00:00Lobby, does that sound better?
00:02Are holding protests across the country this afternoon
00:04just days after the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of a woman.
00:09Trans rights groups, trade unions and community organisations
00:13are coming together for an emergency demonstration in Parliament Square
00:17and GB News has been speaking to people at the event.
00:21New legislations saying that trans women aren't women are diabolical,
00:25so I'm just here to basically say that we're not going to take that.
00:30We're here for the dolls.
00:31Sorry, what are the dolls? I keep hearing that. What are the dolls?
00:34It's like beautiful girls.
00:35Beautiful girls.
00:36And they're stunning and they need to be protected.
00:40I have no words.
00:42Joining me now is transgender teacher and journalist Debbie Hayton.
00:47Debbie, thank you very much for joining me.
00:49Debbie, you always talk so much sense on this incredibly poisonous issue.
00:54What do you make of these emergency rallies by the transgender community?
01:00What do they want? What do they hope to achieve with this?
01:04Well, it's ridiculous, but it's also dangerous.
01:06It's ridiculous because there were no rights which were lost on Wednesday.
01:10The court repeated the fact that gender reassignment remains a protected characteristic
01:16and we're all protected against harassment, discrimination and the rest.
01:19So there is no need for any protest, no need for any demonstrations.
01:24But also, it's dangerous as well.
01:26There are vulnerable people that have been caught up in this, some young vulnerable people
01:30who are being told that they're going to be genocided, that society hates them.
01:35To be honest, I don't think society really cares.
01:37We'd just rather we got on with our own business and got on with our work.
01:40But this is what many, many of our viewers are saying, Debbie.
01:43It's like, you know, we have had trans people in our lives for a very long time.
01:49This debate only became so toxic when it was hijacked by very, very vocal activists who,
01:57as you say, are putting not just women's lives at risk, but also trans people's lives at risk now.
02:03Yes, and to go back to the statement which your outside broadcast picked up,
02:09you know, trans women are not women.
02:11Women are female, trans women are male, and the two groups are different.
02:14But what does it really matter?
02:16If we base our lives on the truth, we don't need to be frightened.
02:19We don't need to be scared.
02:20And the people who are demonstrating today just seem to be whipping up this hysteria.
02:24And as I said, it's unhelpful, but it's also dangerous.
02:28Debbie, and as you can see from the pictures we're showing you now,
02:31live pictures, there are people there wearing masks.
02:33Why are you wearing a mask?
02:35There's no reason to hide your identity, if you're the reason.
02:38Debbie, I just wanted to ask you about, we interviewed Peter Tatchell earlier on.
02:41He was saying, well, this doesn't really change anything,
02:43because women have always had the right to say,
02:46we do not want trans people in our single-sex spaces.
02:50And I didn't have time, unfortunately, to say to him,
02:52well, yeah, women may have had that right,
02:54but they were too damn scared to articulate it for fear of losing their jobs
02:59and potentially, you know, many, many women, J.K. Rowling included,
03:02had death threats and rape threats and all sorts of horrors.
03:05Simply for complaining, we have two cases going through courts now
03:09where women are saying, well, I don't want a man in my changing room.
03:14Well, yes, it does make a difference, because, as you say,
03:17women have always had the right to throw out a male person from their spaces,
03:22but did they have the confidence to do that
03:25if they felt that the law would be against them?
03:27Now we all know that the law is on their side in these situations.
03:31Women can have the confidence to take action in those situations,
03:36and perhaps that's all that's needed to restore sanity to what's going on.
03:40But that's not what the lobby, which has been protesting today, want to hear.
03:46They basically want to hear the law tell them they can do exactly as they please
03:51and nobody else can do anything about it.
03:53That's why they're upset.
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