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00:30Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom.
00:36Today is Friday, May 9th, 2025. It's the end of the day, the end of the week.
00:41It's our favorite segment, the Intelligence Community Roundtable, with Ray McGovern, who's coming to us from his hotel in Moscow, and Larry Johnson from his usual location.
00:53Gentlemen, welcome here. We have a great deal to talk about, as usual.
00:58Let's start with Victory Day in Moscow, Ray McGovern, which I'm sure received extraordinary adulation, rightly so, and extraordinary coverage in Moscow, but barely a peep over here.
01:17Tell us what you saw, and we're going to put up a picture of you where you're two people away.
01:23There you are, and the gentleman over your left shoulder with the sunglasses is Dmitry Medvedev,
01:32the former president of Russia and the now deputy chair of Russia's National Security Council, just to show you how VIP-ish you have become, Mr. McGovern.
01:49I don't know how you got those seats, but God bless you.
01:51What did you see? What was it like?
01:53Well, first of all, I don't think if I were not with Oliver Stone, we would have gotten such good seats, in all honesty.
02:03It was quite impressive. It was a really good show.
02:08President Putin made a pretty emotional speech.
02:11It was short. It was not sweet, but it was reasonable.
02:16In other words, here's the way he started out.
02:20Comrade, soldiers, and sailors, sergeants, and sergeants, majors, midshipmen, and warrant officers, comrade officers, generals, and admirals.
02:34Notice the sequence there.
02:37Notice the priority given to the simple soldiers.
02:41That caught my eye right off the bat and sort of set the tone.
02:44He talked about the defeat of Germany.
02:48It could not have happened without the combined efforts of the allies.
02:54Wow.
02:55Combined.
02:56Is he talking about the U.S.?
02:57Well, here's what he says.
02:59We will never forget that the opening of the Second Front in Europe,
03:04which took place after the decisive battles in the territory of the Soviet Union,
03:09that this Second Front hastened victory.
03:14And we highly appreciate the contribution made to a common struggle by the allied armies,
03:19members of the resistance, and the courageous people of China.
03:23Here's Xi Jinping sitting right to his right.
03:26Now, he says that we'll continue to look up to our veterans, and we'll take their example,
03:32and we'll give those traditions and this great heritage, and it is a great heritage at the cost of 27 million killed.
03:42We'll give this great heritage the biggest place in our hearts and pass them on to future generations.
03:49Putin is fixed on future generations.
03:53I could say a little bit more about that when he addressed the same youth forum that I did on Wednesday and I did last Tuesday.
04:02It's very interesting how he comes across to the young people and how he cultivates this need to pass along traditions and pass along history, really.
04:12Larry, the real history, not the history that's coming out of the White House, I'm afraid to say.
04:17Larry, the real history is that whatever you think of FDR politically, whatever you think of Churchill,
04:25Churchill, they both stated clearly the Russians won World War II.
04:32Churchill used a phrase like, the Russian military ripped the guts out of the Wehrmacht.
04:38And yet, the United States does not remember.
04:43Yeah, and it's stunning when you compare Russia inflicted 80% to 85% of the casualties on the German army.
04:53The United States with the British allies, 15%.
04:58The Russians lost, combined between military and civilian casualties, KIA, killed in action during World War II.
05:07They lost 20% of their population, almost 21%, actually.
05:13That means one in every five Russians died in that war.
05:17Compare that with the United States, where one-tenth of one percent died in the European theater, 189,000.
05:29We lost 110,000 in the Pacific.
05:33And then there was another 134,000 counted as World War II casualties because they died while wearing a uniform.
05:39But they were, you know, they got into a fight at a bar.
05:43They were run over by a car.
05:46They got sick.
05:48So the actual combat casualties, the United States suffered virtually nothing.
05:55And it is outrageous and disgusting for Donald Trump to make this claim that, oh, yeah, we want it.
06:05But we were at best spectators.
06:08I mean, in terms of the actual battles fought.
06:12And that is not to take away from those who served and those who lost their lives.
06:16But for God's sake, we need to put it in proper perspective.
06:20The only other country that came close to suffering losses like Russia was China.
06:25And so here are China and Russia sitting together.
06:28You know, a lot of people will say conventionally that 60 million people died in World War II.
06:33Well, between Russia and China, 47 million Russian and Chinese died.
06:39Wow.
06:39Put that into perspective.
06:40How significant to, Ray, to the national psyche is remembrance of sacrifice and collective patriotism?
06:56Central, central.
06:57Central is the right word.
06:59You know, there is fact.
07:04There are no alternative facts, as Trump's first White House spokesman used to talk about, alternative fact.
07:13There's no alternative history.
07:16Now, the thing that surprised me, there was no recrimination.
07:19This was a celebration.
07:21Here's Xi Jinping.
07:22Here's Putin.
07:23Here's what Larry just mentioned about history.
07:26And they're not criticizing the allies.
07:29They say, oh, we're grateful for their help.
07:31You know, they helped open the second front.
07:34And even though we had the major battles, they helped.
07:36And we're very happy about that.
07:38They're trying to pass along not a hateful history.
07:42They're trying to pass along an accurate history.
07:45And when the White House comes out with strange things like alternative history, then the whole world ridicules that appropriately.
07:53Let me cite this one little Q&A.
07:56On Wednesday, when Putin addressed this youth forum, Znania was the outlet.
08:01He had a long Q&A, as usual, about two hours.
08:04Okay.
08:04And then this woman, Victoria Agapova, she said, my great-grandfather.
08:10He was disabled, but he saved a whole platoon of disabled people by putting up a mock soldier, drawing Nazi fire on it, and saving the rest of his comrades.
08:25And so Putin, this was interesting.
08:27So Putin, I would have expected him to say, oh, my, well, thank you.
08:30We didn't say that.
08:32He said, what's your source for that?
08:34You know, once you're an intelligence officer, you want to know the source.
08:41And she said, my great-grandmother.
08:43Well, how'd she know?
08:44Well, that was her husband, and that's my grandmother.
08:47Oh, okay.
08:48And then he went on to say, and this is really interesting.
08:51So it was your mother's grandfather.
08:53Yeah, right.
08:53Okay.
08:54My mother told me stories about the war.
08:57We barely survived the hunger and the blockade of Leningrad.
09:07So he says, here's what she said.
09:10My relatives, or what happened to me was my relatives passed this letter from my grandfather during the war.
09:17He wrote it to his son who was at the front.
09:19The letter was an account of how my grandfather's wife died with a bullet in her stomach.
09:24And as she was dying, she says, look, don't cry for me.
09:28Don't worry about me.
09:29What's important is that we win.
09:31And here's what Putin says on that.
09:36This is very important.
09:39It refers to a quality many people have, regardless of nationality, including Russians.
09:49Now, that's not a man beset by nationalism.
09:52That's a man who understands human life.
09:55Okay.
09:55So he says, look, this is what I want to tell you.
09:57Everybody feels this pain.
09:59And this is the payoff here.
10:03At the end of the letter was a nice postscript.
10:07Great grandfather to son.
10:09Smash those bastards.
10:15Sounds like Larry Johnson wrote the postscript.
10:18And here's Pucci's final remark.
10:22I took this letter, and I was an adult, okay?
10:24I had 20 years of intelligence experience, and I didn't expect to learn anything new.
10:31But when I took this letter and began to read it, I suddenly looked at those past events in a different way.
10:38I suddenly felt the fabric of those events.
10:43I changed.
10:45This must be passed on.
10:47So what they're trying to do is remind people what war is like.
10:51They know that the Americans don't really know what war is like because they have two great oceans between major powers.
10:59But they don't ridicule that.
11:01They say, this is what it was like for us.
11:03We're grateful for your help, and let's carry on now.
11:06I thought it was a magnificent speech for what it lacked, and what it lacked was a lot of acidity or a lot of criticism of this terrible stuff going on in the West.
11:17It's not only a magnificent speech.
11:19You've given a magnificent summary, and I'm sure these are memories you will not soon forget.
11:25Larry, Donald Trump was invited to attend.
11:29He could have attended.
11:31It would have been another Yalta.
11:33He could have stayed for a week and negotiated with Xi and Putin.
11:39Instead, Xi and Putin negotiated the following.
11:42Here's – it's rather brief.
11:43I'm going to read it.
11:45It's the Russian Foreign Ministry summary of what Xi and Putin agreed to.
11:50Relations between Russia and China have reached their highest level in history.
11:55Large Chinese manufacturers of microelectronics, automobiles, and household appliances will increase their presence in the Russian market.
12:04Russia and China have built a reliable system of mutual trade protected from the current global chaotic situation.
12:12Almost all foreign trade transactions between Moscow and Beijing are being carried out in national currencies.
12:21P.S. We don't need SWIFT, and we don't need the dollar.
12:24President Putin announced plans to significantly increase bilateral trade between Russia and China by 2030.
12:33Russia and China suffered the greatest losses in World War II.
12:37Too bad Trump wasn't there, Larry.
12:41Well, you know, there's a lot that Trump didn't do that he could have done.
12:45He could have sent J.D. Vance.
12:47He could have sent Pete Hegseth.
12:49He could have sent some U.S. official U.S. representative to say, hey, we care.
12:54Trump is really, he's a fraud in this regard because he's pretending like he really cares about commemorating the date.
13:03Well, the actual date of the surrender was 8 May as far as the United States and Europe was concerned because the surrender went into effect at 2300 hours and one minute in Central European time.
13:21Well, in Russia, that same hour means it's one minute past midnight.
13:28That's why Russia celebrates it on 9 May.
13:31The rest of Europe celebrates it on 8 May.
13:33So what did Donald Trump do on the 8th of May?
13:36Did he hold a ceremony at Arlington Cemetery to commemorate those who died in the Battle of Europe?
13:42Nope.
13:43Did he go and hold a ceremony at the World War II Memorial?
13:48Nope.
13:48Well, you just, you know, so like I said, he is, he's playing with this.
13:54He's not serious about it because if he was actually serious and cared, he would have done something like that.
14:02Instead, petty and juvenile and deliberately staying away from what was a magnificent parade.
14:11I stayed up to watch it, Ray.
14:13But May 8th, 1945, in the United States of America, 80 years ago yesterday, was one of the greatest and most jubilant days in American history.
14:28We all saw those pictures of people going crazy on Times Square.
14:33I was there.
14:35You were there.
14:36God bless you.
14:36I wasn't born yet.
14:38Larry, I don't think you were born yet either.
14:40But Trump and his people should have commemorated it.
14:45Why didn't they?
14:46Because it would have drawn attention to May 9th in Moscow?
14:51No idea.
14:52I mean, it's just safer to avoid it because, you know, the alternative facts just have a very short, short life.
15:00And having already said, we want it all by ourselves, you know, ridiculous enough, I think they decided to cease and desist.
15:07You know, one thing, Judge, the tectonic shift in relations now.
15:12There used to be this triangle, right?
15:14U.S., Russia, and China.
15:16It was manifest at that celebration.
15:19I think Trump could have got himself invited there if he made the right concessions.
15:25But he wasn't able to do that or didn't want to do that.
15:27But here you had Russia and China.
15:31Their trade, I used to watch Russia, Soviet, Sino-Soviet trade.
15:36In 1964, it was $200 million, okay?
15:43This year, it's $250 billion.
15:48You do the math.
15:49That's a kind of good symptom of where this has gone.
15:53And it's not going to stop unless Trump and other people sort of wise up and say, look, the world has really changed.
16:00We are on the short end of this triangular stick, so to speak.
16:04And we have to guide ourselves accordingly, not as though we could be hegemons forever.
16:10Two days ago, the Trump administration dispatched General Kellogg to go on to Fox News and claim the Russians are not winning the war.
16:23This will aggravate the daylights out of the two of you, but I have to play it.
16:26It's only 38 seconds.
16:28Chris, cut number 16.
16:29Better go back and read The Art of the Deal, you know, when he said to be willing to walk away from a bad situation.
16:33And I think he's just telling both sides that.
16:36But the ones who are going to be hurt by that are not the Ukrainians.
16:38It's going to be the Russians, because the Russians are not winning this war.
16:41If they were winning the war, they'd be on the western side of the Dnieper River.
16:44They're not.
16:44If they were winning this war, they'd be in Kiev.
16:46They're not.
16:47They'd be in Odessa, and they're not.
16:48They wouldn't have lost combined forces when you talk about industrial strength killing.
16:53The losses are over one million killed and wounded on both sides.
16:58And so when people say he's winning the war, if he just comes to an agreement right now, ceasefire in place,
17:03I think then he said, OK, he's kind of accomplished everything that he may want to, and just step back from that.
17:09Does this general have any idea what he's talking about, Larry Johnson?
17:12Well, I just looked at Roger Stasaris.
17:15Of course, they've added the new synonym for idiot, imbecile, ignorant.
17:23OK?
17:24I mean, this guy's divorced from reality.
17:27And to think that he was a general?
17:29Maybe, well, actually, this explains.
17:32People like Kellogg explains why the United States has not been involved in a military victory against a pure opponent since World War II.
17:42Heavens, we haven't even been able to beat the Taliban.
17:47We weren't able to beat the opposition, the Syrian insurgents.
17:53And in Iraq, I mean, it goes on and on and on.
17:57So what Kellogg is saying right there reflects the part of the problem is once you hold a perception and act on that perception,
18:08it limits your ability to see any alternatives.
18:11It's like getting tunnel vision.
18:13Here's what troubles me, Larry, is that this guy's whispering into the president's ears.
18:18And the president's people, he couldn't go on Fox News without their consent.
18:24The president's people are dispatching him to say this.
18:27Why?
18:29Are the neocons prevailing, Ray McGovern?
18:32Yeah, the ones that tell Kellogg what to say and what to do, they're prevailing on Fox News.
18:38Tulsi Gabbard and others with their heads screwed on correctly are also whispering in Trump's ear.
18:47Now, they are saying, hey, don't buy Kellogg's cornflakes.
18:52They're all soggy and they're all alternative facts.
18:59Okay?
18:59So just realize that.
19:01Now, the interesting thing here is that what Kellogg is saying is what Bill Burns, the head of the CIA,
19:09told President Biden to say in July of 2023, the Russians are not winning.
19:17As a matter of fact, they're losing and their losses have made manifest the ineptitude of the Russian military forces.
19:28Hello?
19:29He said that in an op-ed in the Washington Post.
19:32He had no doubt told Biden.
19:35And Biden said it in Helsinki in a major speech.
19:38So, you know, they're not dealing with reality.
19:41Unfortunately, they're going to have to deal with it.
19:44But fortunately, Putin is not rubbing their face in it.
19:48He's going to attrit, attrit, attrit.
19:50And he's going to go at his own pace.
19:52And in the analysis, Trump has got to make some sort of moves in Putin's direction, or it's going to be just a pig with no lipstick on.
20:02Larry, switching gears, is there evidence that Donald Trump has finally had enough of Benjamin Netanyahu?
20:12Yeah, actually, I think there is.
20:13You know, one, Alistair Crook's wife, Asleen, is reporting it out of the Hebrew press.
20:21So the fact that it's appearing in the Hebrew press and the Hebrew press is a pretty accurate indicator of what's actually being said in Israel.
20:33On top of that, you know, the Israelis are miffed, really upset that Trump cut this deal with the Houthis and didn't consult them.
20:42But then the real tell that there is some truth to the split between Netanyahu and Trump was Mike Huckabee's comment where he basically said, you know, said, we don't have to consult with you, Israel, if we're going to pull out of Yemen.
21:01That's none of your business.
21:02I was like, whoa, there's Mr. Uber Zionist himself telling the Israelis to butt out.
21:09Here's Mr. Uber Zionist himself saying, oh, the United States is going to bring food supplies to Gaza.
21:19It's long, but it's worth watching.
21:21What he says at the end will irritate the daylights out of you and everybody watching.
21:25But what he says in the beginning is 180 degrees from what he said last week.
21:29I guess he got a talking to from the White House.
21:32Cut number 22, Chris.
21:34All of you are aware of the fact that President Trump has made very clear that one of the most urgent things that needs to happen is humanitarian aid into Gaza.
21:43The first is that food be distributed efficiently, but also that it's distributed safely inside Gaza to the people who desperately need it.
21:55The other factor, and this is an important one, that all of this be done in a way so that Hamas is not able to get their hands on it.
22:02Because they'd rather take any supplies that go into Gaza and use it for their own nefarious purposes rather than to see children and other people fed.
22:13There have been some news reports that are wholly inaccurate that have said that this is an Israeli plan.
22:19I want to say the Israelis are going to be involved in providing necessary military security because it is a war zone.
22:26But they will not be involved in the distribution of the food or even in the bringing of the food into Gaza.
22:34Their role will remain on the perimeter as is necessary to make sure that those who are bringing the food in and who are distributing the food are kept safe and out of harm's way in the midst of a war zone.
22:47The Israelis are supportive.
22:51Any allegation that the Israelis don't care about humanitarian aid is absolutely false.
22:57They care very much about humanitarian aid getting into Gaza.
23:02But they also care very much that Hamas doesn't steal that aid.
23:07But that is a view that is shared by the President and by all of us at the United States because we truly want this to be a humanitarian effort.
23:17Well, the second part was the old Larry, the old Mike Huckabee, the one who justified the use of just two weeks ago, justified the use of food, denial of food as an instrument of war.
23:32The first part, he's just saying what he's been told to say.
23:37But if what he's saying is true, Larry, against the wishes of Prime Minister Netanyahu and the thugs around him, the United States of America is going to bring food to the starving people of Gaza.
23:51Yeah, well, we know over the last year, last two years, almost two years, number one, the Israelis have been murdering aid workers, you know, people providing food relief.
24:04And they've allowed the settlers to attack aid convoys and destroy the food.
24:10So this is actually a pretty sharp rebuke to people like Smotrich, Mezalil Smotrich and Ben-Gavir.
24:19This is this is Trump actually standing up to the most extreme elements of the Zionist crowd, because, you know, I think his friend Steve Witkoff, although a Zionist, is not of that ilk.
24:35And he's not one to indulge or even accept that kind of behavior.
24:40So this, you know, I hope I hope he pulls this off, because, you know, part of it, I think part of the motivation is he's he's headed to Saudi Arabia and to visit some of the other Gulf Arabs.
24:50And I'm sure that they've sent the message that if you want to come here and be welcomed, you better get some aid into the Palestinians.
24:57Otherwise, forget about it.
25:00Israeli Army Radio.
25:01This is from Alistair Crook's wife.
25:04Sources close to Trump informed Ron Dermer.
25:07We all know who that is, that the U.S. president has decided to cut off contact with Netanyahu because Netanyahu is manipulating the U.S. president.
25:18Those close to Trump informed Dermer that Trump hates nothing more than to appear like someone is manipulating him.
25:28So, Ray McGovern, Trump's ego versus Netanyahu's deception, which will prevail?
25:41Judge, I don't buy it.
25:43Judge, I don't buy it.
25:44Judge, I don't buy it.
25:44Trump has made deals like this with rhetoric.
25:49At one point, Biden, when he was too too meek and timid to ask Netanyahu to let those damn trucks in, he's all will build a wharf.
26:00We'll build a wharf.
26:01and it worked for about 20 days and it got nothing in there okay so i doubt that this is more than
26:07rhetoric i i don't see it as more than rhetoric i hope that i'm wrong now the gaza genocide
26:16is the moral question of our day when i had a chance to speak to that youth forum the same
26:22one that putin addressed the next day i was talking about about russian grief and american
26:30grief at war but i also showed a picture of april 25th 1949 where russian troops and american troops
26:38met at the elbe river in germany two weeks before the end of the war and we all finished on that
26:44note then i said i'm sorry i have to say something else this is really not very well connected
26:49although i hope that when xi jinping and and president putin get together and major other
26:55forces other other visitors that they can do something about this but the moral question of
27:00our day is stopping the genocide that my government is enabling and i'm sorry about this but i have to
27:07say this and i just hope that the leaders that meet today to figure out some way to stop it because it's
27:14the worst thing that's happened since world war so we ought to mark that and we ought to stop it now
27:19i said that in every major dinner minor dinner and in that major speech i just hope it happens but
27:26it's going to take more more pressure from the likes of us to say look this cannot stand we have to stop
27:32it the uh before i ask you about the hutis larry the jewish news syndicate i'm not sure what that is
27:41their headline is is trump really turning his back on bb and israel don't bet on it
27:49well that that's your theory ray we'll we'll see we'll see where it goes there obviously is some
27:57movement if huckabee made that statement about food getting in larry why uh did we stop bombing and
28:05killing uh civilians in yemen why did we why did the u.s stop apart from the fact that we were going
28:14bankrupt in the process you know having lost uh let's see a grand total of 22 drones uh three fa18
28:22aircraft over the course of uh uh you know 20 months uh it worked out to about a billion dollars
28:32just that alone then when you added the cost of all the sorties now you know this was um
28:38i think we can believe that uh the omanis brokered this agreement between the united states and the
28:45houthis and it was it was this is all tied up as well with trump's trip to the middle east
28:54well the you know i think there was some back and forth where trump was informed you're not going
28:59to be welcomed with saudi arabia in the gulf unless you bring an end to this and the first start is
29:04stop bombing the houthis and so trump dresses it up uh you know that does the marilyn monroe as a pig
29:12routine puts the lipstick on the pig puts on a blonde wig trots it out and said we won they
29:17capitulated the same way that the north vietnamese capitulated on april 30th 1975 uh when the united
29:25states declared victory and left saigon uh trump declared victory and left the red sea well it was you
29:32know the houthis weren't they didn't capitulate and in fact they launched missiles again today
29:38into tel aviv so this uh there's there's something bigger going on here because it's not just isolated
29:46with the houthis this has to do with the broader outlines of potential peace with iran and maintaining
29:55uh decent relations with the gulf arabes uh ray uh mrs uh crook who uh is fluent in hebrew and surveils
30:06all even though she's irish and surveils all the uh hebrew uh press uh reports that trump's people have
30:14said to netanyahu's people the fighting has to stop in gaza before the president goes to the middle east now
30:23he's going to the middle east pretty soon i think in about a week and a half do you believe they
30:27would make a demand of that nature i think it all depends on what what netanyahu would tell the
30:34president that netanyahu is in such terrible straits domestically that unless he has a change of
30:41hort you know uh at a bolt fast say he he's not going to change his mind and i was going to say look
30:46just give me a couple more weeks otherwise he ends up in jail at that you know bridal suite that
30:52he will share with his wife it's that personal and it's that simple uh you know i'm not up on the
30:59latest with respect to yemen but the original cause was the yemenis uh saying look uh you are starving
31:06our our brother palestinians you let the food in or we don't let the ships in how does that stand now
31:14are the yemenis letting ships into the red sea uh headed to israel i just don't know the answer to
31:20that but it seems to me he yeah and judge by the way uh trump's trip to the middle east is uh he
31:28leaves tomorrow i believe oh yeah so he's supposed to be there by monday so i i don't know he leaves
31:35either tomorrow or sunday but then he's not going to israel right no no and in fact hank seth was
31:41originally scheduled to go to israel now he's joining trump on this trip and is not going to israel
31:47so there's there's actually some symbolic messages being sent to netanyahu like you know what you're
31:54not our bff anymore he's not having he's not having a good weekend uh but who knows how uh how this will
32:01end up ray you're coming home and you'll be back with us from your usual perch on monday i'll be i'll be
32:08back uh hopefully bright enough to to be with you and uh i'm counting on it i'm looking forward to oh
32:14matter of fact let me just say this when you all came back from moscow and talked about how many
32:20people approached you at red square and elsewhere and say oh and jerry johnson well it happened to me
32:27too so now i know it's real i mean i didn't doubt you for a second what's happened all over the place
32:33sochi today on red square today in the metropole hotel it's amazing a lot of people are watching you
32:40maybe well lots of people in russia and i can attest for that for that uh personally now having
32:46been approached so maybe they're watching in the west wing and in the state department and learning
32:52lessons they don't want to hear but will take to heart gentlemen thank you very much always a pleasure
32:58safe travels uh ray larry have a great weekend we'll see you both on monday thanks george thank you
33:05and on monday of course at eight in the morning alistair crook at 10 in the morning a sleepy ray
33:13mcgovern at 11 30 as usual back to his regular perch larry johnson and probably one or two of our other
33:21uh guests on monday afternoon thank you for watching judge napolitano for judging freedom
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