01:00Estimate
01:00What kind of
01:03Affects this can have
01:05To Europe
01:06In short
01:08And also the long term
01:09But of course
01:12I think that Europe
01:13Needs to look this situation
01:16Very carefully
01:16And also prepare
01:19For different kind of skin areas
01:21Is Europe
01:23Today equipped
01:25Or prepared to deal with more
01:27Migration pressures
01:29Bueno, en el momento no vemos, you know, grandes movimientos
01:35Y básicamente, cuando estas cosas suceden
01:38Es la próxima brecha que las personas están cruzando
01:45Si en Europa podemos manejar nuestro sistema asilo
01:52Para aquellos que necesitan protección, en vez de aquellos que busquen mejor vida
02:00Es, por supuesto, más sustentable
02:04Y en términos de Finlandia y su interna seguridad
02:08¿Has detectado alguna amenaza, la amenaza de iranian sleeper celdas y así?
02:14Bueno, creo que esta es la pregunta que está en toda Europa
02:21Porque, por supuesto, estos tipos de conflictos pueden tener resultado
02:30Que las otras personas en Europa están tratando de hacer movimientos violentos
02:37Así que esto es algo que nuestra seguridad y inteligencia
02:44Estamos observando muy bien en el momento
02:47Ok, I want to move on and look at the EU's migration policy
02:51Now there's a big emphasis on facilitating the return of migrants
02:56Who do not have the right to stay in Europe
02:59Yet on Tuesday, after a meeting about the situation in the Middle East
03:04A European commissioner for the Mediterranean, Dubravka, Svitsa
03:08She said that the EU is now developing partnerships with Syria, Lebanon and Jordan
03:14To ensure conditions for voluntary and safe returns to those countries
03:19Was this bad timing from the commissioner saying this about Lebanon, for example
03:24While there's an active war affecting the country
03:27We have failed with returns as a Europe
03:32If we look, those who have a return order
03:36Only 20-25% is leaving from Europe
03:40So it means that every, every year
03:42We are having more and more people who are staying illegally
03:46So we need to do something
03:48And I'm very glad that the commission have made very, I would say, quick movements on this
03:57For example, this return regulation is now on EP
04:01And we also hope that this will come out very fast
04:06So we can have new tools, for example, these return hubs outside the EU
04:11Of course, because this is one of the things that the commission has approved now
04:15Is that something Finland is looking into? Setting up return hubs in other third countries
04:20Well, actually, Finland is doing strict policies
04:26And we have made a change of paradigm of the migration policies
04:31And we are looking for very much new tools for the returns as well
04:38So I think that all of these regulations
04:42Safe countries, safe countries of origin
04:45And this return regulation will be very good
04:49You said you're looking into new tools
04:51Does that mean you're in discussions with other countries outside Europe for return hubs?
04:56We need to have this regulation, of course, first
05:00But yes, we are very much interested in that option too
05:05And what do you make of the criticism of this plan?
05:09Some people would say, well, people who come to Finland and other European countries
05:13In search of a better life are then sent to a country
05:17They might have no link to, no family connections to
05:20To a camp, essentially
05:23Isn't that inhumane?
05:25I don't think it's inhumane
05:28Because there is an option
05:32There is always an option to go back to your country of origin
05:36Where did you came from?
05:37And the other thing is that asylum system wasn't created for seeking better life
05:45It was for the protection
05:47And if we are filling this basket with other reasons
05:55Then we are in trouble
05:57It's not sustainable
05:59But yet in Finland at the moment
06:00That right to seek asylum is suspended
06:03Has been, I believe, since 2023
06:05If I'm not mistaken, please do correct me
06:07Is that the new normal for Finland?
06:09Now that people cannot come to your country and seek asylum
06:12That is not true
06:14People can come to our country and seek asylum
06:17But the suspension of the right asylum
06:20In relation to what is happening on the border with Russia
06:23That is, as you mentioned, changing the paradigm
06:26What is happening now in our eastern border
06:29Is that we have closed all the border crossing points
06:36And we have made this border security law
06:40Under the certain circumstances which are very high
06:44If we activate it
06:46Then the border guards have a right to prevent people to enter to Finnish territory
06:54Or if they enter, we will check if they are vulnerable
06:59Or in immediate life danger in that country where they enter to Finland
07:05If not, then we will return them back
07:10And in terms of the other threats coming from that border
07:13Reports of military build-up
07:16On the other side of the Finnish-Russian border
07:19How concerned are you about that today
07:21And the threats to Finnish security and stability?
07:24Well, I think that
07:30It seems like Russian side is building on their side
07:36As long as they stay on their side, we are happy
07:40I want to come back to the EU's migration policy
07:42There seems to be a certain political current
07:45Which Finland probably would count itself part of this group of governments
07:49Who really want to tighten the rules
07:51But there's a smaller group of countries
07:53Maybe taking a drastically different position
07:55Such as the Spanish government recently
07:58Regularising half a million migrants in Spain
08:02Who are there irregularly
08:04What do you, as the Migration Minister for Finland
08:07Make of those policies?
08:10Well, I wouldn't ever success the acts like that
08:16And the other thing is that
08:18When we are having the same area
08:23The Schengen area
08:24The Team Europe
08:26As people is talking about
08:31Then I think there is high risk
08:33If some countries is doing
08:36Basically really opposite than the other countries
08:41Because now, for example
08:45Those people are very easily
08:49To go to another countries
08:51So I think that
08:54I think that
08:56We need to all feel the responsibility
09:01Of our common area
09:04And it comes to migration as well
09:07The pact on migration
09:09Which should be implemented from June this year
09:13This was part of this Team Europe
09:15As part of this solidarity mechanism
09:17That they call it
09:17Where there's an option for other member states
09:20To take in migrants
09:21That reach some of the member states
09:23Under most pressure
09:24And not many countries
09:26Have picked up on this opportunity
09:28Including Finland
09:29And there are estimates
09:30That there might be
09:32As little as 10,000 relocations in Europe
09:35So my question is
09:37Is this pact really working?
09:39Is there solidarity?
09:41Well, there is options
09:43How to show your solidarity
09:46And Finland have to choose
09:48By helping with money
09:51But I don't think
09:52That European migration policies
09:55Are resolved by solidarity
09:58I think we need to work on that way
10:01That we really decrease the numbers
10:05Who is coming to Europe
10:07And how we do this
10:09We do this in third countries
10:11And we need to make more innovative solutions
10:16Not to bring people in
10:18And then, you know
10:20We are basically in the situation
10:22Where nobody wants to relocate
10:24So this is not working in that way
10:28You talk about innovative solutions
10:30What are those in your view?
10:32What is the EU not doing
10:33That it could be doing?
10:35Well, I think that the most important thing
10:38Is cut the smugglers' money-making machine
10:42But there's been talk about this for years
10:44Yeah, I know
10:44But it's still a problem
10:45I know
10:45What needs to be done
10:46But I think that the most important thing
10:48Is think how we prevent people
10:52To enter the Europe
10:56By smugglers' boat
10:59You do this by having presence
11:02On the other side of the sea
11:04And you do this, for example
11:06Looking for the possibilities
11:09Of safe ports
11:13That if somebody is rescued
11:16They are bringing back to third country
11:19Not to Europe
11:20So I think that we need to decrease the numbers
11:24Finally, just to close off
11:25Just for a clarification
11:26You mentioned the presence
11:28On the other side of the sea
11:29You said
11:29Does that mean more presence for Frontex?
11:33More of a mandate for Frontex?
11:34What would that exactly look like?
11:36Well, actually, at this moment
11:37Frontex mandate is
11:44Rewrite
11:45So there could be, I think
11:47Possibilities for that, for example
11:50Okay
11:51Minister, thank you so much
11:52For joining us on 12 Minutes With
11:53Thank you
11:54So thank you so much for doing
11:55Thank you so much for coming
11:58Thank youwyn
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