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00:00Hola y bienvenidos a The Europe Conversation.

00:10Mi guest esta semana es el Primo Minister Antísog, Micheál Martín.

00:14He habló conmigo después de su primera reunión en el Primo Minister

00:17con Ursula von der Leyen, President de la Comisión de la Comisión.

00:20He habló con ella sobre el proceso de la guerra con los Estados Unidos

00:24y lo que describe como la guerra en la tierra.

00:26Gaza.

00:26Micheál Martín, Primo Minister Antísog,

00:31thank you very much for joining us on The Europe Conversation.

00:34You're very welcome, delighted to be here.

00:36And you met with Ursula von der Leyen,

00:37your first time meeting her since becoming Taoiseach.

00:39Can I ask you first of all,

00:41the EU recently announced potential tariffs against the United States

00:45if there's no resolution to the 90-day negotiation period.

00:48Is Ireland supportive of that?

00:50We're members of the European Union

00:52and we appreciate the very measured and strategic approach

00:55that the Commission led by President von der Leyen has taken to date

00:59and we've been supportive of that.

01:00The pathway here has to be one of negotiation.

01:04And we welcome the fact that there's been a degree of engagement

01:06between the US administration and the European Commission

01:09on the fundamental issues pertaining to tariffs

01:12and trade overall between the European Union and the United States.

01:17And remember, of course, apart from goods,

01:20there's a huge services trade between the US and Europe

01:23and Europe's in deficit on services, surplus on goods.

01:26So, on the countermeasures,

01:29every member of the state will have issues with some aspects on that.

01:32But that's inevitable.

01:34We don't want to get to a position

01:35where Europe may have to deploy countermeasures.

01:38We, from the outset, don't believe in the imposition of tariffs.

01:42In relation to pharmaceuticals,

01:43which make up around 50% of Ireland's exports to the United States,

01:47I mean, that would have a huge impact on the Irish economy.

01:50We have a strong centre of innovative drugs.

01:52We believe, even within Europe, we need to create a good window,

01:56an IP window, to enable companies to get their deserved reward

02:00for investment in research and investment in innovation.

02:04So, we always have to support innovation.

02:07Now, in terms of any deal,

02:09I think the citizen needs access to medicines.

02:13And, again, Europe and America have a lot in common here.

02:17I want to just move on,

02:18because Ireland is taking the presidency of the European Council in 2026,

02:21and part of that will be negotiating the seven-year EU budget.

02:26There is a very strong consensus

02:27that defence and security has to be a key part of that.

02:30Can you see where the trade-offs might be in relation to the budget?

02:34Will there be a reduction, for example,

02:37on the common agricultural policy?

02:38Can Ireland see where there may be trade-offs?

02:40Well, Ireland is very focused on the common agricultural policy.

02:44We're focused on research as a key part

02:48of our competitiveness agenda within Europe.

02:50I'm a strong believer in research myself

02:52and the benefits that flow from it.

02:55We've just discussed pharmaceutical research

02:57and the important impact that has had on lives and lifespan.

03:00So I think the fundamental question will be

03:05how much money will be available.

03:09The need to develop some own resources

03:11and the fact that most people are looking for more expenditure

03:14on different aspects of the budget,

03:16but not as clear on how we produce the revenue

03:19to meet the desired expenditure.

03:23And, of course, we have to deal with next-generation EU,

03:25paying back the loans and so on,

03:27Ireland supported that, even though we're net contributors.

03:29We supported, if you like, the big bazooka approach to COVID-19

03:32and the collective approach.

03:35Did Ireland support something like common borrowing for defence?

03:38I think on defence, we accept the inevitability

03:41that in terms of the multi-financial framework,

03:44there will be member states who will want

03:45some portion of that to be allocated to defence needs.

03:49Ireland has no interest in getting in the way of other countries

03:54in terms of their necessities,

03:57their existential sense of having to protect themselves,

04:01given the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

04:03That has changed the entire security paradigm in Europe.

04:09Ireland itself understands we have vulnerabilities

04:12on cyber security, on subsea cable,

04:16and protecting those,

04:17and that's why we're involved in a lot of PESCO projects,

04:19or quite a number of PESCO projects on that,

04:21and why we've negotiated an individually tailored programme

04:25with NATO on the Partnership for Peace

04:26on those themes of cyber security

04:29and subsea cables as well.

04:31And are you concerned about the threat of democracy

04:33in Europe at the moment,

04:34when you see the growth of quite hard-right parties,

04:38whether it's Germany,

04:40all across Europe at the moment,

04:41and also you see certain aspects of it

04:44within the White House administration

04:46when it comes to freedom of expression due process?

04:49Well, I'm very worried about the coarseness of language

04:52in public discourse at the moment,

04:55no matter where you go.

04:56Even in Ireland,

04:58and social media has facilitated this,

05:00this kind of sharp soundbite of hate,

05:04of dismissing everybody if you don't agree with their view,

05:07of labelling people and putting people into pigeonholes.

05:11The capacity to have debate,

05:13as we're having now,

05:14is fast slipping away from the public realm a bit,

05:18and that worries me.

05:19Are you concerned about it in the United States, though,

05:22or even in Europe,

05:23and even if you look in places like Hungary,

05:25the reduction of rights for LGBT communities?

05:27We are very concerned about that in Hungary

05:28in terms of the undermining of the LGBTI community,

05:32and the banning of pride parades.

05:36These are very fundamental issues

05:37that Europe has to engage with the European Union.

05:40And there's a tendency,

05:41I look at some of the rhetoric that's emanating

05:43from the Hungarian government towards Europe.

05:45I mean, we'll conquer Europe,

05:46or we'll take them over,

05:48or we'll have a common something.

05:50So all that stuff is,

05:52I think, is inflaming public opinion

05:55in a very negative way.

05:56I mean, most European citizens like the fact

05:59that they're part of the European Union.

06:00I said in a speech recently, you know,

06:01in the European Union, you know,

06:03we have all of that freedom of speech.

06:07We have regulated markets.

06:09We have good standards in food

06:11and across the board.

06:13We have stability.

06:14Who wouldn't want to live in an environment like that?

06:18Do you think that the EU should do more

06:19in relation to this?

06:21Yes.

06:21And I think also we should do more

06:23to provide a positive narrative

06:25of what being a member of the European Union means.

06:27Would you like to see maybe Article 7

06:29or other responses?

06:30I think there are many instruments we have.

06:32Article 7 is one.

06:34I think we should pursue all instruments.

06:36I think, you know,

06:38we've always accepted unanimity

06:41on certain aspects.

06:43We think it's been abused.

06:44And I believe the European Union

06:47will not become workable

06:48if that abuse continues.

06:51And I think there's only so much

06:52member states can take

06:53in terms of willful abuse of the veto.

06:57We've seen it play out in Ukraine.

07:00And so there are a number of instruments

07:03that we can use

07:03and we shouldn't be afraid to use them.

07:04In Ukraine,

07:05Ireland is obviously very supportive

07:07of enlargement

07:07and Ukraine becoming an EU member state.

07:10Do you think that's going to be possible,

07:11seeing as that it's all blocked at the moment?

07:13It's outrageous what's going on at the moment.

07:15In my view,

07:16it's essential that Ukraine

07:17becomes a member of the European Union

07:19for geopolitical reasons.

07:21And I think Europe probably

07:23missed opportunities

07:25over the last decade or two

07:26in terms of the Western Balkans as well.

07:29And I'd like to see, you know,

07:30Montenegro and North Macedonia

07:32and other states

07:33in the Western Baltics

07:34in due course become members also.

07:35And I've been an advocate of this

07:38for quite some time.

07:40But it seems that people are exploiting

07:44the mechanisms of the veto and so on.

07:45As in Viktor Orl in Hungary.

07:47Yeah, unreasonably in my view.

07:49Unreasonably.

07:50Europe has made a lot of attempts

07:51to try and unblock these issues

07:54to inmediation and engagement.

07:56And likewise, you know,

07:58in terms of the EPF,

07:59the European Peace Facility as well,

08:03has been,

08:04has slowed down Ireland's contribution

08:07to Ukraine.

08:08We contributed non-lethal finance to that.

08:11Hasn't been able to be utilised and so on.

08:14Now we're doing it bilaterally.

08:15One area that you have been at odds

08:17with the EU consensus

08:19is in relation to Israel and Gaza.

08:22And earlier,

08:23before you've criticised Israel

08:25for committing war crimes,

08:27be it starvation and so on.

08:30Tell us about your engagement

08:31with Ursula von der Leyen

08:32in relation to that.

08:33It's quite shocking

08:34what is now happening within Gaza.

08:37To have an effective blockade

08:39for 50 days and more,

08:4160 days maybe now,

08:42in terms of food,

08:44in terms of the essentials of life,

08:46the bare necessities of life,

08:48in my view,

08:49must be considered.

08:51A war crime.

08:52And I don't say that easily.

08:54I want the resolution.

08:56We want the restoration

08:57of the ceasefire.

08:58We want the release of all hostages.

08:59In my view,

09:00it was shocking

09:00to take people as hostages.

09:02These were innocent people

09:03at a concert in their kibbutz.

09:06I went to kibbutz Beirut,

09:07myself,

09:08to see at first hand

09:09the impact of the horrific

09:11Hamas attack on Israel.

09:14And that was shocking

09:15and horrible.

09:17And I've condemned it

09:18from the outset.

09:19And I went there

09:19to show empathy

09:20with the people

09:20who had been attacked.

09:22So all those,

09:22I mean,

09:23the hostages should have been

09:23released a long time ago.

09:25But the war that has been

09:27waged in response,

09:30in my view,

09:30has lost any moral compass

09:32at this stage

09:32in terms of its

09:34unacceptable impact

09:35on the civilian population

09:37and on children.

09:38And in Ireland,

09:39there's real desperate

09:41sadness now

09:42and horror

09:43and a sense of headlessness

09:44at what we see

09:46in our TV screens

09:47of young children

09:48on stretchers

09:49and hospitals

09:49very badly injured,

09:52many families

09:53being wiped out,

09:56kids being orphaned.

09:57From a humanity

09:58point of view,

09:59it's beyond comprehension.

10:01And what's happening now

10:02in terms of a doubling down

10:04by Israel

10:04in terms of occupation

10:05and intensification

10:06of the war on the ground,

10:08they've bombed hospitals.

10:10And I know

10:10Israel will say,

10:11well, Hamas are in the hospitals

10:12and so forth.

10:14Kids need a basic access

10:15to medicine.

10:17Many externally funded hospitals

10:19from international organizations

10:21or indeed from other countries

10:22have been bombed.

10:25Life has been,

10:25I mean,

10:26humanitarian workers

10:27have been murdered

10:27in terms of Red Crescent

10:30and so on

10:31that we saw recently.

10:33And I think the weaponization

10:35of the very basic necessities

10:37of life

10:38from my perspective

10:40is the breach

10:41of humanitarian law.

10:42And I think that raises

10:42very significant issues

10:43for us then for Europe

10:44in terms of the EU

10:47Israel Association Agreement

10:49and the human rights clauses

10:50that are part of that.

10:53And so there has to be

10:54a discussion of that now.

10:56But when we look back

10:56at this moment,

10:58obviously the EU

10:59being a union

11:00of international law,

11:02what will you say

11:03people will say

11:04about Europe's response?

11:05That is my core point.

11:06I think this is fundamental

11:07to Europe

11:08and to the European Union

11:08and what we stand for.

11:10And, you know,

11:11we have communicated

11:12to other countries

11:13around the world

11:13in terms of Ukraine

11:14and the violation

11:17of its territorial integrity.

11:18A different war

11:20and the situation

11:21in the Middle East,

11:22I accept fully

11:23the complexities

11:23and all of that.

11:25But it's the unacceptable

11:27level of death

11:28and destruction

11:29and displacement.

11:32And it is,

11:34many people have said

11:34that going back

11:35to 2011,

11:36it's hell on earth.

11:37And it really poses

11:39the most fundamental

11:40of questions

11:41to the European Union

11:42in terms of our values

11:44and what we're prepared

11:46to stand up for.

11:47Okay, Micheál Martin,

11:49Prime Minister of Ireland

11:50and Taoiseach,

11:50thank you very much

11:51for joining us

11:51on the Europe Conversation.

11:53You're very welcome indeed.

11:54Thank you.

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