it's impossible impossible
00:37:41at this juncture to speak responsibly about donald trump and foreign policy because we just don't know
00:37:47what this man's going to do yeah professor miranda donald trump called the iranian negotiators
00:37:54as intelligent and what does he mean and what is the outcome of the latest talks between iran and
00:38:03the united states we know that the foreign minister of iran said that was difficult but useful what does
00:38:10that mean to you it's very difficult to say nema i i uh on the one hand as as we were discussing
00:38:19earlier whitkoff right before the latest round he made some statements that uh were unacceptable to
00:38:29the iranians the iranian foreign minister responded basically saying that if this continues that we're
00:38:34going to go make similar public statements as well and then right after the negotiations
00:38:40we see trump making this sort of statement and others making similar statements uh which
00:38:48raise questions if whitkoff was insisting at the negotiating table well they're indirect talks of
00:38:55course but if if whitkoff was insisting that there's going to be no enrichment then i think that that
00:39:02would have led to the talks uh ending or at least the two sides would have just been sending
00:39:08messages back and forth uh that would not change anything so possibly whitkoff at the uh in oman was
00:39:22not saying the same thing that he was saying to breitbart and that he was being more flexible but
00:39:28difficult i'm just guessing this is you know the the taxi driver outside you know driving by our house
00:39:37his guess is as good as mine but my my guess would be that whitkoff is what he's saying in oman is not
00:39:48the exact thing that he said to breitbart can i just jump in with my taxi cab version of this um imagine
00:39:57me being a uh iranian cab driver right now first of all don't get my cab because i don't know the
00:40:03city well enough and we'll just get lost uh but if you want to ask me about the nuclear program
00:40:08i would say this the third round one of the interesting ways that it was described was that
00:40:14they were beginning to have technical discussions you don't have technical discussions about broad
00:40:20policy issues technical discussions come when you start talking about brass tacks in terms of
00:40:25monitoring regime of a nuclear enrichment program uh and whitkoff was part of that this would happen
00:40:34before he made the statements and when they left the when they left the third round both sides were
00:40:40optimistic they're like okay things things are happening then whitkoff said what he said i think that's
00:40:47because trump came under a lot of pressure from israel and i think that whitkoff's statements were
00:40:52directly linked to the israeli government's uh posture now that trump's had his um spat with um netanyahu
00:41:00um we're now moving into a fourth round of negotiations and again uh the technical aspect
00:41:07is very much part of this so and i think whitkoff has come out and said some things just this morning
00:41:15uh where he said that um the key thing is that iran will not have a nuclear weapons program that's
00:41:24saying that iran will have a nuclear energy program a nuclear enrichment program um so i i i think that
00:41:33the trump administration has made decisions uh that say no we we are going to have a deal if a deal can
00:41:41be finalized uh that's premised on iran retaining nuclear enrichment now once once you accept that
00:41:49that's the big hurdle for the united states now it comes down to how do we build a nuclear enrichment
00:41:57program that gives iran what it wants while providing political cover from us meaning that
00:42:03so that we can go out and explain to people how this is not a nuclear weapons program um and that's
00:42:09where they're at right now that's complicated it's difficult but that ain't nearly as difficult as
00:42:16overcoming that first hurdle because as professor marani said if the going in position united states
00:42:21is no enrichment then there is no need to further these discussions so obviously i believe the united
00:42:26states steve whitkoff has made a decision that we are looking for a deal that includes enrichment and
00:42:33um i'm very very very very um pleased by this because this is exactly what needs to happen to resolve
00:42:40this issue but let's look at russia whitkoff came out of discussions with the russians saying
00:42:45i fully understand the russian position i understand what the russians are talking about in terms of
00:42:51territory i understand we we know what the russian position is and believe me professor mirande makes it
00:42:58clear that the iranian position is non-negotiable the russian position is equally non-negotiable
00:43:04and so when whitkoff comes in and tells the president what the russian position is and reflects the
00:43:10reality that it's non-negotiable and then the president turns around allows steve kellogg to
00:43:15articulate things or the exact opposite of what the russian position is imply that that is american
00:43:19policy when the president speaks about europe as if the european uh disagreements with russia are valid
00:43:25and carry weight that means that whatever whitkoff said whatever he negotiated ready to discuss with
00:43:31the russians doesn't matter in the mind of the man child which means that whatever whitkoff comes out
00:43:38well in these discussions with iran they could come out with the perfect deal the fact is i have enough
00:43:45faith and confidence in steve whitkoff and his uh iranian counterparts that they that they can craft a
00:43:51deal that is workable can the man child can the man child um accept this can he can he withstand the
00:43:59criticism that's always going to be the big question not the quality of the deal the deal is going to be
00:44:05a good deal if they can finish this the question is what is the man child going to do when people start
00:44:09attacking them is he going to throw temper tantrum start crying start complaining to mommy um and and
00:44:15and then say no no no i reject that i'm taking my ball and i'm going home yeah i i i agree with scott that
00:44:23by the way that the russians are not going to give any serious concessions to the west but if if trump
00:44:30on day one had made the decision to accept president putin's demands president putin could have made it
00:44:37easier for him on smaller issues to to make to give him to make it easier for him to convince the public
00:44:43even though he had a mandate back then and he could have done it anyway but he could have given it
00:44:48him uh something to make it easier but now uh what we're what's what's probably going to happen is that
00:44:56we're going to have a war where the russian they where the russians uh go further and perhaps go all the
00:45:03way to odessa and it's and if there is going to be a deal it's going to be uh more difficult for trump
00:45:10to convince his the public the the elites because he's lost that momentum and the russians are going
00:45:17to make bigger demands because if they take more territory and they lose more men and uh then they
00:45:25go back to the negotiating table it's not going to be like what it was a few weeks ago or a few a
00:45:30couple of months ago there are a number of things here that i find interesting but i don't have any
00:45:36they don't necessarily uh help me reach a conclusion possibly one of the reasons why
00:45:44we see that this round of negotiations has been more positive than expected
00:45:51uh which again doesn't mean that we're going to have a deal but at this stage it seems to because
00:45:58a lot of people were saying well after what witkoff said then there's there's not not going to be any
00:46:02progress may have to do with the fact that trump is deeply irritated or angry with netanyahu or even
00:46:14further than that that as scott is implying but then again if that changes that could mean that
00:46:24u.s policy with regards to the negotiations would change too so it's unclear
00:46:31again it goes back to what i was saying about china trump basically when he when he made this
00:46:39move everyone was wondering it was a very daring move in my opinion a very foolish move
00:46:46but a very daring move but he retreated you know very no one was expecting this agreement to take place
00:46:55with the chinese so swiftly everyone was saying well they're going to speak and then we'll have to see
00:47:01what happens and then we saw you know they they literally announced a deal well not a provisional
00:47:06deal or a deal of sorts because they as i said they went back to where they were before liberation day
00:47:12and this is going to be a three-month process and who was who knows what's going to happen then
00:47:18but the point is that um this does show as i said earlier that trump is flexible china uh for example
00:47:31the ansara law but and it it does show possibly that his flexibility towards ansara law hamas and
00:47:42iran has is is is possible and that it may be linked to netanyahu uh it probably is linked to his
00:47:50relationship with netanyahu but i can't say for certain but all of this can be reversed just like
00:47:55the talks with china can be reversed just like russia we already seen that they've been reversed
00:48:02russia the war in ukraine had a solution and now we are miles away from that solution
00:48:10and we may not have a solution anytime soon this year may be a year of war and again who knows maybe
00:48:18trump will shift course on ukraine tomorrow it's so so confusing and it makes me more cautious
00:48:28than ever before to talk about anything because you don't i'd always get things wrong and now i'm sure
00:48:34i'm going to get things wrong but uh but the the war in ukraine is for me at this stage a very bad sign
00:48:43of the of of of what can happen because it was a it it could have had a good decent ending and now
00:48:56it's going to possibly have a very bloody ending on the other hand you have china which was going to
00:49:04lead us to a global economic catastrophe which was which we still are going are going to see the
00:49:13consequences in the coming weeks according to economists uh but he was able to shift uh policy
00:49:21and decrease uh the damage who knows what's going to happen with with the with the nuclear program is
00:49:30going to go down the ukraine russia road or is it going to go down the uh u.s uh china road which
00:49:40all of these could change by the way tomorrow but i'm what i'm saying is that we're seeing on a lot of
00:49:46unpredictability and things that we're hoping or expecting to happen did not happen it did not
00:49:51materialize in ukraine and things that we did not expect to turn in a positive way at least with with
00:49:57china it did happen so what does that mean for the nuclear deal the good thing the good news
00:50:04is that the iranian side knows the the details of of the nuclear program and and i'm sure i don't know
00:50:14who trump is using or who whitkoff is using for his negotiations the nuclear program has been
00:50:22negotiated many times most recently it was negotiated in depth with between dr uh baghetti who was a
00:50:32deputy foreign minister and head of the file and they almost had a deal with the p4 plus one with
00:50:36americans you know guiding the europeans from behind in vienna we almost had a deal dr adalchi was the
00:50:46deputy of dr zarif he was he knows exactly what's going on so and even though there's a lot of
00:50:54details and there are lots of complexities it would if the two sides want to have a deal uh and i'm sure
00:51:02the iranians want to with within the framework of their principles if there is the will to have a deal
00:51:08it is achievable uh more swiftly than before because everything has been every everything is
00:51:17is known all the roots have been explored all the debates have been taking have taken place in the
00:51:22past so it doesn't have to be something that goes on for for many months and uh and then it just drag
00:51:30on but and so that is the good news but the problem is that for trump it can be ours literally hours
00:51:39truth so on truth social he says something and everything changes i'll just throw this in there
00:51:47i think the good news for the iranian program is that iran has mature leadership that is sincerely
00:51:56looking out for the vested interest of the iranian nation the iranian people and that they recognize
00:52:03that war or a path towards war is not um is not a solution that finding a path towards peace is the
00:52:11solution and so i think they'll be far more tolerant of um the inconsistencies of the american uh
00:52:19trump administration um and i say the same thing about china very mature leadership
00:52:26they don't want a devastating trade war with the united states that doesn't
00:52:30meet china's goals and objectives at all um and i think the chinese are going to show a lot more
00:52:37maturity and patience with uh the tempestuous uh nature of trump russia has shown extreme patience with with
00:52:48with trump um the problem though is that trump isn't dealing with russia alone
00:52:54you have zelinski who is just a failure of a leader who doesn't care about his people and um is is
00:53:02negotiating as a tool of europe and europe is in a in a very compromised position um where they are
00:53:10committed to the strategic defeat of russia and they're not willing to back down from that position
00:53:14even though it's unattainable uh they're committing i thought when you meant compromise you were talking about
00:53:21the train uh issue i mean um if the european media is not going to go crazy about you know the
00:53:30possibility of their uh senior leadership um stimulating themselves artificially then you know
00:53:37you know maybe that's the norm uh in in europe i don't know um but the the fact is europe
00:53:46i mean europe is not a a a partner in this process europe is a is a disruptor and trump has allowed
00:53:57europe trump could have cut europe out in a heartbeat i mean just sliced him right off and said you're just
00:54:02not a factor in any of this um but trump has brought the men and allowed them to inject themselves
00:54:08even today as before we came on i still have to figure out what it what it meant but kellogg is now
00:54:13saying yeah america may support the deployment of european troops into uh ukraine what part of dead
00:54:20european troops don't you understand this is why kellogg should be permanently silenced or fired let him if he
00:54:28wants to speak let him go on fox news as a private citizen and say what steve kellogg wishes would happen
00:54:34but as long as he's a special envoy i mean this directly contradicts what donald trump has already
00:54:40said on this issue it directly contradicts what the secretary of defense has said on this issue
00:54:46and now steve kellogg's out there uh you know articulating policy at a very critical time
00:54:54do you want to sabotage any potential of a peace negotiation say that it's america's position
00:55:01that europeans once you get this magical mythical 30-day ceasefire that european peacekeepers will
00:55:06deploy west of the neper river russia say no they won't therefore there won't be it's sabotaging
00:55:14this this is why i think this is deliberate by trump he is afraid of getting the peace that could
00:55:23happen because it requires him to concede to russia things that once they're conceded will open them up
00:55:30for attack in europe and here at the united states and trump is it man enough to take that attack a
00:55:36true leader would absorb that attack go on national tv and explain to the american people why he did what
00:55:41he did trump is a man child and a man child can just have a temper tantrum and uh and and run to his
00:55:48room and hide that's donald trump and that's why there won't be peace in uh in ukraine and i agree
00:55:54with professor mirande there if you want to ask me to commit to this there nothing will come out of
00:56:00out of uh istanbul on thursday except this the russians will leave knowing there is no path towards peace
00:56:08this is such a clarifying moment for the russians and a necessary moment for the russians
00:56:13and again i don't want to predict the future but if i were the russians i would come back from that
00:56:18and say since there is no path for peace what we're seeing is the united states in europe and ukraine
00:56:25buying time to rebuild military capacity uh to put us in a weakened position that we have never been
00:56:32stronger than we are right now so right now is the moment to exploit our strength and change
00:56:39the strategic dynamic of this conflict by maybe transitioning from a special military operation
00:56:45to an active state of war that puts kiev under the firing line etc but do something to break
00:56:52this this this this paradigm that exists right now russia is winning a war of attrition
00:56:57but a war of attrition is a very bloody thing for both sides russia's winning but
00:57:04it's sustainability over time especially if the united states and europe are trying to
00:57:09boost ukrainian killing capacity um why would russia want to do that so i think russia is going to leave
00:57:16this with more clarity about what needs to be done and i think this summer we're going to see the nature of
00:57:23the conflict in ukraine change dramatically it'll be horrible it'll be bloody uh there it you know it will be
00:57:32awful uh but it's the only way russia is going to bring an end to this conflict this war will end
00:57:38on terms dictated to ukraine by russia and the united states and nato will be outside looking
00:57:44and we're not going to be a part of how this conflict terminates so if we take scott's logic
00:57:52and put it to what's going on in the region i i agree i i think the way things are going russia will
00:58:00have no option but to mobilize and it's already mobilized it says it's preparing itself for a summer
00:58:06offensive uh they will have to they will probably take a very different route they will hit hard and
00:58:14they will start pressing forward and that could break the back probably will break the back of
00:58:20the ukrainian army but the casualties will be huge they will be it will be very very bloody and it will
00:58:28be like an earthquake uh for european politics and for for the world because uh and this could have been
00:58:36stopped it could have been prevented two three months ago but if we take this logic
00:58:41and go back come back to the region that should make us very cautious about the future because
00:58:47if if the europeans and zelensky and the deep state let's call it the deep state in europe and the united
00:58:55states don't want peace in ukraine then imagine how the neocons zionists netanyahu and the these forces
00:59:06uh will be working to undermine any any degree of rapprochement between iran and the united states
00:59:13any decreasing intentions because ultimately the problem in the region between iran and the united
00:59:19states is not about the nuclear program it's not about terrorism it's not about rights it's not about
00:59:26children's rights it's not about global warming it's about israel and so the nuclear program
00:59:33is one of the key tools used by iran's antagonists iran's opponents to put pressure on the country
00:59:42because of iran support for the palestinian cause you don't see turkey sanction you don't see uh doha
00:59:49or qatar sanction you don't see any of these countries sanctions because none of them are
00:59:53person are really the governments are are sincerely working to the to the detriment of uh the israeli
01:00:02regime or in print maybe maybe to the detriment of politician but not to the the regime itself iran
01:00:10has been targeted and put under maximum pressure and and maximum sanctions and and threatened and
01:00:18antagonized and you know regime change operations have been carried out and terrorist attacks have
01:00:26been carried out because of israel so when you have this degree of antagonism then the negotiations
01:00:35uh that take place in oman or with oman present in if it's uh at an oman embassy somewhere in europe
01:00:45they're very vulnerable and the same is true with the ceasefire between the united states and ansar
01:00:53and the yemeni armed forces too and the same is true with regards to hamas i think scott alluded to
01:01:00this earlier that yes it is a big shift that the united states is directly negotiating with hamas this
01:01:07time around they didn't back off or they didn't back down when the israelis found out and started putting
01:01:13pressure on them but that doesn't mean that the united states next week is going to continue down
01:01:21the road of this what appears to be some sort of policy change it could just simply be a blip
01:01:27on the radar we don't know i personally believe though and this is the only prediction that i can
01:01:34make i think that the united states is going to continue to decline i think the way in which the
01:01:41trade war is being engineered is to the detriment of the united states i think although trump made a smart
01:01:48move to retreat but i think that the momentum he's he's he's put things into motion across the world
01:01:55that will not be good for the united states the fact that china was able to force trump to go to the
01:02:02day before uh liberation day is going to embolden all those countries who are going to sit down with
01:02:09americans and negotiate over tariffs because all of them will see that china literally got what it
01:02:15wanted so now we can do the same they are going to be they're going to have more cards to play with
01:02:21than china did i think in because of because of what china did on the other hand the war in ukraine
01:02:30is going to have very negative consequences for the united states and for europe it's going to be very
01:02:35bad and very bloody if this if they don't quickly shift gear so we're this year is going to be a
01:02:43very important year 2025 and i think that iran while it is going to hope for the best and work for the
01:02:51best but it's going to be preparing itself for the worst iran is going is going to as my understanding
01:02:57is that iran is preparing itself for some sort of military confrontation with the united states that
01:03:02doesn't mean it's going to happen i'm not saying that but it is preparing itself i don't believe
01:03:07there's going to be war between iran and the united states the united states does not have that ability
01:03:12it's the world has changed the united states would have to bring in a million and a half people you
01:03:17know 1990 that sort of thing but much bigger but the world has changed the u.s economy has changed
01:03:24iran has changed everything has changed iran's relations soon president we now hear that uh the russian
01:03:31president president president putin is coming to iran iran the iranian president is going to go
01:03:36on a state visit to china shortly and then he's going to go there again for the i think the shanghai
01:03:43cooperation organization things have changed and so in the region the israelis they're they're much
01:03:52diminished i'm not saying they're going to fall apart tomorrow but they're much diminished things are not
01:03:57looking good for the united states economically militarily public diplomacy wise when it comes
01:04:02to gaza the world blames the west this year is going to be a very key year i think in in in
01:04:11in contemporary history because so many things are in play but the iranians are preparing themselves
01:04:16the iranians are not going to be the ones that leave the negotiating they will even though it's in
01:04:21direct talks but then they're the negotiating table is something that the iranians are sitting at for
01:04:28two reasons one is in the hope that there will be a deal a decent deal where iran's rights are respected
01:04:35and iran will continue with its peaceful nuclear program and there will be a decrease in tension
01:04:41but the second path is confrontation or at least a continuation of what we have today where trump
01:04:48constantly threatens iran but i think there is also a possibility of the united states carrying out
01:04:54strikes against iran which i think would not end well for the united states i don't think it will end
01:04:58well for israel but trump could be pushed into doing this uh who knows he after all he murdered uh
01:05:08jano soleimani and uh i think it's i i i've never really heard their story but ever since he said that
01:05:16netanyahu pulled out at the last moment and that sort of thing the first time i heard that i think
01:05:22it it for me it was clear that this the israeli regime pushed him into and this is something that
01:05:28could happen again in future so again i i sorry i mean all i've been saying during this hour or so
01:05:38of discussion is i don't know i don't know what's going to happen uh but i think iran is going to
01:05:45continue to negotiate until we get a deal or until the united states chooses to discontinue with the
01:05:52negotiation yeah nima you need to name this program i don't know because i think that's a the the the
01:05:58mutual uh conclusion is when it comes to trump i don't know who does not even trump i don't think
01:06:07trump knows i i i i agree 100 percent i do not think that the people around trump can predict what
01:06:16he's going to do and i don't think trump knows what he's going to do no i'm not saying he's completely
01:06:20mad i'm not saying it's complete chaos but i do think that's who he is i think he i don't think he
01:06:27knows what he's going to do i i think this is not strategic uh uncertainty as they like to see it i
01:06:34do think it is chaos now whether it's the the you know what some have said and scott alluded to that
01:06:39whether it's the last person who speaks to him has the greatest influence i don't know
01:06:44how it works i'm sure it's many things together but whatever it is when whatever these factors are
01:06:50that make trump who he is and what he is it just makes it very difficult uh to to predict the future
01:06:59but one thing as i as i said earlier and i'm repeating myself but i think it's important one
01:07:04thing that it will do for certain is it is that it will make countries think about their relationships
01:07:12with one another without the united states this is going to strengthen the bond between iran and russia
01:07:18russia and china it is even going to raise questions in capitals of countries like india about the united
01:07:26states because if you don't know what the person who who you're dealing with is going to do tomorrow
01:07:31that makes it better for you to think about at least having other options too and i may i might i
01:07:38would like to add even though this is not it's being discussed this brief conflict between india
01:07:44and pakistan which i hope never happens again because uh war is not to the benefit of either side
01:07:51both sides have you know their media has been saying a lot of nonsense and exaggerating uh the
01:07:57only thing that came out of this i don't think the indians did much damage to pakistan i don't think
01:08:01that pakistanis did much damage to the indians in fact i think both of them were exaggerating but
01:08:07they were being careful even though people were killed but what did come out of this is that chinese
01:08:15military products have shown themselves to be better than people thought and that they did better than
01:08:24the french uh and european weapons that were being used by india and i think that too is something
01:08:31that people are going to calculate in the months in just like deep seek we were being told that yeah the
01:08:38chinese can make good cell phones and they can do this but you know the creativity is in the united
01:08:43states and then suddenly i i use deep seek i don't use anything else i mean they're better than the
01:08:49other ones at for the time being and so deep seek changed my the perception of many and of course it
01:08:58caused a huge fall in the stock market in the united states but i think that while you know the fact
01:09:07that these french uh jets advanced jets were down by not so new chinese jets and missiles i think that is
01:09:18significant as well and all of these combined what what's happening in ukraine the the genocide in gaza
01:09:25the ongoing genocide in gaza uh the uh the trade war not just with china but with the world and the you
01:09:34you know the the fact that china has emerged as capable we lost nema the china that uh the fact
01:09:42that china's emerged technologically capable not just in ai but in with regards to its military
01:09:50defense capabilities i think this is all going to have to be factored in and will be factored in by
01:09:57politicians across the world yep god you're going to have to i guess i gotta i gotta i gotta pretend
01:10:04that i'm nema there nema's back okay nema we hijacked your show we're going to call call it the
01:10:14scott muhammad show but you know we solved actually we came up with global solutions and we articulated it
01:10:21quite well yeah you missed it all yeah you missed it all by the way i think scott what professor
01:10:29mirandy just said is so much important for the foreign policy of the united states he mentioned
01:10:34vladimir putin going to be in iran talking with iranian leadership and iranian president going to
01:10:40china i would wonder what would that mean for the united states in the middle east do they really want
01:10:47to be on the part of israel do they really want to reconsider their policy in the long term this is
01:10:55huge and what's happening right now between even between saudi arabia and iran and what's going on
01:11:01it's so much important in my opinion in the eyes of donald trump and his administration how is that going
01:11:10to be perceived by the united states in europe well when you say the united states who are you talking
01:11:17about the the american people the american congress the establishment trump administration the
01:11:23president uh how are we defining the united states because there's different um levels of perception and
01:11:30you know perspectives um i don't think the american people understand what's happening to them
01:11:37i don't think the united states understands where we are i will always advocate uh very strongly for
01:11:44the united states and i will try to be um uh you know reality based in my uh in my approach um
01:11:54even under joe biden uh who i criticized vociferously uh i believe that the united states
01:12:00was a relevant nation in many ways the relevant nation in the world on many issues um so even when
01:12:07nations disagreed with us they had no choice but to deal with us that they had to take in the american
01:12:13perspective and uh their leaders had to fly to the united states or agreed to meet with the united
01:12:19states but the man child has made america irrelevant i mean we really have just taken ourselves out of
01:12:27the running when it comes to you know the the the major issues of the day um saudi arabia is hosting the
01:12:35the american president i believe not because the president is there to save saudi arabia
01:12:40but saudi arabia is saying we have to do something to prop this guy up because he's collapsing and we
01:12:48don't want to live in a world where we have a geopolitical vacuum created by the rapid withdrawal of the
01:12:55united states as a relevant player on the global stage which is what trump is doing trump is forcing
01:13:01the issues in these retreats that he's doing makes america irrelevant we could have been the most relevant
01:13:09player in the ukrainian russia uh deal we could have made ourselves absolutely essential to that
01:13:17what's going to happen instead is that we are going to withdraw and russia is going to be the only voice
01:13:24heard on this issue which creates a vacuum in europe the deficit of american leadership requires europe to
01:13:30come up with its own solution without america um we could be that if we were more assertive with
01:13:36israel we could be the defining voice but by backing out letting netanyahu do things he fills that vacuum
01:13:43we become irrelevant uh i'm afraid that's what we're doing so the saudis being the very pragmatic
01:13:50people they are i mean what was the first deal they came up with giving trump a victory we're sending
01:13:56600 billion we're going to invest 600 billion in america now trump gets to go i'm the greatest thing
01:14:00since sliced bread i got 600 billion in from the saudis i'm awesome i'm the man child america loves
01:14:07me and then what else that comes out of this nothing nothing he's not going to get what he wants on global
01:14:15oil prices he's not going to get the saudis to divorce their relationship with iran he's not going to get
01:14:20the saudis to back off their relationship with china he's not going to get the saudis to back off of
01:14:25anything the saudis are there to make the president look good and give him you know something to help
01:14:31prop him up because they don't want a geopolitical vacuum america under donald trump is becoming
01:14:37irrelevant and that's not a good thing for the world and again i think to be frank i think the
01:14:45iranians recognize this which is why the iranians are bending over backwards to you know stay at the
01:14:51negotiating table because as bad as an inconsistent trump is america has been has been the dominant
01:15:02player in the world for decades the dominant player the world's not ready to operate without an america
01:15:10out there playing a prominent role not a dominant role but a prominent role trump is in the process
01:15:17of even eliminating that possibility he's making america irrelevant and this is a dangerous
01:15:24situation for a number of reasons one the world's not ready to operate in that environment two there
01:15:28still is a need for american leadership and three having a man child throw a temper tantrum when he has
01:15:34his button on the nuclear you know the finger capable of pushing the nuclear button is not a solution
01:15:39any once the the instability that's engendered by the inconsistency of the trump administration
01:15:48is uh one of the greatest threats to international peace and security today
01:15:54professor mirandy do you believe that russia and china are in the process of being more active being more
01:16:03more making more substantial decisions about the middle east how do they see middle east in your opinion
01:16:12right now has the mind has their mind changed during the past let's say four years or three years
01:16:20i think it's uh what what's happened over the last 19 months is changing the has changed the way the
01:16:37world perceives the united states the west and israeli regime in even inside the united states you have some
01:16:44key supporters of trump uh hitting at heading out at apac at israel you have a you know a key congresswoman
01:16:55you have uh key uh you know whether it's candace owens or who is who's very hard hitting on the israeli
01:17:05and you have hosts of people nowadays just i think hours ago
01:17:08talker carlson i didn't watch it but he he did another show which was highly i would assume is
01:17:16highly critical of uh uh israeli regime and israeli supporters and uh this this these that these are
01:17:26these are this is huge you see small signs you know accumulating across europe of of change and
01:17:34mentality you see the financial times you see uh see the new york times printing things that they
01:17:44they wouldn't do so i'm not saying that the things are you know there's going to be a sea change but
01:17:49things are changing and uh that is you know russia's role and china's role in the region and across the
01:17:57world is going to change as well so as the united states continues to sacrifice itself for the sake
01:18:08of its the elites uh whether it's a deep state or the elites in europe or zelensky or whatever as it
01:18:16continues to sacrifice itself for the israeli regime as it continues to make foolish moves and with regards
01:18:23to the trade war which i i mean i understand some of the reasons why they want to put tariffs in
01:18:30place it's because the united states no longer produces anything but you know something that has
01:18:34been done over the last 40 years it's not going to be reversed in four months or four years and also
01:18:40there's this sort of paradox with the dollar on the one hand trump wants it to remain the reserve
01:18:45currency but i think one reason why the united states can't be competitive at home is because of the
01:18:51the dollar being the global reserve currency so the united states is in this terrible position and as it
01:18:58declines and or scott says becomes irrelevant or at least relatively speaking uh less relative
01:19:06relevant relevant i think that it's it's inevitable that china and russia and iran and other major players
01:19:14are going to uh fill in that space but uh that you know as empires as we've read in history books and as
01:19:24we've heard from people who have read history well as empires decline uh they become more uh aggressive they
01:19:36become more uh irrational they make they become uh more hostile and the speed in which this decline this
01:19:45empire is declining is unprecedented in world history usually in the past it would take centuries in the
01:19:52case of the uk depending on how you define it took a century at least uh but in the case of the united
01:19:59states it's um largely because of its own own goals or at least partially it's going down very fast and
01:20:06who knows what that could lead to it it could lead to a very dangerous situation scott do you want to add
01:20:14something before wrapping up no i uh i think uh professor mirandi and i are one mind here so yeah thank you so
01:20:25much scott and professor mirandi for being with us today great pleasure thank you very much for having
01:20:30us thanks i hate being i just have to say this i have to say this on record i hate beating up on my
01:20:38country i really do um i love my country um i mean it brings tears to my eyes to to imagine how much i love
01:20:45my country and um i want my country to succeed not at the expense of others but i want my country to succeed
01:20:51i want i want the american people to thrive to prosper and i want us to live up to our potential
01:20:56as a nation we are a good people we are a productive people we are an intelligent people we are a moral
01:21:02people um and we are floundering we are failing um you know but when you invite me on and you ask me
01:21:10questions i'm going to give you an honest answer but i have to say that this program no matter how much
01:21:15smile i put on my face this program hurt me deeply um it pains me to have a program like this because
01:21:22to be honest uh requires to say things that are critical of my country that every time i say them
01:21:28it hurts because it's a it's the truth it's the reality and it's not the america i want it to be
01:21:34it's not the america it should be um but i just wanted to say that because i think i tried to cover my
01:21:40pain with some frivolity with some humor um and with good spirit but uh this program hurt me deeply
01:21:48it really did it it pains me this is a very painful time for me to watch as professor miranda said the
01:21:54rapid decline of a of a country i love yeah well let's let's hope for better days for everyone across
01:22:02the globe and uh an end to the genocide and the cleansing and and a more just global system and
01:22:09better days for all people americans iranians russians europeans africans asians latin people
01:22:17from across latin america hopefully we'll when we'll hopefully our children will see better days
01:22:24we just got to get rid of the man child but we have three more years i didn't have to get a lot
01:22:29rid of a lot of men all right guys thanks a lot it was a pleasure take it
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