00:00I'm not sure there's any suggestion of that at all. Isn't it just a matter of tactical voting, which is something that's happened particularly between Labour and Liberal Democrat voters for a long time?
00:07That's just how the voting system works in First Past the Post, isn't it?
00:13Well, look, I just think that, you know, there needs to be a bit of honesty about it.
00:17You know, Robert Jenner made these comments that seem to be a lot more than just about tactical voting.
00:24It was talking about an electoral pact of coalition of some kind. That's very different just for tactical voting, for example.
00:33How do you explain away what's happened? I mean, you can't blame it all on the Conservatives or on Mike Amesbury, the former Labour MP for Ron Collins-Helsby, can you?
00:42Because even where you've won mayoral elections, you've lost so much support and it's ended up being a pretty tight race.
00:54What that seems to indicate is, surely, that the government is not addressing a lot of the issues that ordinary people up and down the country have got concerns about.
01:04When we were elected to government last July, we were elected on a platform of change.
01:12And I recognise that people are impatient for change. I'm impatient for that change. The government's impatient for that change.
01:20Since coming into government, we have started to deliver on our plan for change.
01:25It takes time. You know, NHS waiting lists are down six months in a row, but there are still too many people on waiting lists.
01:33Take Runcorn, for example. Just last month, we delivered four new free breakfast clubs in primary schools.
01:42We want to go further and faster. We want every primary school in Runcorn to have a free breakfast club.
01:49Just last month, our increase in the national minimum wage means that 3.5 million low-paid workers are getting a pay rise.
01:56But, you know, it will take a while for people to feel the effects of those things.
01:59So, look, change takes time. We know we need to go further and faster.
02:03And we know that people are impatient for that change. But we're getting on. We're delivering on our plan for change.
02:08One of the key election issues at the last election and also in last night's vote seems to be immigration.
02:13People clearly gave up on the Conservatives in terms of sorting that problem out.
02:18Do you not think they've also now given up on Labour with the promises to smash the gangs, the removal of the Rwanda scheme,
02:23no intention at all to reform the ECHR?
02:26Well, the Conservatives' Rwanda gimmick cost £700 million of taxpayers' money and resulted in only four volunteers going to Rwanda.
02:40Instead, we are getting on with going after the criminal gangs, giving the police anti-terrorism powers to go after those gangs.
02:49So, smashing the gangs. But also, one of the things that happened under the Conservatives' government was a complete collapse in returns.
02:56You list all that. Sounds great. What impact is it having? We're having more illegal immigrants than ever before.
03:04Well, one of the things that we've done is sped up returns.
03:0724,000 people have been, with no right to stay here, have been removed since the general election, far more than happened under the previous Conservative government.
03:18We said in our manifesto that we would close the asylum hotels.
03:22We've already announced the closure of some hotels.
03:24But again, we know we need to go further and faster on this.
03:27But that's why we've set up our new border security command.
03:32It's why we've sped up asylum processing.
03:34It's why we've sped up returns.
03:36I think that's really important, rather than the Rwanda gimmick that the previous government introduced that saw only four volunteers go to Rwanda.
03:44I don't think that's much of a deterrent.
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