00:00And Cathy, it's incredible that it takes a Supreme Court to make a prime minister,
00:06make his mind up about something which a toddler can tell is true.
00:09Nevertheless, there we are.
00:11Do you, however, have any faith?
00:14OK, the holly route today, the SNP have said they will also accept this.
00:18But we're learning as well that 28 NHS trusts across London are simply ignoring the rules.
00:24There's even a rebellion, it appears, from within the Labour Party on this.
00:27Do you have faith that despite the fact this is legally now precedented and set in cement,
00:31that people are just going to try and ignore it, that trans extremists will carry on regardless?
00:36Well, women who have been, you know, involved in this for at least the last decade
00:42will know how awful, how nasty, how toxic this has been.
00:46And it's come from one direction only.
00:49It's come towards the women who have dared assert their rights and stand up for their sex-based rights in law.
00:55It's been horrific.
00:56You know, J.K. Rowling said she could have papered her house with the rape and death threats she's received.
01:03You know, many women, and you're not just myself, but many women have attended sort of meetings
01:07and various different events where we've had to sort of run the gauntlet of, you know,
01:14horrendous banners outside sort of calling for our death and destruction, to be quite frank,
01:19chanting, you know, saying some extraordinarily offensive things about us, wishing violence upon us.
01:25You know, we've seen this in the rallies at the weekend as well, haven't we, really,
01:29with those awful threats being issued.
01:32And we've, you know, we've sat in meetings where there have been baying mobs outside,
01:36banging on the windows and trying to get in.
01:39You know, I've been in many of those meetings myself.
01:41So the bravery of the women who brought this action before the Supreme Court for Women's Scotland can't be, you know, overstated, really,
01:52as is the case for all the women's groups involved in this, including the Women's Rights Network that I represent.
01:58And to go back to sort of one of your questions there, Martin, you know, when you touched upon the NHS trusts,
02:04you know, women have been put, vulnerable women have been put in hospital wards
02:08that have purportedly been single-sex hospital wards, and there have been men in them.
02:13You know, I'm a retired police officer.
02:15I've been fighting a long fight with the police service nationally, who've been determined to bring in opposite-sex,
02:23strip and intimate searching, and have sort of signed off on policies to do that.
02:28It's quite extraordinary, given, you know, all that they say about being dedicated to dealing with violence against women and girls.
02:35So we shouldn't underestimate how much huge organisations have been prepared to sell off women's rights and go along with this.
02:44It's going to take a long time to pull all those policies out.
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