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Stephen Miller Defends Hardline Immigration Policies In Press Gaggle With Reporters
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5/9/2025
Stephen Miller holds a press gaggle outside the White House.
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I have a conference call that I need to run to, but since you all are graciously gathered here,
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I'll take a few questions. And I think you also just had like an hour with Caroline,
00:10
so I don't want to step on that too much either. Hold on, there's a question back there first.
00:14
I have two quick questions. First, you know, President Trump has talked about potentially
00:19
suspending via corpus to take care of the illegal immigration problem. When could we see that
00:25
happen, do you think? Well, the Constitution is clear, and that, of course, is the supreme law of
00:30
the land, that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion.
00:36
So to say that's an option we're actively looking at. Look, a lot of it depends on whether the courts
00:41
do the right thing or not. At the end of the day, Congress passed a body of law known as the Immigration
00:47
Nationality Act, which stripped Article III courts, that's the judicial branch of jurisdiction over
00:53
immigration cases. So Congress actually passed, it's called jurisdiction stripping legislation.
00:58
It passed a number of laws that say that the Article III courts aren't even allowed to be involved in
01:03
immigration cases. Many of you probably don't know this. I'll give you a good example.
01:07
Are you familiar with the term temporary protected status, or TPS, right? So by statute, the courts are
01:15
stripped of jurisdiction from overruling a presidential determination or a secretarial determination
01:21
on TPS, when the Secretary of Homeland Security makes that determination. So when Secretary Noem
01:26
terminated TPS for the illegals that Biden flew into the country, when courts stepped in, they were
01:31
violating explicit language that Congress had enacted, saying they have no jurisdiction. So it's
01:37
not just the courts aren't just at war with the executive branch. The courts are at war, these radical
01:42
rogue judges, with the legislative branch as well, too. So all of that will inform the choices the
01:46
president ultimately makes. Yes. Mr. Miller, to further incentivize deportation of illegal aliens,
01:51
is the administration considering going after businesses that knowingly employ illegal aliens?
01:56
Well, they already have. Worksite enforcement, I don't have the exact statistics, but it's at multiple
02:00
hundreds of percent. So the increase in worksite enforcement has been dramatic, it's been immediate,
02:08
and that will continue. Why is President Trump moving to dismiss three Democratic members of the
02:13
Consumer Product Safety Commission? Well, I think Caroline answered this question at the briefing
02:17
today. The president is the head of the executive branch, and it's the president's prerogative to
02:22
ensure that all executive branch employees are the best, the brightest, the most committed to fulfilling
02:28
the agenda that they have, whether it be in their agency or any post in government. Is the president
02:33
going to replace them? Well, again, we'll take a look at the situation, but the important thing is,
02:38
or I will take a look, sorry, I'll take a look at the specifics that you're talking about here,
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but the important thing to understand is that we don't just let people stay in their jobs just because
02:46
they were always there, right? We have to examine the performance of specific employees, whether
02:51
they're doing the best that they can do. I know that in particular, as a parent, there's been lots of
02:55
concerns that I've had, that my family's had about product safety in this country. We can absolutely do
03:00
better, and we will do better, but that requires hiring the best people for the job, and President
03:04
Trump will always hire the best people for the job. Yes. When we talk to the president's voters,
03:08
they bring up a couple issues. One, they spent three months, and they still haven't gotten down
03:12
to the 2020 election. They're concerned about the whole voting situation, and they also want to
03:19
know about what happened to the assassination of them. Those are all great questions. They're really
03:25
concerned. Those are all great questions. The Department of Justice, of course, is working on all three of the
03:29
things that you just mentioned, and hopefully we'll have a further update soon. I can tell you on
03:33
election integrity that the president recently signed an executive order that was the most
03:38
comprehensive election integrity order that was ever issued, and as you may recall, that included in
03:44
a requirement to verify citizenship to vote. Another example where a district court judge lawlessly
03:50
intervened and joined that requirement. Now, think about this. Congress passed a law. Again,
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Congress passed a law making it a crime, a felony for noncitizens to vote, and yet a judge has enjoined
04:03
the executive branch from enforcing and upholding that statutory requirement. So the courts,
04:09
the radical rogue judges, they don't care what Congress said. They don't care about what the
04:13
Constitution says. They're just imposing their own Marxist agenda on the whole country, and that's
04:17
obviously... They want to follow up on journalism. Yeah. So, I mean, again, the Department of Justice
04:21
is investigating all of the issues that you mentioned. I wish I had a full update for you
04:25
now, but I can assure you that our attorney general, our deputy attorney general, our FBI
04:29
director, and now Ed Martin at the Weaponization Working Group will all be, and of course we put up a
04:34
new D.C. attorney, will all be diligently working on ensuring accountability and justice. Yes,
04:39
I have a question. Tom Homan used some colorful language earlier this year to describe how he
04:45
would be demanding accountability from New York City Mayor Eric Adams if he didn't cooperate
04:51
with ICE. Is Eric Adams holding up his end of the bargain thus far? All I would say to that is
04:57
this administration is going to pursue immigration enforcement and cooperation in every city,
05:05
and anyone who doesn't comply with the laws and dictates of this country will face the appropriate
05:11
legal consequences. That applies to Eric Adams, and that applies to every other mayor in this country.
05:16
The law is the law is the law, and if obstruction, if hindering, if harboring occurs, then the full
05:22
range of potential penalties applies to any federal official, sorry, any state official or local
05:27
official that's engaging in obstructionist behavior. But I would also say that when it comes to
05:33
immigration enforcement now that we have achieved the mission of sealing the border, you're going
05:40
to see more and more resources and priorities put into the mass deportation program. And so on a day
05:45
to day basis, you're going to see exponentially larger numbers of illegal aliens being arrested
05:49
and removed from the interior. How serious? Thank you. So can you share with us where the illegal immigrants
05:55
that will be deported to Angola, Rwanda, those African nations are, which condition they are, and
06:01
when are you guys planning to send them back to Africa? Well, we get illegal aliens, or we did get
06:08
illegal aliens during the Biden administration from 150 countries. So ICE sends planes to every country
06:15
in the world. We send planes to Iraq. We send planes to Yemen. We send planes to Haiti. We send planes
06:23
to Angola. I mean, ICE is sending planes all over the world all the time. Anyone who came here illegally,
06:28
we're finding them and we're getting them out. Any other questions? Yes, back there. Yes.
06:33
Thank you, Stephen. So it looks like we're going to see a lot of port workers and truck drivers
06:37
displaced by the tariffs in the coming weeks. Does the administration have any plan for relief
06:42
from those workers, sort of like what you did in the first term when you correct cultural workers
06:46
that's an impact? Well, what I would focus on is the fact that we're actually going to begin enacting,
06:50
as you've seen, a series of historic trade deals. They're going to be opening up the export market
06:55
for American producers, both manufacturers, growers, ranchers as never before. And so what's going to
07:01
begin happening now because of the president's leadership on tariffs is markets that have
07:06
historically been closed. So obviously India, Japan, South Korea, the UK are now going to be open to
07:13
American exports and American production. I would also just note that if you look at the statistics,
07:18
about 90,000 factories in the United States closed since NAFTA was signed, which is an almost
07:24
unimaginable figure. The media never cared about those workers and their factories who were
07:33
destroyed. And we can all visit the towns now. And we know, of course, the heartbreaking stories,
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the fentanyl addiction, the breakup of traditional families, the disintegration of whole communities.
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That was the catastrophe that occurred that President Trump is reversing by finally standing up
07:48
for the American worker. Yes. That's a really exciting news story, isn't it?
08:03
Well, because what's happening in South Africa fits the textbook definition of why the refugee program
08:08
was created. This is persecution based on a protected characteristic, in this case, race.
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So this is race-based persecution. The refugee program is not intended as a solution for global
08:20
poverty. And historically, it has been used that way. Wherever there's global poverty or wherever
08:24
there's dysfunctional governments, then the U.S. refugee program comes in, swoops people up,
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relocates them to America, and you have multi-generational problems. Even into the second and third
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generation, you have endemic poverty, you have crime issues, you have integration issues. The U.S.
08:41
refugee program in America has been a catastrophic failure. I mean, if you look, for example, at the
08:47
Twin Cities area, I mean, just in terms of markers of educational outcomes, in terms of public safety,
08:56
in terms of welfare use, I mean, it's been a complete public policy failure. And so this is an example of
09:03
the president returning the refugee program to what it was intended to be used as.
09:07
What evidence do you have?
09:09
What specific evidence do you have that do?
09:11
So let me just take this one first. Thanks.
09:12
Is the president having a conversation with you about becoming the national security
09:17
advisor at which you accept?
09:18
I'm very thrilled with the job that I currently have. And my focus right now is on supporting
09:24
Secretary Rubio. Marco and I have become very close friends, well, especially over the last 100 days,
09:29
but even before then. And I could not be more excited to work with Marco, who is truly one of
09:34
the all-stars of this government, both in his role as secretary of state and his role as national
09:38
security advisor. And I think the whole country is going to continue to see just how incredible Marco is.
09:42
What specific evidence the United States have that those South Africans have been persecuted?
09:50
Well, it's state policy. There's land expropriation. There's a whole series of government laws and
09:56
policies that specifically target white farmers and the white population in South Africa that's
10:01
well-documented on video. And of course, you even see government leaders chanting racial epithets
10:07
and espousing racial violence. So it's all very well-documented.
10:09
On Ukraine, are you in a position to confirm with a kill or keep alive the reports that you have
10:13
been asking Ukraine, a mortal country, to accept some illegal immigrants and why?
10:17
I've never heard that before.
10:19
Hold on. Yes. Yes.
10:21
The president foreshadowed that he was going to be making a very big announcement yesterday,
10:25
today, maybe Monday. I know you may, you know, you're not going to get ahead of the president.
10:29
Can you give us a hint? No, I'm not going to get ahead of the president. Yes.
10:34
Did you have a question?
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Will you be involved with the meetings with Mayor Adams today? And what do you plan to discuss?
10:40
I'm not involved in those meetings. Do you have a question?
10:42
Yes. So the current governor of California has been extremely rude to President Trump in
10:47
your administration. What is the status of their litigation on the tariff issues and all the
10:51
issues? I don't have an update on that. Sorry. Yes. Yes. Do you have, of the South African refugees,
10:59
how many are coming and when will they arrive? Well, we just have the first flight is scheduled,
11:04
I believe, for early next week. But that's just where in the U.S. Well, I don't have,
11:09
I don't have an exact update for you on that yet. I don't want to confirm any news reports,
11:13
but the, but that's just the beginning of what's going to be a much larger scale relocation effort.
11:20
And so those numbers are going to increase, obviously, as time goes on. It takes a little
11:23
while to set up the systems and processes and procedures to begin a new refugee flow,
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but we expect that the pace will increase. It'll increase at a healthy pace as time goes on.
11:33
Yes, back there. Do you have a number for a company on the first flight?
11:36
Not right now. Yep, back there.
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Yeah, my reaction is, again, there's a judicial coup in this country.
11:52
The foreigners in this country do not have a right to stay in this country if they support
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designated terrorist organizations like Hamas. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.
12:04
The secretary of state has the absolute authority under statute, which again,
12:07
is not judicially reviewable to revoke an immigration benefit or visa and then to pursue
12:13
a deportation of the Department of Homeland Security. We cannot individually litigate in court every
12:17
single visa that we want to revoke. This is a plenary authority of the executive branch. And I would just
12:23
say that look at what it really comes down to is this. The American people voted for President Trump
12:30
in large part to seal the border, deport the illegals, fix their immigration system so it serves
12:36
America's interests and remove the people from this country that we don't want here because they
12:40
threaten our national security, our public safety or our economic security. That is what he was elected to do.
12:46
It's what the Constitution empowers him to do. And this judicial coup by a handful of Marxist judges
12:52
to frustrate that effort can only be understood as an attack on democracy. Thank you.
12:56
Thank you, Mr. Miller.
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