00:07Gracias por ver el video.
00:30¿Cuál es el objetivo de esta operación?
00:33¿Y es el objetivo de cambiar?
00:35Porque en el principio de la operación,
00:37Donald Trump, President Trump,
00:38dijo que quería cambiar el régimen
00:44en Irán.
00:45Después de eso,
00:47la cuestión de la nuclear,
00:48que fue raised por los Estados Unidos.
00:50Y ahora,
00:51es la cuestión de, en un sentido,
00:54destruir el militario de los Estados Unidos.
00:57Bueno, la general impresión es
01:00que Trump realmente pensó
01:02que Irán
01:03podría reactar
01:05como Venezuela
01:06hacía.
01:07Apparently,
01:08no funcionó.
01:09Apparently,
01:10los Irános
01:11realmente
01:11han hecho
01:13la decisión
01:14de esperar.
01:15que no se acuerdan,
01:19que
01:20el presidente Trump
01:21se acuerdan,
01:22se acuerdan,
01:24se acuerdan,
01:24que el presidente
01:28está acuerdan,
01:30en un sentido,
01:30a la decisión,
01:35de las olas, considerando la situación en la gulf,
01:38que básicamente a algún momento Trump va a seguir.
01:42I am the winner, and it's the end of the story.
01:46I think that's what we are facing right now.
01:49I've got to ask you, of course, this is a very different President Trump,
01:53because he always said he didn't want to force changes in countries,
01:56and now we're seeing a very different foreign policy agenda.
01:59So I've got to ask you, is this really an American war,
02:02or is this really Israel dragging the U.S. into war?
02:05I think it's a good question, because you know that Trump,
02:09even before he entered the political life,
02:13actually was criticizing the presidents, the American presidents, before him,
02:19because he was opposed to these military endeavors throughout the world.
02:23And for the MAGA crowd, I think it was an important element
02:27that the Americans really were not going to waste their money
02:33while, you know, the U.S. itself, there are a lot of things to change.
02:40Apparently, and it's quite a surprise, and frankly, personally, I didn't expect it.
02:45Suddenly, you have Donald Trump, who is engaged in a sort of neoconservative policy.
02:51The only difference right now with George H. Bush was, at the time,
02:56George H. Bush was dreaming of bringing democracy.
02:59He was using American military force to export democracy.
03:05While with Trump, Trump doesn't care about democracy.
03:09So, the question is, and it's a question which is raised by a lot of Americans,
03:15is whether it's a decision that really Netanyahu has succeeded to convince Trump
03:23to enter into this war.
03:26I think it's a very negative question for the future of Israel,
03:31because it's going to raise, really, it's going to feed in the MAGA crowd
03:36where anti-Semitism has always been, you know, really a torment,
03:42really, I think, it could have very negative consequences
03:46on the relationship between the U.S. and Israel.
03:50Of course, and we talked about anti-Semitism here, too, in Europe.
03:53But I've got to ask you then, if this is really an effort pushed by Israel,
03:58what is the goal for Prime Minister Netanyahu?
04:00I think for Israel, in a sense, everything has changed October the 7th.
04:06Still October the 7th, there is a sort of balance in the Middle East,
04:11really, and the border with Lebanon is still,
04:16and with Hamas, actually, there is, you know, also a modular event
04:22between Israel and Hamas, since Israel was accepting Qatar to send money,
04:28to bring money to Hamas.
04:30So there is a sort of balance.
04:33October the 7th was such a trauma for the Israelis,
04:38and also was so serious that Israel has decided that we couldn't go down,
04:44go back to the situation of October the 6th.
04:48We wanted to really to change the geopolitical situation in the Middle East,
04:56in a sense, in a sense, to impose a sort of hegemony in the Middle East,
05:02and have been quite successful with the Hezbollah, really quite successful.
05:08So the last obstacle to the Israeli military supremacy is Iran.
05:15So sooner or later, really, Israel and Iran would confront really regularly and very directly.
05:26So I think for the Israelis right now, the question is to get rid of Iran as a great power
05:33in the Middle East.
05:34And that's what they are trying to do.
05:37So if tomorrow, I think Trump is tackle, if Trump is really saying, I'm leaving, I've won the war,
05:45this time I'm not convinced that Israel will stop, to stop the bombings.
05:50Of course, the message that we get with the line of succession is that the hardliners are still in place
05:56in Tehran.
05:57How do you see this playing out?
05:58Is there a scenario in which, ultimately, they have no other choice but to get on the phone and talk
06:03to President Trump,
06:04even if until now, it's just been retaliation, and they've not picked up the phone that we know, to Washington?
06:09No, I think, unfortunately, I think that if I were, you know, I tried to be, if I were an
06:14Ayatollah,
06:14I would certainly do what the Iranians are doing right now.
06:18And I think that right now, they hope, again, as I have said, that Trump will leave, saying,
06:25I've won, I've killed Khamenei, and I have destroyed all the military capabilities of Iran.
06:32I'm leaving.
06:32And the result would be to have the bold states suddenly facing, I think, a revenge, a full of, really,
06:43an Islamic republic full of revenge.
06:46And really, look at Khamenei the summer, you know, the new, apparently, the new supreme leader.
06:52But you have to imagine, his father, his mother, his son, his brother, his sister-in-law, his nephew have
07:02been killed in a few days by the Americans.
07:05Really, he's a human being.
07:06Whatever you think of him, he is going to make, I think, if the Americans leave,
07:12and I think they don't have the choice at the end of the day, he will want to have a
07:16revenge.
07:17And the gold stage will be actually very vulnerable.
07:21Of course, there's a question around the security himself for this individual.
07:24But I've got to ask you about the Europeans.
07:27Where is Europe in this crisis?
07:29And the fact I've got to ask you says a lot.
07:30When I was teaching international relations in Paris, I was always saying,
07:35if you have a question about Europeans, the first sentence that you should use is the Europeans will be divided.
07:42We are, by definition, divided because we are, you know, we have different powers, different geography, with different history.
07:50Obviously, you see, for instance, that Germany is sticking to the U.S. and sticking to Israel.
07:57It's really, it's obvious.
07:59Most of the Europeans, I would say, are trying to hide themselves.
08:03They don't want to be taken between the American hammer and, again, maybe the Israeli handrail or the Iranian handrail.
08:14So, most of the Europeans are looking the other way and waiting for the end of the crisis.
08:21We have some countries which are more active.
08:24Spain.
08:25Spain has been really on the front line of really sticking to the international law and has been very active.
08:36Some say Spain has now taken the part of France.
08:39If there was an echo to the Iran invasion, some would say Spain is now the French voice at the
08:44time.
08:44Would you agree?
08:45I think, in a sense, to be frank, I think the Spanish prime minister was on the front line.
08:51The French have rejoined, really have rejoined the Spaniards.
08:55And now, one by one, the European countries are really assessing that the operation is in a dead end and
09:05also assessing that their public opinion is more and more moved by the suffering of the civilian population in Iran,
09:16but also in Lebanon.
09:16And if I may, just lastly, of course, the one woman who seems to want to be very active is
09:23the head of the European Commission.
09:24Are you surprised by the role that the head of the Commission is playing and wants to play?
09:28Is she in the wrong or, ultimately, is she a smart operator?
09:31I am a bit, you know, really, I'm a bit surprised because she's out of her competence.
09:36You know, the treaty, the European treaty, which is the basis of the European Union, doesn't give her any special
09:45competence in foreign policy.
09:48On the top of that, she's sticking to a line, which, again, it's not the line of Spain.
09:54It's not the line of France.
09:56It's a German line, really.
09:59So, especially, which is more important, in a sense, than the treaties, is the fact that the Europeans are the
10:09last flag bearer of international law.
10:12Really, it's, I should say, the DNA of the European Union is the international law.
10:20And to hear the president of the European Commission saying that, which, really, it's not that important, the way the
10:29Germans actually are saying, what the Germans are saying, frankly, you can, really, you can ask a lot of questions
10:37about that.
10:38Yes, I think there is a division in the European Union, not at a very bad moment, but, again, as
10:46I've told you, with the Europeans, they're always divided.
10:49But on this point, just very briefly, what she did say is that the EU stands for international law, but
10:54it cannot be the custodian of a world that no longer exists.
10:58Does she have a point, or is she in the wrong?
11:00Is this the wrong time to make that statement?
11:02You know, frankly, to be for, it's a bit like somebody who is, well, it's very French, who is somebody
11:10who is in the middle of adultery and is going and is saying, oh, actually, I am in favor of
11:16the principle of marital fidelity.
11:19While committing adultery, while committing adultery, it's not, the international law is not only a principle, you know, really coming
11:29from heaven, but it's a policy.
11:33And which means that it should have consequences.
11:37And we should, the Europeans, really, in a sense, saying we have to react, to react against Israel and against
11:47the U.S.
11:48Well, Ambassador, thank you so much on the geopolitics and marriage, too.
11:52Thank you for joining us.
11:53Always great to see you.
11:54Thank you.
11:55A pleasure.
11:56A pleasure.
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